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Hi,

It sounds like you are almost due; congratulations! That is very exciting.

I'm thinking that the Dr. probably does want to keep track of your weight, but maybe you can just weigh the minimum number of times because the scale numbers are just so incredibly unreliable anyway. I'm reading "Intuitive Eating" and it really struck me that something like a couple cups of water could weigh a pound! That's not fat, but if I weighed myself and gained a couple pounds I'd get upset for no reason because it's water. So maybe the scale could be used only as required in light of your pregnancy.

I think it wound be really helpful for you to really immerse yourself in re-reading Intuitive Eating if you feel tempted to lose weight after the baby comes. It would be so nice to really celebrate all the wonderful things about having a baby, and not even worry a bit about weight; maybe you could take the approach of trusting your body to come back to a natural weight; women have been having babies for way, way longer than we've been obsessed with our weight, after all!! After you have the baby, I'm sure if you follow intuitive eating, you will come back to a good natural weight.

The thing is, I don't think any of us really can go by society's standards of what we should weigh or look like; that's because society's standard is a very, very narrow, and very, very unhealthy one that doesn't take into account genetics, or that a woman IS SUPPOSED TO have a little more fat than a man to begin with!

I hope you relax and enjoy your wonderful, new baby when he/she arrives.

Good luck,

Laurie

Subject: just a little updateTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 10:44 PM

I just wanted to let you all know that I'm a bit confused about my eating at the moment and that's mainly why I haven't posted much at all... I'm 33 weeks pregnant right now and don't feel like I can do much about eating... besides trying to be balanced and stop when I'm full.

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Hi Agnieszka,

One thing I've found helpful when feeling out of control with eating is to take an additive, not a subtractive, approach.

Instead of trying to subtract "bad" foods -- sugar, pizza, whatever it might be -- I just try to add something healthy -- a bowl of oatmeal in the morning, or a piece of fruit, or whatever. It doesn't stop the bingeing, but healthy food actually makes me feel better.

Harry

-----Original Message-----From: IntuitiveEating_Support [mailto:IntuitiveEating_Support ] On Behalf Of AgnieszkaSent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:45 PMTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Subject: just a little update

I just wanted to let you all know that I'm a bit confused about my eating at the moment and that's mainly why I haven't posted much at all... I'm 33 weeks pregnant right now and don't feel like I can do much about eating... besides trying to be balanced and stop when I'm full. But I struggle with both. And I'm all stressed because of the stupid number on the scale... Anyway, I suppose I'm just feeling discouraged and worried what I'm going to do when baby comes... will I be able to resist the temptation to start "working on weight loss"?? It's so so so strong...Anyway, thanks for listening.Agnieszka

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Thanks Lori, it's true. I really do want to just enjoy my new babe and not

worry about weight... It's so damn hard, though. I'm at 300 lbs (5'10 " tall)

and feel oppressed by all this heaviness. It's just such an awful catch 22...

on the one hand, I want to relax and enjoy my baby, and then I'm also worrying

about my weight... I want to trust that my body will find a way back to its

natural weight but at the same time, I've found that over the past few years

(with having three babies and being on medicine that makes weight gain so so so

easy) I've only been gaining...

I will reread Intuitive Eating. Absolutely. And I'm going to tell my doctor

that we can monitor my weight, yes, but please, let's not talk about how I'm

doing this or that wrong... it doesn't help. I'm 8 months along, tired as hell,

have insomnia and I'd like to enjoy this pregnancy as much as possible without

beating myself up because I gained one pound more than I " should " have

(seriously...).

Agnieszka

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> Subject: just a little update

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> Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 10:44 PM

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> I just wanted to let you all know that I'm a bit confused about my eating at

the moment and that's mainly why I haven't posted much at all... I'm 33 weeks

pregnant right now and don't feel like I can do much about eating... besides

trying to be balanced and stop when I'm full.

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Thanks, Harry,

I've been including healthy foods on a daily basis... and it's been good... in

fact, my diet has been good, I haven't felt the desire to binge in a few

weeks... I'm just obsessing about my weight. It was the visit with the

pregnancy doc that triggered it for me. I gained two pound per week instead of

one and the doc was not impressed with me. And I still feel shitty about it...

Agnieszka

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> Hi Agnieszka,

> One thing I've found helpful when feeling out of control with eating is to

> take an additive, not a subtractive, approach.

> Instead of trying to subtract " bad " foods -- sugar, pizza, whatever it might

> be -- I just try to add something healthy -- a bowl of oatmeal in the

> morning, or a piece of fruit, or whatever. It doesn't stop the bingeing, but

> healthy food actually makes me feel better.

> Harry

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> just a little update

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> I just wanted to let you all know that I'm a bit confused about my eating at

> the moment and that's mainly why I haven't posted much at all... I'm 33

> weeks pregnant right now and don't feel like I can do much about eating...

> besides trying to be balanced and stop when I'm full. But I struggle with

> both. And I'm all stressed because of the stupid number on the scale...

> Anyway, I suppose I'm just feeling discouraged and worried what I'm going to

> do when baby comes... will I be able to resist the temptation to start

> " working on weight loss " ?? It's so so so strong...

>

> Anyway, thanks for listening.

>

> Agnieszka

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harry, that is a superb idea. instead of taking away, add more healthy stuff.

yup. that definitely would work.

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> Hi Agnieszka,

> One thing I've found helpful when feeling out of control with eating is to

> take an additive, not a subtractive, approach.

> Instead of trying to subtract " bad " foods -- sugar, pizza, whatever it might

> be -- I just try to add something healthy -- a bowl of oatmeal in the

> morning, or a piece of fruit, or whatever. It doesn't stop the bingeing, but

> healthy food actually makes me feel better.

> Harry

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Hi Agnieszka,

It sounds like the Dr. is not being a bit helpful. I don't think he can take the scale so seriously; what if that extra pound was just water weight? It sounds like you're eating healthily and it's fantastic that you haven't binged in a long while. I think the Dr. aught to be congratulating you on how well you are doing!!!

Laurie

Subject: Re: just a little updateTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 1:11 PM

Thanks Lori, it's true. I really do want to just enjoy my new babe and not worry about weight... It's so damn hard, though.

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Agnieszka, I just want to say that I know exactly how you feel. I gained a lot

of body weight with my last pregnancy while doing IE. I actually thought I

looked great, I couldn't really see the weight gain at all, but everyone around

me was very critical and rude about it. They just couldn't stand it that I was

okay with it. Eventually what brought me spiraling down was 6 weeks after my

pregnancy, I saw the scale for the first time. I had no idea how much I'd

gained until that moment. Is there any way you could make sure your care

providers don't tell you the weight?

Also, try to be kind to yourself. Journal, or do pregnancy art, or do your

nails, or get a special hairdo, buy new makeup, get clothes that are beautiful

and non-restrictive. I did evening visualizations in which I imagined that I

loved myself just the way I was---clothed and naked. Fake it til you make it,

if you have to. You are a beautiful woman, glowing with a new life blossoming

inside you. You're performing a miracle, and you should be considered a

goddess, a venus. Even if our current society can't see past their blinders,

you can choose to. Try to create a world in your mind in which you are a

furtile, robust, substantial goddess.

Best Wishes,

Sara

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> I just wanted to let you all know that I'm a bit confused about my eating at

the moment and that's mainly why I haven't posted much at all... I'm 33 weeks

pregnant right now and don't feel like I can do much about eating... besides

trying to be balanced and stop when I'm full. But I struggle with both. And

I'm all stressed because of the stupid number on the scale... Anyway, I suppose

I'm just feeling discouraged and worried what I'm going to do when baby comes...

will I be able to resist the temptation to start " working on weight loss " ??

It's so so so strong...

>

> Anyway, thanks for listening.

>

> Agnieszka

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For me, it's very important, (and very hard), to remove those labels of " good "

and " bad " or " healthy " / " unhealthy " from all foods. If I remove those labels, I

start naturally craving foods with higher nutrients. If I think in terms of

those labels, I always want the " bad " , " unhealthy " foods.

Sara

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> Hi Agnieszka,

> One thing I've found helpful when feeling out of control with eating is to

> take an additive, not a subtractive, approach.

> Instead of trying to subtract " bad " foods -- sugar, pizza, whatever it might

> be -- I just try to add something healthy -- a bowl of oatmeal in the

> morning, or a piece of fruit, or whatever. It doesn't stop the bingeing, but

> healthy food actually makes me feel better.

> Harry

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> just a little update

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>

> I just wanted to let you all know that I'm a bit confused about my eating at

> the moment and that's mainly why I haven't posted much at all... I'm 33

> weeks pregnant right now and don't feel like I can do much about eating...

> besides trying to be balanced and stop when I'm full. But I struggle with

> both. And I'm all stressed because of the stupid number on the scale...

> Anyway, I suppose I'm just feeling discouraged and worried what I'm going to

> do when baby comes... will I be able to resist the temptation to start

> " working on weight loss " ?? It's so so so strong...

>

> Anyway, thanks for listening.

>

> Agnieszka

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Hi Sara,

I am very happy to meet you and I love that you don't view foods as "good" and "bad" anymore. I agree it's hard to maintain this equal view of foods, but I also find it vital for my healing. If I don't view them as equal, I'll choose the "less allowed" foods too much as a rebellion for the slight restriction I've put on them.

Laurie

Subject: Re: just a little updateTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 2:22 PM

For me, it's very important, (and very hard), to remove those labels of "good" and "bad" or "healthy"/"unhealth y" from all foods.

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Laurie & Sara,

I do the same thing with foods. There

is a real REBEL inside of me who wants to be BAD.

I think I’m rebelling against all those years my mom told me I look fat in

sweats...and I shouldn’t eat this or that.

And watching her constantly diet and

hate her own body.

Jolene

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For me, it's very important, (and very hard), to

remove those labels of " good " and " bad " or " healthy " / " unhealth

y " from all foods.

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Jolene, I also had a very critical mother. I guess if I had to dig deep enough,

all my diet self-abuse comes back to trying to change into someone worth love

and acceptance from my mom earlier in life, and love and acceptance from me now.

That's why losing weight is so ultimately unsatisfying. I'm finally realizing

that loving myself isn't something I can chase with changing my body.

Very nice to meet you too!

Sara

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> For me, it's very important, (and very hard), to remove those labels of

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I guess I can put myself in the critical mother club.From the time I was three years old my mom couldn't accept me like I was. She still tells me the story of the DR. putting me on a diet at birth.The last time I went to visit her she ask me if I was pregnant.My husband bought me another plane ticket and I flew home the next day. I was suppose to stay for a week and she had not seen me in over a year. We haven't talked since, and I feel guilty about that.I'm really trying hard to be ok with myself,and i'm afraid if I talk to her I will undo every thing i have worked so hard at.I would never in a million years do that to my daughter.I just can't understand it. Thanks for listening, JudyTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Fri, November 27, 2009 4:37:47 PMSubject: Re: just a little update

Jolene, I also had a very critical mother. I guess if I had to dig deep enough, all my diet self-abuse comes back to trying to change into someone worth love and acceptance from my mom earlier in life, and love and acceptance from me now. That's why losing weight is so ultimately unsatisfying. I'm finally realizing that loving myself isn't something I can chase with changing my body.

Very nice to meet you too!

Sara

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> Subject: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: just a little update

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> Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 2:22 PM

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> For me, it's very important, (and very hard), to remove those labels of

> "good" and "bad" or "healthy"/"unhealth y" from all foods.

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Judy,

My mom did the same thing. Dr. told her

to put me on a diet when I was just an infant. Crazy!

When I was in 6th grade, my

weight was getting close to 100 pounds and my parents tried to PAY me to lose

weight. They offered me $1 a pound (each) so it would have been $2 a pound.

Gee, with support like that (your

parents basically telling you you’re

fat) it’s amazing I didn’t lose weight!

CrAzY!!!!

My mom would literally tell me, “You look fat in those sweats. Sweats add 20 pounds to your body.

Go change clothes.”

She was constantly on a diet. Once she

took me to her Weight Watchers meeting with her (when I was a child).

(Sigh.)

Jolene

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It's hard to think our own mothers would put us though that. It took 6 hospital

stays me becoming anexoria and bulimic a ton of therepy and group therepy to

realize my mom will never change. She thought it was funny when I confronted her

with some of the issues I had with her. Of course it was me overreacting again

to get attention.It's very hard to be forgiving. It's hard for me to not

communicate with her because she is getting older. She tells everyone what a

rotten daughter she has. It's my understanding she cut me out of her will which

is a good sum of money. I guess it all goes to my brother who doesen't talk to

me either.She is and has always been very partial to my brother because he is a

successful professor and has written books blah blah blah herd it all my life.

She can give it all to him because you can't buy love. And thats the only way

she knows how to show it.

Thanks for listening, i'm not in very good place tonight. Better

day tomorrow have a good night everyone and thanks for being there.

Judy

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Hi Sara,

Gosh, your post almost made me cry... I do love myself as I am (naked AND

clothed) but I keep doing this one painful thing where I imagine just how

disgusted other people (mostly, my parents, really... and probably men in

general - except for my husband) would be/ and sometimes are to see me. In

fact, last Christmas, my dad did look at me with disgust and told me that he

can't believe I've " let myself get like this " whatever the hell that means... I

have a very loving and tender husband who has helped me heal much of this pain,

but it's still there...

And it's out of that same twisted perspective (of imagining that other people

would find by body disgusting) that I get panicked about my weight. I gained

the most during my second pregnancy (this is my third now) - I was living under

very stressful circumstances and essentially used food to help me cope. I

forgave myself for that, it was the best I knew how to cope with very difficult

situation (I was living with my parents)... With this pregnancy, I have been

mostly gentle with myself around eating, but it's been hard anyway. My mom

keeps asking me how my weight is, making sure I'm not gaining too much or

whatever... And my doctor, who has been very supportive, is definitely keeping

an eye on the numbers and every single time she mentions that I've gained more

than whatever is expected, it's like that same shame gets triggered every time.

But, when I'm alone and with my husband, I'm really at peace and happy to be who

I am. I love and cherish my body! It just breaks my heart that this stupid

society can't see me as I am...

And when I start looking at myself through the eyes of people like my dad and my

mom, I think, I HAVE to lose weight if I ever want to be happy...

I guess I just keep going back and forth. But essentially, I'm still hanging on

to the fantasy that one day I'll be the slim desirable woman that the whole

freaking world wants me to be... God, I know it's crazy... always waiting to

be something I'm not before I can be truly happy... so crazy... especially when

I'm healthy and have a loving and healthy relationship with my soulmate, have

two healthy beautiful children and a third on the way...

What can I say, I've been conditioned. I just pray that in time I will grow to

love myself more and more, until I respect myself enough to finally turn my back

on the voices that tell me to be someone I'm not.

Agnieszka

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> > I just wanted to let you all know that I'm a bit confused about my eating at

the moment and that's mainly why I haven't posted much at all... I'm 33 weeks

pregnant right now and don't feel like I can do much about eating... besides

trying to be balanced and stop when I'm full. But I struggle with both. And

I'm all stressed because of the stupid number on the scale... Anyway, I suppose

I'm just feeling discouraged and worried what I'm going to do when baby comes...

will I be able to resist the temptation to start " working on weight loss " ??

It's so so so strong...

> >

> > Anyway, thanks for listening.

> >

> > Agnieszka

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Agnieszka, I can so relate to what you're saying, except my husband has also

been very unsupportive. He's a lot better now, but not fully supportive by any

measure. Please do give your dear husband an extra big kiss for people like me!

Just knowing those guys are out there helps my mind out! I actually don't have

much support at all, except this group, God bless you guys!

Going near my family is actually my biggest weak point, too. I can just feel

their judgment, too. I went to a family reunion over a year ago, and I decided

to walk around with extreme confidence. I wasn't going to stay sitting. I was

going to walk around with energy and confidence. I decided to feel curvy and

beautiful, and to imagine that anyone there who thought differently had lost

their minds. I too have a tendency to always judge myself through the eyes of

whoever's around. I have to really focus to help myself see myself through my

own kind, loving eyes. It really helps me a lot.

Plus, I think it's really important to develop boundaries with people. A couple

years ago, my mom would make cutting " jokey " comments like, " do you need to get

your fat butt through here " , in front of other people no less. I talked to her

on the phone, and let her know that she was not allowed to insult my body in any

way, anymore. Now she doesn't say anything at all about how I look. She

compliments my sisters all the time, but never compliments me. It's really

quite hurtful. But I have to come to terms the fact that these are her

weaknesses, not mine. It's very sad to come to terms with the fact that in many

ways, my family is just toxic. It's sad to know I'll never have the loving

family that every human being deserves. I have to keep my guard up around them

all the time.

I've told my husband that I see myself as beautiful and sexy, and that's that.

He can either get on board with that or not, it's his choice.

I use lots of mental tricks and visualizations to help me. I imagine real hard

that everyone around me sees me as super hot, and is very jealous, things like

that. It sounds like faking, and it feels that way initially, but you really

come to see yourself this way, and you start thinking other people are just

crazy. I still struggle a lot with self-esteem, but I'm getting much better all

the time. I'm really happy that most of the time you are very happy with

yourself as well.

Good luck,

Sara

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> Hi Sara,

> Gosh, your post almost made me cry... I do love myself as I am (naked AND

clothed) but I keep doing this one painful thing where I imagine just how

disgusted other people (mostly, my parents, really... and probably men in

general - except for my husband) would be/ and sometimes are to see me.

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Hi Sara,

I really identified when you said "It's sad to know I'll never have the loving family that every human being deserves. I have to keep my guard up around them all the time." That's my experience with my family too. It is sad, but I believe it's a step toward health and self-acceptance to recognize it.

Right now I'm working on being my own parents, giving myself the mothering and fathering I deserve.

I love your ideas, too, about the self-talk about being sexy and hot. I'm going to try that.

Harry

-----Original Message-----From: IntuitiveEating_Support [mailto:IntuitiveEating_Support ] On Behalf Of reflectionmommySent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 10:54 AMTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Subject: Re: just a little update

Agnieszka, I can so relate to what you're saying, except my husband has also been very unsupportive. He's a lot better now, but not fully supportive by any measure. Please do give your dear husband an extra big kiss for people like me! Just knowing those guys are out there helps my mind out! I actually don't have much support at all, except this group, God bless you guys!Going near my family is actually my biggest weak point, too. I can just feel their judgment, too. I went to a family reunion over a year ago, and I decided to walk around with extreme confidence. I wasn't going to stay sitting. I was going to walk around with energy and confidence. I decided to feel curvy and beautiful, and to imagine that anyone there who thought differently had lost their minds. I too have a tendency to always judge myself through the eyes of whoever's around. I have to really focus to help myself see myself through my own kind, loving eyes. It really helps me a lot. Plus, I think it's really important to develop boundaries with people. A couple years ago, my mom would make cutting "jokey" comments like, "do you need to get your fat butt through here", in front of other people no less. I talked to her on the phone, and let her know that she was not allowed to insult my body in any way, anymore. Now she doesn't say anything at all about how I look. She compliments my sisters all the time, but never compliments me. It's really quite hurtful. But I have to come to terms the fact that these are her weaknesses, not mine. It's very sad to come to terms with the fact that in many ways, my family is just toxic. It's sad to know I'll never have the loving family that every human being deserves. I have to keep my guard up around them all the time. I've told my husband that I see myself as beautiful and sexy, and that's that. He can either get on board with that or not, it's his choice. I use lots of mental tricks and visualizations to help me. I imagine real hard that everyone around me sees me as super hot, and is very jealous, things like that. It sounds like faking, and it feels that way initially, but you really come to see yourself this way, and you start thinking other people are just crazy. I still struggle a lot with self-esteem, but I'm getting much better all the time. I'm really happy that most of the time you are very happy with yourself as well. Good luck,Sara >> > Hi Sara, > Gosh, your post almost made me cry... I do love myself as I am (naked AND clothed) but I keep doing this one painful thing where I imagine just how disgusted other people (mostly, my parents, really... and probably men in general - except for my husband) would be/ and sometimes are to see me.

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Hi Sara,

I've been listening to a podcast of Elyse Resch talk about allowing ourselves whatever we want unconditionally because it's been studied and well-proven that any level of restriction will lead to cravings and overeating/binging. She reiterated that peach pie needs to be equal to a peach. I am enjoying the book also.

Laurie

Subject: RE: Re: just a little updateTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 3:42 PM

Laurie & Sara,

I do the same thing with foods. There is a real REBEL inside of me who wants to be BAD.

I think I’m rebelling against all those years my mom told me I look fat in sweats...and I shouldn’t eat this or that.

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