Re: Multiple sclerosis from Dr. Joe Mercola

[Guest guest]

Forgive my snottiness but...

I have this sense that given time Mercola could find a mercury connection

for every disease under the sun. And his ability to draw conclusions on the

basis of one or two studies is always so interesting - quite a talent.

Surprising in this case that he doesn't take the time to hawk one of his

life-affirming supplements to followup his conclusions. Maybe I should

finish by saying something nice....his brash decisiveness mixed w/ candor

for an md is refreshing.

jeff

O^P Message Follows----

From: Adlard <cadlard@...>

rheumatic

Subject: rheumatic Multiple sclerosis from Dr. Joe Mercola

Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:35:02 +0930

Multiple Sclerosis and Epstein-Barr Virus

German researchers have demonstrated that there may be an association

between the Epstein-Barr Virus (EBV) reactivation and disease activity

in Multiple Sclerosis (MS) patients over time.

108 MS patients and 163 controls were assessed for the prevalence of

antibodies against herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1), HSV-2, EBV, and

cytomegalovirus (CMV).

In contrast to the control populations, antibodies against EBV were

present in 100% of MS patients.

There was no significant differences between the groups for the other

viruses.

19 of the MS patients were then followed monthly for 1 year, measuring

active viral replication and it was noted that viral reactivation was

seen in 72.7% of patients with exacerbations of their MS symptoms.

The authors suggest that EBV might play an indirect role in MS as an

activator of the underlying disease process. This could therefore, have

some clinical significance in the treatment of this difficult condion.

Neurology July 25, 2000; 55:178-84

DR. MERCOLA'S COMMENT: MS is a very challenging problem to treat. There

are no simple solutions. Usually mercury is a complicating factor. The

mercury tends to impair the immune system and allow infections like

Epstein Barr worsen the problem.

Following a good diet is of course also key. Elimination of milk and

dairy is critical. Studies have shown that cow's milk consumption is

correlated with MS prevalence (Neuroepidemiology 1992;11:304-12,

Neuroepidemiology 1993;12:15-27).

Collection of data from the autonomic nervous system is one of the most

sophisticated approaches that I am aware of to learn what the

underlying reasons for the cause of MS. Here are some other avenues

that might be useful as well:

1. Vitamin D Deficiency - MS much more common in individuals with lower

vitamin D levels and in countries where people get less sunlight

exposure. A previous article in the newsletter showed a positive effect

of sunlight exposure on MS. Maybe correcting a vitamin D deficiency can

halt progression?

2. Calcium AEP - Although I don't know of any good studies on it, the

late Dr. Nieper in Germany used it extensively in his clinic and Dr.

Atkins in New York City claims that 85% of his patients get

positive results from it. Although there is an oral form available,

most physicians use an IV administration. I have not tried it yet but

might enter a clinical investigation with it in the near future.

3. Electromagnetic Stimulation of the Pineal Gland - There is a Dr.

Reuven Sandyk in the NYC area who uses AC pulsed electromagnetic fields

to stimulate the pineal gland and he seems to get some very good

results, although the treatment is very expensive and must be done

long-term. Due to the prohibitively expensive equipment, Dr. Sandyk's

clinic is probably the only place to receive this treatment.

4. Alpha Lipoic Acid - A study from the Netherlands showed that Lipoic

acid is a non-specific scavenger of Reactive Oxygen Species and

decreased the phagocytosis of myelin by macrophages. Free radicals

appear to play a regulatory role in the destruction of myelin (Journal

of Neuroimmunology 1998 Dec 1;92:67-75)

5. Progesterone - Progesterone has actually been shown in animal

studies to promote the formation of new myelin sheaths (Human

Reproduction 2000 Jun;15 Suppl 1:1-13, J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol 1999

Apr-Jun;69:97-107, Mult Scler 1997 Apr;3:105-12). I am not aware of any

clinicians using progesterone the treat MS patients, but if any of my

readers have any additional information on this, please e-mail me.

Related Articles:

HERPES VIRUS MAY TRIGGER MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS

Sunlight Exposure Beneficial In Multiple Sclerosis

[Guest guest]

l agree that all information should be posted, and let the person make their

own decision. lt is good advice and l only hope that this group will follow it

no matter what the treatment is. The more information the better we can make

decisions.

Lee

[Guest guest]

,

I think you overstepped your bounds a bit here.

If I had MS, I would be glad to read ANYTHING that may help me. I

read it all and make my own decision. We need not be judgemental.

This post hurt no one. It is purely informational.

Having been in a tough situation more than once, I was surpired to

see you post in this fashion.JMO

Marge

> Forgive my snottiness but...

> I have this sense that given time Mercola could find a mercury

connection

> for every disease under the sun. And his ability to draw

conclusions on the

> basis of one or two studies is always so interesting - quite a

talent.

> Surprising in this case that he doesn't take the time to hawk one

of his

> life-affirming supplements to followup his conclusions. Maybe I

should

> finish by saying something nice....his brash decisiveness mixed w/

candor

> for an md is refreshing.

> jeff

>

> O^P Message Follows----

> From: Adlard <cadlard@c...>

> rheumatic

> Subject: rheumatic Multiple sclerosis from Dr. Joe Mercola

> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:35:02 +0930

>

> Multiple Sclerosis and Epstein-Barr Virus

>

> German researchers have demonstrated that there may be an

association

> between the Epstein-Barr Virus (EBV) reactivation and disease

activity

> in Multiple Sclerosis (MS) patients over time.

>

> 108 MS patients and 163 controls were assessed for the prevalence of

> antibodies against herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1), HSV-2, EBV,

and

> cytomegalovirus (CMV).

>

> In contrast to the control populations, antibodies against EBV were

> present in 100% of MS patients.

>

> There was no significant differences between the groups for the

other

> viruses.

> 19 of the MS patients were then followed monthly for 1 year,

measuring

> active viral replication and it was noted that viral reactivation

was

> seen in 72.7% of patients with exacerbations of their MS symptoms.

>

> The authors suggest that EBV might play an indirect role in MS as an

> activator of the underlying disease process. This could therefore,

have

> some clinical significance in the treatment of this difficult

condion.

>

> Neurology July 25, 2000; 55:178-84

>

> DR. MERCOLA'S COMMENT: MS is a very challenging problem to treat.

There

> are no simple solutions. Usually mercury is a complicating factor.

The

> mercury tends to impair the immune system and allow infections like

> Epstein Barr worsen the problem.

>

> Following a good diet is of course also key. Elimination of milk and

> dairy is critical. Studies have shown that cow's milk consumption is

> correlated with MS prevalence (Neuroepidemiology 1992;11:304-12,

> Neuroepidemiology 1993;12:15-27).

>

> Collection of data from the autonomic nervous system is one of the

most

> sophisticated approaches that I am aware of to learn what the

> underlying reasons for the cause of MS. Here are some other avenues

> that might be useful as well:

>

> 1. Vitamin D Deficiency - MS much more common in individuals with

lower

> vitamin D levels and in countries where people get less sunlight

> exposure. A previous article in the newsletter showed a positive

effect

> of sunlight exposure on MS. Maybe correcting a vitamin D deficiency

can

> halt progression?

>

> 2. Calcium AEP - Although I don't know of any good studies on it,

the

> late Dr. Nieper in Germany used it extensively in his clinic and Dr.

> Atkins in New York City claims that 85% of his patients get

> positive results from it. Although there is an oral form available,

> most physicians use an IV administration. I have not tried it yet

but

> might enter a clinical investigation with it in the near future.

>

> 3. Electromagnetic Stimulation of the Pineal Gland - There is a Dr.

> Reuven Sandyk in the NYC area who uses AC pulsed electromagnetic

fields

> to stimulate the pineal gland and he seems to get some very good

> results, although the treatment is very expensive and must be done

> long-term. Due to the prohibitively expensive equipment, Dr.

Sandyk's

> clinic is probably the only place to receive this treatment.

>

> 4. Alpha Lipoic Acid - A study from the Netherlands showed that

Lipoic

> acid is a non-specific scavenger of Reactive Oxygen Species and

> decreased the phagocytosis of myelin by macrophages. Free radicals

> appear to play a regulatory role in the destruction of myelin

(Journal

> of Neuroimmunology 1998 Dec 1;92:67-75)

>

> 5. Progesterone - Progesterone has actually been shown in animal

> studies to promote the formation of new myelin sheaths (Human

> Reproduction 2000 Jun;15 Suppl 1:1-13, J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol

1999

> Apr-Jun;69:97-107, Mult Scler 1997 Apr;3:105-12). I am not aware of

any

> clinicians using progesterone the treat MS patients, but if any of

my

> readers have any additional information on this, please e-mail me.

>

> Related Articles:

>

> HERPES VIRUS MAY TRIGGER MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS

>

> Sunlight Exposure Beneficial In Multiple Sclerosis

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Marge,

You're right, I'm certain I wasn't being very appropriate, but let me

clarify. I would not in a million years suggest that information such as

this should not be presented. Never even implied that. My criticism was

directed purely at the individual's approach not at the information itself

or its availability.

I feel that when an md CHOOSES to make commercial money off of and overtly

market items that are directly connected to therapies he aggresively

advocates and promotes, his self-interest and all his judgements and

affirmations absolutely should be scrutinized or at the very least

questioned. That simply comes w/ the territory. And in reality that sort

of practice can hurt someone ($). Perhaps I'm stating the obvious, and

we're all educated and discerning enough to weed through the overgrowth. My

personal experience suggests otherwise.

My other criticism was simply whenever I see conclusions offered on very

limited cited data, and that conclusion is not qualified in any manner at

all, I find that irresponsible coming from an MD or any other technically

inclined professional individual whose conclusions carries a certain weight

(i.e. someone with a web site). Someone else, w/o the training etc., doing

similar could be excused.

Nothing wrong w/ putting out information. It should though be put into some

degree of relative context, and if he doesn't do it, then maybe soneone else

should. It's really more professional than personal, though I obviously

failed to deliver in that respect. I appreciate that POV.

jeff

----Original Message Follows----

From: " elfmarge " <Elfmarge@...>

rheumatic

Subject: rheumatic Re: Multiple sclerosis from Dr. Joe Mercola

Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:55:02 -0000

,

I think you overstepped your bounds a bit here.

If I had MS, I would be glad to read ANYTHING that may help me. I

read it all and make my own decision. We need not be judgemental.

This post hurt no one. It is purely informational.

Having been in a tough situation more than once, I was surpired to

see you post in this fashion.JMO

Marge

> Forgive my snottiness but...

> I have this sense that given time Mercola could find a mercury

connection

> for every disease under the sun. And his ability to draw

conclusions on the

> basis of one or two studies is always so interesting - quite a

talent.

> Surprising in this case that he doesn't take the time to hawk one

of his

> life-affirming supplements to followup his conclusions. Maybe I

should

> finish by saying something nice....his brash decisiveness mixed w/

candor

> for an md is refreshing.

> jeff

>

> O^P Message Follows----

> From: Adlard <cadlard@c...>

> rheumatic

> Subject: rheumatic Multiple sclerosis from Dr. Joe Mercola

> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:35:02 +0930

>

> Multiple Sclerosis and Epstein-Barr Virus

>

> German researchers have demonstrated that there may be an

association

> between the Epstein-Barr Virus (EBV) reactivation and disease

activity

> in Multiple Sclerosis (MS) patients over time.

>

> 108 MS patients and 163 controls were assessed for the prevalence of

> antibodies against herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1), HSV-2, EBV,

and

> cytomegalovirus (CMV).

>

> In contrast to the control populations, antibodies against EBV were

> present in 100% of MS patients.

>

> There was no significant differences between the groups for the

other

> viruses.

> 19 of the MS patients were then followed monthly for 1 year,

measuring

> active viral replication and it was noted that viral reactivation

was

> seen in 72.7% of patients with exacerbations of their MS symptoms.

>

> The authors suggest that EBV might play an indirect role in MS as an

> activator of the underlying disease process. This could therefore,

have

> some clinical significance in the treatment of this difficult

condion.

>

> Neurology July 25, 2000; 55:178-84

>

> DR. MERCOLA'S COMMENT: MS is a very challenging problem to treat.

There

> are no simple solutions. Usually mercury is a complicating factor.

The

> mercury tends to impair the immune system and allow infections like

> Epstein Barr worsen the problem.

>

> Following a good diet is of course also key. Elimination of milk and

> dairy is critical. Studies have shown that cow's milk consumption is

> correlated with MS prevalence (Neuroepidemiology 1992;11:304-12,

> Neuroepidemiology 1993;12:15-27).

>

> Collection of data from the autonomic nervous system is one of the

most

> sophisticated approaches that I am aware of to learn what the

> underlying reasons for the cause of MS. Here are some other avenues

> that might be useful as well:

>

> 1. Vitamin D Deficiency - MS much more common in individuals with

lower

> vitamin D levels and in countries where people get less sunlight

> exposure. A previous article in the newsletter showed a positive

effect

> of sunlight exposure on MS. Maybe correcting a vitamin D deficiency

can

> halt progression?

>

> 2. Calcium AEP - Although I don't know of any good studies on it,

the

> late Dr. Nieper in Germany used it extensively in his clinic and Dr.

> Atkins in New York City claims that 85% of his patients get

> positive results from it. Although there is an oral form available,

> most physicians use an IV administration. I have not tried it yet

but

> might enter a clinical investigation with it in the near future.

>

> 3. Electromagnetic Stimulation of the Pineal Gland - There is a Dr.

> Reuven Sandyk in the NYC area who uses AC pulsed electromagnetic

fields

> to stimulate the pineal gland and he seems to get some very good

> results, although the treatment is very expensive and must be done

> long-term. Due to the prohibitively expensive equipment, Dr.

Sandyk's

> clinic is probably the only place to receive this treatment.

>

> 4. Alpha Lipoic Acid - A study from the Netherlands showed that

Lipoic

> acid is a non-specific scavenger of Reactive Oxygen Species and

> decreased the phagocytosis of myelin by macrophages. Free radicals

> appear to play a regulatory role in the destruction of myelin

(Journal

> of Neuroimmunology 1998 Dec 1;92:67-75)

>

> 5. Progesterone - Progesterone has actually been shown in animal

> studies to promote the formation of new myelin sheaths (Human

> Reproduction 2000 Jun;15 Suppl 1:1-13, J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol

1999

> Apr-Jun;69:97-107, Mult Scler 1997 Apr;3:105-12). I am not aware of

any

> clinicians using progesterone the treat MS patients, but if any of

my

> readers have any additional information on this, please e-mail me.

>

> Related Articles:

>

> HERPES VIRUS MAY TRIGGER MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS

>

> Sunlight Exposure Beneficial In Multiple Sclerosis

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm neither a fan nor detractor of Mercola, but the effect of Hg on humans

is very, very hard to overstate. Where it is present, the system suffers

multiple cascading failures of every system with which it has contact, and

it is considered impossible to chelate by allopaths. Some alternative

practitioners point to cilantro as a potential chelator of Hg, and other

possibilities as well, but all-in-all nothing seems to have caught on well

enough to find widespread following.

Geoff

soli Deo gloria

www.HealingYou.org - Your nonprofit source for remedies and aids in fighting

these diseases, information on weaning from drugs, and nutritional kits for

repairing adrenal damage; 100% volunteer staffed.

(Courtesy: Captain Cook's www.800-800-cruise.com)

[Guest guest]

Geoff,

I thought the main point of chelation therapy was to remove heavy

metals, especially mercury, from the body, so I am confused by your

statements that it is considered impossible to chelate! Can you

elaborate? What, then, is the purpose of chelation?

Thanks,

Geoff wrote:

> I'm neither a fan nor detractor of Mercola, but the effect of Hg on humans

> is very, very hard to overstate. Where it is present, the system suffers

> multiple cascading failures of every system with which it has contact, and

> it is considered impossible to chelate by allopaths. Some alternative

> practitioners point to cilantro as a potential chelator of Hg, and other

> possibilities as well, but all-in-all nothing seems to have caught on well

> enough to find widespread following.

>

> Geoff

> soli Deo gloria

>

> www.HealingYou.org - Your nonprofit source for remedies and aids in

> fighting

> these diseases, information on weaning from drugs, and nutritional

> kits for

> repairing adrenal damage; 100% volunteer staffed.

>

> (Courtesy: Captain Cook's www.800-800-cruise.com)

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

" I thought the main point of chelation therapy was to remove heavy metals,

especially mercury, from the body, so I am confused by your statements that it

is considered impossible to chelate! Can you elaborate? What, then, is the

purpose of chelation? "

IV chelation is recognized by the AMA for the removal of lead. It is often used

by alternative practitioners with EDTA to prevent and repair blocked veins and

arteries. It is commonly used in Europe with EDTA as a first-line treatment for

circulatory issues. Other substances are also used in IV chelation.

Hg acts and is stored differently than lead and other metals. I personally

spoke to the leading researcher on Hg last year while I was searching for a

means of chelating it in regard to the possibility of its being involved in

autism. I believe he was at the University of Missouri but I am not certain

about that, his specialty was Hg specifically, and large-scale environmental

disturbances secondarily. According to him, it is considered the most dangerous

and deadly of the heavy metals and it flatly cannot be removed from complex

biologics (humans,) his comments parroting conventional allopathic reasoning. I

don't recall the fellow's name; without the information I needed it was

irrelevant. I have since found that Homeopaths and other alternative

practitioners do not consider Hg so stable that it cannot be removed.

The real issue with Hg is not its lethality, but at what level damage goes

beyond the body's natural ability to overcome and repair the effects. This is

the debate to which, I believe, Jeff intoned when he commented on Mercola's

comments, and the question is certainly valid. The far end of it is trying to

establish levels for adults, infants, etc. Many people mistakenly see infants

and children as " little " adults, an emotional/political viewpoint imbuing them

with " rights " absent " responsibility. " While that perspective may be

appropriate political fodder, it is factually wrong when it comes to physiology

and this raises serious issues with Hg levels as the levels of tolerance in

infants may well be nil, while some level in the PPB or PPT range for adults may

be appropriate.

Geoff

soli Deo gloria

www.HealingYou.org - Your nonprofit source for remedies and aids in fighting

these diseases, information on weaning from drugs, and nutritional kits for

repairing adrenal damage; 100% volunteer staffed.

(Courtesy: Captain Cook's www.800-800-cruise.com)

[Guest guest]

" The real issue with Hg is not its lethality, but at what level damage goes

beyond the body's natural ability to overcome and repair the effects. "

Geoff you captured it much better than me - this is exactly what I was

trying to get across. Information is great, but its true usefullness is

proportional to its context. That threshold you alluded to remains a

mystery at this time, and this fact should be considered, especially by a

trained physician who may specialize in unqualified and weakly supported

pronouncements. I could maybe overlook such flagrant lapses, as the world

is full of misleading and/or incomplete assertions - I'm sure I've made a

few, its just that mine don't help to generate income.

Regarding that threshold, a similar quandary exists for radiation - at what

level is radiation relatively " safe? " Likewise, nobody can say. Yet the

body continually repairs genetic damage done by UV radiation. Maybe the

body " learned " how to do this from the constant bombardment over time.

Maybe heavy metal assault (not the music) is relatively much more of a

recent occurrence, and the body cannot yet adapt. Given this maybe Hg

toxicity is truly underappreciated. Again, who knows? This is my point -

the jury is still out. So the context does become very important. It's

worth considering when assessing what to do (and what to buy) in order to

protect ourselves in the midst of this perpetual barage of toxins.

jeff

----Original Message Follows----

From: " Geoff " <geoff@...>

" " <pinto@...>

CC: <rheumatic >

Subject: rheumatic Re: Multiple sclerosis from Dr. Joe Mercola

Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 10:05:13 -0700

,

You wrote:

" I thought the main point of chelation therapy was to remove heavy metals,

especially mercury, from the body, so I am confused by your statements that

it is considered impossible to chelate! Can you elaborate? What, then, is

the purpose of chelation? "

IV chelation is recognized by the AMA for the removal of lead. It is often

used by alternative practitioners with EDTA to prevent and repair blocked

veins and arteries. It is commonly used in Europe with EDTA as a first-line

treatment for circulatory issues. Other substances are also used in IV

chelation.

Hg acts and is stored differently than lead and other metals. I personally

spoke to the leading researcher on Hg last year while I was searching for a

means of chelating it in regard to the possibility of its being involved in

autism. I believe he was at the University of Missouri but I am not certain

about that, his specialty was Hg specifically, and large-scale environmental

disturbances secondarily. According to him, it is considered the most

dangerous and deadly of the heavy metals and it flatly cannot be removed

from complex biologics (humans,) his comments parroting conventional

allopathic reasoning. I don't recall the fellow's name; without the

information I needed it was irrelevant. I have since found that Homeopaths

and other alternative practitioners do not consider Hg so stable that it

cannot be removed.

The real issue with Hg is not its lethality, but at what level damage goes

beyond the body's natural ability to overcome and repair the effects. This

is the debate to which, I believe, Jeff intoned when he commented on

Mercola's comments, and the question is certainly valid. The far end of it

is trying to establish levels for adults, infants, etc. Many people

mistakenly see infants and children as " little " adults, an

emotional/political viewpoint imbuing them with " rights " absent

" responsibility. " While that perspective may be appropriate political

fodder, it is factually wrong when it comes to physiology and this raises

serious issues with Hg levels as the levels of tolerance in infants may well

be nil, while some level in the PPB or PPT range for adults may be

appropriate.

Geoff

soli Deo gloria

www.HealingYou.org - Your nonprofit source for remedies and aids in fighting

these diseases, information on weaning from drugs, and nutritional kits for

repairing adrenal damage; 100% volunteer staffed.

(Courtesy: Captain Cook's www.800-800-cruise.com)

[Guest guest]

Goeff and Jeff,

I understand exactly what you mean.However, i know too many meds

are " pushed " on pts too, many with harmful dside effects that are not

usualy fully disclosed.

I find that appealling too.

Pick your balttle I guess but I did all the traditioal route and got

really ill. I have been using alternative medicine for quite awhile

and these folks have more understanding.

I think it is important to note we all need to take full

respnsobility for the treatments we choose. I did not do this till

1996 and now i am happy to have it all presented. I read it all and

then do my own research ..then make a decision.

I no longer strut alongside of what the medical community CHOOSES to

make known to us. There is a lot out there..maybe a little offbeat

but if I am getting better with fewer side efetcs..I feel this is

important too. I have an internist who knows I research and know I do

these alternative things and has said I am better for it.

To me, it helps the AP work more optimally!

Marge

> " I thought the main point of chelation therapy was to remove heavy

metals,

> especially mercury, from the body, so I am confused by your

statements that

> it is considered impossible to chelate! Can you elaborate? What,

then, is

> the purpose of chelation? "

>

> IV chelation is recognized by the AMA for the removal of lead. It

is often

> used by alternative practitioners with EDTA to prevent and repair

blocked

> veins and arteries. It is commonly used in Europe with EDTA as a

first-line

> treatment for circulatory issues. Other substances are also used

in IV

> chelation.

>

> Hg acts and is stored differently than lead and other metals. I

personally

> spoke to the leading researcher on Hg last year while I was

searching for a

> means of chelating it in regard to the possibility of its being

involved in

> autism. I believe he was at the University of Missouri but I am

not certain

> about that, his specialty was Hg specifically, and large-scale

environmental

> disturbances secondarily. According to him, it is considered the

most

> dangerous and deadly of the heavy metals and it flatly cannot be

removed

> from complex biologics (humans,) his comments parroting

conventional

> allopathic reasoning. I don't recall the fellow's name; without

the

> information I needed it was irrelevant. I have since found that

Homeopaths

> and other alternative practitioners do not consider Hg so stable

that it

> cannot be removed.

>

> The real issue with Hg is not its lethality, but at what level

damage goes

> beyond the body's natural ability to overcome and repair the

effects. This

> is the debate to which, I believe, Jeff intoned when he commented

on

> Mercola's comments, and the question is certainly valid. The far

end of it

> is trying to establish levels for adults, infants, etc. Many

people

> mistakenly see infants and children as " little " adults, an

> emotional/political viewpoint imbuing them with " rights " absent

> " responsibility. " While that perspective may be appropriate

political

> fodder, it is factually wrong when it comes to physiology and this

raises

> serious issues with Hg levels as the levels of tolerance in infants

may well

> be nil, while some level in the PPB or PPT range for adults may be

> appropriate.

>

> Geoff

> soli Deo gloria

>

> www.HealingYou.org - Your nonprofit source for remedies and aids in

fighting

> these diseases, information on weaning from drugs, and nutritional

kits for

> repairing adrenal damage; 100% volunteer staffed.

>

> (Courtesy: Captain Cook's www.800-800-cruise.com)

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Marge,

" Geoff and Jeff " - sounds like one of those morning radio shows.

I agree with your comments. I'd only add that those who supply the info

need to be held to high standards, since eventually you only get what you

consistently demand. And call me cynical, but those who conspicuously

profit from the information they supply are not quite on the same plane as

those who don't.

jeff

----Original Message Follows----

From: " elfmarge " <Elfmarge@...>

rheumatic

Subject: rheumatic Re: Multiple sclerosis from Dr. Joe Mercola

Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:31:03 -0000

Goeff and Jeff,

I understand exactly what you mean.However, i know too many meds

are " pushed " on pts too, many with harmful dside effects that are not

usualy fully disclosed.

I find that appealling too.

Pick your balttle I guess but I did all the traditioal route and got

really ill. I have been using alternative medicine for quite awhile

and these folks have more understanding.

I think it is important to note we all need to take full

respnsobility for the treatments we choose. I did not do this till

1996 and now i am happy to have it all presented. I read it all and

then do my own research ..then make a decision.

I no longer strut alongside of what the medical community CHOOSES to

make known to us. There is a lot out there..maybe a little offbeat

but if I am getting better with fewer side efetcs..I feel this is

important too. I have an internist who knows I research and know I do

these alternative things and has said I am better for it.

To me, it helps the AP work more optimally!

Marge

> " I thought the main point of chelation therapy was to remove heavy

metals,

> especially mercury, from the body, so I am confused by your

statements that

> it is considered impossible to chelate! Can you elaborate? What,

then, is

> the purpose of chelation? "

>

> IV chelation is recognized by the AMA for the removal of lead. It

is often

> used by alternative practitioners with EDTA to prevent and repair

blocked

> veins and arteries. It is commonly used in Europe with EDTA as a

first-line

> treatment for circulatory issues. Other substances are also used

in IV

> chelation.

>

> Hg acts and is stored differently than lead and other metals. I

personally

> spoke to the leading researcher on Hg last year while I was

searching for a

> means of chelating it in regard to the possibility of its being

involved in

> autism. I believe he was at the University of Missouri but I am

not certain

> about that, his specialty was Hg specifically, and large-scale

environmental

> disturbances secondarily. According to him, it is considered the

most

> dangerous and deadly of the heavy metals and it flatly cannot be

removed

> from complex biologics (humans,) his comments parroting

conventional

> allopathic reasoning. I don't recall the fellow's name; without

the

> information I needed it was irrelevant. I have since found that

Homeopaths

> and other alternative practitioners do not consider Hg so stable

that it

> cannot be removed.

>

> The real issue with Hg is not its lethality, but at what level

damage goes

> beyond the body's natural ability to overcome and repair the

effects. This

> is the debate to which, I believe, Jeff intoned when he commented

on

> Mercola's comments, and the question is certainly valid. The far

end of it

> is trying to establish levels for adults, infants, etc. Many

people

> mistakenly see infants and children as " little " adults, an

> emotional/political viewpoint imbuing them with " rights " absent

> " responsibility. " While that perspective may be appropriate

political

> fodder, it is factually wrong when it comes to physiology and this

raises

> serious issues with Hg levels as the levels of tolerance in infants

may well

> be nil, while some level in the PPB or PPT range for adults may be

> appropriate.

>

> Geoff

> soli Deo gloria

>

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CORRECTION: Hg

I just found a note I wrote in June '01 after speaking to the researcher I

mentioned in this thread. I think it important to note his perspective of

" peer reviewed literature. " " Peer reviewed literature " can be quite

misleading depending on the " peers " doing the " reviewing " and to which

" peer " group one either subscribes or ascribes authority. For example,

Homeopaths invented the PCDBS (placebo-controlled double-blind study) and

used that method to populate their Materia Medica. But since the late

1800's when they were losing their business and influence to Homeopaths,

Allopaths, with their formation of the AMA, have ceaselessly attacked

Homeopathy as nonsense. It is ironic that they have so effectively sold

PCDBS as the " only " valid method of knowing what a drug does or does not do,

while still decrying Homeopathy as chicanery meant to trick people into

placebo healing states. If the " peers " doing the reviewing are not real

" peers " the perspective is going to be skewed and may be altogether

nonsense.

That said, he was at the University of Kentucky, not Missouri; here is a

reprint of the essential portions of that post:

--- From 06/02/01 ---

(Gail wrote:)

> BUT! I just deleted a message from Austin's mother talking

> about the mercury levels after Hepatitis B injections and a

> penny dropped! I am a teacher and worked in an area where

> there was a high risk of Hepatitis (kids occasionally bite

> teachers!). So the Health dept gave free shots to teachers

> in some areas. I got my RA not immediately but within 2 years.

>

> WHo knows?

Not me. There is speculation that some outward reactions, like RA, can be

quite delayed. There appears to be evidence supporting the theory, but not

enough to say absolutely yes / no. I wish I knew more.

I just finished corresponding with a research scientist at the University of

Kentucky about chelating Hg (mercury) which is a big concern for me. They do

an extensive amount of work on Hg. Here is what he said:

" I hate to say it, but at this time there is no none (sic) supplement or

even drug for the removal of mercury from the human body. Occasionally, you

may read that there may be some type of chelator for Hg in the body, but to

the best of my peer reviewed literature searches, I have never seen a known

and accredited " cure " . The only known biological mercury binding protein

is found in bacteria (mer P). We preform (sic) a significant amount of

research on the element, but nearly all is involved in the environmental

area. Aside from detection from saliva, blood, and urine, we don't work

much with biological systems. The hope of the research is to utilize

synthetic compounds to immobilize mercury before it impacts humans.

You may run across web sites and advertisements which claim to remove Hg

from the body, but I would not put any faith into it even under desperate

conditions. The major problem is the possibility of attacking other vital

metals in the body such as iron. Designing chelators to attack only a

specific metal is nearly impossible. For systems where only one metal is a

problem makes the work easy, but unfortunately the human body is no that

straight forward.

I wish I could tell you that there does exist a biological protein for

humans like the merP, but unfortunately there is not, but I guess this is

why mercury is considered the most toxic metal know to mankind.

I am not sure the extent of your daughters Hg poisoning (if this is indeed

the fact), but I would highly avoid materials that would increase the

biological accumulation. Probably the greatest area to avoid are mercury

amalgams which are used in teeth to fill where cavities once were. Always

request and demand a polymer resin be used instead. This is a huge area of

debate, but I promise you that the fillings do leach and can lead to a

serious problem years down the road. "

And they use mercury in most of the vaccines... this is just too ugly.

--- END ---

Note of particular consequence his final comment:

" ...the fillings do leach and can lead to a serious problem

years down the road. "

Geoff

soli Deo gloria

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