Guest guest Posted October 10, 2009 Report Share Posted October 10, 2009 This is an awesome video about the research on kids and eating. http://vvi.onstreammedia.com/cgi-bin/visearch?user=pbs-saf & template=play220asf.html & query=* & squery=+ClipID:3%20+VideoAsset:pbssaf1110 & inputField=%20 & entire=No & ccstart=923656 & ccend=1445178 & videoID=pbssaf1110 It's something any parent should watch, and it's totally supportive of IE in kids. It's also a nice reminder on how many of us ended up being non-intuitive today. Our parents did the best they knew how to do, and followed the advice of the "experts" of that time. I wish today's doctors would watch this video, too. Putting kids on diets is reprehensible. Advising parents to limit kid's access to sweets and fatty foods is totally counterproductive. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Sara, Thank you so much for the link to that video. It was so interesting. I have so many food issues still. I haven't passed them on to my kids. I have three kids, One is very tall and very thin, one is tall and of average hight, and one son who is overweight (but not obese). The first two walk a lot, eat junk food at times, but eat mostly home cooked meals (they don't want to give their hard earned cash to the restaurants). My chubby son sometimes eats the same stuff at home, but eats out at restaurants and often buys prepared foods to reheat at home. I think if he would stay away from these prepared/restaurant foods and walked a bit more (he works downtown and takes the bus and subway), he would be fine. My tall skinny son takes the subway every day also, but forgoes the bus, choosing to walk to the subway instead. I have never restriced what they ate. I only made an issue of food once with my eldest son. I learned from my mystake!! I told him he had to eat breakfast before going to his nursury school (which he really liked). He didn't want to eat it. I made a game of it and got him to eat before going. When we got there, he threw up all over the place and on himself also!!!! Kids really do know best when it comes to eating! (pook kid, I always feel sorry for the eldest child who gets to train the parents. CaroleSubject: Awesome videoTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Received: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 12:15 PM This is an awesome video about the research on kids and eating. http://vvi.onstreammedia.com/cgi-bin/visearch?user=pbs-saf & template=play220asf.html & query=* & squery=+ClipID:3%20+VideoAsset:pbssaf1110 & inputField=%20 & entire=No & ccstart=923656 & ccend=1445178 & videoID=pbssaf1110 It's something any parent should watch, and it's totally supportive of IE in kids. It's also a nice reminder on how many of us ended up being non-intuitive today. Our parents did the best they knew how to do, and followed the advice of the "experts" of that time. I wish today's doctors would watch this video, too. Putting kids on diets is reprehensible. Advising parents to limit kid's access to sweets and fatty foods is totally counterproductive. Sara Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer® 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 thanks for the PBS link Sara. I took some time to watch the other videos in the series. Interestingly, there was another video in that series called " Eat less - live longer. " Alan Alda interviewed a doctor Roy Walford about his eating habits - this doctor happened to participate in the Biosphere 2 project which is mentioned briefly in the IE book on page 74. I am definitely not for undereating - but the interview was interesting nonetheless. He claims that eating less calories but more nutrition will make him live longer. I guess they are documenting this with monkeys and mice and finding it may be true. But there are other things to consider in my opinion. There is always a trade off. Can we measure happiness? Do these caged monkeys have a happy life? Does an indoor cat who may live to be 20 years old necessarily have as happy a life as one that is not confined but may live 1/4 of the time? Watch the video. Who would you rather hang out with - this doctor or Alan Alda? Another video in the series which I was completey fascinated with was called " The Desert's Perfect Foods. " Alan Alda interviewed some native americans who happen to be having serious health problems (their tribe has 15 times the national average of diabetes and exceptionally high rates of obesity) since they began living and eating like our " modern " society. It seems their genetic makeup allowed for their bodies to store food quite efficiently in times of plenty so they could survive in not so plentiful times. What really intrigues me is their native diet provided everything they needed - how much more intuitive can you be than to be at one with all life and trust that it will be provided. None of this came from a store or needed manufacturing. It makes me question my lifestyle. I get to thinking a little too deep sometimes so pardon if I am boring you. But did you ever stop to think what exactly it is that we are hiding from with food? I sometimes wonder if I was meant to live a different kind of life and overeating is the way I cope with not being in tune with my true self. I guess it is scary to think this way. Deb > > > This is an awesome video about the research on kids and eating. > > http://vvi.onstreammedia.com/cgi-bin/visearch?user=pbs-saf & template=play\ > 220asf.html & query=* & squery=+ClipID:3%20+VideoAsset:pbssaf1110 & inputField\ > =%20 & entire=No & ccstart=923656 & ccend=1445178 & videoID=pbssaf1110 > <http://vvi.onstreammedia.com/cgi-bin/visearch?user=pbs-saf & template=pla\ > y220asf.html & query=* & squery=+ClipID:3%20+VideoAsset:pbssaf1110 & inputFiel\ > d=%20 & entire=No & ccstart=923656 & ccend=1445178 & videoID=pbssaf1110> > > It's something any parent should watch, and it's totally supportive of > IE in kids. It's also a nice reminder on how many of us ended up being > non-intuitive today. Our parents did the best they knew how to do, and > followed the advice of the " experts " of that time. > > I wish today's doctors would watch this video, too. Putting kids on > diets is reprehensible. Advising parents to limit kid's access to > sweets and fatty foods is totally counterproductive. > > Sara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 Deb, I believe it's true that eating and food are very complex issues with uncountable influences. I also believe that a lot of times, scietists go too far in making broad assumptions based on very narrow research. Research on mice and monkeys should be used to inform future research in humans, not used to make recommendations to humans. These animal subjects live in very controlled environments. Their only available food is what they're given by the researchers. We live in the real world, where all food is available all the time. Even if it were true that low calorie, high nutrition diets made us live longer (which is never clear from research on entirely different species than us) than what does that mean for us? If it were easy or even remotely feasible to maintain a low calorie, high nutrient diet, than no one would have ever bothered to write IE, or any other of the myriad like-minded books. We'd all be slender, healthy, and dreamy. Plus, I don't know the exact conditions of the study, but I doubt very seriously if these animal subjects had a wide variety in their diet. One group was probably fed only low-nutrition, high-calorie food, and the other group was fed only high nutrition, low-calorie food. Who knows, maybe a third group who was given complete access to a large variety of foods common to their diet might have lived the longest of all. Back to applying animal research to humans. There are multiple very, very large studies in humans showing that we humans who are above the recommended BMI (even quite a bit above) actually live longer than those who are within the recommended range. And those who are even slightly (like 5 pounds) below the recommended range have the lowest life expectancy. This research certainly doesn't seem to support the animal studies. I definitely don't think they should use this research to come up with new BMI tables and weight recommendations. There's too much experimental and real world evidence that attempting to control one's weight externally is a fool's errand. That just goes back to my point of not applying research too broadly. I think that looking at research like this through the wrong lens has been wrongly used to bolster the pofits of the billion dollar weight loss industry. Anything that seems to support weight loss is taken completely out of a real-world context and used to make us all feel unhealthy, and consequently unattractive. I fully believe you can be big and healthy. I just don't see where low-calorie diets fit in with that. And that's my research beef. I also totally agree with you about the quality vs. quantity of life factor. Sara > > > > > > This is an awesome video about the research on kids and eating. > > > > http://vvi.onstreammedia.com/cgi-bin/visearch?user=pbs-saf & template=play\ > > 220asf.html & query=* & squery=+ClipID:3%20+VideoAsset:pbssaf1110 & inputField\ > > =%20 & entire=No & ccstart=923656 & ccend=1445178 & videoID=pbssaf1110 > > <http://vvi.onstreammedia.com/cgi-bin/visearch?user=pbs-saf & template=pla\ > > y220asf.html & query=* & squery=+ClipID:3%20+VideoAsset:pbssaf1110 & inputFiel\ > > d=%20 & entire=No & ccstart=923656 & ccend=1445178 & videoID=pbssaf1110> > > > > It's something any parent should watch, and it's totally supportive of > > IE in kids. It's also a nice reminder on how many of us ended up being > > non-intuitive today. Our parents did the best they knew how to do, and > > followed the advice of the " experts " of that time. > > > > I wish today's doctors would watch this video, too. Putting kids on > > diets is reprehensible. Advising parents to limit kid's access to > > sweets and fatty foods is totally counterproductive. > > > > Sara > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 Sara, Thanks for your input on this. I brought up the subject of this video and the other video about the desert people because I thought they were interesting. I'm sorry if the subject upset you. It was not my intention. I applaud this doctor for trying to live longer by eating less but if restriction worked in the real world, then we wouldnt be here. Perhaps it was fascinating to me because he was so out of the ordinary. What really floored me was when they started talking about Biosphere 2 and I'm thinking " man, i think they talked about that project in the IE book " so I'm paging through the book trying to find it. But the authors did not mention this project in support of eating less, they mention it because of the lack of available food and how in that controlled environment with no outside influence, they still became fixated on food. Deb > > > > > > > > > This is an awesome video about the research on kids and eating. > > > > > > http://vvi.onstreammedia.com/cgi-bin/visearch?user=pbs-saf & template=play\ > > > 220asf.html & query=* & squery=+ClipID:3%20+VideoAsset:pbssaf1110 & inputField\ > > > =%20 & entire=No & ccstart=923656 & ccend=1445178 & videoID=pbssaf1110 > > > <http://vvi.onstreammedia.com/cgi-bin/visearch?user=pbs-saf & template=pla\ > > > y220asf.html & query=* & squery=+ClipID:3%20+VideoAsset:pbssaf1110 & inputFiel\ > > > d=%20 & entire=No & ccstart=923656 & ccend=1445178 & videoID=pbssaf1110> > > > > > > It's something any parent should watch, and it's totally supportive of > > > IE in kids. It's also a nice reminder on how many of us ended up being > > > non-intuitive today. Our parents did the best they knew how to do, and > > > followed the advice of the " experts " of that time. > > > > > > I wish today's doctors would watch this video, too. Putting kids on > > > diets is reprehensible. Advising parents to limit kid's access to > > > sweets and fatty foods is totally counterproductive. > > > > > > Sara > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 Deb, oh my gosh, I wasn't upset at all! That's one bad thing about writing instead of talking. It's so hard to portray tone. No, I was just sort of sharing my stream of thought from when I heard about this the first time on some science show months ago. I remember going through a process of initially feeling of fear I was on the wrong path, which luckily doesn't last too long anymore, and my subsequent thought process. Just wanted to share that, because I know others here have shared thoughts of worry for their health when their in the weight-gain/stabilization phase of IE. It really helped me to learn that the connection of weight to health isn't as it's commonly portrayed. No, I'm really glad you brought it up. I had been meaning to post about that for a while. Just gave me the opportunity. And I too applaude people living however way they choose to live. Lord knows I'm out of the mainstream on many fronts! Thanks! Sara p.s. You know, I just re-read my post, and I can easily see how you thought I was upset. I should have caveated it as my rant against the whole diet culture, and the quick embrace of any shred of research that might support it. Sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 No need to apologize, Sara. I'm right there with ya. Maybe we should contact Alan Alda and have him do an entire study on IE versus dieting. It would be revolutionary! Deb > > p.s. You know, I just re-read my post, and I can easily see how you thought I was upset. I should have caveated it as my rant against the whole diet culture, and the quick embrace of any shred of research that might support it. Sorry! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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