Thank you for the info

[Guest guest]

Thank you to everyone who responded to the email on the painful ankle

and feet swelling. The pain has eased some during the day but as soon

as I get off my feet at the end of the day I feel pain and know I have

it in my calves. I will be going to the doctor soon to see what I can

do. Thanks for you advice. Debra

[Guest guest]

Helen, that is all terrible! I am in MN too. Are you familiar with Pacer? If

not, let me know and I will tell you about them. I have a call into them

right now, as my daughter's school is giving us some trouble too. Pacer would be

able to help you with the answers and can provide an advocate free to go with

you to the meeting. Kim

In a message dated 2/17/2007 12:09:13 P.M. Central Standard Time,

hburger64@... writes:

So if anyone knows any rules etc about how teachers and school

officals can handle Children, I am all ears.

Thanks

Helen and (9,systemic)

[Guest guest]

Helen, I am shocked. I don't know what the laws are, but I can't believe

manhandling a child in elementary school would be allowed anywhere. I am glad

you are holding this meeting and I would ask the special ed teacher in front of

all these other people what the problem is. I don't think based on what you've

said that she has Nick's best interests at heart. The gym teacher handled

things poorly too. Why was he/she unable to handle this himself? Why did he

want to send Nick out of the class for this. He is the teacher and he should

have intervened not tried to send him out.

Please let us know how this meeting goes. Take care of yourself too!

Beth (Hannah, 10 unspecified arthritis; asthma; gerd; migraines)

Sending prayers & happy thoughts,

Beth :-)

Thank You for the info

Thank you to all who send me links etc about medications side effects.

the reason for me asking was Nick is having a tough time in school

and I don't feel the school is handling things in the best interests

of my child.

We were getting into a vicious cycle of every little thing he did

wrong he was written up and given a behaviour plan. 5 of them since

Mid Jan. and for silly reasons like " touching a sign, laughing in

class.

I have had my concerns about his IEP case worker/sp ed teacher for

most of this year. My 12 years also saw her for his learning

disabilities and he adored her up until this year. Something changed

and Zach was always coming home from school crying saying we was

never going to class with this teacher again. I also started

receiving calls from her telling me how disrespectful and

agrumentative Zach was. Zach was moved to the other Sp ed teacher and

I have had nothing but glowing reports from her about how well

manored and respectful he is. She is now telling me the exact same

thing about .

So back to last wednesday. Nick was in trouble, yet again in Gym ( he

has a hard time in gym as hes the smallest and youngest and is always

picked last for teams. It hurts him.) He got into a argrument with

another student and the gym teacher sent him down to his Sp ed

teacher. Nick refused to go and got VERY upset.

To make a long story short, and I don't know all the details yet. 4

adults man-handled my 52lb child down to the office where he was

pinned to the ground each adult holding down a limb and Nick spread

eagled on the floor. They threatened to call the police. MY husband

was called and went and got him. By the time he got there, Nick was

sitting in a chair.

We have a meeting with the principal, his sp/ed teacher, class

teacher, the school pyhscologist and the district one next Wednesday.

I am convinced that they crossed the line. Nick was not a threat to

anyone or any property. He has no history of being violent and never

has. I beleive they should have just waited until my husnband arrived

rather than man-handling him and then restaining him. they scared him

and he was just reacting to what they were doing to him. Surely there

are rules about this kind of behaviour. In my eyes they abused my

child.

Thankfully Nick is not showing any ill effects from this, he went off

to school happy as can be on Thursday ( friday was a holiday) I, on

the other hand am now having what I think are panic attacks, I

thought I was having a heart attack yesterday.

Right now i am trying to collect all the info i can and want to be

prepared for the meeting. Depending on what is said, i could take

this further. As I said I dont know the whole story yet.

So if anyone knows any rules etc about how teachers and school

officals can handle Children, I am all ears.

Thanks

Helen and (9,systemic)

[Guest guest]

Helen,

Contact your State Education Special Ed Department. Get as much info

about what the policy is. Do not tell them who you are YET. If needed tell them

you are Mrs So and So.

Now as for the Teacher's messing with Nick. Contact the Board of

Education and see if another Parent has put in a Complaint on the Teacher and

anyone else who has been involved with Nick. I forget which State your in. But

Most States have a Web site which will let you look up Proffessional Licenses.

This includes TEACHERS. Look the Teacher up. It will or should show when she

got her Teaching Certificate and Where she went to School. You can get the

Certificate Number off that. So in case you need it. Get her FULL name as

well.

Each Teacher is suppose to have a Back ground check as well.

Now your cooking. Anytime your child is being taught by anyone you have

the right to their background. Its called a Public Servant.

Here you go on another road. Some schools have Cameras in the Halls

and some class rooms. So check to see if that School has any. If so you have

the right to look at the tape. If it caught Nick's incident you can tell by

this.

No one should have the right to put a hand on your child. This went

out the Door when Punichment went out the door Ummm Child abuse......Does Nick

have ANY bruises on him? If at anytime Nick has a Bruise on him. He says it

was done by a Teacher or School personel. I would carry Nick straight to the

Hospital and have him checked out as this would be Documented. Allow Nick to

explain how he got the Bruise. This stand up in Court.

You have a 54 pound boy who is not tall. Then you have 4 grown Adults?

Either way you look at this sweetie it is not a fair fight. 1 Adult could

have asked him what was going on. Without causing such a up roar. When I met

Nick in Atlanta he was a well mannered cool young man. He has Issues with JRA.

Put in the IEP or 504 plan NO Physical contact to Nick. You are to be

contacted if anything comes up.

I had to do this with my Son. 1 Teacher grabbed him by the arm. I mean

grabbed him and put her finger prints on him which caused a Bruise. I carried

him

right to the ER and he told the Dr who did it. The Teacher was punished for

it. had a Incident where her legs were being bruised. I knew it was

being done at home. I asked and she said the kids kick her. Now She was

bruised up the shins on both legs. I carried her right to the ER and she told

the Dr who did it. As I was not going to be questioned about those bruises.

Dr contacted the School. I went to the Principal and Teacher and had it out

with both of them. I made sure was protected as well. She to was the

tiniest in School. I bought her Pointed toe cowboy boots. Instructed her If

she was kicked again that she had the right to holler and kick back. I told

the Teacher and Principal what she would do if it happened again. It happened

again lololol. But kicked back. Ummm It was not a nice spot either. As

it was a Boy and knows to kick in the nuts. I was called to the

School about it. lololol. I said well he got what he deserved and if you had

been

watching as you said you would Ummmm It wouldn't have happened.

Here's something you can do. Have your hubby or you go to the school Un

announced. Walk the halls. Let your face be seen as this will either put you

in a better situation or you walk in on a incident with Nick.

At the High School I had the chance to watch my son in class. No one knew I

was there. My face was seen at both schools.

I would see what they have to say. Do not go alone. Get someone to go

with you and sit in the meeting.

As with 2 people they can listen and take notes. Stand up for Nicks rights.

Man handling Nick was uncalled for no matter what.

Robbin

[Guest guest]

Helen,

I believe you have a very legitiment concern/complaint. I believe

they used excessive force certainly far greater than what Nick's

behavior appears to have warranted. If they also would factor in his

size of 54 lbs. and his age of 9 then I hardly think being spread

eagle with 4 adults restraining him would be necesary for a boy who

was most likely embarassed and self concious in pe due to his

limitations and size.

I wish I knew more about who you should contact and what your rights

are. I know there are some folks on this list that seem to be very

well briefed in this area. I hope they will see your post...Maybe

repost your subject specifcally stating need for legal advice

regarding school law...Some people only have time to run through the

emails and might respond only to subjects if its an area that they

have expertise/experience with.

At any rate Nick's IEP needs to be updated on how to better manage

any type of behavior issues othen than just " man-handling " him.

Behavior is always a form of communication. Nick is trying to

express something. He may not sit down with his mom or teacher and

say " hey it hurts my feelings to always get picked last, I am

embarassed that I am so small compared to my peers, I hate having

arthritis, shots, or meds. " His form of communication may be tears,

angry out-bursts, peforming poorly in school, sleeplessness, anxiety,

loss of appetite etc...

You need to really pursue this with the school and I think that a

school counselor, social worker etc..might help Nick to sort through

his feelings and learn how to express them in a way that is better

tolerated.

Let us know how things go with your meeting at the school.

(aundrea 11 systemic jra/gerd)

>

> Thank you to all who send me links etc about medications side

effects.

>

> the reason for me asking was Nick is having a tough time in school

> and I don't feel the school is handling things in the best

interests

> of my child.

>

> We were getting into a vicious cycle of every little thing he did

> wrong he was written up and given a behaviour plan. 5 of them since

> Mid Jan. and for silly reasons like " touching a sign, laughing in

> class.

>

> I have had my concerns about his IEP case worker/sp ed teacher for

> most of this year. My 12 years also saw her for his learning

> disabilities and he adored her up until this year. Something

changed

> and Zach was always coming home from school crying saying we was

> never going to class with this teacher again. I also started

> receiving calls from her telling me how disrespectful and

> agrumentative Zach was. Zach was moved to the other Sp ed teacher

and

> I have had nothing but glowing reports from her about how well

> manored and respectful he is. She is now telling me the exact same

> thing about .

>

> So back to last wednesday. Nick was in trouble, yet again in Gym (

he

> has a hard time in gym as hes the smallest and youngest and is

always

> picked last for teams. It hurts him.) He got into a argrument with

> another student and the gym teacher sent him down to his Sp ed

> teacher. Nick refused to go and got VERY upset.

>

> To make a long story short, and I don't know all the details yet. 4

> adults man-handled my 52lb child down to the office where he was

> pinned to the ground each adult holding down a limb and Nick spread

> eagled on the floor. They threatened to call the police. MY husband

> was called and went and got him. By the time he got there, Nick was

> sitting in a chair.

>

> We have a meeting with the principal, his sp/ed teacher, class

> teacher, the school pyhscologist and the district one next

Wednesday.

>

> I am convinced that they crossed the line. Nick was not a threat to

> anyone or any property. He has no history of being violent and

never

> has. I beleive they should have just waited until my husnband

arrived

> rather than man-handling him and then restaining him. they scared

him

> and he was just reacting to what they were doing to him. Surely

there

> are rules about this kind of behaviour. In my eyes they abused my

> child.

> Thankfully Nick is not showing any ill effects from this, he went

off

> to school happy as can be on Thursday ( friday was a holiday) I, on

> the other hand am now having what I think are panic attacks, I

> thought I was having a heart attack yesterday.

>

> Right now i am trying to collect all the info i can and want to be

> prepared for the meeting. Depending on what is said, i could take

> this further. As I said I dont know the whole story yet.

>

> So if anyone knows any rules etc about how teachers and school

> officals can handle Children, I am all ears.

>

> Thanks

> Helen and (9,systemic)

>

[Guest guest]

Helen,

Your state Dept of Education should have a special ed department. I'd give

them a call and ask for information. I'll do some digging, too, and see what

parent to parent resources are available. It might take a day or two, but

I'll get back to you.

Liz

_____

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf

Of hburger64

Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 1:07 P

Subject: Thank You for the info

Thank you to all who send me links etc about medications side effects.

the reason for me asking was Nick is having a tough time in school

and I don't feel the school is handling things in the best interests

of my child.

We were getting into a vicious cycle of every little thing he did

wrong he was written up and given a behaviour plan. 5 of them since

Mid Jan. and for silly reasons like " touching a sign, laughing in

class.

I have had my concerns about his IEP case worker/sp ed teacher for

most of this year. My 12 years also saw her for his learning

disabilities and he adored her up until this year. Something changed

and Zach was always coming home from school crying saying we was

never going to class with this teacher again. I also started

receiving calls from her telling me how disrespectful and

agrumentative Zach was. Zach was moved to the other Sp ed teacher and

I have had nothing but glowing reports from her about how well

manored and respectful he is. She is now telling me the exact same

thing about .

So back to last wednesday. Nick was in trouble, yet again in Gym ( he

has a hard time in gym as hes the smallest and youngest and is always

picked last for teams. It hurts him.) He got into a argrument with

another student and the gym teacher sent him down to his Sp ed

teacher. Nick refused to go and got VERY upset.

To make a long story short, and I don't know all the details yet. 4

adults man-handled my 52lb child down to the office where he was

pinned to the ground each adult holding down a limb and Nick spread

eagled on the floor. They threatened to call the police. MY husband

was called and went and got him. By the time he got there, Nick was

sitting in a chair.

We have a meeting with the principal, his sp/ed teacher, class

teacher, the school pyhscologist and the district one next Wednesday.

I am convinced that they crossed the line. Nick was not a threat to

anyone or any property. He has no history of being violent and never

has. I beleive they should have just waited until my husnband arrived

rather than man-handling him and then restaining him. they scared him

and he was just reacting to what they were doing to him. Surely there

are rules about this kind of behaviour. In my eyes they abused my

child.

Thankfully Nick is not showing any ill effects from this, he went off

to school happy as can be on Thursday ( friday was a holiday) I, on

the other hand am now having what I think are panic attacks, I

thought I was having a heart attack yesterday.

Right now i am trying to collect all the info i can and want to be

prepared for the meeting. Depending on what is said, i could take

this further. As I said I dont know the whole story yet.

So if anyone knows any rules etc about how teachers and school

officals can handle Children, I am all ears.

Thanks

Helen and (9,systemic)