OT: Microcrystalline Hydroxyapatite

[Guest guest]

Does anyone have any information or experience with Microcrystalline

Hydroxyapatite? My naturopath recommended a calcium product with this as

the source of calcium. She says it's well-absorbed--my latest bone density

scan showed a shift from severe osteopenia to osteoporosis--and that that

might make it unnecessary to go on Actonel which my allopathic doctors want

me to take. One concern I have is that it's made from Australian bovine

bone.

(RA 25+ years, AP since Nov. 97)

[Guest guest]

Hi ;

I am glad you brought up the topic of osteoporosis.Any info that you dig up

may help a frien of mine.Her's is so severe that when she had the flue last year

and sneezed

a lot she broke several bones.She is allergig to actonel anf fossomax and so far

is only taking a lot of calcium.She works in an old age home and it involves a

lot of

lifting.She can't afford to quit and is expecting to have more problems due to

her work. Lynne

Ken and wrote:

>

> Does anyone have any information or experience with Microcrystalline

> Hydroxyapatite? My naturopath recommended a calcium product with this as

> the source of calcium. She says it's well-absorbed--my latest bone density

> scan showed a shift from severe osteopenia to osteoporosis--and that that

> might make it unnecessary to go on Actonel which my allopathic doctors want

> me to take. One concern I have is that it's made from Australian bovine

> bone.

>

>

> (RA 25+ years, AP since Nov. 97)

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am taking 1000 mg of calcium and 500 mg of magnesium. What is the proper

balance between vitamin D, boron, and the calcium?

Ellen

rheumatic OT: Microcrystalline Hydroxyapatite

I hope she is taking more than lots of calcium. Potassium and magnesium

need to balance in ratio to calcium and Vit. D. Boron is very good for

bones, too.

> Hi ;

> I am glad you brought up the topic of osteoporosis.Any info that you

dig up may help a frien of mine.Her's is so severe that when she had the

flue last year and sneezed

> a lot she broke several bones.She is allergig to actonel anf fossomax and

so far is only taking a lot of calcium.She works in an old age home and it

involves a lot of

> lifting.She can't afford to quit and is expecting to have more problems

due to her work. Lynne

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[Guest guest]

....and potassium?

Ellen

rheumatic OT: Microcrystalline Hydroxyapatite

I hope she is taking more than lots of calcium. Potassium and magnesium

need to balance in ratio to calcium and Vit. D. Boron is very good for

bones, too.

> Hi ;

> I am glad you brought up the topic of osteoporosis.Any info that you

dig up may help a frien of mine.Her's is so severe that when she had the

flue last year and sneezed

> a lot she broke several bones.She is allergig to actonel anf fossomax and

so far is only taking a lot of calcium.She works in an old age home and it

involves a lot of

> lifting.She can't afford to quit and is expecting to have more problems

due to her work. Lynne

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Hi ! Geoff here.

You asked:

" Does anyone have any information or experience with Microcrystalline

Hydroxyapatite? My naturopath recommended a calcium product with this as the

source of calcium. She says it's well-absorbed--my latest bone density scan

showed a shift from severe osteopenia to osteoporosis--and that that might make

it unnecessary to go on Actonel which my allopathic doctors want me to take.

One concern I have is that it's made from Australian bovine bone. "

Yes.

MCHC (Microcrystalline Hydroxyapatite, AKA: Microcrystalline Hydroxylapatite,

AKA: MCHA) is actual bone, not just calcium. Bone matrix is made from many

different minerals, Ca is but one of them. Bone is an interesting material in

that it is can be used cross-species, e.g., bone of a lamb, once completely

sterilized, can be grafted into the human bone matrix.

Cold processed MCHC is uniquely bioavailable. It does not need to be combined

with, nor converted from, anything else to be come available to the body as

bone. It is instantly available and is instantly put to use strengthening bone.

In addition to calcium, MCHC contains organic factors that include bone-derived

growth factors, collagen protein, amino acids, as well as phosphorus, magnesium,

fluoride, zinc, silica, manganese, and other trace minerals—all in the same

proportions found in healthy bone. (courtesy:

http://www.ethicalnutrients.com/bonehealth.asp)

My mother was diagnosed with low bone density (osteopenia --

http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?osteopenia) a pre-cursor to

Osteoarthritis. Her bone density was borderline for OA and she started taking

Ethical Nutrients Bone Builder (in her case the BB w/Mg) forgoing Rx drugs. She

has been taking it for about several months and each time she is checked her

bone density shows significant improvement. This is far better than what one

reasonably expects from the Rx drugs. There are countless examples of other

people for whom this has happened as well. (http://www.smlnk.com/=^m ... click

resulting link, or if you prefer here is the full link which needs to be one

line:

http://www.integrativeinc.com/reviews/nutritional%20support%20of%20osteoporosis.\

pdf.

We will be placing a hyperlink to this paper on www.healingyou.org shortly.)

Not all MCHC is the same, how it is processed makes an extreme difference is

whether or not the body can use it or if it is just so much waste.

Cold-processing is a key. The MCHC from Ethical Nutrients (Bone Builder) and

Metagenics (CalMag) are the same product under different labels and are both

cold-processed. NF Formulas is also properly made and bears the name MCHA. If

interested, MCHC (MCHA) is available at discount from www.healingyou.org.

As to bone source, different companies use different sources. The New Zealand

Ministry of Agriculture ensures that cattle consume a vegetarian diet to remain

BSE (“Mad Cow Disease”)-free, thus lending assurance to the safety of bone from

NZ.

At some point one must consider the " odds " as there is no such thing as

" perfect. " I would not be (and am not, FWIW) about the bone used by NF Formulas

or Ethical Nutrients/Metagenics. Product I buy at the corner store because it

is " cheap " I would and do view askance.

HTH,

Geoff

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Hi Ellen! Geoff here.

You wrote:

" I am taking 1000 mg of calcium and 500 mg of magnesium. What is the proper

balance between vitamin D, boron, and the calcium? "

2:1, Ca:Mg. Boron is trace, i.e., measured in mcg (micrograms) v. mg

(milligrams), Vitamin D is used for many other things so it is not normally

" ratioed " with Ca, hopefully someone else will have better data than me on that.

FWIW, you don't have to worry about the " ratio " if you use MCHC. The " ratios "

are for assimilation and construction from the raw materials, e.g., Ca. MCHC is

already " assembled " , the body just puts it in the bone where it needs it, no

muss, no fuss, no waste.

Geoff

soli Deo gloria

www.HealingYou.org - Your nonprofit source for remedies and aids in fighting

these diseases, information on weaning from drugs, and nutritional kits for

repairing adrenal damage; 100% volunteer staffed.

(Courtesy: Captain Cook's www.800-800-cruise.com)

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" you don't have to worry about the " ratio " if you use MCHC "

Geoff, what is this?

Re: rheumatic OT: Microcrystalline Hydroxyapatite

Hi Ellen! Geoff here.

You wrote:

" I am taking 1000 mg of calcium and 500 mg of magnesium. What is the proper

balance between vitamin D, boron, and the calcium? "

2:1, Ca:Mg. Boron is trace, i.e., measured in mcg (micrograms) v. mg

(milligrams), Vitamin D is used for many other things so it is not normally

" ratioed " with Ca, hopefully someone else will have better data than me on

that.

FWIW, you don't have to worry about the " ratio " if you use MCHC. The " ratios "

are for assimilation and construction from the raw materials, e.g., Ca. MCHC

is

already " assembled " , the body just puts it in the bone where it needs it, no

muss, no fuss, no waste.

Geoff

soli Deo gloria

www.HealingYou.org - Your nonprofit source for remedies and aids in fighting

these diseases, information on weaning from drugs, and nutritional kits for

repairing adrenal damage; 100% volunteer staffed.

(Courtesy: Captain Cook's www.800-800-cruise.com)

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The ratios you asked about, i.e., how much:

a.. Calcium to Magnesium (2:1)

b.. Calcium to Boron (est 2 mg :1 mcg)

c.. Calcium to Vitamin D (duh, I dunno... )

If you use Microcrystalline Hydroxyapatite, AKA: MCHC, brands: Ethical Nutrients

Bone Builder, Metagenics CalMag, NF Formulas MCHA instead of messing around with

calcium and magnesium and boron and all that other stuff, the ratio are

automatically correct because it is actual real bone, not miscellaneous loose

stuff the body has to assemble into bone.

Geoff

Re: rheumatic OT: Microcrystalline Hydroxyapatite

Hi Ellen! Geoff here.

You wrote:

" I am taking 1000 mg of calcium and 500 mg of magnesium. What is the proper

balance between vitamin D, boron, and the calcium? "

2:1, Ca:Mg. Boron is trace, i.e., measured in mcg (micrograms) v. mg

(milligrams), Vitamin D is used for many other things so it is not normally

" ratioed " with Ca, hopefully someone else will have better data than me on

that.

FWIW, you don't have to worry about the " ratio " if you use MCHC. The

" ratios "

are for assimilation and construction from the raw materials, e.g., Ca.

MCHC is

already " assembled " , the body just puts it in the bone where it needs it, no

muss, no fuss, no waste.

Geoff

soli Deo gloria

www.HealingYou.org - Your nonprofit source for remedies and aids in fighting

these diseases, information on weaning from drugs, and nutritional kits for

repairing adrenal damage; 100% volunteer staffed.

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