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welcome to the group so gad to have you with us you will love it here. Eva

Hi all,I am a recovering/relapsing bulimic who is desperately searching for help. I am a chronic dieter and have not lived a single day without thinking and obsessing about my food probably since Im 8 years old. Whats most unfortunate is that I dont have anything to show up for it as I am overweight.I dont know anything about this program but the idea of learning to eat intuitively sounds miraculous although extremely far fetched. ------------------------------------

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> Hi all,

>

> I am a recovering/relapsing bulimic who is desperately searching for help. I

am a chronic dieter and have not lived a single day without thinking and

obsessing about my food probably since Im 8 years old. Whats most unfortunate is

that I dont have anything to show up for it as I am overweight.

> I dont know anything about this program but the idea of learning to eat

intuitively sounds miraculous although extremely far fetched.

>

welcome to the group. there are a lot of helpful people here. i am also

recovering/relapsing with EDs. do you have the IE book?

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> > Hi all,

> >

> > I am a recovering/relapsing bulimic who is desperately searching for help. I

am a chronic dieter and have not lived a single day without thinking and

obsessing about my food probably since Im 8 years old. Whats most unfortunate is

that I dont have anything to show up for it as I am overweight.

> > I dont know anything about this program but the idea of learning to eat

intuitively sounds miraculous although extremely far fetched.

> >

> welcome to the group. there are a lot of helpful people here. i am also

recovering/relapsing with EDs. do you have the IE book?

>

Thanks:) I dont have the book. I have read so many books on recovery its like Im

burned out. I know all the rules, I just dont know how to apply it....

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>Thanks for the warm welcome. I really hope I find what I need here.

> welcome to the group so gad to have you with us you will love it here. Eva

>

>

> In a message dated 7/28/2009 10:02:58 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

> estykepecs@... writes:

>

> Hi all,

>

> I am a recovering/relapsing bulimic who is desperately searching for help.

> I am a chronic dieter and have not lived a single day without thinking and

> obsessing about my food probably since Im 8 years old. Whats most

> unfortunate is that I dont have anything to show up for it as I am

overweight.

> I dont know anything about this program but the idea of learning to eat

> intuitively sounds miraculous although extremely far fetched.

>

>

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Well, IE isn't about rules, so you thinking it is probably like all the " others "

may not be accurate. I know it's nothing like I've read before (although

everything I've read before has been about rules, etc., not about learning to

listen to my own intutive sense and making decision based almost completely on

that alone.) :-)

Warrior

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > > I am a recovering/relapsing bulimic who is desperately searching for help.

I am a chronic dieter and have not lived a single day without thinking and

obsessing about my food probably since Im 8 years old. Whats most unfortunate is

that I dont have anything to show up for it as I am overweight.

> > > I dont know anything about this program but the idea of learning to eat

intuitively sounds miraculous although extremely far fetched.

> > >

> > welcome to the group. there are a lot of helpful people here. i am also

recovering/relapsing with EDs. do you have the IE book?

> >

> Thanks:) I dont have the book. I have read so many books on recovery its like

Im burned out. I know all the rules, I just dont know how to apply it....

>

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> > > >

> > > > Hi all,

> > > >

> > > > I am a recovering/relapsing bulimic who is desperately searching for

help. I am a chronic dieter and have not lived a single day without thinking and

obsessing about my food probably since Im 8 years old. Whats most unfortunate is

that I dont have anything to show up for it as I am overweight.

> > > > I dont know anything about this program but the idea of learning to eat

intuitively sounds miraculous although extremely far fetched.

> > > >

> > > welcome to the group. there are a lot of helpful people here. i am also

recovering/relapsing with EDs. do you have the IE book?

> > >

> > Thanks:) I dont have the book. I have read so many books on recovery its

like Im burned out. I know all the rules, I just dont know how to apply it....

> >

>

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The problem with rules are that these end up being something not only EXternal

in input, but also really temporary - working ONLY as long as you 'follow' them.

Suggestions for meaningful changes that can serve you to reunite with your

INternal needs/drives FOREVER is hopefully what you can find here instead.

Best to you - Katcha

> >What I am looking for are rules or better yet guidelines on how to eat

intuitively and shut up the voices in head!!!

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> > welcome to the group. there are a lot of helpful people here. i am also

recovering/relapsing with EDs. do you have the IE book?

> >

> Thanks:) I dont have the book. I have read so many books on recovery its like

Im burned out. I know all the rules, I just dont know how to apply it....

>

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I too have gotten burned out on self help books. Be patient with yourself.

I am trying to live in " the grey. " It used to be black or white for me - all or

nothing. Total rigid diet or total overeating. I guess a way of describing

Intuitive Eating is like it's on a different " plane " of thinking - it's trusting

that it will work and then taking that leap!

Did you ever see the movie the Matrix? This process sort of reminds me of that

movie. It was only until Neo trusted that he was " the one " that he could leap

from building to building without falling.

It is so very scary to trust that this process works after years of failure for

me. I can say that I am starting to believe that there is another life beyone

the " diet matrix! "

So glad you're here........

Deb

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> > > welcome to the group. there are a lot of helpful people here. i am also

recovering/relapsing with EDs. do you have the IE book?

> > >

> > Thanks:) I dont have the book. I have read so many books on recovery its

like Im burned out. I know all the rules, I just dont know how to apply it....

> >

> ------------------------------

>

> I too have gotten burned out on self help books. Be patient with yourself.

>

> I am trying to live in " the grey. " It used to be black or white for me - all

or nothing. Total rigid diet or total overeating. I guess a way of describing

Intuitive Eating is like it's on a different " plane " of thinking - it's trusting

that it will work and then taking that leap!

>

> Did you ever see the movie the Matrix? This process sort of reminds me of

that movie. It was only until Neo trusted that he was " the one " that he could

leap from building to building without falling.

>

> It is so very scary to trust that this process works after years of failure

for me. I can say that I am starting to believe that there is another life

beyone the " diet matrix! "

>

> So glad you're here........

>

> Deb

>---------------------------------

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Thanks:)

Thats my problem. I live in a world of black and white. I feel like only a

hypnotist can undo that way of thinking for me. Does reading the book help in

reversing such a stubborn mindset?

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> I would give my all to learn to live without these rules!!!

--------------------------------

> > >What I am looking for are rules or better yet guidelines on how to eat

intuitively and shut up the voices in head!!!

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YES, the 'Intuitive Eating' book, chapter 8 ( " Challenge the Food Police " ), can

greatly help you reverse my stubborn 'diet' mindset. Do you have the IE book? If

you have the book, but haven't begun to read it, maybe you could just read

chapter 8, to see how they deal with changing mindsets (beliefs about dieting).

That chapter may inspire you to read or reread the rest of the book.

I would also recommend 2 books by Koenig who explains how to change

beliefs which influence our eating behaviors:

(1) " Rules of Normal Eating " (which actually describes what behaviors help

normal eaters eat intuitively, rather than propose hard and fast rules);

(2) " Food and Feelings Workbook " (which helped me learn to identify and cope

with emotions, rather than eat to comfort myself or distract myself from painful

feelings).

SUE

> Thanks:)

> Thats my problem. I live in a world of black and white. I feel like only a

hypnotist can undo that way of thinking for me. Does reading the book help in

reversing such a stubborn mindset?

>

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I know you didn't specifically ask me this question, so I hope you don't mind me

answering too ;-) Yes, reading the book will help. You have to be willing that

it won't come all at once, and that you'll put the time in necessary to be able

to see changes that come only it time. You have to be willing to surrender your

old ideas and be brave and step out in new ideas. It's weird at first. Also, I

personally have had a lot of success at my black or white thinking getting much,

much better through therapy (cognitive therapy I think it's called.) But it's

the thing that has really helped me be able to change my thinking and things

about myself that I never thought I could. (like being an intuitive eater.) I

am a huge fan of therapy.

Warrior

> >

> > > > welcome to the group. there are a lot of helpful people here. i am also

recovering/relapsing with EDs. do you have the IE book?

> > > >

> > > Thanks:) I dont have the book. I have read so many books on recovery its

like Im burned out. I know all the rules, I just dont know how to apply it....

> > >

> > ------------------------------

> >

> > I too have gotten burned out on self help books. Be patient with yourself.

> >

> > I am trying to live in " the grey. " It used to be black or white for me -

all or nothing. Total rigid diet or total overeating. I guess a way of

describing Intuitive Eating is like it's on a different " plane " of thinking -

it's trusting that it will work and then taking that leap!

> >

> > Did you ever see the movie the Matrix? This process sort of reminds me of

that movie. It was only until Neo trusted that he was " the one " that he could

leap from building to building without falling.

> >

> > It is so very scary to trust that this process works after years of failure

for me. I can say that I am starting to believe that there is another life

beyone the " diet matrix! "

> >

> > So glad you're here........

> >

> > Deb

> >---------------------------------

> --------------------------------------

>

> Thanks:)

> Thats my problem. I live in a world of black and white. I feel like only a

hypnotist can undo that way of thinking for me. Does reading the book help in

reversing such a stubborn mindset?

>

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> Thanks:)

> Thats my problem. I live in a world of black and white. I feel like only a

hypnotist can undo that way of thinking for me. Does reading the book help in

reversing such a stubborn mindset?

>

_____________________

I feel the same way sometimes. But I'm having more " grey " days than black and

white days. Before IE, I recognized my black and white mentality and realized

that the dieting/bingeing life that I lived will never serve me and never did.

To undo the old way of thinking that has been engrained in me is taking time.

It has been helpful to have my dietician remind me that these old habits may

re-appear but it's so very important to focus on the tiniest tidbits of

progress! I really have no other choice - 30 years of my old behaviors have

left me 100 pounds overweight. So, I give up on my old way of thinking.

I am a perfectionist! This is not easy.

My latest experiment with foods that I never considered eating before is yogurt.

I always equate sugar/fat free yogurt with dieting. So I decided to try yogurt

with sugar and with fat! Go figure, right? What dieter chooses this over the

other? So I'm finding that I actually kind of like the yogurt with fat and

sugar and I'm finding that I'm actually wanting it.

And what happens is once I eat it, I find it very satisfying - which soothes my

mind and soul as well as my stomach. Something so soothing is very satisfying.

And that peace that comes with the satisfaction has no room for overeating.

That peace and satisfaction can only be felt if I PAY CLOSE ATTENTION to how

it's making me FEEL. Then knowing that I can have 10 more if I like removes the

panic of wanting more. Once I've given myself PERMISSION, 1 yogurt or 1/2 a

yogurt is often enough.

The key to all this (in my opinion of course!) is slowing down, and paying

attention to the entire eating process. Here is what the mantra in my head

says:

Hmmmm, is my body hungry? It has been 4 hours since I ate so I must be hungry.

Hmmmm, what would I like for lunch? Deb, yes I know a salad with grilled

chicken might be healthier but come on now, will it satisfy you? No. Will you

end up overeating later because of that choice? Probably. Okay, hmmmmm, how

about this? Okay, YES! But I'm scared - it's fried. Oh shit, this is so hard!

Ok, shhhhhhhhhhh, trust.......it's no longer about the food police ordering me

around. TRUST that I have my own inner guide that once I get over this

experimentation process, it will ultimately lead me to what is truly needed in

my body.

I have to TRUST, TRUST, TRUST my-SELF! Be still and know.........

Deb

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Deb, I love how you showed the dialogue you had with yourself.  That was really comforting and re-affirming to me.  I have been having similar internal conversations the past few days after reading a chapter in the When Women Stop Hating Their Bodies book that says eating when you are hungry is not only ok, but an act of self-nurture.  When I was looking at every time I was hungry as OK (and not problematic or annoying because now I have to think about food again), but instead an opportunity to take care of myself and self-nurture, it is really helping me this past week.

I also love that you discovered better yogurt.  I buy really high-quality yogurt and interestingly my kids won't eat anything else, because they are listening to their bodies and can tell the difference.  Lately, I've even been thinking about making my own yogurt.  I remember once as a little kid making yogurt in girl scouts (this was before all the dieting part of my life), and it was so incredibly delicious, that I remember that day as though it were yesterday, and I still remember the taste!  I love seeing how many doors open up once we leave the food police behind.  I just loved reading your email and seeing the joy shine through.

 

My latest experiment with foods that I never considered eating before is yogurt. I always equate sugar/fat free yogurt with dieting. So I decided to try yogurt with sugar and with fat! Go figure, right? What dieter chooses this over the other? So I'm finding that I actually kind of like the yogurt with fat and sugar and I'm finding that I'm actually wanting it.

And what happens is once I eat it, I find it very satisfying - which soothes my mind and soul as well as my stomach. Something so soothing is very satisfying. And that peace that comes with the satisfaction has no room for overeating. That peace and satisfaction can only be felt if I PAY CLOSE ATTENTION to how it's making me FEEL. Then knowing that I can have 10 more if I like removes the panic of wanting more. Once I've given myself PERMISSION, 1 yogurt or 1/2 a yogurt is often enough.

The key to all this (in my opinion of course!) is slowing down, and paying attention to the entire eating process. Here is what the mantra in my head says:

Hmmmm, is my body hungry? It has been 4 hours since I ate so I must be hungry. Hmmmm, what would I like for lunch? Deb, yes I know a salad with grilled chicken might be healthier but come on now, will it satisfy you? No. Will you end up overeating later because of that choice? Probably. Okay, hmmmmm, how about this? Okay, YES! But I'm scared - it's fried. Oh shit, this is so hard! Ok, shhhhhhhhhhh, trust.......it's no longer about the food police ordering me around. TRUST that I have my own inner guide that once I get over this experimentation process, it will ultimately lead me to what is truly needed in my body.

I have to TRUST, TRUST, TRUST my-SELF! Be still and know.........

Deb

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Yhanks for posting this.

Warrior

>

>

> > Thanks:)

> > Thats my problem. I live in a world of black and white. I feel like only a

hypnotist can undo that way of thinking for me. Does reading the book help in

reversing such a stubborn mindset?

> >

> _____________________

>

> I feel the same way sometimes. But I'm having more " grey " days than black and

white days. Before IE, I recognized my black and white mentality and realized

that the dieting/bingeing life that I lived will never serve me and never did.

To undo the old way of thinking that has been engrained in me is taking time.

It has been helpful to have my dietician remind me that these old habits may

re-appear but it's so very important to focus on the tiniest tidbits of

progress! I really have no other choice - 30 years of my old behaviors have

left me 100 pounds overweight. So, I give up on my old way of thinking.

>

> I am a perfectionist! This is not easy.

>

> My latest experiment with foods that I never considered eating before is

yogurt. I always equate sugar/fat free yogurt with dieting. So I decided to

try yogurt with sugar and with fat! Go figure, right? What dieter chooses this

over the other? So I'm finding that I actually kind of like the yogurt with fat

and sugar and I'm finding that I'm actually wanting it.

>

> And what happens is once I eat it, I find it very satisfying - which soothes

my mind and soul as well as my stomach. Something so soothing is very

satisfying. And that peace that comes with the satisfaction has no room for

overeating. That peace and satisfaction can only be felt if I PAY CLOSE

ATTENTION to how it's making me FEEL. Then knowing that I can have 10 more if I

like removes the panic of wanting more. Once I've given myself PERMISSION, 1

yogurt or 1/2 a yogurt is often enough.

>

> The key to all this (in my opinion of course!) is slowing down, and paying

attention to the entire eating process. Here is what the mantra in my head

says:

>

> Hmmmm, is my body hungry? It has been 4 hours since I ate so I must be

hungry. Hmmmm, what would I like for lunch? Deb, yes I know a salad with

grilled chicken might be healthier but come on now, will it satisfy you? No.

Will you end up overeating later because of that choice? Probably. Okay,

hmmmmm, how about this? Okay, YES! But I'm scared - it's fried. Oh shit, this

is so hard! Ok, shhhhhhhhhhh, trust.......it's no longer about the food police

ordering me around. TRUST that I have my own inner guide that once I get over

this experimentation process, it will ultimately lead me to what is truly needed

in my body.

>

> I have to TRUST, TRUST, TRUST my-SELF! Be still and know.........

>

> Deb

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> > Thanks:)

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hypnotist can undo that way of thinking for me. Does reading the book help in

reversing such a stubborn mindset?

> >

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