Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 welcome to the group so gad to have you with us you will love it here. Eva Hi all,I am a recovering/relapsing bulimic who is desperately searching for help. I am a chronic dieter and have not lived a single day without thinking and obsessing about my food probably since Im 8 years old. Whats most unfortunate is that I dont have anything to show up for it as I am overweight.I dont know anything about this program but the idea of learning to eat intuitively sounds miraculous although extremely far fetched. ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 > > Hi all, > > I am a recovering/relapsing bulimic who is desperately searching for help. I am a chronic dieter and have not lived a single day without thinking and obsessing about my food probably since Im 8 years old. Whats most unfortunate is that I dont have anything to show up for it as I am overweight. > I dont know anything about this program but the idea of learning to eat intuitively sounds miraculous although extremely far fetched. > welcome to the group. there are a lot of helpful people here. i am also recovering/relapsing with EDs. do you have the IE book? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 > > > > Hi all, > > > > I am a recovering/relapsing bulimic who is desperately searching for help. I am a chronic dieter and have not lived a single day without thinking and obsessing about my food probably since Im 8 years old. Whats most unfortunate is that I dont have anything to show up for it as I am overweight. > > I dont know anything about this program but the idea of learning to eat intuitively sounds miraculous although extremely far fetched. > > > welcome to the group. there are a lot of helpful people here. i am also recovering/relapsing with EDs. do you have the IE book? > Thanks:) I dont have the book. I have read so many books on recovery its like Im burned out. I know all the rules, I just dont know how to apply it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 >Thanks for the warm welcome. I really hope I find what I need here. > welcome to the group so gad to have you with us you will love it here. Eva > > > In a message dated 7/28/2009 10:02:58 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > estykepecs@... writes: > > Hi all, > > I am a recovering/relapsing bulimic who is desperately searching for help. > I am a chronic dieter and have not lived a single day without thinking and > obsessing about my food probably since Im 8 years old. Whats most > unfortunate is that I dont have anything to show up for it as I am overweight. > I dont know anything about this program but the idea of learning to eat > intuitively sounds miraculous although extremely far fetched. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Well, IE isn't about rules, so you thinking it is probably like all the " others " may not be accurate. I know it's nothing like I've read before (although everything I've read before has been about rules, etc., not about learning to listen to my own intutive sense and making decision based almost completely on that alone.) :-) Warrior > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I am a recovering/relapsing bulimic who is desperately searching for help. I am a chronic dieter and have not lived a single day without thinking and obsessing about my food probably since Im 8 years old. Whats most unfortunate is that I dont have anything to show up for it as I am overweight. > > > I dont know anything about this program but the idea of learning to eat intuitively sounds miraculous although extremely far fetched. > > > > > welcome to the group. there are a lot of helpful people here. i am also recovering/relapsing with EDs. do you have the IE book? > > > Thanks:) I dont have the book. I have read so many books on recovery its like Im burned out. I know all the rules, I just dont know how to apply it.... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I am a recovering/relapsing bulimic who is desperately searching for help. I am a chronic dieter and have not lived a single day without thinking and obsessing about my food probably since Im 8 years old. Whats most unfortunate is that I dont have anything to show up for it as I am overweight. > > > > I dont know anything about this program but the idea of learning to eat intuitively sounds miraculous although extremely far fetched. > > > > > > > welcome to the group. there are a lot of helpful people here. i am also recovering/relapsing with EDs. do you have the IE book? > > > > > Thanks:) I dont have the book. I have read so many books on recovery its like Im burned out. I know all the rules, I just dont know how to apply it.... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 The problem with rules are that these end up being something not only EXternal in input, but also really temporary - working ONLY as long as you 'follow' them. Suggestions for meaningful changes that can serve you to reunite with your INternal needs/drives FOREVER is hopefully what you can find here instead. Best to you - Katcha > >What I am looking for are rules or better yet guidelines on how to eat intuitively and shut up the voices in head!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 > > welcome to the group. there are a lot of helpful people here. i am also recovering/relapsing with EDs. do you have the IE book? > > > Thanks:) I dont have the book. I have read so many books on recovery its like Im burned out. I know all the rules, I just dont know how to apply it.... > ------------------------------ I too have gotten burned out on self help books. Be patient with yourself. I am trying to live in " the grey. " It used to be black or white for me - all or nothing. Total rigid diet or total overeating. I guess a way of describing Intuitive Eating is like it's on a different " plane " of thinking - it's trusting that it will work and then taking that leap! Did you ever see the movie the Matrix? This process sort of reminds me of that movie. It was only until Neo trusted that he was " the one " that he could leap from building to building without falling. It is so very scary to trust that this process works after years of failure for me. I can say that I am starting to believe that there is another life beyone the " diet matrix! " So glad you're here........ Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 > > > > welcome to the group. there are a lot of helpful people here. i am also recovering/relapsing with EDs. do you have the IE book? > > > > > Thanks:) I dont have the book. I have read so many books on recovery its like Im burned out. I know all the rules, I just dont know how to apply it.... > > > ------------------------------ > > I too have gotten burned out on self help books. Be patient with yourself. > > I am trying to live in " the grey. " It used to be black or white for me - all or nothing. Total rigid diet or total overeating. I guess a way of describing Intuitive Eating is like it's on a different " plane " of thinking - it's trusting that it will work and then taking that leap! > > Did you ever see the movie the Matrix? This process sort of reminds me of that movie. It was only until Neo trusted that he was " the one " that he could leap from building to building without falling. > > It is so very scary to trust that this process works after years of failure for me. I can say that I am starting to believe that there is another life beyone the " diet matrix! " > > So glad you're here........ > > Deb >--------------------------------- -------------------------------------- Thanks:) Thats my problem. I live in a world of black and white. I feel like only a hypnotist can undo that way of thinking for me. Does reading the book help in reversing such a stubborn mindset? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 > I would give my all to learn to live without these rules!!! -------------------------------- > > >What I am looking for are rules or better yet guidelines on how to eat intuitively and shut up the voices in head!!! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 YES, the 'Intuitive Eating' book, chapter 8 ( " Challenge the Food Police " ), can greatly help you reverse my stubborn 'diet' mindset. Do you have the IE book? If you have the book, but haven't begun to read it, maybe you could just read chapter 8, to see how they deal with changing mindsets (beliefs about dieting). That chapter may inspire you to read or reread the rest of the book. I would also recommend 2 books by Koenig who explains how to change beliefs which influence our eating behaviors: (1) " Rules of Normal Eating " (which actually describes what behaviors help normal eaters eat intuitively, rather than propose hard and fast rules); (2) " Food and Feelings Workbook " (which helped me learn to identify and cope with emotions, rather than eat to comfort myself or distract myself from painful feelings). SUE > Thanks:) > Thats my problem. I live in a world of black and white. I feel like only a hypnotist can undo that way of thinking for me. Does reading the book help in reversing such a stubborn mindset? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 I know you didn't specifically ask me this question, so I hope you don't mind me answering too ;-) Yes, reading the book will help. You have to be willing that it won't come all at once, and that you'll put the time in necessary to be able to see changes that come only it time. You have to be willing to surrender your old ideas and be brave and step out in new ideas. It's weird at first. Also, I personally have had a lot of success at my black or white thinking getting much, much better through therapy (cognitive therapy I think it's called.) But it's the thing that has really helped me be able to change my thinking and things about myself that I never thought I could. (like being an intuitive eater.) I am a huge fan of therapy. Warrior > > > > > > welcome to the group. there are a lot of helpful people here. i am also recovering/relapsing with EDs. do you have the IE book? > > > > > > > Thanks:) I dont have the book. I have read so many books on recovery its like Im burned out. I know all the rules, I just dont know how to apply it.... > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > I too have gotten burned out on self help books. Be patient with yourself. > > > > I am trying to live in " the grey. " It used to be black or white for me - all or nothing. Total rigid diet or total overeating. I guess a way of describing Intuitive Eating is like it's on a different " plane " of thinking - it's trusting that it will work and then taking that leap! > > > > Did you ever see the movie the Matrix? This process sort of reminds me of that movie. It was only until Neo trusted that he was " the one " that he could leap from building to building without falling. > > > > It is so very scary to trust that this process works after years of failure for me. I can say that I am starting to believe that there is another life beyone the " diet matrix! " > > > > So glad you're here........ > > > > Deb > >--------------------------------- > -------------------------------------- > > Thanks:) > Thats my problem. I live in a world of black and white. I feel like only a hypnotist can undo that way of thinking for me. Does reading the book help in reversing such a stubborn mindset? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 > Thanks:) > Thats my problem. I live in a world of black and white. I feel like only a hypnotist can undo that way of thinking for me. Does reading the book help in reversing such a stubborn mindset? > _____________________ I feel the same way sometimes. But I'm having more " grey " days than black and white days. Before IE, I recognized my black and white mentality and realized that the dieting/bingeing life that I lived will never serve me and never did. To undo the old way of thinking that has been engrained in me is taking time. It has been helpful to have my dietician remind me that these old habits may re-appear but it's so very important to focus on the tiniest tidbits of progress! I really have no other choice - 30 years of my old behaviors have left me 100 pounds overweight. So, I give up on my old way of thinking. I am a perfectionist! This is not easy. My latest experiment with foods that I never considered eating before is yogurt. I always equate sugar/fat free yogurt with dieting. So I decided to try yogurt with sugar and with fat! Go figure, right? What dieter chooses this over the other? So I'm finding that I actually kind of like the yogurt with fat and sugar and I'm finding that I'm actually wanting it. And what happens is once I eat it, I find it very satisfying - which soothes my mind and soul as well as my stomach. Something so soothing is very satisfying. And that peace that comes with the satisfaction has no room for overeating. That peace and satisfaction can only be felt if I PAY CLOSE ATTENTION to how it's making me FEEL. Then knowing that I can have 10 more if I like removes the panic of wanting more. Once I've given myself PERMISSION, 1 yogurt or 1/2 a yogurt is often enough. The key to all this (in my opinion of course!) is slowing down, and paying attention to the entire eating process. Here is what the mantra in my head says: Hmmmm, is my body hungry? It has been 4 hours since I ate so I must be hungry. Hmmmm, what would I like for lunch? Deb, yes I know a salad with grilled chicken might be healthier but come on now, will it satisfy you? No. Will you end up overeating later because of that choice? Probably. Okay, hmmmmm, how about this? Okay, YES! But I'm scared - it's fried. Oh shit, this is so hard! Ok, shhhhhhhhhhh, trust.......it's no longer about the food police ordering me around. TRUST that I have my own inner guide that once I get over this experimentation process, it will ultimately lead me to what is truly needed in my body. I have to TRUST, TRUST, TRUST my-SELF! Be still and know......... Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Deb, I love how you showed the dialogue you had with yourself. That was really comforting and re-affirming to me. I have been having similar internal conversations the past few days after reading a chapter in the When Women Stop Hating Their Bodies book that says eating when you are hungry is not only ok, but an act of self-nurture. When I was looking at every time I was hungry as OK (and not problematic or annoying because now I have to think about food again), but instead an opportunity to take care of myself and self-nurture, it is really helping me this past week. I also love that you discovered better yogurt. I buy really high-quality yogurt and interestingly my kids won't eat anything else, because they are listening to their bodies and can tell the difference. Lately, I've even been thinking about making my own yogurt. I remember once as a little kid making yogurt in girl scouts (this was before all the dieting part of my life), and it was so incredibly delicious, that I remember that day as though it were yesterday, and I still remember the taste! I love seeing how many doors open up once we leave the food police behind. I just loved reading your email and seeing the joy shine through.  My latest experiment with foods that I never considered eating before is yogurt. I always equate sugar/fat free yogurt with dieting. So I decided to try yogurt with sugar and with fat! Go figure, right? What dieter chooses this over the other? So I'm finding that I actually kind of like the yogurt with fat and sugar and I'm finding that I'm actually wanting it. And what happens is once I eat it, I find it very satisfying - which soothes my mind and soul as well as my stomach. Something so soothing is very satisfying. And that peace that comes with the satisfaction has no room for overeating. That peace and satisfaction can only be felt if I PAY CLOSE ATTENTION to how it's making me FEEL. Then knowing that I can have 10 more if I like removes the panic of wanting more. Once I've given myself PERMISSION, 1 yogurt or 1/2 a yogurt is often enough. The key to all this (in my opinion of course!) is slowing down, and paying attention to the entire eating process. Here is what the mantra in my head says: Hmmmm, is my body hungry? It has been 4 hours since I ate so I must be hungry. Hmmmm, what would I like for lunch? Deb, yes I know a salad with grilled chicken might be healthier but come on now, will it satisfy you? No. Will you end up overeating later because of that choice? Probably. Okay, hmmmmm, how about this? Okay, YES! But I'm scared - it's fried. Oh shit, this is so hard! Ok, shhhhhhhhhhh, trust.......it's no longer about the food police ordering me around. TRUST that I have my own inner guide that once I get over this experimentation process, it will ultimately lead me to what is truly needed in my body. I have to TRUST, TRUST, TRUST my-SELF! Be still and know......... Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Yhanks for posting this. Warrior > > > > Thanks:) > > Thats my problem. I live in a world of black and white. I feel like only a hypnotist can undo that way of thinking for me. Does reading the book help in reversing such a stubborn mindset? > > > _____________________ > > I feel the same way sometimes. But I'm having more " grey " days than black and white days. Before IE, I recognized my black and white mentality and realized that the dieting/bingeing life that I lived will never serve me and never did. To undo the old way of thinking that has been engrained in me is taking time. It has been helpful to have my dietician remind me that these old habits may re-appear but it's so very important to focus on the tiniest tidbits of progress! I really have no other choice - 30 years of my old behaviors have left me 100 pounds overweight. So, I give up on my old way of thinking. > > I am a perfectionist! This is not easy. > > My latest experiment with foods that I never considered eating before is yogurt. I always equate sugar/fat free yogurt with dieting. So I decided to try yogurt with sugar and with fat! Go figure, right? What dieter chooses this over the other? So I'm finding that I actually kind of like the yogurt with fat and sugar and I'm finding that I'm actually wanting it. > > And what happens is once I eat it, I find it very satisfying - which soothes my mind and soul as well as my stomach. Something so soothing is very satisfying. And that peace that comes with the satisfaction has no room for overeating. That peace and satisfaction can only be felt if I PAY CLOSE ATTENTION to how it's making me FEEL. Then knowing that I can have 10 more if I like removes the panic of wanting more. Once I've given myself PERMISSION, 1 yogurt or 1/2 a yogurt is often enough. > > The key to all this (in my opinion of course!) is slowing down, and paying attention to the entire eating process. Here is what the mantra in my head says: > > Hmmmm, is my body hungry? It has been 4 hours since I ate so I must be hungry. Hmmmm, what would I like for lunch? Deb, yes I know a salad with grilled chicken might be healthier but come on now, will it satisfy you? No. Will you end up overeating later because of that choice? Probably. Okay, hmmmmm, how about this? Okay, YES! But I'm scared - it's fried. Oh shit, this is so hard! Ok, shhhhhhhhhhh, trust.......it's no longer about the food police ordering me around. TRUST that I have my own inner guide that once I get over this experimentation process, it will ultimately lead me to what is truly needed in my body. > > I have to TRUST, TRUST, TRUST my-SELF! Be still and know......... > > Deb > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 > > > Thanks:) > > Thats my problem. I live in a world of black and white. I feel like only a hypnotist can undo that way of thinking for me. Does reading the book help in reversing such a stubborn mindset? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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