Re: BG response out of this world

[Guest guest]

> Sulablue, I think your problem is that you are treating all carbs

the

> same without taking into consideration the GI/GL of each food

item and

> your own personal reaction to each carb item. 5 grams of a

high GI carb

> will do more damage than 20 grams of a low GI food. I think

your beta

> cells are not fatigued but rather that your carb choices are

rebelling.

> V8 juice or for that matter most juices are not usually DM

friendly. Of

> course there is the YMMV thing but since your got a PP reading

that you

> did not like, you might be one of the type IIs who do not handle

juices

> well.

I'm currently following the Nutrisystem Nouris plan, which is low

glycemic. V-8 is allowed, but you're right, it could be that I just

can't handle the V-8. I plan on trying the same breakfast (I'm out

of what I had for dinner last night, and don't plan on ordering

more!) without the V-8, and possibly substituting a serving of

fresh fruit (apple, likely) for my fruit/veggie serving. We'll see how

that goes!

> You talk of lean ham and cheese with skim milk so you are

watching fat

> rather than carbs? You might consider going back to the

basics when

> making food choices and mixing up fats and carbs might stop

with better

> bg results.

Because my BG was already higher than I liked, so I opted not to

have a carb with my snack. I choose to eat lower-fat cuts of

meats and low-fat mozarella cheese as my options most of the

time for calorie considerations - I am trying to lose weight here.

When I do eat fats, I try to keep it from plant sources: nuts,

canola/soy oil, etc. In otherwords, unsaturated fats. When

choosing a salad dressing I use the " Lite Done Right " which is a

balance somewhere between the 'low carb' options (which

generally are only 1g of carb lower, and twice the price!) and the

full-fat versions. Sometimes I use the full-fat versions.

You said a basically low glycemic pasta came with your

> dinner. For many type IIs there is no such thing as a low

glycemic pasta

> and you might be one of those type IIs.

I think I can handle it in *MUCH SMALLER* portions. The pastas

that come in their lunch servings are all one of those

microwaveabe soup cup dishes, with meat and sauce mixed in -

easly 1/2 of the serving size of their dinner portions. I think I'll

keep any 'pasta' options to lunch!

> Regardless, I think, from the information you have provided, it

is your

> food choices that are causing your problems and not beta cell

fatigue.

Here's to hoping!

> Just my opinion

>

>

SulaBlue

[Guest guest]

Hi Cappie,

> One problem with a low " normal " temp is that when you do have a

> temp/slight fever--most medical places won't think that a 99 or

99,x is

> as high as it really is--I have to tell them I always run 97.4 &

then

> they ignore me anyway.

Yeah, been there and done that one, for sure. I hate it.

I'm taking an immunosuppressant drug for Crohn's disease and was

instructed to contact my physician (GI) in the event of a fever. When,

due to an obstructed kidney stone and related infection, my

temperature reached 100.7 and my pain became intractable despite

having taken every available oral narcotic in the house, I called my

GI as directed, reported to the ER, and was admitted to the hospital.

But, my GI was grouchy that I'd called. His new instruction is to call

only if my temperature exceeds 100.7. Does that sound like answer

analysis or what <g>?

Another of my physicians explains that fevers below 101 are generally

only a sign of dehydration and physicians shouldn't be bothered with

them. Similarly, he figures that the relatively mild dosages of

immunosuppresants given to Crohn's patients--about 1/2 the dosages

given transplantees--doesn't really increase susceptibility to, or

risk of, infections.

There's nothing so comforting as feeling cared for by your physicians

when you're ill....

Cheers,

[Guest guest]

Bill: perhaps you could report your temp as " 3 degrees above my normal "

I've done that & it sometimes gets an appropriate response.

At least I am not dealing with other life threatening diseases as you

are!

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 5/05 A1c: 5.3 = 111 mean glu

50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin

ALA/EPO, ALC, Vit C, Calc/mag,

low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 40 mg/coQ10 100mg, Enalapril 10 mg

5/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309)

5' tall /age 67,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

Hi SulaBlue,

> t could be that I just

> can't handle the V-8.

I seem to recall others reporting problems with V-8. I Googled the

topic and couldn't document my recollection. Nevertheless, I suspect

that you're on the right track. Obviously, that'd be much better news

than borken [that is, very broken] betas.

Cheers,

[Guest guest]

>

> I'm currently following the Nutrisystem Nouris plan, which is low

> glycemic. V-8 is allowed, but you're right, it could be that I just

> can't handle the V-8. I plan on trying the same breakfast (I'm out

> of what I had for dinner last night, and don't plan on ordering

> more!) without the V-8, and possibly substituting a serving of

> fresh fruit (apple, likely) for my fruit/veggie serving. We'll see how

> that goes!

>

I doubt it will be any different. It's still carbs. Just for one

breakfast, try substituting it with protein or fat - ham, cheese, egg

fish.

Cheers, Alan, T2 d & e

[Guest guest]

Hi Cappie,

> Bill: perhaps you could report your temp as " 3 degrees above my

normal "

> I've done that & it sometimes gets an appropriate response.

Yes, I've tried that. But, the communications or mental bandwidth--I

don't know which--on the other end of the line [that is, a nurse or

receptionist] hasn't yet been up to the challenge of interpreting such

a statement. I'll keep trying <g>....

> At least I am not dealing with other life threatening diseases as

you

> are!

Fortunately, neither Crohn's nor kidney stones generally threaten a

patient's life except in the most dire cicumstances, such as chronic

lack of treatment. Pain and misery: yes. But, death: no. And, of

course, in dire circumstances a mere paper cut can be fatal.

Hmm. That didn't come out just right. I was trying to be uplifting

<g>....

Cheers,,

[Guest guest]

>

> I've read that the source of 98.6 is a study that presented a mean

> value as an integer denoting a Celsius temperature. The decimal value

> appeared only on conversion to Fahrenheit. Since one Celsius degree is

> almost two Fahrenheit degrees, the author perhaps had in mind the

> equivalent of the Fahrenheit range 97.6 - 99.6, but that all got lost,

> as the story goes.

>

98.6 fahrenheit is exactly 37 degrees Celsius.

Cheers, Alan, T2 d & e, Australia

[Guest guest]

>

> 98.6 fahrenheit is exactly 37 degrees Celsius.

Thanks for doing the conversion. When converting by calculation, I can

never recall whether to add or subtract 32. So, I have to try the

calculation out on 212 Fahrenheit to see that I get 100 Celsius. Right

now, I'm too tired to work it out or find a web page to do it for me

<g>.

Anyway, that the Celsius value is an integer provides evidence

supporting the story I cited. But, isn't it kind of odd that many of

us have normal temperatures of 37.0 degrees Celsius rather than, say,

36.9 or 37.1 degrees Celsius? Perhaps not, if you're a creationist and

believe that the Creator pre-ordained the Celsius scale <g>. But,

absent empirical evidence for that hypothesis, I don't know whether to

believe the story or not.

Cheers,

[Guest guest]

Odd, really.

It's got a GI of 43, and a GL of 2.6. One would *THINK* this

would be ok.

I think I'm going to try *JUST* some V-8 one day (not today!) and

see how V-8 alone affects my BGs.

SulaBlue

> > t could be that I just

> > can't handle the V-8.

>

> I seem to recall others reporting problems with V-8. I Googled

the

> topic and couldn't document my recollection. Nevertheless, I

suspect

> that you're on the right track. Obviously, that'd be much better

news

> than borken [that is, very broken] betas.

>

> Cheers,

[Guest guest]

Now on the other hand, I have uniqueaphobia - my healthy temp is is 97.2 -

drives the doctors crazy when they get a reading of 98.6 and I tell them I have

a fever )

Barb

----- Original Message -----

> On the other hand, when I'm healthy, my temperature reads 98.6 on the

> dot.

Mine too, which just proves I'm boringly average. Or I have normothermia;

that sounds more interesting.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:44:20 -0000, " Bill "

wrote:

>

>>

>> 98.6 fahrenheit is exactly 37 degrees Celsius.

>

>Thanks for doing the conversion. When converting by calculation, I can

>never recall whether to add or subtract 32. So, I have to try the

>calculation out on 212 Fahrenheit to see that I get 100 Celsius. Right

>now, I'm too tired to work it out or find a web page to do it for me

Here's a method that is easier to remember and takes advantage of the

scales coinciding at -40.

Add 40 to the number.

if f->c, divide by 1.8

if c->f, multiply by 1.8

subtract 40.

" If the result will be larger, multiply, otherwise divide "

---

De Armond

See my website for my current email address

http://www.johngsbbq.com

Cleveland, Occupied TN

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

> Here's a method that is easier to remember and takes advantage of the

> scales coinciding at -40.

Oh, I like that! I don't think that my prematurely aging brain is

lively enough to be able to recall the procedure. But, knowing the

point of coincidence would make it easy to derive. I wish I'd been

taught it your way at the outset....

Thanks for the tip!

Cheers,

[Guest guest]

Sula: I hate to say this but that plan you are using is prob not really

very low carb I assume that the providers are using the basic medical

definitions of what diabetics " ought " to eat not what actual diabetics

under tight control really can eat. Just mo.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 5/05 A1c: 5.3 = 111 mean glu

50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin

ALA/EPO, ALC, Vit C, Calc/mag,

low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 40 mg/coQ10 100mg, Enalapril 10 mg

5/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309)

5' tall /age 67,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

The first PCP I used insulin with was also a nephrologist. He told me

that insulin is a potassium antagonist. It is the only explanation I

have for my hypokalemia that makes sense.

In a normal day's time, I will use an average of forty units of insulin

and take eleven, 11, potassium pills, 10MEQ each. My potassium blood

levels have not reached the top side of four in years, my diuretics have

been reduced to one low dose HCTZ daily, mostly to help my kidneys not

remove my calcium.

Years ago with no insulin and much higher levels of diuretics (idiopathic

edema) I was talking 20 MEQ daily.

Helen

[Guest guest]

Boy Vicki - I would give anything to be able to skip a meal and not notice it.

If I had been able to do that 10 years ago or 20 years ago or 30 years ago (nuf

said) I probably would have been a better weight. I always showed up early for

meals and certainly never missed one - just fasting for a blood test is torture.

I envy you being able to skip a meal and not feel deprived or even miss it. What

is your secret?

Barb in NH

Diabetes caused by Surgery

7.5 mg Glipizide daily

Low carb diet/not enough exercise

----- Original Message -----

Well, maybe that's just you. Over my 7+ years with diabetes, and

especially during the testing period with Ron, I often skipped meals and

felt no ill effects of any kind. Not even hunger -- I guess I'm one of

those lucky people who can skip a meal and (if I'm otherwise occupied)

not even notice that I'm hungry. The day of my surgery I skipped

breakfast, fasting for the procedure, then skipped lunch too because I

just didnt' feel like eating yet. I didn't start thinking about eating

till about 3 but I was busy so didn't actually get around to eating

anything till 4;15.

Of course, I wouldn't recommend skipping meals to any diabetic,

especially type 2s, but maybe it's different for type 1s. This type 1,

at least.

If you ever find your notes on the subject, I'd be interested in seeing

them.

Vicki

[Guest guest]

Well Bill, I know that I am feeling uplifted - I found someone who spends as

much time in the bathroom as I do - What a comfort

Barb in NH

Diabetes caused by Surgery

7.5 mg Glipizide daily

Low carb diet/not enough exercise

----- Original Message -----

Fortunately, neither Crohn's nor kidney stones generally threaten a

patient's life except in the most dire cicumstances, such as chronic

lack of treatment. Pain and misery: yes. But, death: no. And, of

course, in dire circumstances a mere paper cut can be fatal.

Hmm. That didn't come out just right. I was trying to be uplifting

<g>....

Cheers,,

[Guest guest]

Those figure apply to the 163ml can of V8 100 percent vegetable juice.

The figures are higher for larger serves and for other formulations.

Bea

" SulaBlue " wrote

> Odd, really.

>

> It's got a GI of 43, and a GL of 2.6. One would *THINK* this

> would be ok.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Barb and all,

> Well Bill, I know that I am feeling uplifted - I found someone who

spends as much time in the bathroom as I do - What a comfort

In that case, you might appreciate the next home improvement makeover

I plan: <http://members.fortunecity.com/bobbear4u/id63.htm>. I'm

saving up....

Cheers,

[Guest guest]

I have no idea. Just guess I was born that way, smile.

I know it's unusual - not only from the lists...I have at least one

nondiabetic friend who gets Really Cranky and Nasty when she doesn't eat

on time. I don't even like to be around her then!

Vicki

Re: BG response out of this world

> Boy Vicki - I would give anything to be able to skip a meal and not

> notice it. If I had been able to do that 10 years ago or 20 years ago

> or 30 years ago (nuf said) I probably would have been a better weight.

> I always showed up early for meals and certainly never missed one -

> just fasting for a blood test is torture. I envy you being able to

> skip a meal and not feel deprived or even miss it. What is your

> secret?

>

> Barb in NH

> Diabetes caused by Surgery

> 7.5 mg Glipizide daily

> Low carb diet/not enough exercise

>

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> Well, maybe that's just you. Over my 7+ years with diabetes, and

> especially during the testing period with Ron, I often skipped meals

> and

> felt no ill effects of any kind. Not even hunger -- I guess I'm one

> of

> those lucky people who can skip a meal and (if I'm otherwise

> occupied)

> not even notice that I'm hungry. The day of my surgery I skipped

> breakfast, fasting for the procedure, then skipped lunch too because

> I

> just didnt' feel like eating yet. I didn't start thinking about

> eating

> till about 3 but I was busy so didn't actually get around to eating

> anything till 4;15.

>

> Of course, I wouldn't recommend skipping meals to any diabetic,

> especially type 2s, but maybe it's different for type 1s. This type

> 1,

> at least.

>

> If you ever find your notes on the subject, I'd be interested in

> seeing

> them.

> Vicki

>

>

[Guest guest]

I want one of those!!!!!!! Gonna have to start saving my pennies - heck -

quarters. With all the time I spend in there everything I have is wireless -

telephone - computer - Palm pilot - magazines - hmmm - they never did have

wires. Well you get the idea - it is so nice to have company )

Barb

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill

Hi Barb and all,

> Well Bill, I know that I am feeling uplifted - I found someone who

spends as much time in the bathroom as I do - What a comfort

In that case, you might appreciate the next home improvement makeover

I plan: <http://members.fortunecity.com/bobbear4u/id63.htm>. I'm

saving up....

Cheers,

[Guest guest]

I also tend to get cranky when I miss even a snack - of course right now my BG

numbers are dropping like rocks, so that has something to do with my being

cranky. Guess I am going to have to cut the 1/2 pills in 1/2 again and try that.

It was suggested that I skip the pills for a day, but I am not quite that brave

yet - if this keeps up I dare say I will get that brave.

Barb

----- Original Message -----

I have no idea. Just guess I was born that way, smile.

I know it's unusual - not only from the lists...I have at least one

nondiabetic friend who gets Really Cranky and Nasty when she doesn't eat

on time. I don't even like to be around her then!

Vicki

[Guest guest]

At 11:07 PM 6/30/05, Bill wrote:

>In that case, you might appreciate the next home improvement makeover

>I plan: <http://members.fortunecity.com/bobbear4u/id63.htm>. I'm

>saving up....

Where's the hot plate and the fridge?

sky

[Guest guest]

<snip>

> I always showed up early for meals and certainly never

> missed one - just fasting for a blood test is torture.

You want torture?

I live in a small village. The doctor's surgery (he does the blood

draw) opens at 9am. I wake at 5-6 am. There are usually a few before

me for the vampire act for my fasting tests, and I wait outside the

doc's waiting room in the arcade, because with hypogammaglobulinemia I

have no need to expose myself to all the infections floating around in

there.

The shop two doors down is a bakery. Can you imagine what it's like to

smell the aromas wafting out of that bakery while you're waiting for

that fasting test three hours after breakfast time?

*sigh*

Cheers, Alan

[Guest guest]

No, it's not low-carb. I never *SAID* it was low-carb. It's

supposed to be LOW-GLYCEMIC carbs, however. I find I do fine

with some meals, and not so fine with others. I'm willing to put

up with slightly higher numbers, and cover with insulin if

needs-be, at least for awhile. I'm losing an average of 10lbs a

month, and it's very important to me to get the weight off.

At right at 320 lbs on a 5'8 " frame, the weight is causing

problems. With my back, my joints, and my breathing. I also

know *from experience* that when my weight is lower, my insulin

resistance is lower and my numbers start to fall in line more

readily - another reason to lose weight *for me*.

Now, I don't plan on trying to be some skinny-minny. I've had a

body-fat analysis done (both electronic and the old-fashion

calliper test) and my doctor wants me to aim for a healthy (FOR

ME) weight of 210-230, which will give me roughly 25% body fat.

Now, if I can find the meals that don't spike me as much, and I

don't have to use insulin to cover them - all the better!

I do think the spikes I've had lately are from the V-8 Ironically, I

also seem to be getting a better handle on my morning rise

again. Problem is, either my BS isn't dropping at all during the

night, or it's dropping and raising right back up to where it was.

Either way, my BS for the past couple of mornings has only been

about 5pts higher than when I was going to bed. I'll have to

continue measuring right before bed, and see if I can't get it

down a little more, even if it means another unit or so of insulin

It'd be great to wake up below at least 120, tho I'm wary of going

MUCH lower than that when I go to bed, ya know?

SulaBlue

> Sula: I hate to say this but that plan you are using is prob not

really

> very low carb I assume that the providers are using the basic

medical

> definitions of what diabetics " ought " to eat not what actual

diabetics

> under tight control really can eat. Just mo.

>

>

> cappie

> Greater Boston Area

> T-2 10/02 5/05 A1c: 5.3 = 111 mean glu

> 50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin

>

> ALA/EPO, ALC, Vit C, Calc/mag,

> low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

> Policosanol, fish oil cap,

> fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

> Lovastatin 40 mg/coQ10 100mg, Enalapril 10 mg

>

> 5/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309)

> 5' tall /age 67,

> cappie@w...

[Guest guest]

Bea,

I generally drink 4 oz (Carefully measured by weight on a scale

accurate to 1/8 of an oz) of the Spicy version.

Or, did, as the case may be.

SulaBlue

> Those figure apply to the 163ml can of V8 100 percent

vegetable juice.

> The figures are higher for larger serves and for other

formulations.

>

> Bea

>

>

> " SulaBlue " wrote

>

> > Odd, really.

> >

> > It's got a GI of 43, and a GL of 2.6. One would *THINK* this

> > would be ok.

> >