Re: Re: HEELLP!!! Outrageous labs

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I think the adrenal glandulars are a wonderful idea, that and time. I know how

impatient we all are to feel well, but there is no rushing this.

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Nutri Meds Adrenal Glandulars.. I think that is what you are talking about,

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>>:-O I wonder if I will just be slow ooze by morning. :-(<<

Think about it this way... What would your body normally do if you were healthy?

It would slow down at night. Your heart rate lowers, your metabolism slows

naturally at night, taking that 5 MCG Cytomel at night may be a big part of your

problem, not allowing yourself to slow down and rest. One thing I have noticed

over the years any time any healing took place it was when I got alot of GOOD

rest. Split your Armour into 4 dosages, and take the last one at bedtime. I

think that will be better for you.

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Roxanna wrote:

> I was thinking too about....stop

> pushing for results. I think that my body just cannot adjust so

> fast. You're probably right....it is a combination of hypoadrenals

> and years of hypoT damage....whether I want to face it or not. I'm

> damaged and cannot have what I want right NOW.

>

> Well, patience has never been one of my strong points! :-)

>

> Oh dear,:-(

Hey Roxanna,

I've never met anyone with adrenal exhaustion who was a patient type.

The patient types know how to rest when they need to--they don't push

themselves to exhaustion in the first place!

Time and *rest* are required. Lots of rest. If you haven't looked at all

your current activities to see which ones you can cut out for the next

six months, you need to. Get a comfy chair and a stack of good books and

let your body heal itself.

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In a message dated 11/3/2004 10:29:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,

tayamni@... writes:

>

>

> Can you elaborate what you mean about feeling strange?

>

I often feel my brain is disconnected from my body. Is that strange enough?

I don't quite know how to describe it. It's like " me " is in there but that

" me " is not merged fully with the body.

Cindi

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In a message dated 11/3/2004 10:29:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,

tayamni@... writes:

>

> Can you elaborate what you mean about feeling strange?

>

>

I think also a part of it is trying to figure out if who I am now (my thought

processes) is who I really am or who I used to be...I feel like hypo changed

me over the last 10 years gradually as far as how I thought...and now I've

been pushed back to some time back in the past mentally....but the body has been

damaged by the hypo...plus I've aged...and so I can't merge everything it

seems. My husband asks me if it is like having had amnesia..and then starting

to

recover...and sometimes it is.

Cindi

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This is my philosophy too. I've been pushed beyond my limits the past many years

due to caregiving my mentally/physically disabled, abusive, violent,

destructive, uncooperative (now deceased) husband since 1995.

I had to do so much with no help from his family that 4 years ago my doctor who

was aware of my circumstances, told me I was mentally, physically, emotionally

exhausted & to move away from my husband & his family & get a divorce before I

dropped dead.

And I sure was exhausted!!! After he died I had two years of extremely

stressful legal battles over the estate & had to move/relocate 7 times in 2

years. That's enough to do anybody in good & proper to complete exhaustion when

I was already exhausted to begin with.

All I could think of was I wanted to buy myself a little house in the country

where I could go & just rest & do nothing & not have anyone bothering me or

abusing me. It tooke me a year just to get my little country house built,

decorated & landscaped. Still no rest as it was so much work for me with no help

from anybody except the furniture movers.

So my idea now that I've got my new home all settled is just to rest. That's

what I'm doing & in no hurry to give myself any more energy from any drugs or

hormones. If I have more energy I might just do a bunch of stuff & hurt myself

again as I did in March when I fell off a chair while changing a battery in a

smoke alarm. I crushed a vertabrae & misaligned just about everything in my body

which required numerous chirorpractic adjustments & accunpuncture too.

So no more of that. I'll call the fire department next time for smoke alarm

battery changing. I'm resting easy now & not pushing myself to do anything

except what's absolutely necessary. I'll take the smaller doses of Armour &

gradually work up but don't want to become hyperT & bouncing off the walls in

here when what I need is rest very badly & my body/mind agrees with me 100%.

Caroline

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I've never met anyone with adrenal exhaustion who was a patient type.

The patient types know how to rest when they need to--they don't push

themselves to exhaustion in the first place!

Time and *rest* are required. Lots of rest. If you haven't looked at all

your current activities to see which ones you can cut out for the next

six months, you need to. Get a comfy chair and a stack of good books and

let your body heal itself.

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In a message dated 11/4/2004 10:54:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,

tayamni@... writes:

> That is very odd. Maybe because of all the changes to normal so fast

> compared to how the symptoms came on insidiously? You need time to

> adjust?

>

> That reminds me of when I'm talking to someone and suddenly I

> am " beside " myself and can hear myself talking " beside " me. It is so

> distracting that I cannot continue! LOL

>

>

that sorta is what I have thought. that it just feels weird to really be

" me " again..but it's not the me I was five years ago...cause that me was a bit

affected by hypo. I sometimes feel like my brain has gone back to my early

30s...and yet my body moved way way head.

and yes...i definitely know that feeling about being beside yourself...it's

very weird.

cindi

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In a message dated 11/4/2004 10:59:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,

tayamni@... writes:

> These are interesting thoughts....remember how I had that 3 week

> honeymoon period at the start of Armour? Well, having that sort of

> mental energy again was exhilarating. I loved it...though it was a

> bit exhausting. I look around at how I have come to fit into, and

> how ours lives have molded around, the slower me. This has taken

> place over years. It's comfortable, though I am uncomfortable with

> it in certain ways. Does that make sense? I want my brain back, but

> I am not sure what I will do with it. How will that change our

> stability and what we have become accustomed to? During the

> honeymoon period I got a glimpse of the sort of motivation I used to

> have....I remember that from before...but I am unfamiliar with that

> me. It was foreign to be that person for a few weeks. I loved it,

> but I think there is a bit of apprehension? Maybe that is the hypoT

> talking now....can you imagine being apprehensive about being fully

> able? I'm not well yet......

>

ok - you made me giggle. yes...i had that honeymoon period WAY back...and I

was making great plans...like dinners for 12 and vacations to far away exotic

places.

dang.

what happened?

my brain is here for the most part...it's just that I really don't want to

have to use it too much. it's tiring.

yea...i like being in my safe place here at home. but i used to be so

different.

cindi

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In a message dated 11/4/2004 4:02:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,

MamaMaha@... writes:

> Sounds like being out of body. Defined as the emotional or psychic body not

> being fully INside your material, physical body. Just a thought.

>

yikes. i have heard of this. what is the cause? and what is the remedy?

cindi

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Roxanna wrote:

> This Summer I bought 28 novels ( special sale ) so that I would have

> reason to plant my butt on the couch! It's been pretty effective.

> Interestingly, when I actually DID sit and read most of the time for

> almost 3 weeks straight, I felt weaker....my adrenals didn't heal in

> leaps and bounds by relaxing.

Good for you! You're doing the right thing, but three weeks just isn't

long enough to heal your adrenals after all those years of abuse. More

like three months. For starters.

> Resting with permission seems like a dream come true....but my

> personality type is somewhat stressed by resting. Though I wish for

> nothing being needed to be done! I think I stress myself by just

> being myself! LOL You ought to see me when I am not hypoT. I wear

> myself out....WORE myself out. :-) It's not a good thing!

Know exactly what you mean. I was a hummingbird too--never sat down if I

could help it. I had no trouble resting for the first three months or

so, when I was still too exhausted to stand up. But once my energy

started to return a little bit, it was a constant struggle not to get up

and get busy! But each time I gave in to the urge, I had a setback in

health. I couldn't live with the tension of bodily holding myself in the

chair when I wanted desperately to get up and *do something*! Something

had to change, and what changed was my pesonality. Slowly, over a period

of many months, I became less compulsuve. I learned to relax.

But before that miraculous change, I experienced a lot of stress there

in my comfy chair. :-)

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Sounds like being out of body. Defined as the emotional or psychic body not

being fully INside your material, physical body. Just a thought.

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In a message dated 11/3/2004 10:29:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,

tayamni@... writes:

> Can you elaborate what you mean about feeling strange?<<<<<<<<

I often feel my brain is disconnected from my body. Is that strange enough?

I don't quite know how to describe it. It's like " me " is in there but that

" me " is not merged fully with the body.

Cindi

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In a message dated 11/4/2004 9:01:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,

MamaMaha@... writes:

> The *cause* of it occuring is often FEAR of extreme stress. The stress can

> be outside the body or inside of it as in an illness or some kind of trauma.

>

well i sure qualify on this one. thanks for the info.

cindi

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I'm going through that now & for the past few months. Sitting around feeling I

should be doing something else, being more useful somewhere, somehow or feeling

guilty because I'm not. Feeling kind of selfish I think, not even trying to help

or " fix " my adult kids lives anymore. Never could anyway.

I've been the butterfly/humming bird type myself...always doing something or

other. A place for everything & everything in its place. Always tying up loose

ends & attending to all kind of superfluous nonessential details.

Planning or creating complicated or physically taxing projects for myself in the

house or yard. Decorating, painting the walls, furniture, sewing things so it's

" matchy poo " & color coordinated.

I'm beginning to relax more about not doing any of that now tho.But it took a

chair-fall, crushed vertabrae & hip bursitis to keep me down & doing nothing,

barely walking even.

It does take a few months. Probably several more for me too since I'm only now

beginning to take the Armour instead of the Synthroid. I'm kind of leary that

I'll have more energy & then overdo after the Armour starts being optimal for me

too.

Hope my current attitude with restraining myself, even tho I'm better now, can

walk & do most things I used to do except strenous work or exercise, will carry

me through that time period if it happens. Hoping I can gradually get back into

doing most things I used to but not about to push myself into any of it anymore.

Caroline

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Roxanna wrote:

> This Summer I bought 28 novels ( special sale ) so that I would have

> reason to plant my butt on the couch! It's been pretty effective.<<<

Good for you! You're doing the right thing, but three weeks just isn't

long enough to heal your adrenals after all those years of abuse. More

like three months. For starters.

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That's all my new dr ordered too. So not sure if I'll keep her or fire her yet.

I need a doctor for other things, not just thyroid problems.

C

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***No doctor. When I requested to have my thyroid checked by my doc

and found out what was ordered....TSH, TT4, T3 Uptake....I took

matters into my own hands. ( along with help from the good people on

this board with more thyroid experience

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caroline, why not just sit tight on firing or hiring another dr as of

yet. There's really no rush, and you may find that you actually have

to go to the dr less, for other things.

Btw, how are you feeling on day #2 of the armour?

SandyE~Houston

On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:19:45 -0800

" Caroline Pollak " wrote:

> That's all my new dr ordered too. So not sure if I'll keep her

>or fire her yet. I need a doctor for other things, not just thyroid

>problems.

> C

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The *cause* of it occuring is often FEAR of extreme stress. The stress can be

outside the body or inside of it as in an illness or some kind of trauma.

has to learn how to ground oneself in the body. This isn't that easy tho.

Usually it requires learning how to alter one's consciousness through study of

deep meditation & other such esoteric processes. There might be something online

that might help you with that faster. I don't know any websites tho. Wouldn't

even know what to tell you to put into the search engine to find any. I learned

it ages ago & it's too long & complicated to teach someone this way. It's about

aligning the soul within the body & doing chakra balancing exercises with

chanting & visualization & other things.

One short technique that often works tho is to imagine/visualize a heavy anchor

hooked to your tailbone with a long coiled chain on it. Imagine the chain

uncoiling & the anchor dropping into the center of the Earth & hooking itself

there. That works temporariliy. But you have to keep remembering to do it every

time.

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> Sounds like being out of body. Defined as the emotional or psychic body not

> being fully INside your material, physical body. Just a thought. >

yikes. i have heard of this. what is the cause? and what is the remedy?

cindi

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Not feeling much different. Haven't noticed a thing yet. May need some time to

notice anything, don't know.

I will keep my dr. for now & see how it goes with her in another month or so

when I see her again.

Thanx heaps for your concern, Sandy.

Caroline

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caroline, why not just sit tight on firing or hiring another dr as of

yet. There's really no rush, and you may find that you actually have

to go to the dr less, for other things.

Btw, how are you feeling on day #2 of the armour?

SandyE~Houston

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29 grains a day???? I wonder how that patient fared healthwise in the long run

after many years on it or there

were any other adverse effects on it? Or for how many years they were on it or

what caused their death? Curious people want to know these things.

Caroline

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I read an article the other day from one of Tish's links. There was

an old timer doc who wrote a paper about hypoT. He said that the

greatest amount of thyroid he has ever had to use on a patient to

relieve their symptoms is.....29 grains a day!!!

Roxanna

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>>.....29 grains a day!!!<<

WOW!!! Now I don't feel so bad! LOL

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Yeah...it's no wonder I was dying on that blasted Synthroid was on. And still

am on only a measly 1 grain Armour per day now.

I wonder how long it took that dr. to gradually up that patient's dose that

high? Years maybe??

C

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>>.....29 grains a day!!!<<

WOW!!! Now I don't feel so bad! LOL

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Caroline,

Oh, my! If anyone deserves to rest, you do! Take it easy, gal and hopefully

you can figure out things and feel much better!

in Va.

This is my philosophy too. I've been pushed beyond my limits the past many

years due to caregiving my mentally/physically disabled, abusive, violent,

destructive, uncooperative (now deceased) husband since 1995.

I had to do so much with no help from his family that 4 years ago my doctor

who was aware of my circumstances, told me I was mentally, physically,

emotionally exhausted & to move away from my husband & his family & get a

divorce before I dropped dead.

And I sure was exhausted!!! After he died I had two years of extremely

stressful legal battles over the estate & had to move/relocate 7 times in 2

years. That's enough to do anybody in good & proper to complete exhaustion

when I was already exhausted to begin with.

All I could think of was I wanted to buy myself a little house in the

country where I could go & just rest & do nothing & not have anyone

bothering me or abusing me. It tooke me a year just to get my little

country house built, decorated & landscaped. Still no rest as it was so much

work for me with no help from anybody except the furniture movers.

So my idea now that I've got my new home all settled is just to rest. That's

what I'm doing & in no hurry to give myself any more energy from any drugs

or hormones. If I have more energy I might just do a bunch of stuff & hurt

myself again as I did in March when I fell off a chair while changing a

battery in a smoke alarm. I crushed a vertabrae & misaligned just about

everything in my body which required numerous chirorpractic adjustments &

accunpuncture too.

So no more of that. I'll call the fire department next time for smoke alarm

battery changing. I'm resting easy now & not pushing myself to do anything

except what's absolutely necessary. I'll take the smaller doses of Armour &

gradually work up but don't want to become hyperT & bouncing off the walls

in here when what I need is rest very badly & my body/mind agrees with me

100%.

Caroline

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Thx ...that's what I'm doing...resting & to heck with everything

else...except have to do all the usual routine household things, shop & feed

myself, like it or not.

Caroline...wishing for a caregiver for myself.

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Caroline,

Oh, my! If anyone deserves to rest, you do! Take it easy, gal and hopefully

you can figure out things and feel much better!

in Va.