Salycilates - Please Help

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Hi

I would like to ask a few questions to those who know about

Salycilates. I feel like I've made a shocking but exciting discovery

about my son this week. Zachary has been doing fabulously on SCD to

the point where I feel he has very few issues remaining.

I have suspected peaches could be a problem for him in the past but

my focus has been on gluten and the rules of SCD, so I thought if it

was a problem, it must be a minor one and I just haven't wanted to

pull anything else out of his diet. Last week, my husband made a

huge batch of peachsauce. Zachary hasn't had peaches in months.

This whole last week I've been trying to figure out what's wrong with

my son. He went from being conversational with me and totally with

it to being almost unintelligible. I couldn't understand most of

what the kid's been trying to tell me. He's actually been starting

to read since being on SCD and he could no longer read ANY of the

words he'd been reading very well without great struggle. It's like

he was on drugs! I feel like this could be what we've been missing

so that Zachary can function the way we know he can all the time!

I feel so ignorant to have overlooked this. I've heard people

talking about salicylates and fenols but I haven't really thought it

could be affecting Zachary for some stupid reason. I keep thinking

how Zachary used to eat baby food peaches every day before we began

SCD. Now, maybe I know why.

Now, if anybody can help me with this, I would really be grateful.

1. Where can I read more about salicylates and fenols and get a

complete list?

2. Zachary has applesauce every day without a problem. Could he be

sensitive to some salicylates but not others?

3. If salycilates are a problem, is he likely to have a fenol

problem also?

4. It seems like I've heard people say that they become tolerant of

salycilates and fenols after some time on SCD. Is that true? We've

been on SCD for a while, but maybe not long enough.

5. Does this sound like a salicylate reaction? I always thought it

would be more of a hyper reaction for some reason but he's just

totally been in a fog.

Thanks in advance.

Zachary 4.9 SCD 9 months

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> Hi

>

> I would like to ask a few questions to those who know about

> Salycilates. I feel like I've made a shocking but exciting

discovery

> about my son this week. Zachary has been doing fabulously on SCD

to

> the point where I feel he has very few issues remaining.

>

> I have suspected peaches could be a problem for him in the past but

> my focus has been on gluten and the rules of SCD, so I thought if

it

> was a problem, it must be a minor one and I just haven't wanted to

> pull anything else out of his diet. Last week, my husband made a

> huge batch of peachsauce. Zachary hasn't had peaches in months.

> This whole last week I've been trying to figure out what's wrong

with

> my son. He went from being conversational with me and totally with

> it to being almost unintelligible. I couldn't understand most of

> what the kid's been trying to tell me. He's actually been starting

> to read since being on SCD and he could no longer read ANY of the

> words he'd been reading very well without great struggle. It's

like

> he was on drugs! I feel like this could be what we've been missing

> so that Zachary can function the way we know he can all the time!

>

> I feel so ignorant to have overlooked this. I've heard people

> talking about salicylates and fenols but I haven't really thought

it

> could be affecting Zachary for some stupid reason. I keep thinking

> how Zachary used to eat baby food peaches every day before we began

> SCD. Now, maybe I know why.

>

> Now, if anybody can help me with this, I would really be grateful.

>

> 1. Where can I read more about salicylates and fenols and get a

> complete list?

> 2. Zachary has applesauce every day without a problem. Could he

be

> sensitive to some salicylates but not others?

> 3. If salycilates are a problem, is he likely to have a fenol

> problem also?

> 4. It seems like I've heard people say that they become tolerant

of

> salycilates and fenols after some time on SCD. Is that true?

We've

> been on SCD for a while, but maybe not long enough.

> 5. Does this sound like a salicylate reaction? I always thought

it

> would be more of a hyper reaction for some reason but he's just

> totally been in a fog.

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

>

> Zachary 4.9 SCD 9 months

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This is the information I refered to multiple times a day when I

made that same discovery! Now I know what foods my son can eat,

everything else is a " no " for now.

http://users.bigpond.net.au/allergydietitian/fi/sal.html

http://users.bigpond.net.au/allergydietitian/fi/salicylates-list.html

As far as applesauce, you will find on the above link that some

apples are low in salicylates. We only use those, even so, I limit

applesauce to a small serving because it really is quite consentrated.

I believe phenols are a chemical in all foods, salicylates is one

kind. But I could be totally and utterly wrong

I understand some kids can tollerate some foods that are high in

salicylates even though much needs to be avoided. I was discussing

that with one of the moms here who can serve honey and avocadoes. It

will be trial and error for you, as with us all. Unfortunately, my

son doesn't get rid of the salicylates in his body for 4-6 days and

so I don't dare try anything new for a long time! Poor kid had all

of three blackberries on a walk with a friend. The next day he was

crying and tantruming like pre SCD. My son gets very confused,

frustrated and irritable so we avoid all salicylates like the

plague. Some parents have found success with an enzime formulated

specificly for breaking down salicylates, called " No-Fenol " by

Houston Nutraceuticals, Inc.

As far as reaction, I suppose it would not be out of the question to

not see hyperactivity. Count your blessings! Remember, this no

salicylates diet is also called the Feingold Diet and is used to

treat many ADD and ADHD kids without needing medical intervention.

I know it really restricts your son's diet more, but isn't it great

to finally get a consistant healthy, happy kid?!!

Congratulations and Kudos to you for being so observant!

Helen, mom to (9, ASD, SCD 4/04)

http://users.bigpond.net.au/allergydietitian/fi/sal.html

> Hi

>

> I would like to ask a few questions to those who know about

> Salycilates. I feel like I've made a shocking but exciting

discovery

> about my son this week. Zachary has been doing fabulously on SCD

to

> the point where I feel he has very few issues remaining.

>

> I have suspected peaches could be a problem for him in the past but

> my focus has been on gluten and the rules of SCD, so I thought if

it

> was a problem, it must be a minor one and I just haven't wanted to

> pull anything else out of his diet. Last week, my husband made a

> huge batch of peachsauce. Zachary hasn't had peaches in months.

> This whole last week I've been trying to figure out what's wrong

with

> my son. He went from being conversational with me and totally with

> it to being almost unintelligible. I couldn't understand most of

> what the kid's been trying to tell me. He's actually been starting

> to read since being on SCD and he could no longer read ANY of the

> words he'd been reading very well without great struggle. It's

like

> he was on drugs! I feel like this could be what we've been missing

> so that Zachary can function the way we know he can all the time!

>

> I feel so ignorant to have overlooked this. I've heard people

> talking about salicylates and fenols but I haven't really thought

it

> could be affecting Zachary for some stupid reason. I keep thinking

> how Zachary used to eat baby food peaches every day before we began

> SCD. Now, maybe I know why.

>

> Now, if anybody can help me with this, I would really be grateful.

>

> 1. Where can I read more about salicylates and fenols and get a

> complete list?

> 2. Zachary has applesauce every day without a problem. Could he

be

> sensitive to some salicylates but not others?

> 3. If salycilates are a problem, is he likely to have a fenol

> problem also?

> 4. It seems like I've heard people say that they become tolerant

of

> salycilates and fenols after some time on SCD. Is that true?

We've

> been on SCD for a while, but maybe not long enough.

> 5. Does this sound like a salicylate reaction? I always thought

it

> would be more of a hyper reaction for some reason but he's just

> totally been in a fog.

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

>

> Zachary 4.9 SCD 9 months

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>

> 1. Where can I read more about salicylates and fenols and get a

> complete list?

Here is the list that I've found most helpful

http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

> 2. Zachary has applesauce every day without a problem. Could he be

> sensitive to some salicylates but not others?

Definately! There's no rhyme or reason with it. When Sam is going

through die-off he's extra sensitive. Watermelon is lower than

cantaloupe, but he cannot tolerate watermelon and does find with

cantaloupe! It's terrribly frustrating!

> 3. If salycilates are a problem, is he likely to have a fenol

> problem also?

I'm not that familiar with this. Sam seems affected by salicylates. He

does ok with broccoli, mushrooms, bananas....which have other phenolic

chemicals.

> 4. It seems like I've heard people say that they become tolerant of

> salycilates and fenols after some time on SCD. Is that true? We've

> been on SCD for a while, but maybe not long enough.

We've only be doing SCD for 5 months. At 4 months he was tolerating

occasional apples, berries and orange juice. Now he reacts to them. I

can't figure it out. I'm attributing it another round of die-off and

seasonal allergies! I started testing other salicylates (peaches and

grapes) but had two weeks of regressive behavior and have given up for

awhile.

> 5. Does this sound like a salicylate reaction? I always thought it

> would be more of a hyper reaction for some reason but he's just

> totally been in a fog.

>

Sam reacts differently to different fruits. Watermelon makes him

weepy. Peaches made him aggressive. Apples and cucumber make him hyper

and impulsive. Grapes made him very loud and demanding and

inflexible. Can you picture this kid preFeingold and SCD?!?!? These

items were mainstays in his diet and he ate most of these daily!!!!

What a change. Foggy is definately a possibility! He could also be

suffering from allergies at the same time that may have made his

tolerance for peaches lower.

Good luck!!!

Chrystee

Sam

SCD 5 months

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Helen and Chrystee -

Thanks for the answers and the links to help me with this. I'm going

to print out this stuff and study it and see if I can figure out

everything Zachary is reacting to.

By the way, have either of you tried No-Fenol?

Thanks again!

Zachary 4.9 SCD 9 months

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Haven't tried No-Fenol, although I have a bottle in my kitchen. My

son reacts so strongly to the foods that I don't have the courage to

try it just in case it doesn't work for him! Last Thursday he had

all of three blackberries on a walk with a friend and I think today

it will finally be almost out of his system. This weekend was a real

trial! One day.....

Helen, mom to (9, ASD, SCD 4/04)

> Helen and Chrystee -

>

> Thanks for the answers and the links to help me with this. I'm

going

> to print out this stuff and study it and see if I can figure out

> everything Zachary is reacting to.

>

> By the way, have either of you tried No-Fenol?

>

> Thanks again!

>

> Zachary 4.9 SCD 9 months

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I know exactly what you are talking about! This has been my life

for years and sometimes I have two reacting at once.

We tried Kirkman's Multi complete enzyme and I stopped it after a

few days. Not sure whether it was helping or not (probably just

agitating them), just seems too nerve racking with the other things

going on with this diet. They did calm down then.

We've actually seen the salicylate sensitivities diminish some, so I

am hoping that will keep you going. Have you been able to get the

goat's milk yogurt in? That seems to have been a big issue here.

Also, giving the kids time to rest. I think stress makes recovery

really hard.

I wish I could give you magic dust to make the reactions go away.

The best I can do is say don't give up hope OK?

Are you taking the Freeda multivitamin, because that may have a low

level of salicylates in the Bioflavaniods. This is so frustrating

because the reason they are so sensitive is partially because they

need certain nutrients. The Stress B Complex is ok for older kids

(1/2 pill). I am using liquid minerals, but am considering other

options now that the sensitivies are diminishing.

Best wishes, and rest when you can.

Kathy H.

SCD day 116, 10 & 8

-- In pecanbread , " odiniella " <hgaimari@s...> wrote:

> Haven't tried No-Fenol, although I have a bottle in my kitchen.

My

> son reacts so strongly to the foods that I don't have the courage

to

> try it just in case it doesn't work for him! Last Thursday he had

> all of three blackberries on a walk with a friend and I think

today

> it will finally be almost out of his system. This weekend was a

real

> trial! One day.....

> Helen, mom to (9, ASD, SCD 4/04)

>

>

>

> > Helen and Chrystee -

> >

> > Thanks for the answers and the links to help me with this. I'm

> going

> > to print out this stuff and study it and see if I can figure out

> > everything Zachary is reacting to.

> >

> > By the way, have either of you tried No-Fenol?

> >

> > Thanks again!

> >

> > Zachary 4.9 SCD 9 months