Re: CYTOMEL/ Additional T3 or T4

[Guest guest]

Where do you get CYTTOMEL...i really can't aford a doctor. I am already sick

with mercury and can not afford to try and see a medical doector who has NO

CLUE as to what's gong on so I do a lot of things by myself.

So if I up the thyroid by 1/4 grains, I should be able to find where I need

to be at? How many days should a give in between upping the doses?

I already get tachycardia from the mercury. Is the kind you are referring to

pretty darn minor then?

~inga

on 11/1/04 10:08 PM, loboshe at usns@... wrote:

Hi Joan! Joan, most folks do great on Armour alone. If someone isn't

yet doing great, it's because they haven't upped enough. I've seen

many folks here think they need to add Cytomel or Synthroid, when

all they needed was to increase their Armour. Increasing Armour IS

increasing T3, and T4.

On the other hand, there are folks like who need to add T3

to their Armour, because they have a resistance to T3, or they have

poor conversion of T4, to T3. You find out that you are the latter

when you have gotten up to high amounts, like 5 and more, and your

free T3 is STILL low. It's also quite important for these folks to

multi-dose throughout the day.

When we talk about labs, there IS a good one--the free T3. Your goal

on Armour is to get that free T3 at the top of the range, if not

over, if you go by labs. And even with labs, you ALSO dose by

symptoms. When I got up to 2 1/4 grains, and used labs all along the

way, I had a free T3 towards the top, and I felt like my " bad "

symptoms were mostly gone. But...I had heard that the minimum

optimal dose before the TSH was 3 grains and higher. So...I

experimented, and went up 1/4 grain at a time, WITHOUT using labs.

When I got up to 3 1/4 grains, I did them out of curiousity. I was

over the range, and feeling great. I have pushed the limit. If I add

another 1/4 grain, I think I notice palps. So I know I am currently

at my optimal dose.

There are some folks who have added Cytomel to their Armour because

they found it was cheaper to buy Cytomel than buy more Armour

without a prescription. But one gal in particular was at 4 grains

before she added Cytomel for the above reason.

Hope that helps.

Janie

> >>>YES, lots of T3. I did not even begin to feel like I was

getting thyroid

> till I added in some pure Cytomel to the Armour.

>

> or anyone else who supplements Armour or natural thyroid

with

> Cytomel or Synthroid. How do you know if you need more T3 or

more T4?

> If we have Hashi's and are not supposed to rely soley on labs,

which

> symptoms lead you to additional synthetic supplements and how do

you

> determine which one to use?

> ...joan

[Guest guest]

Hi Inga. If you have a tendency to get tachycardia's, you don't need

to be thinking about being on Cytomel (T3) anyway. They might

aggravate your tachycardia. And it sure seems to be wise that you

find a doc---where are you from? Maybe someone here knows a good one

near you that could help out with fees??? If you want to find out,

put your city and state in the SUBJECT LINE, asking for a good doc.

If you continue to self-dose, yes, I can say that if it was me, I'd

go up 1/4 grain at a time, and let the 1/4 grain rise stay with me a

few weeks but no more. I notice palps myself because I have MVP, but

they occurred only when I made each increase, and the subsided

within the first week of each increase. Yes, they were minor.

(I hope you can find a doc to assist you....., if necessary.)

Janie

> Where do you get CYTTOMEL...i really can't aford a doctor. I am

already sick

> with mercury and can not afford to try and see a medical doector

who has NO

> CLUE as to what's gong on so I do a lot of things by myself.

>

> So if I up the thyroid by 1/4 grains, I should be able to find

where I need

> to be at? How many days should a give in between upping the doses?

> I already get tachycardia from the mercury. Is the kind you are

referring to

> pretty darn minor then?

>

> ~inga

>

>

>

> on 11/1/04 10:08 PM, loboshe at usns@r... wrote:

>

>

> Hi Joan! Joan, most folks do great on Armour alone. If someone

isn't

> yet doing great, it's because they haven't upped enough. I've seen

> many folks here think they need to add Cytomel or Synthroid, when

> all they needed was to increase their Armour. Increasing Armour IS

> increasing T3, and T4.

>

> On the other hand, there are folks like who need to add T3

> to their Armour, because they have a resistance to T3, or they have

> poor conversion of T4, to T3. You find out that you are the latter

> when you have gotten up to high amounts, like 5 and more, and your

> free T3 is STILL low. It's also quite important for these folks to

> multi-dose throughout the day.

>

> When we talk about labs, there IS a good one--the free T3. Your

goal

> on Armour is to get that free T3 at the top of the range, if not

> over, if you go by labs. And even with labs, you ALSO dose by

> symptoms. When I got up to 2 1/4 grains, and used labs all along

the

> way, I had a free T3 towards the top, and I felt like my " bad "

> symptoms were mostly gone. But...I had heard that the minimum

> optimal dose before the TSH was 3 grains and higher. So...I

> experimented, and went up 1/4 grain at a time, WITHOUT using labs.

> When I got up to 3 1/4 grains, I did them out of curiousity. I was

> over the range, and feeling great. I have pushed the limit. If I

add

> another 1/4 grain, I think I notice palps. So I know I am currently

> at my optimal dose.

>

> There are some folks who have added Cytomel to their Armour because

> they found it was cheaper to buy Cytomel than buy more Armour

> without a prescription. But one gal in particular was at 4 grains

> before she added Cytomel for the above reason.

>

> Hope that helps.

>

> Janie

>

> > >>>YES, lots of T3. I did not even begin to feel like I was

> getting thyroid

> > till I added in some pure Cytomel to the Armour.

> >

> > or anyone else who supplements Armour or natural thyroid

> with

> > Cytomel or Synthroid. How do you know if you need more T3 or

> more T4?

> > If we have Hashi's and are not supposed to rely soley on labs,

> which

> > symptoms lead you to additional synthetic supplements and how do

> you

> > determine which one to use?

> > ...joan

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> well, me on the other hand, I am up to 3 grains and feel no

difference.

Go up again. You are not on your optimal dose yet.

Janie

[Guest guest]

> did you send this twice because you stutter, or really mean it! LOL

Laughing. I could say I stutter AND really, really, really meant it.

But alas, my Alz must be showing. har. I would guess that the

increase isn't showing yet because you were replacing the T4 you used

to be on. Yeah, maybe give it another week or so to see....or go

ahead and go up to 3 1/2 grains, but hold that for at least 4-5

weeks? Janie

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[Guest guest]

I have to try and see my DR soon, so I don't want it too high I will wait a week

or 4.

Re: CYTOMEL/ Additional T3 or T4

> did you send this twice because you stutter, or really mean it! LOL

Laughing. I could say I stutter AND really, really, really meant it.

But alas, my Alz must be showing. har. I would guess that the

increase isn't showing yet because you were replacing the T4 you used

to be on. Yeah, maybe give it another week or so to see....or go

ahead and go up to 3 1/2 grains, but hold that for at least 4-5

weeks? Janie

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