Guest guest Posted February 5, 2000 Report Share Posted February 5, 2000 How can I find out what products have Dimethecone without looking at every single label? Does anybody know offhand? Are there web sites on this? This is news to me, dimethecone. I appreciate this information immensely. Terry But if Dimethicone has been proven to cause cancer why hasn't it been pulled from the market? I mean, people on this board, myself included, have ORDERED dimethicone and zinc products!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would like to know Dr Sy's view of this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2000 Report Share Posted February 6, 2000 In the spirit of what a support group is for, the information I posted on the board about dimethecone was information that was, as I stated, in a news program. It is information that I chose to share with the group just as other information is shared by the members. I did not author the news program, and as Dr. Sy commented, cannot testify if the circulation of this information by the news program was baseless. I have chosen to act on the information presented. It is the choice of all members to do the same. In addition to dimethecone I have also listened to news programs about the long term harmful effects of DEA, another product used widely in the cosmetic industry which makes shampoo foam and makes your lotions creamy. This chemical is also a carcinogen, although the cosmetic industry continues to use it with the FDA's full knowledge. Again, this is only information I am sharing with the group. What you chose to do with it is up to you. I chose not to use products with these chemicals. Albeit for me to say that since there are chemicals that are carcinogens in just about everything we touch, eat and breath, I have a choice. I can't necessarily chose the air I breath, but I can make a conscious decision not to actually purchase products with known carcinogens if I so chose. So can all of you. I didn't think my comments on dimethecone would whip up such a firestorm. If I could recall the exact date and name of the programs that introduced this information I would, of course, be happy to share that with all of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2000 Report Share Posted February 6, 2000 I too am surprised at the firestorm. I appreciate knowing what things are carcinogenic so I can avoid them. Thanks Rose. Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2000 Report Share Posted February 7, 2000 Rose, I apologize for my strong statement which I didn't mean to direct towards you personally. Silicone is a good armamentarium for a formulator and it is an ingredient that I like. I have not run into any published article or news re its carcinogenicity. And I try to be quite current in my reading. Since it is used rampantly, it should have made big news among cosmetic chemists and featured in dermatological journals. Another issue that disturbed me is the proliferation of anecdotal claims of readily available treatments that are not adequately regulated nor tested and may cause harm to gullible consumers. On the other hand, pharmaceutical products that have gone through the mill, are being downgraded. Sy M.D. Sy Skin Care http://www.lindasy.com Voice:Toll-free 877-sy (546-3279) FAX: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2000 Report Share Posted February 8, 2000 In a message dated 2/8/2000 1:49:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, lindasy@... writes: << Another issue that disturbed me is the proliferation of anecdotal claims of readily available treatments that are not adequately regulated nor tested and may cause harm to gullible consumers. On the other hand, pharmaceutical products that have gone through the mill, are being downgraded. >> I agree with this statement by Dr. Sy, but as a " cean " who has tried various pharmaceutical products with no results...and then turned to the inadequately regulated products (such as the Purple Emu AR Cream) only to see actual RESULTS...I feel divided. I would not even think about trying the unregulated products if the FDA products were more effective. How does everyone feel about this..........agree??????..........disagree?????????? KateWis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2000 Report Share Posted February 8, 2000 I agree Kate.... I've had a few of the prescribed topicals blister my face and turn it purple...therefore I will try what I please to get relief!! The Purple Emu products are natural for the most part....the Novacet I tried had a list of chemicals in it a mile long that I couldn't pronounce and my face was burnt and crispy for days....MetroGel did the same only it took 3 applications to accomplish the burnt swollen skin instead of one. It wasn't the sulphur or the metrodonizole either, I tolerate them both quite well in other topicals....so it was one or more of those other mystery chemicals. 3 weeks on A/R and I'm neither purple or burnt...very smooth and pale for a change. I will always listen to the Dr. but I can't be dependent on him, he's tring but it's not working so I have to help myself. Now. Aren't you sorry you asked!!?? Carolyn __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2000 Report Share Posted February 9, 2000 I am inclined to agree with Dr. Sy particularly regarding untested products which are taken internally. My own tendency is to steer clear of herbals etc. which make claims that have never been substantiated. I would be *somewhat* less concerned about topicals such as AR cream, particularly if the consumer can verify the ingredients. Even among topicals however, there is more risk of undesirable side-effects when dealing with products which have not been tested in a controlled environment. On the other hand I know how it feels to take standard remedies with little or no improvement. Caveat emptor... --Jim Re: Dimethecone > In a message dated 2/8/2000 1:49:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, > lindasy@... writes: > > << Another issue that disturbed me is the proliferation of anecdotal claims of > readily available treatments that are not adequately regulated nor tested > and may cause harm to gullible consumers. On the other hand, pharmaceutical > products that have gone through the mill, are being downgraded. >> > > I agree with this statement by Dr. Sy, but as a " cean " who has tried > various pharmaceutical products with no results...and then turned to the > inadequately regulated products (such as the Purple Emu AR Cream) only to > see actual RESULTS...I feel divided. I would not even think about trying the > unregulated products if the FDA products were more effective. > > How does everyone feel about > this..........agree??????..........disagree?????????? > KateWis > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please read the list highlights thoroughly before posting to the whole group. > see http://ii.net/~dp/rosacea/toc.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- Create a poll/survey for your group! > -- /vote?listname=rosacea-support & m=1 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2000 Report Share Posted February 10, 2000 KateWis, My statement was directed more to ingestion (oral) of many products with claims of curing myriads of ailments. I'm sure that many of these products can indeed help but there are as many that may do harm. These products should be regulated by the FDA and be required to present proofs to their claims before being allowed to advertize these claims. They should also be required to divulge prominently on the labels any possible side effects, warnings and contraindications just like any OTC drugs, for the protection of consumers. As for topical products with many " natural " ingredients, I feel that the word natural is a marketing strategy. Any product sold in a bottle, will not last a week unless there is preservative (this is a chemical - isn't it?) in the formulation. Try making a concoction of cucumber, olive oil, yogurt lavender, rosemary, chamomile etc etc - keep it in your refrigerator and see how long it lasts before molds & bacteria & rancidity set in. Any product that contains a mixture of water and oil or emollient will require an emulsifier and stabilizer. Read your labels - mixed with all the natural ingredients, you'll still find the chemicals. This reminds me of a conversation I overheard while attending a cosmetic chemist conference. Two chemists were discussing a product claiming papaya enzyme as an active ingredient. One said that his lab goes to the grocery, buys ripe papayas, puts it in blending machine then adds this to the formulation with the other natural ingredients plus as much preservatives as needed. Would you, as a consumer, prefer a high grade synthetic ingredient that has been tested, refined, sterilized, purified of contaminants; therefore, requiring less preservatives, to natural products that require more preservatives? Draw your own conclusions. Obviously, not all regulated products will work for everyone. You have to find what's right for your skin - be it natural or otherwise. Sy M.D. Sy Skin Care http://www.lindasy.com Voice:Toll-free 877-sy (546-3279) FAX: Re: Dimethecone > In a message dated 2/8/2000 1:49:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, > lindasy@... writes: > > << Another issue that disturbed me is the proliferation of anecdotal claims of > readily available treatments that are not adequately regulated nor tested > and may cause harm to gullible consumers. On the other hand, pharmaceutical > products that have gone through the mill, are being downgraded. >> > > I agree with this statement by Dr. Sy, but as a " cean " who has tried > various pharmaceutical products with no results...and then turned to the > inadequately regulated products (such as the Purple Emu AR Cream) only to > see actual RESULTS...I feel divided. I would not even think about trying the > unregulated products if the FDA products were more effective. > > How does everyone feel about > this..........agree??????..........disagree?????????? > KateWis > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please read the list highlights thoroughly before posting to the whole group. > see http://ii.net/~dp/rosacea/toc.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- Create a poll/survey for your group! > -- /vote?listname=rosacea-support & m=1 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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