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>Hi, I just got my lab results back and need a little help interpretating them.

Can someone help please?

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>ferritin 453 (10-291)

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>FT4 0.8 (0.8-1.8)

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>FT3 3.4 (2.3-4.2)

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>TSH (3rd generation) 2.299 (0.35-5.50)

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did you happen to have a full blood count {Hb RBC, WBC] , fasting iron

and TIBC , ESR and antibodies done? If so, post them as well.

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Alison, my iron was 168 (35-185)

Something happened to the tube of blood for the CBC ??? so I am having that

drawn again tomorrow. No antibodies were done. I had them done 1-2 years ago

and it was negative at that time. I don't have any medical insurance so I

couldn't have everything done and had to draw the line somewhere.

Thanks,

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did you happen to have a full blood count {Hb RBC, WBC] , fasting iron

and TIBC , ESR and antibodies done? If so, post them as well.

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>Alison, my iron was 168 (35-185)

>

>

was this blood taken after fasting?

>Something happened to the tube of blood for the CBC ??? so I am having that

drawn again tomorrow. No antibodies were done. I had them done 1-2 years ago

and it was negative at that time. I don't have any medical insurance so I

couldn't have everything done and had to draw the line somewhere.

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it would be very worthwhile getting an esr [erythrocyte sedimentation

rate] done as well as its a basic and easy test for inflammation and

would help with interpreting the high ferritin. also make sure you are

well hydrated -plain water

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In a message dated 10/21/2004 5:32:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,

strollerb@... writes:

> How does this look? I take 6 grains of Armour daily, divided.

>

well..it looks like to me you could have better Free T3...and wow..amazing

that you're taking 6 grains and it's that low. but how do you FEEL? If you feel

good, then those labs are fine.

cindi

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yes, I was fasting

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Miksis wrote:

>Alison, my iron was 168 (35-185)

>

>

was this blood taken after fasting?

>Something happened to the tube of blood for the CBC ??? so I am having that

drawn again tomorrow. No antibodies were done. I had them done 1-2 years ago

and it was negative at that time. I don't have any medical insurance so I

couldn't have everything done and had to draw the line somewhere.

>

>

>

>

>

it would be very worthwhile getting an esr [erythrocyte sedimentation

rate] done as well as its a basic and easy test for inflammation and

would help with interpreting the high ferritin. also make sure you are

well hydrated -plain water

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are you taking iron pills? If so stop right away, Go give some blood then in 4

weeks have your ferritin tested again. Are you on Armour? If so, add 15 mg or

maybe 30 mgs if you can handle it. Are your palms red?

Lab Experts Needed

Hi, I just got my lab results back and need a little help interpretating

them. Can someone help please?

ferritin 453 (10-291)

FT4 0.8 (0.8-1.8)

FT3 3.4 (2.3-4.2)

TSH (3rd generation) 2.299 (0.35-5.50)

How does this look? I take 6 grains of Armour daily, divided.

Thanks,

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Whoa!! I am not an expert as to what amount of Ferritin is too high,

but yours looks WAY too high. As Alison stated, you might want to

investigate that.

As far as your thyroid hormones, if you are on 6 grains daily and

have numbers like that, you are DEFINITELY a candidate to add Cytomel

to your Armour. You probably have a conversion problem. ALSO, with a

conversion problem, you need to spacing out those 6 grains all during

the day.

How do you feel, by the way??

Janie

>

> ferritin 453 (10-291)

>

> FT4 0.8 (0.8-1.8)

>

> FT3 3.4 (2.3-4.2)

>

>

> TSH (3rd generation) 2.299 (0.35-5.50)

>

>

> How does this look? I take 6 grains of Armour daily, divided.

> Thanks,

>

>

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If I had labs like that on 6 grains daily, I would be increasing my Armour.

Your Free T4 is JUST in range and Free T3 is not where it should be either.

Your Ferritin should definitely be looked into.. too high!

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, duh on me. Your high Ferritin is probably WHY you have low free

T3!! It's binding the T3. Also read below:

Hemochromatosis is a condition that develops when too much iron

builds up in the body. Small amounts of iron are normally stored in

the liver, kidneys, and heart, but excess iron will eventually damage

these organs.

There are two types of hemochromatosis:

Hereditary (genetic) hemochromatosis. The most common form of

hemochromatosis is passed down through the genes in families. If your

parents, any of your brothers, sisters, and/or children have genetic

hemochromatosis, then you also may want to be tested for it.

Acquired (secondary) hemochromatosis. You can develop acquired

hemochromatosis from having many blood transfusions, certain blood

disorders (such as thalassemia), chronic liver disease, or from

taking excessive or unnecessary iron supplements. In rare cases, you

may develop hemochromatosis if you have too much iron in your diet.

Hereditary hemochromatosis is the most common genetic disorder in

white people, especially those of Northern European descent.

Hemochromatosis is much more common in men than in women. Most people

with hemochromatosis develop symptoms between the ages of 40 and 60,

because excess iron builds up slowly throughout life.

Early symptoms include:

Fatigue.

Joint pain (arthralgias), usually in the hands, hips, knees, and/or

ankles.

Weakness.

Weight loss.

Abdominal pain.

Decreased sexual drive, including impotence.

If hemochromatosis is recognized early, it can be treated before

other problems develop. It is treated by removing excess iron from

the blood, either by removing blood from the body (phlebotomy) or by

taking a medication (chelating agent) that binds to and removes iron

from the body. Inherited hemochromatosis requires treatment

throughout a person's life. Acquired hemochromatosis does not need

further treatment once the condition has been corrected.

http://my.webmd.com/hw/health_guide_atoz/sth149691.asp?navbar=hw6212

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Hemochromotosis possibly? Iron overload...fairly common.

Laurie

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Whoa!! I am not an expert as to what amount of Ferritin is too high,

but yours looks WAY too high. As Alison stated, you might want to

investigate that.

As far as your thyroid hormones, if you are on 6 grains daily and

have numbers like that, you are DEFINITELY a candidate to add Cytomel

to your Armour. You probably have a conversion problem. ALSO, with a

conversion problem, you need to spacing out those 6 grains all during

the day.

How do you feel, by the way??

Janie

>

> ferritin 453 (10-291)

>

> FT4 0.8 (0.8-1.8)

>

> FT3 3.4 (2.3-4.2)

>

>

> TSH (3rd generation) 2.299 (0.35-5.50)

>

>

> How does this look? I take 6 grains of Armour daily, divided.

> Thanks,

>

>

>

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I haven't taken iron in months----maybe a year. And I had gastric bypass

surgery and iron is one of the elements that I cannot absorb directly from food.

And not from ferrous sulfate either. It's supposed to be in the form of ferrous

fumerate. My stomach surgery was 4 years ago, and during the first 2 years

after surgery, my iron was low and ferritin was in the basement. I took my

supplements in year 3, but like I said, not during the past year.

Yes, I am on 6 grains of Armour daily

Thanks,

Lab Experts Needed

Hi, I just got my lab results back and need a little help interpretating

them. Can someone help please?

ferritin 453 (10-291)

FT4 0.8 (0.8-1.8)

FT3 3.4 (2.3-4.2)

TSH (3rd generation) 2.299 (0.35-5.50)

How does this look? I take 6 grains of Armour daily, divided.

Thanks,

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, Thanks for your response. Do you think I should increase Armour or

just the T3?

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If I had labs like that on 6 grains daily, I would be increasing my Armour.

Your Free T4 is JUST in range and Free T3 is not where it should be either.

Your Ferritin should definitely be looked into.. too high!

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i say go with the armour. you need to get both your t3 and t4 up, and

armour will do both. you don't want to be just in range, or in range,

you want to be pushing the top of the range, at least.

just my 2c.

best,

baron

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> , Thanks for your response. Do you think I should increase

> Armour or just the T3?

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> If I had labs like that on 6 grains daily, I would be increasing my

> Armour.

> Your Free T4 is JUST in range and Free T3 is not where it should be

> either.

> Your Ferritin should definitely be looked into.. too high!

> *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

>

>

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Oh Janie, now your scaring me. So is the answer to increase T3 or decrease

ferritin, or both??? the only chelating that I know of goes through an IV. Is

there also a pill?

I have all of the symptoms that you listed except for the weight loss. But then

again, don't most of us here, before treatment?

I don't know of any relatives that had hemochromatosis. What is it that you

test for?

Thanks,

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, duh on me. Your high Ferritin is probably WHY you have low free

T3!! It's binding the T3. Also read below:

Hemochromatosis is a condition that develops when too much iron

builds up in the body. Small amounts of iron are normally stored in

the liver, kidneys, and heart, but excess iron will eventually damage

these organs.

There are two types of hemochromatosis:

Hereditary (genetic) hemochromatosis. The most common form of

hemochromatosis is passed down through the genes in families. If your

parents, any of your brothers, sisters, and/or children have genetic

hemochromatosis, then you also may want to be tested for it.

Acquired (secondary) hemochromatosis. You can develop acquired

hemochromatosis from having many blood transfusions, certain blood

disorders (such as thalassemia), chronic liver disease, or from

taking excessive or unnecessary iron supplements. In rare cases, you

may develop hemochromatosis if you have too much iron in your diet.

Hereditary hemochromatosis is the most common genetic disorder in

white people, especially those of Northern European descent.

Hemochromatosis is much more common in men than in women. Most people

with hemochromatosis develop symptoms between the ages of 40 and 60,

because excess iron builds up slowly throughout life.

Early symptoms include:

Fatigue.

Joint pain (arthralgias), usually in the hands, hips, knees, and/or

ankles.

Weakness.

Weight loss.

Abdominal pain.

Decreased sexual drive, including impotence.

If hemochromatosis is recognized early, it can be treated before

other problems develop. It is treated by removing excess iron from

the blood, either by removing blood from the body (phlebotomy) or by

taking a medication (chelating agent) that binds to and removes iron

from the body. Inherited hemochromatosis requires treatment

throughout a person's life. Acquired hemochromatosis does not need

further treatment once the condition has been corrected.

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With your Free T4 being that low, I would increase the Armour.

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See if you can get a % of iron saturation. Both your ferritin and

iron are elevated. Could be the early signs of hemochromatosis.

Louise

>

> Whoa!! I am not an expert as to what amount of Ferritin is too

high,

> but yours looks WAY too high. As Alison stated, you might want to

> investigate that.

>

> As far as your thyroid hormones, if you are on 6 grains daily and

> have numbers like that, you are DEFINITELY a candidate to add

Cytomel

> to your Armour. You probably have a conversion problem. ALSO, with

a

> conversion problem, you need to spacing out those 6 grains all

during

> the day.

>

> How do you feel, by the way??

>

> Janie

> >

> > ferritin 453 (10-291)

> >

> > FT4 0.8 (0.8-1.8)

> >

> > FT3 3.4 (2.3-4.2)

> >

> >

> > TSH (3rd generation) 2.299 (0.35-5.50)

> >

> >

> > How does this look? I take 6 grains of Armour daily, divided.

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> >

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cindi,

I still feel kind of tired and sluggish, with brain fog, poor memory, painful

joints. I wanted to have lab work done before increasing the Armour because it

seemed to me that I was taking a large dose compaired to most people on the list

here and I didn't want to over due it before seeing where my labs were.

Thanks,

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In a message dated 10/21/2004 5:32:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,

strollerb@... writes:

> How does this look? I take 6 grains of Armour daily, divided.

>

well..it looks like to me you could have better Free T3...and wow..amazing

that you're taking 6 grains and it's that low. but how do you FEEL? If you

feel

good, then those labs are fine.

cindi

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In a message dated 10/22/2004 8:40:47 AM Eastern Standard Time,

strollerb@... writes:

> Actually it was my psychiatrist who wanted me to had the labs drawn. But

> I'm going to send a copy to my medical doctor too.

>

Well done for your psychiatrist...at least some of them are referring their

patients for thyroid function tests. That is good to hear.

Cindi

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M.

Have you been taking iron? How long have you been on this dose of thyroid,

so that we can see whether the dose you mentioned has " come into being " yet

(the T4)? If you have not been taking iron, then this is looking like iron

overload. Really, regardless or whether you've been taking iron by mouth or

not, this is iron overload. What did your doctor tell you about this?

Lab Experts Needed

>

> Hi, I just got my lab results back and need a little help interpretating

them. Can someone help please?

>

> ferritin 453 (10-291)

>

> FT4 0.8 (0.8-1.8)

>

> FT3 3.4 (2.3-4.2)

>

>

> TSH (3rd generation) 2.299 (0.35-5.50)

>

>

> How does this look? I take 6 grains of Armour daily, divided.

> Thanks,

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Yes, you could use another 15 to 30 mgs more of Armour, but it could be that

very high ferritin making you feel this way also. You can feel bad either

from lack of iron OR an overload. That iron is entirely too high. I'm

thinking that maybe you don't drink 6 to 8 glasses of water per day maybe?

This needs to be looked into, and you DO need those RBCs and WBCs also.

Glad you're having it redrawn.

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>

> cindi,

> I still feel kind of tired and sluggish, with brain fog, poor memory,

painful joints. I wanted to have lab work done before increasing the

Armour because it seemed to me that I was taking a large dose compaired to

most people on the list here and I didn't want to over due it before seeing

where my labs were.

>

> Thanks,

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Hi ,

No, I'm not taking iron now, not in about a year. My doctor hasn't seen the

results yet. Actually it was my psychiatrist who wanted me to had the labs

drawn. But I'm going to send a copy to my medical doctor too.

I've been taking 6 grains of Armour for 8 weeks.

Lab Experts Needed

>

> Hi, I just got my lab results back and need a little help interpretating

them. Can someone help please?

>

> ferritin 453 (10-291)

>

> FT4 0.8 (0.8-1.8)

>

> FT3 3.4 (2.3-4.2)

>

>

> TSH (3rd generation) 2.299 (0.35-5.50)

>

>

> How does this look? I take 6 grains of Armour daily, divided.

> Thanks,

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