Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 Hi Shanna, I've had so many helpful replies to my rhetorical question about dying from obesity vs dying from WLS and I'm loving it. You hit the nail on the head--for the last 18 months I have not been living and I'm hating it. I've been heavy for as long as I can remember but always active and healthy but it seems as though in the last 18 months the you-know-what-hit the fan. Last year I went to the State Fair six times and was never short of breath, tired or in pain. This year I sent my daughter with friends so she wouldn't miss out because guess what--mama can barely walk to the damn car without thinking I'm gonna die. Not much has changed except I'm a year older and a lifetime of fat must be catching up with me. My real hesitation is my daughter. If it was just me and I die from it well then I fought the good fight and lost. If I die my 13 year old will be an orphan with a totally irresponsible father who can't even take care of himself, dead grandparents and no family members that I would care to entrust her with. My poor baby is terrifed that something will happen as a result of surgery and doesn't really understand that something will happen without it. She sees the difference in me, but doesn't understand the silent killer obesity as opposed to mama's going under the knife. So, we decided to do some family therapy and that's helping a lot. We have a wonderful, loving therapist who understands the situation perfectly and is really helping my daughter sort out her fears and look at the facts. The reality is as impatient as I am about all of this, the delay is good for my daughter and truth be told as much as I want to be thin and healthy, my main reason is my daughter is my heart and soul and I'm not ready to leave her. So, I've got to make sure she's ready even more than myself and time is the only thing that's going to do that. Thanks for the words of encouragement!skeaquinta wrote: Hey I just wanted to say hang in there...you're date will come! The CPAP thing...just all part of you being in the best possible health you can be for surgery. Get clarification as to whether you need to be on the machine for that long prior to surgery or that long before you can be scheduled for surgery or what. I know the CPAP is a pain in the rear, but ya know, you might not need it for long. I am now 6mo out and havent needed mine for the past 3mo or so! YAY!As for your question on what the bigger risk is...well, I guess I cant really answer that for you...its gotta be the best choice in your own mind. I know for me and asking myself do I take the risk of dying from surgery or dying from not having surgery...well, my real answer was that I wasnt REALLY living having that much excess weight on me and it was only going to get worse and I didnt want to become a burden to my daughter because I could no longer take care of myself or my family (yes, I was headed there, I believe) Again though...like I have told others, you really need to be right with the whole process in your own head...no one REALLY needs to live with this forever but you.Shanna> (and everyone),> > If you ask a question and don't get a sufficient answer, please post that question again and note that this is the second time you've asked! I am on several WLS online support groups, and I get 250-300 e-mails per day from these groups (I know, my choice!). I think most of us are on information overload. Please don't interpret the lack of answers as lack of concern.> > And I, for one, usually won't answer a question if someone else already has, and has answered it completely. If the answer provided wasn't satisfying, or raised other questions, feel free to ask for clarification.> > And as for you accidentally noting the "wrong wife," I think that people's responses were not meant to be condescending. I myself hit "reply" to correct the wife, but then saw others had already done so. No biggie. I went back and read what you said about breast cancer, and thought "how nice" that you were concerned enough to post. Again, it's the limits of the written word versus the spoken word, and we do not have the benefit of seeing expressions on faces or hearing tone in voices. I don't think anyone meant to be mean-spirited.> > So, what are those questions you're wanting answers to? I tend to look at you, as one of the old-timers -- you're usually GIVING the answers rather than needing them. I'm more than happy to offer my opinion, solicited or unsolicited, if you'd like it. ;-)> > Laurie W.> > > > Re: Disturbing News Piece> > > Yup, I goofed. Wish I got as many response to my WLS surgery questions as I've got to the mistaken wife > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 Hi LaWanda, You're right--it's exactly the same thing. When you're all someone else has, you really have to think long and hard about your decisions. I used to not even have a driver's license and walked and took the bus everywhere. Maybe that's part of the problem. I was extremely active because I was so active and kept the wolves at bay. As soon as I stopped walking and riding the bus, I could tell the difference. Like you, I couldn't take a bus now if my life depended on it. Well, I supposed I could if it stopped right in front of my destination! Sometimes I really have to reach for the motivation--I know what I want and on the one hand my daughter is supportive but on the other hand, she's always told me she loves me just as I am and now she's telling me even more. She even tells me how much her friends like me and although I think it's true, I also think in her child's mind if she can make me believe I'm all right as is, I won't take the risk of surgery. I just know in my heart of hearts that if I can get her through this, she'll have me around so much longer than if I don't go through it. Part of me would love nothing more than to go home to the Lord, but the bigger part (no pun intended) doesn't want to leave my daughter. So, while I have peace about the possibility of death, I just don't want to miss my daughter's life. So, we keep plugging along and we'll work with the family counelor to dispel our fears and see where it takes us. Blessings to you and your hubby, ChrisLaWanda Ezell wrote: Hi I think I know exactly how you feel, even though I don't have a daughter or children at all. I do have a husband, and we are an unusually close couple and have only each other. Oh we have friends and some family, but they could not fill the empty hole that would be left if something happened to either of us. I too have been heavy for a long time, really all my life, and I have had diabetes for twenty years and have done little about it except for eating what I wanted and throwing meds at it and hoping they would help.For the last several months, I have been feeling bad and not even taking bus or lightrail to anywhere. Instead I take Paratransit everywhere, a door to door service that doesn't involve any walking at all, and walking used to be about the only exercise I'd get, but I got plenty of it. A few months ago I woke up to the fact that I am going to die, just as my sister did in '03 from obesity, if I don't stop this and do something constructive about it. If I die, my husband won't have anyone, and that wouldn't be fair because he was alone for so long before he got me, and I know how that feels because I was that way too.I have started the procedure, and have lost a little weight and have even begun to exercise some, starting to walk some and to get on my elliptical, and I will continue and make a success of this no matter what! There are days when I would just love to eat anything without worrying about what I'm putting into my body, and sometimes I do give in and eat things that I shouldn't, but I am determined to get to my pre-op goal weight of 264, no matter what it takes. If you have that kind of determination, and I feel certain that you must because of your motivation, I feel certain that you will make it and reach your goal. Just hang in there and try not to feel too bad and frustrated, you'll get there. Hugs, LaWanda At 11:29 AM 11/9/04, you wrote:>Hi Shanna,>>I've had so many helpful replies to my rhetorical question about dying >from obesity vs dying from WLS and I'm loving it. You hit the nail on the >head--for the last 18 months I have not been living and I'm hating >it. I've been heavy for as long as I can remember but always active and >healthy but it seems as though in the last 18 months the you-know-what-hit >the fan. Last year I went to the State Fair six times and was never short >of breath, tired or in pain. This year I sent my daughter with friends so >she wouldn't miss out because guess what--mama can barely walk to the damn >car without thinking I'm gonna die. Not much has changed except I'm a >year older and a lifetime of fat must be catching up with me. My real >hesitation is my daughter. If it was just me and I die from it well then >I fought the good fight and lost. If I die my 13 year old will be an >orphan with a totally irresponsible father who can't even take care of >himself, dead grandparents and no family members that I would care to >entrust her with. My poor baby is terrifed that something will happen as >a result of surgery and doesn't really understand that something will >happen without it. She sees the difference in me, but doesn't understand >the silent killer obesity as opposed to mama's going under the knife. So, >we decided to do some family therapy and that's helping a lot. We have a >wonderful, loving therapist who understands the situation perfectly and is >really helping my daughter sort out her fears and look at the facts. The >reality is as impatient as I am about all of this, the delay is good for >my daughter and truth be told as much as I want to be thin and healthy, my >main reason is my daughter is my heart and soul and I'm not ready to leave >her. So, I've got to make sure she's ready even more than myself and time >is the only thing that's going to do that. Thanks for the words of >encouragement!>>skeaquinta wrote:>>Hey >I just wanted to say hang in there...you're date will come! The CPAP>thing...just all part of you being in the best possible health you>can be for surgery. Get clarification as to whether you need to be on>the machine for that long prior to surgery or that long before you>can be scheduled for surgery or what. I know the CPAP is a pain in>the rear, but ya know, you might not need it for long. I am now 6mo>out and havent needed mine for the past 3mo or so! YAY!>As for your question on what the bigger risk is...well, I guess I>cant really answer that for you...its gotta be the best choice in>your own mind. I know for me and asking myself do I take the risk of>dying from surgery or dying from not having surgery...well, my real>answer was that I wasnt REALLY living having that much excess weight>on me and it was only going to get worse and I didnt want to become a>burden to my daughter because I could no longer take care of myself>or my family (yes, I was headed there, I believe) Again though...like>I have told others, you really need to be right with the whole>process in your own head...no one REALLY needs to live with this>forever but you.>Shanna>>> > (and everyone),> >> > If you ask a question and don't get a sufficient answer, please>post that question again and note that this is the second time you've>asked! I am on several WLS online support groups, and I get 250-300>e-mails per day from these groups (I know, my choice!). I think>most of us are on information overload. Please don't interpret the>lack of answers as lack of concern.> >> > And I, for one, usually won't answer a question if someone else>already has, and has answered it completely. If the answer provided>wasn't satisfying, or raised other questions, feel free to ask for>clarification.> >> > And as for you accidentally noting the "wrong wife," I think that>people's responses were not meant to be condescending. I myself>hit "reply" to correct the wife, but then saw others had already done>so. No biggie. I went back and read what you said about breast>cancer, and thought "how nice" that you were concerned enough to>post. Again, it's the limits of the written word versus the spoken>word, and we do not have the benefit of seeing expressions on faces>or hearing tone in voices. I don't think anyone meant to be mean->spirited.> >> > So, what are those questions you're wanting answers to? I tend to>look at you, as one of the old-timers -- you're usually GIVING>the answers rather than needing them. I'm more than happy to offer>my opinion, solicited or unsolicited, if you'd like it. ;-)> >> > Laurie W.> >> >> >> > Re: Disturbing>News Piece> >> >> > Yup, I goofed. Wish I got as many response to my WLS surgery>questions as I've got to the mistaken wife> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 And blessings to you and your daughter! I know you'll get through this together. It must be hard to have to try to put someone you love so much at ease with this thing while you are making yourself comfortable as well! I admire your determination, and at the same time I feel lucky not to have to convince my husband. As always he is very supportive of what I am doing saying, as he always does about anything, " I just want you to be happy. " Hugs and good wishes to you, LaWanda At 02:02 PM 11/10/04, you wrote: >Hi LaWanda, > >You're right--it's exactly the same thing. When you're all someone else >has, you really have to think long and hard about your decisions. I used >to not even have a driver's license and walked and took the bus >everywhere. Maybe that's part of the problem. I was extremely active >because I was so active and kept the wolves at bay. As soon as I stopped >walking and riding the bus, I could tell the difference. Like you, I >couldn't take a bus now if my life depended on it. Well, I supposed I >could if it stopped right in front of my destination! Sometimes I really >have to reach for the motivation--I know what I want and on the one hand >my daughter is supportive but on the other hand, she's always told me she >loves me just as I am and now she's telling me even more. She even tells >me how much her friends like me and although I think it's true, I also >think in her child's mind if she can make me believe I'm all right as is, >I won't take the risk of surgery. I just know in my heart of hearts that >if I can get her through this, she'll have me around so much longer than >if I don't go through it. Part of me would love nothing more than to go >home to the Lord, but the bigger part (no pun intended) doesn't want to >leave my daughter. So, while I have peace about the possibility of death, >I just don't want to miss my daughter's life. So, we keep plugging along >and we'll work with the family counelor to dispel our fears and see where >it takes us. > >Blessings to you and your hubby, > >Chris > >LaWanda Ezell wrote: >Hi I think I know exactly how you feel, even though I don't have a >daughter or children at all. I do have a husband, and we are an unusually >close couple and have only each other. Oh we have friends and some family, >but they could not fill the empty hole that would be left if something >happened to either of us. I too have been heavy for a long time, really >all my life, and I have had diabetes for twenty years and have done little >about it except for eating what I wanted and throwing meds at it and hoping >they would help. >For the last several months, I have been feeling bad and not even taking >bus or lightrail to anywhere. Instead I take Paratransit everywhere, a >door to door service that doesn't involve any walking at all, and walking >used to be about the only exercise I'd get, but I got plenty of it. A few >months ago I woke up to the fact that I am going to die, just as my sister >did in '03 from obesity, if I don't stop this and do something constructive >about it. If I die, my husband won't have anyone, and that wouldn't be >fair because he was alone for so long before he got me, and I know how that >feels because I was that way too. >I have started the procedure, and have lost a little weight and have even >begun to exercise some, starting to walk some and to get on my elliptical, >and I will continue and make a success of this no matter what! There are >days when I would just love to eat anything without worrying about what I'm >putting into my body, and sometimes I do give in and eat things that I >shouldn't, but I am determined to get to my pre-op goal weight of 264, no >matter what it takes. If you have that kind of determination, and I feel >certain that you must because of your motivation, I feel certain that you >will make it and reach your goal. Just hang in there and try not to feel >too bad and frustrated, you'll get there. Hugs, LaWanda At 11:29 AM >11/9/04, you wrote: > >Hi Shanna, > > > >I've had so many helpful replies to my rhetorical question about dying > >from obesity vs dying from WLS and I'm loving it. You hit the nail on the > >head--for the last 18 months I have not been living and I'm hating > >it. I've been heavy for as long as I can remember but always active and > >healthy but it seems as though in the last 18 months the you-know-what-hit > >the fan. Last year I went to the State Fair six times and was never short > >of breath, tired or in pain. This year I sent my daughter with friends so > >she wouldn't miss out because guess what--mama can barely walk to the damn > >car without thinking I'm gonna die. Not much has changed except I'm a > >year older and a lifetime of fat must be catching up with me. My real > >hesitation is my daughter. If it was just me and I die from it well then > >I fought the good fight and lost. If I die my 13 year old will be an > >orphan with a totally irresponsible father who can't even take care of > >himself, dead grandparents and no family members that I would care to > >entrust her with. My poor baby is terrifed that something will happen as > >a result of surgery and doesn't really understand that something will > >happen without it. She sees the difference in me, but doesn't understand > >the silent killer obesity as opposed to mama's going under the knife. So, > >we decided to do some family therapy and that's helping a lot. We have a > >wonderful, loving therapist who understands the situation perfectly and is > >really helping my daughter sort out her fears and look at the facts. The > >reality is as impatient as I am about all of this, the delay is good for > >my daughter and truth be told as much as I want to be thin and healthy, my > >main reason is my daughter is my heart and soul and I'm not ready to leave > >her. So, I've got to make sure she's ready even more than myself and time > >is the only thing that's going to do that. Thanks for the words of > >encouragement! > > > >skeaquinta wrote: > > > >Hey > >I just wanted to say hang in there...you're date will come! The CPAP > >thing...just all part of you being in the best possible health you > >can be for surgery. Get clarification as to whether you need to be on > >the machine for that long prior to surgery or that long before you > >can be scheduled for surgery or what. I know the CPAP is a pain in > >the rear, but ya know, you might not need it for long. I am now 6mo > >out and havent needed mine for the past 3mo or so! YAY! > >As for your question on what the bigger risk is...well, I guess I > >cant really answer that for you...its gotta be the best choice in > >your own mind. I know for me and asking myself do I take the risk of > >dying from surgery or dying from not having surgery...well, my real > >answer was that I wasnt REALLY living having that much excess weight > >on me and it was only going to get worse and I didnt want to become a > >burden to my daughter because I could no longer take care of myself > >or my family (yes, I was headed there, I believe) Again though...like > >I have told others, you really need to be right with the whole > >process in your own head...no one REALLY needs to live with this > >forever but you. > >Shanna > > > > > > > (and everyone), > > > > > > If you ask a question and don't get a sufficient answer, please > >post that question again and note that this is the second time you've > >asked! I am on several WLS online support groups, and I get 250-300 > >e-mails per day from these groups (I know, my choice!). I think > >most of us are on information overload. Please don't interpret the > >lack of answers as lack of concern. > > > > > > And I, for one, usually won't answer a question if someone else > >already has, and has answered it completely. If the answer provided > >wasn't satisfying, or raised other questions, feel free to ask for > >clarification. > > > > > > And as for you accidentally noting the " wrong wife, " I think that > >people's responses were not meant to be condescending. I myself > >hit " reply " to correct the wife, but then saw others had already done > >so. No biggie. I went back and read what you said about breast > >cancer, and thought " how nice " that you were concerned enough to > >post. Again, it's the limits of the written word versus the spoken > >word, and we do not have the benefit of seeing expressions on faces > >or hearing tone in voices. I don't think anyone meant to be mean- > >spirited. > > > > > > So, what are those questions you're wanting answers to? I tend to > >look at you, as one of the old-timers -- you're usually GIVING > >the answers rather than needing them. I'm more than happy to offer > >my opinion, solicited or unsolicited, if you'd like it. ;-) > > > > > > Laurie W. > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Disturbing > >News Piece > > > > > > > > > Yup, I goofed. Wish I got as many response to my WLS surgery > >questions as I've got to the mistaken wife > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 Yes, we'll work it out. It helps her a lot that we talk about being in the will of God and whether we are prayerfully making this decision. The counselor works at our church so she is on the same page and that has made a big difference. I have to believe that in His wisdom God orchestrated this delay so we could deal with all the issues and she could be as comfortable as possible. BlessingsLaWanda Ezell wrote: And blessings to you and your daughter! I know you'll get through this together. It must be hard to have to try to put someone you love so much at ease with this thing while you are making yourself comfortable as well! I admire your determination, and at the same time I feel lucky not to have to convince my husband. As always he is very supportive of what I am doing saying, as he always does about anything, "I just want you to be happy." Hugs and good wishes to you, LaWanda At 02:02 PM 11/10/04, you wrote:>Hi LaWanda,>>You're right--it's exactly the same thing. When you're all someone else >has, you really have to think long and hard about your decisions. I used >to not even have a driver's license and walked and took the bus >everywhere. Maybe that's part of the problem. I was extremely active >because I was so active and kept the wolves at bay. As soon as I stopped >walking and riding the bus, I could tell the difference. Like you, I >couldn't take a bus now if my life depended on it. Well, I supposed I >could if it stopped right in front of my destination! Sometimes I really >have to reach for the motivation--I know what I want and on the one hand >my daughter is supportive but on the other hand, she's always told me she >loves me just as I am and now she's telling me even more. She even tells >me how much her friends like me and although I think it's true, I also >think in her child's mind if she can make me believe I'm all right as is, >I won't take the risk of surgery. I just know in my heart of hearts that >if I can get her through this, she'll have me around so much longer than >if I don't go through it. Part of me would love nothing more than to go >home to the Lord, but the bigger part (no pun intended) doesn't want to >leave my daughter. So, while I have peace about the possibility of death, >I just don't want to miss my daughter's life. So, we keep plugging along >and we'll work with the family counelor to dispel our fears and see where >it takes us.>>Blessings to you and your hubby,>>Chris>>LaWanda Ezell wrote:>Hi I think I know exactly how you feel, even though I don't have a>daughter or children at all. I do have a husband, and we are an unusually>close couple and have only each other. Oh we have friends and some family,>but they could not fill the empty hole that would be left if something>happened to either of us. I too have been heavy for a long time, really>all my life, and I have had diabetes for twenty years and have done little>about it except for eating what I wanted and throwing meds at it and hoping>they would help.>For the last several months, I have been feeling bad and not even taking>bus or lightrail to anywhere. Instead I take Paratransit everywhere, a>door to door service that doesn't involve any walking at all, and walking>used to be about the only exercise I'd get, but I got plenty of it. A few>months ago I woke up to the fact that I am going to die, just as my sister>did in '03 from obesity, if I don't stop this and do something constructive>about it. If I die, my husband won't have anyone, and that wouldn't be>fair because he was alone for so long before he got me, and I know how that>feels because I was that way too.>I have started the procedure, and have lost a little weight and have even>begun to exercise some, starting to walk some and to get on my elliptical,>and I will continue and make a success of this no matter what! There are>days when I would just love to eat anything without worrying about what I'm>putting into my body, and sometimes I do give in and eat things that I>shouldn't, but I am determined to get to my pre-op goal weight of 264, no>matter what it takes. If you have that kind of determination, and I feel>certain that you must because of your motivation, I feel certain that you>will make it and reach your goal. Just hang in there and try not to feel>too bad and frustrated, you'll get there. Hugs, LaWanda At 11:29 AM>11/9/04, you wrote:> >Hi Shanna,> >> >I've had so many helpful replies to my rhetorical question about dying> >from obesity vs dying from WLS and I'm loving it. You hit the nail on the> >head--for the last 18 months I have not been living and I'm hating> >it. I've been heavy for as long as I can remember but always active and> >healthy but it seems as though in the last 18 months the you-know-what-hit> >the fan. Last year I went to the State Fair six times and was never short> >of breath, tired or in pain. This year I sent my daughter with friends so> >she wouldn't miss out because guess what--mama can barely walk to the damn> >car without thinking I'm gonna die. Not much has changed except I'm a> >year older and a lifetime of fat must be catching up with me. My real> >hesitation is my daughter. If it was just me and I die from it well then> >I fought the good fight and lost. If I die my 13 year old will be an> >orphan with a totally irresponsible father who can't even take care of> >himself, dead grandparents and no family members that I would care to> >entrust her with. My poor baby is terrifed that something will happen as> >a result of surgery and doesn't really understand that something will> >happen without it. She sees the difference in me, but doesn't understand> >the silent killer obesity as opposed to mama's going under the knife. So,> >we decided to do some family therapy and that's helping a lot. We have a> >wonderful, loving therapist who understands the situation perfectly and is> >really helping my daughter sort out her fears and look at the facts. The> >reality is as impatient as I am about all of this, the delay is good for> >my daughter and truth be told as much as I want to be thin and healthy, my> >main reason is my daughter is my heart and soul and I'm not ready to leave> >her. So, I've got to make sure she's ready even more than myself and time> >is the only thing that's going to do that. Thanks for the words of> >encouragement!> >> >skeaquinta wrote:> >> >Hey > >I just wanted to say hang in there...you're date will come! The CPAP> >thing...just all part of you being in the best possible health you> >can be for surgery. Get clarification as to whether you need to be on> >the machine for that long prior to surgery or that long before you> >can be scheduled for surgery or what. I know the CPAP is a pain in> >the rear, but ya know, you might not need it for long. I am now 6mo> >out and havent needed mine for the past 3mo or so! YAY!> >As for your question on what the bigger risk is...well, I guess I> >cant really answer that for you...its gotta be the best choice in> >your own mind. I know for me and asking myself do I take the risk of> >dying from surgery or dying from not having surgery...well, my real> >answer was that I wasnt REALLY living having that much excess weight> >on me and it was only going to get worse and I didnt want to become a> >burden to my daughter because I could no longer take care of myself> >or my family (yes, I was headed there, I believe) Again though...like> >I have told others, you really need to be right with the whole> >process in your own head...no one REALLY needs to live with this> >forever but you.> >Shanna> >> >> > > (and everyone),> > >> > > If you ask a question and don't get a sufficient answer, please> >post that question again and note that this is the second time you've> >asked! I am on several WLS online support groups, and I get 250-300> >e-mails per day from these groups (I know, my choice!). I think> >most of us are on information overload. Please don't interpret the> >lack of answers as lack of concern.> > >> > > And I, for one, usually won't answer a question if someone else> >already has, and has answered it completely. If the answer provided> >wasn't satisfying, or raised other questions, feel free to ask for> >clarification.> > >> > > And as for you accidentally noting the "wrong wife," I think that> >people's responses were not meant to be condescending. I myself> >hit "reply" to correct the wife, but then saw others had already done> >so. No biggie. I went back and read what you said about breast> >cancer, and thought "how nice" that you were concerned enough to> >post. Again, it's the limits of the written word versus the spoken> >word, and we do not have the benefit of seeing expressions on faces> >or hearing tone in voices. I don't think anyone meant to be mean-> >spirited.> > >> > > So, what are those questions you're wanting answers to? I tend to> >look at you, as one of the old-timers -- you're usually GIVING> >the answers rather than needing them. I'm more than happy to offer> >my opinion, solicited or unsolicited, if you'd like it. ;-)> > >> > > Laurie W.> > >> > >> > >> > > Re: Disturbing> >News Piece> > >> > >> > > Yup, I goofed. Wish I got as many response to my WLS surgery> >questions as I've got to the mistaken wife> > >> > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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