Re: Goat yogurt caused reaction

[Guest guest]

Kim,

How much yogurt were you giving?

We recommend no more than 1/8th to 1/4 tsp, even skipping

every other day in the beginning. The yogurt is powerful stuff.

After 2 weeks of yogurt, with someone who had been very

sensitive before, it might be reasonable to be up to giving 1/2- 1

tsp per day.

As for the comment about the yogurt containing casein. It

certainly does. No one has ever said that there is any casein

gone from making yogurt. It is the lactose that is consumed

during the 24 hour fermentation.

I am glad to hear that your son made so much progress during

his therapy.

Jody

mom to -5 and -7

SCD 17 months

[Guest guest]

Jody,

I was giving about 4 TBS twice aday. I first started with 1tsp. Maybe

casien he just can have it. Im thinking about bioset ( ways to clear

foods they are allergic to) I would like him to have benefits from

the yogurt.

kim

> Kim,

>

> How much yogurt were you giving?

> We recommend no more than 1/8th to 1/4 tsp, even skipping

> every other day in the beginning. The yogurt is powerful stuff.

>

> After 2 weeks of yogurt, with someone who had been very

> sensitive before, it might be reasonable to be up to giving 1/2- 1

> tsp per day.

>

> As for the comment about the yogurt containing casein. It

> certainly does. No one has ever said that there is any casein

> gone from making yogurt. It is the lactose that is consumed

> during the 24 hour fermentation.

>

> I am glad to hear that your son made so much progress during

> his therapy.

>

> Jody

> mom to -5 and -7

> SCD 17 months

[Guest guest]

,

Why not try making some of the nut yogurt? Just a thought...

Darla

Re: Goat yogurt caused reaction

Jody,

I was giving about 4 TBS twice aday. I first started with 1tsp. Maybe

casien he just can have it. Im thinking about bioset ( ways to clear

foods they are allergic to) I would like him to have benefits from

the yogurt.

kim

> Kim,

>

> How much yogurt were you giving?

> We recommend no more than 1/8th to 1/4 tsp, even skipping

> every other day in the beginning. The yogurt is powerful stuff.

>

> After 2 weeks of yogurt, with someone who had been very

> sensitive before, it might be reasonable to be up to giving 1/2- 1

> tsp per day.

>

> As for the comment about the yogurt containing casein. It

> certainly does. No one has ever said that there is any casein

> gone from making yogurt. It is the lactose that is consumed

> during the 24 hour fermentation.

>

> I am glad to hear that your son made so much progress during

> his therapy.

>

> Jody

> mom to -5 and -7

> SCD 17 months

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

I would like to try nut yogurt but am waiting for a bit. I just would

like to get the calcium in his diet more.

> > Kim,

> >

> > How much yogurt were you giving?

> > We recommend no more than 1/8th to 1/4 tsp, even skipping

> > every other day in the beginning. The yogurt is powerful stuff.

> >

> > After 2 weeks of yogurt, with someone who had been very

> > sensitive before, it might be reasonable to be up to giving 1/2-

1

> > tsp per day.

> >

> > As for the comment about the yogurt containing casein. It

> > certainly does. No one has ever said that there is any casein

> > gone from making yogurt. It is the lactose that is consumed

> > during the 24 hour fermentation.

> >

> > I am glad to hear that your son made so much progress during

> > his therapy.

> >

> > Jody

> > mom to -5 and -7

> > SCD 17 months

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read

the book

> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following

> websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I am sure you are probably tired of hearing me say " go slower " ,

but you do need to go slower. There are 3 tsp per TBL and so,

with giving him 4 TBL 2x per day, you were giving him 24 tsp per

day which is about 24 times the amount I would have suggested

(and that is two weeks into building up.)

It is possible that he cannot tolerate goat casein. Anything is

possible. But with a typical snotty nose allergic reaction, the

reaction comes on much more quickly than 2 weeks into a new

food. Those types of reactions (IgE) tend to be much more

quickly noticed, like within hours.

You can always try the nut yogurt instead, but I still say Go Slow.

Jody

mom to -5 and -7

SCD 17 months

[Guest guest]

The chemical structure of the casein in goat yogurt is different from

the chemical structure of the casein in cow milk. I am forwarding the

information contained in Grammy Bauer's post from another yahoo group.

Mimi

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http://goatconnection.com/articles/publish/article_152.shtml

The most recent work which contributed immensely to our knowledge of

goat milk was done in France by Ribadeau Dumas et al23 on the

molecular structure of the polymorphs of the caseins.

It was for the first time possible to demonstrate the molecular

structure of bovine milk casein. The molecular structure of goat milk

was done immediately afterward and it was proved beyond doubt that

goat milk casein differed widely in basic chemical structure from that

of cow milk. The author concluded it now was possible to say that not

only the lactalbumin but all the various fractions of protein in goat

milk differ from that in cow niilk. This, then, is the likely reason

why an infant intolerant to a product from cow milk does so well on

goat milk.

23. Duman, B.R., Grosclaude, F. and Mercier, J.C. in Kretchmer, N.,

Rossi,E. and Sereni, F., eds (1 975): Modern Problems in Paediatrics,

p.46. Basle: S. Karger.

From the official website of the University of California at

http://drinc.ucdavis.edu/html/milkg/milkg-1.shtml

PROTEIN

Structurally, the milk protein casein of the goat's milk is

sufficiently different from that found in cow's milk to be easily

differentiated in the lab. The casein miscelles typically exist either

as much larger or much smaller aggregations than are found in bovine

milk. Because of this it has been suggested that, although the

quantity and distribution of amino acids in the casein fractions of

the milks of the two species are similar, the sequency of assembly is

almost certainly different. This difference is further substantiated

by the fact that goat casein is associated with a lower mobility in an

electrophoretic field. A similar difference appears to be found in the

lactalbumin portion as well, with perhaps more clinical significance.

The lactalbumin of bovine milk

elicits an allergic response from many individuals, a serious problem,

especially for young children. These individuals are often able to

consume the milk of goats without suffering that reaction, an effect

attributed to the dissimilarities in structure of the two proteins.

Human and goat milk do not have the opioid protein that causes

diabetes but cow's milk does. This article below proves this:

Diabetologia 1999 Mar;42(3):292-6

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids=10096780

Erratum in:

Diabetologia 1999 Aug;42(8):1032

Type I (insulin-dependent) diabetes mellitus and cow milk: casein

variant consumption.

Elliott RB, DP, Hill JP, Bibby NJ, Wasmuth HE.

Department of Paediatrics, School of Medicine, Auckland, New Zealand.

Previously published Type I (insulin-dependent) diabetes mellitus

incidence in 0 to 14-year-old children from 10 countries or areas was

compared with the national annual cow milk protein consumption.

Countries which were selected for study had appropriate milk protein

polymorphism studies, herd breed composition information and low dairy

imports from other countries. Total protein consumption did not

correlate with diabetes incidence (r = +0.402), but consumption of the

beta-casein A1 variant did (r = +0.726). Even more pronounced was the

relation between beta-casein (A1+ consumption and diabetes (r =

+0.982). These latter two cow caseins yield a bioactive peptide

beta-casomorphin-7 after in vitro digestion with intestinal enzymes

whereas the common A2 variant or the corresponding human or goat

caseins

do not. beta-casomorphin-7 has opioid properties including

immunosuppression, which could account for the specificity of the

relation between the consumption of some but not all beta-casein

variants and diabetes incidence.

PMID: 10096780 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

> > Kim,

> >

> > How much yogurt were you giving?

> > We recommend no more than 1/8th to 1/4 tsp, even skipping

> > every other day in the beginning. The yogurt is powerful stuff.

> >

> > After 2 weeks of yogurt, with someone who had been very

> > sensitive before, it might be reasonable to be up to giving 1/2- 1

> > tsp per day.

> >

> > As for the comment about the yogurt containing casein. It

> > certainly does. No one has ever said that there is any casein

> > gone from making yogurt. It is the lactose that is consumed

> > during the 24 hour fermentation.

> >

> > I am glad to hear that your son made so much progress during

> > his therapy.

> >

> > Jody

> > mom to -5 and -7

> > SCD 17 months

[Guest guest]

Jody said:

" But with a typical snotty nose allergic reaction, the

reaction comes on much more quickly than 2 weeks into a new

food. Those types of reactions (IgE) tend to be much more

quickly noticed, like within hours. "

Well there is no dought that is was the yogurt since after three days

of stopping symptoms were gone. I wonder if it just built up in his

system. I know that years ago if he got one molecule of gluten I had

troubles for days. now the gluten infractions I dont see anything. I

guess his gut may not be tolerating or healed enough for casien. The

search goes on. I will try yogurt again someday. Ill wait for several

months.I also remember how sensitive he was to all foods. I had to

rotate of a four day schedule all foods. Thank god I dont have to do

it anymore.

kim

[Guest guest]

" I guess his gut may not be tolerating or healed enough for casien.

The search goes on. I will try yogurt again someday. "

Well Kim, as Jody has calculated already, you gave an amount that was

extremely HUGE. I see no reason to say farewell to the goat yoghurt.

What I would do is wait about a month (till things have stabilized a

bit also with Bolles therapy) and then build up the amounts with

great, great care. This will result in making a batch of 24h goat

yoghurt, but only allowing him to have 1/8th of a teaspoon every

other day. Do this for two weeks. When giving the yoghurt, use a

clean spoon always. This will make sure that your precious yoghurt

will stay OK for about 3 weeks, maybe even longer.

From what I see is that you are trying two major things next to each

other: the Bolles therapy and the yoghurt. The Bolles therapy can not

be underestimated. It has caused some big changes in your kid. He

needs to adjust to that, it seems he is literally bursting out of a

shell.

BUT: also the power of the yoghurt must NOT be underestimated. With

the yoghurt you are completely rearranging your son's intestinal

flora. It takes time.

Marjan

Netherlands

Mom to Nick, asd, 7, SCD since jan 18 2003

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Finn, 4

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