Re: Bummed at the doctor.......

[Guest guest]

This type of drastic 'medical' procedure has been discussed here before. It

seems that the long term success rate is very LOW for just the reason you

mentioned for yourself - people return to eating as before once the lap band is

removed. Have you mentioned YOUR preference to your doctor - even suggesting

dietitian and/or counseling assistance while you work on non-dieting (IE)? It

seems to me that lap banding has its own set of problems related to health

issues too. The choice ought to be yours.

To me it seems that the medical profession thinks of diet + exercise as the

E=MC2 of weight issues ;-) What is not taken into that equation is WHY a person

eats. And as far as 'what, when, where' etc. that needs to be determined by the

body that is eating the food, not by some external 'expert's opinion.

YOU are in charge and we are here to help you as much as we can as you make IE

your chosen path to YOUR healthy body.

Best to you, Katcha

IEing since March 2007

>

> Hi All:

>

> I just want to say again, I'm so happy I found this group!

>

> I just had a doctor appt friday and for the first time, HE suggested lap-band

surgery for me. At first I said NO and then he gently reminded me that my health

is slowly deteriorating.

>

> I feel like I want to do this for my health but I know it wont correct what's

in my head. It's possible however that doing this will give me a " new birth " so

to speak regarding eating. I liken it to being re-born - I guess in a

manufactured sort of way.

>

> I'm very confused.

>

> My heart tells me it wont fix me. My brain reminds me that I've been trying

to correct this problem for over 30 years. I have spent 8 years in spiritual

counseling where my counselor supported intuitive eating.

>

> I'm not asking for any answers on the best thing to do. I realize I must make

this decision for myself; knowing my SELF.

>

> It is very helpful to be able to share this with others that understand.

>

> Thanks,

> Deb

>

[Guest guest]

I guess my Subject line in this post could be taken 2 ways....I could be bummed

at the doctor - like it's his fault or bummed at the doctor like I'm just

completely bummed out while I'm at the doctor! What I meant was the latter. I

like my doctor and I know he wants me to be healthy. But it's true, when I talk

about my addiction, I get the feeling of a lack of understanding on his part.

But when NO came out of my mouth when the surgery was brought up, he backed off

and said that he respects and supports any decision I make.

It is very hard to " swallow " everyone's posts.

Many times out of frustration with my issues, I have said, " I wish I didnt have

to eat at all!!!! "

The promise of weight lost for vanity issues is not as alluring as it used to

be. I am now concerned for my health. But - when I overindulge, where is the

concern for my health then? Indeed, it appears like I need to surrender

something.

All my life I've been an all or nothing person and am impatient one at that. So

it makes sense that this surgery would be appealing.

It would be interesting to see statistics on the long term results of these

surgeries.

Thanks for all your input.

Deb

[Guest guest]

Deb - that must've been a very tough thing to hear from your doctor!!!  I'm glad he respected your reaction though.  I looked up some statistics for you - here is one paper -

 

http://www.obesitylapbandsurgery.com/statmain.html

 

basically their experience is that patients lose an average of 50 lbs and most do keep it off (note this is not a return to " healthy BMI " but about 8 BMI points less) ... about 20% continued to have problems with eating sweets, binge eating, or depression (not necessarily the same people with all those problems, but each of those problems present in 20% of their patients).  They do cite a reduction in obesity-related mortality compared to control patients who did not have the procedure, and a 1 in 2000 procedure-related death (compared to 1 in 250 who die from complications of gastric bypass).

 

Like others have said, the procedure doesn't address any of the emotional reasons that people eat, only makes it very difficult to physically overeat to the same extent.  The only person I know who has had it did lose a ton of weight - BUT- she had to be on a liquid diet for 2 weeks before and 2 weeks after, then a VERY gradual re-introduction to food - I figure if I could do that I'd lose all the weight without the surgery LOL... but I have to tell you even though she is skinny now, she does NOT look healthy.  in fact she just looks wasted.

 

I have a bit more experience with gastric bypass and I am VERY much against that procedure - everyone I know who has had it done more than 7 years ago is now having SEVERE problems stemming from malnutrition - their bodies are simply incapable of absorbing the nutrients they eat.  one co-worker got osteoporosis so bad that her cervical spine basically crumbled and she's on disability in constant pain now.  another caught c. diff (a pan-resistant infection) in the 'pouch' that was created and she's in and out of the hospital for 2 years, chronic diarrhea.  I honestly don't think she will live long, she is also looking very wasted and frail and she is only 42.  Review of the literature claims that lap banding doesn't have those problems since no intestines are removed... but I didn't see any real data to back that up.

 

I don't mean to scare you, just if you do consider, please look into the long-term effects as well as the short-term!  One advantage of the lap bad is that it can be removed once you meet your goals so you don't have a foreign body in there forever...

 

Bottom line, I think that you've already made your decision ( " my heart tells me this will not work for me " ), but it never hurts to have some facts to back you up

 

hugs

Mikki 

..

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb ~

I have a lot of weight to lose also (around 200 lbs.) My doctor had suggested

lap band to me back in January. I just wasn't ready, nor do I want to do this.

My family has suggested it...and it makes me so mad. I know it's a personal

decision, I'm just telling you mine.

Somehow the whole diet, bingeing thing that I have been doing to myself since my

teens (I'll be 50 next year) have made me go from 10 lbs. overweight to 200 lbs

overweight. I knew there had to be a better way, I knew I couldn't stay on

diets anymore and I knew I couldn't keep binge eating as my health would soon be

in a critical situation.

I knew if I could just eat normally I could lose weight...but always felt the

guilt and impact of the media and all the diet hype, etc. etc. Then I came

across IE on the internet and was so excited that what I was thinking was

possible and even the right thing to do.

I think to really make it work, is that we really have to believe it. I bought

the Intuitive Eating CDs and they are such a tremendous help to understanding

and working this normal way of eating back into my life. If you haven't listed

to those tapes or read that book, I would strongly suggest them.

I don't want to weigh myself anymore, so that I can really follow the true heart

of this eating, but at last weigh in, I have lost 24 lbs. in six weeks. I am

not depriving myself but I am listening to my body's true hunger/fullness and

finding and feeling wonderful results...and I am eating what I truly want.

I hope this can help you too and wish you all the best.

>

> Hi All:

>

> I just want to say again, I'm so happy I found this group!

>

> I just had a doctor appt friday and for the first time, HE suggested lap-band

surgery for me. At first I said NO and then he gently reminded me that my health

is slowly deteriorating.

>

> I feel like I want to do this for my health but I know it wont correct what's

in my head. It's possible however that doing this will give me a " new birth " so

to speak regarding eating. I liken it to being re-born - I guess in a

manufactured sort of way.

>

> I'm very confused.

>

> My heart tells me it wont fix me. My brain reminds me that I've been trying

to correct this problem for over 30 years. I have spent 8 years in spiritual

counseling where my counselor supported intuitive eating.

>

> I'm not asking for any answers on the best thing to do. I realize I must make

this decision for myself; knowing my SELF.

>

> It is very helpful to be able to share this with others that understand.

>

> Thanks,

> Deb

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Deb. I can totally relate to your frustration. I've considered the surgery msyelf. But, like you, I felt that decreasing my appetite after feeding my body only a small amount of food wouldn't help since I have an addiction and KNOW I eat WAY past full most days. Since starting my IE journey (just recently) I'm trying to find ways to deal with what's going on internally to make me want to pacify myself with food. To be honest with you, if my medical insurance through work would have covered the lap band procedure, I probably would have tried it out of sheer desperation. I'm quite thankful that it wasn't covered because FOR ME, it's not the answer. I've known 5 people in recent years who have had either the surgery or the banding done. One

is dead due to complications, 2 have had serious complications that took them near deaths door, one has gained back all the weight and then some, and one can't afford the plastic surgery necessary to get rid of all the loose skin caused by the rapid weight loss. Only one of those 5 is actually happy she did the surgery and said she would do it again (she's one of the ones that almost died and actually DID have the surgery twice because of a problem with the first surgery). She doesn't want to be healthy ... she wants to be thin so she can attract the attention of men. So, vanity is definitely at the top of her list in my opinion. I'm sure for some individuals, the surgeries are warranted and necessary. I can only speak for myself. And, for me, I know it's not the route I should be taking. Maybe somehow the mere thought that your doctor would recommend this type of procedure will help you get serious about tuning into

your body and giving it only what it needs for that moment in time as an energy source.

Thoughts will be with you as you go through your journey.

Sharon

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 4:23:10 AMSubject: Re: Bummed at the doctor.......I guess my Subject line in this post could be taken 2 ways....I could be bummed at the doctor - like it's his fault or bummed at the doctor like I'm just completely bummed out while I'm at the doctor! What I meant was the latter. I like my doctor and I know he wants me to be healthy. But it's true, when I talk about my addiction, I get the feeling of a lack of understanding on his part. But when NO came out of my mouth when the surgery was brought up, he backed off and said that he respects and supports any decision I make.It is very

hard to "swallow" everyone's posts. Many times out of frustration with my issues, I have said, "I wish I didnt have to eat at all!!!!" The promise of weight lost for vanity issues is not as alluring as it used to be. I am now concerned for my health. But - when I overindulge, where is the concern for my health then? Indeed, it appears like I need to surrender something.All my life I've been an all or nothing person and am impatient one at that. So it makes sense that this surgery would be appealing. It would be interesting to see statistics on the long term results of these surgeries.Thanks for all your input. Deb------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

You said:

All my life I've been an all or nothing person and am impatient one at that. So

it makes sense that this surgery would be appealing.

I guess that still doesn't change whether it solves the problem or not.

Appealing as in fantasy?

Warrior

>

> I guess my Subject line in this post could be taken 2 ways....I could be

bummed at the doctor - like it's his fault or bummed at the doctor like I'm just

completely bummed out while I'm at the doctor! What I meant was the latter. I

like my doctor and I know he wants me to be healthy. But it's true, when I talk

about my addiction, I get the feeling of a lack of understanding on his part.

But when NO came out of my mouth when the surgery was brought up, he backed off

and said that he respects and supports any decision I make.

>

> It is very hard to " swallow " everyone's posts.

>

> Many times out of frustration with my issues, I have said, " I wish I didnt

have to eat at all!!!! "

>

> The promise of weight lost for vanity issues is not as alluring as it used to

be. I am now concerned for my health. But - when I overindulge, where is the

concern for my health then? Indeed, it appears like I need to surrender

something.

>

> All my life I've been an all or nothing person and am impatient one at that.

So it makes sense that this surgery would be appealing.

>

> It would be interesting to see statistics on the long term results of these

surgeries.

>

> Thanks for all your input.

>

> Deb

>

[Guest guest]

Deb:

I try to be open- minded about everything. And I think that lap band or gastric

bypass surgery can help some people in losing weight.

But personally I do not feel like either options are healthy or promote

permanent weight loss. I become very frustrated with medical practitioners who

recommend these surgeries. I feel like more often than not they do not

understand the cause of an individual's weight issues. If they did, they would

understand that many people who are overweight and obese have complicated

histories related to food. As we all know on here, it isn't about the food... It

never is! It is about soooo many other things. Things that those two surgeries

can not fix. Although these two surgeries are risky and complicated I still see

them as simple solutions to excess weight. I say this because they do not

confront the real issues behind our dysfunctional histories with food.

From what I know of, it seems like these two surgeries attempt to force an

individual to restrict their food intake through pain. When someone has these

surgeries and eats too much they have extreme pain or even vomit. For that

reason I know neither surgery would help me lose dramatic amounts of weight

permanently. There have been many times when I was eating too quickly or too

enticed by a " taboo " food item that I was soon in extreme pain. To the point

where I can't move or I even feel like vomiting. I have done this many times!!

The pain never made me eat less. What did help me work beyond this behaviors was

tuning into my own body and confronting some emotional issues.

Anyway you should stick with what you know is right for yourself.

Goodluck!

- K

[Guest guest]

Hey Cindi,

Appreciated what you said about wrinkles! I'm with you--I think the natural look is far better than the unnatural. On top of that, I think they give depth to a face. Think of Colleen Dewhurst in Anne of Green Gables. To me, her wispy hair pulled back, with a few strands escaping, and her abundant laugh lines and vibrant smile all made a face that was beautiful. (Note: pulling hair back from the face into a ponytail or a bun DOES pull the skiin back, too. I think that was our grandmother's version of a facelift. ha)

Gracie

IE-ing since 4/2/09

To: IntuitiveEating_Support From: clean_boost@...Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:40:23 -0700Subject: Re: Re: Bummed at the doctor.......

I have wrinkles. I live in an area where I see a lot of women with face surgery to reduce their wrinkles. I don't like my wrinkles, but I would not consider surgery to get rid of them. That's not me.

My aunt who is 83 years old and has wrinkles, but I consider her very beautiful, told me that she thinks Joan Rivers looks beautiful for her age with all her surgery. I personally don't think so, but then I'm not in the public eye and worrying about my wrinkles. Meantime, despite the fact that one of my students called me an "old lady" recently, I think I'm young AND beautiful. :-)

Cindi

Subject: Re: Bummed at the doctor.......To: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Monday, June 22, 2009, 3:52 PM

You said: All my life I've been an all or nothing person and am impatient one at that. Soit makes sense that this surgery would be appealing.I guess that still doesn't change whether it solves the problem or not. Appealing as in fantasy? Warrior>> I guess my Subject line in this post could be taken 2 ways....I could be bummed at the doctor - like it's his fault or bummed at the doctor like I'm just completely bummed out while I'm at the doctor! What I meant was the latter. I like my doctor and I know he wants me to be healthy. But it's true, when I talk about my addiction, I get the feeling of a lack of understanding on his part. But when NO came out of my mouth when the surgery was brought up, he backed off and said that he respects and supports any decision I make.> > It is very hard to "swallow" everyone's posts. > > Many times out of frustration with my issues, I have said, "I wish I didnt have to eat at all!!!!" > > The promise of weight lost for vanity issues is not as alluring as it used to be. I am now concerned for my health. But - when I overindulge, where is the concern for my health then? Indeed, it appears like I need to surrender something.> > All my life I've been an all or nothing person and am impatient one at that. So it makes sense that this surgery would be appealing. > > It would be interesting to see statistics on the long term results of these surgeries.> > Thanks for all your input. > > Deb>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Gracie. I had a tendency to be fat as a younger woman. My mother knew that. She was thin for most of her life. She would tell me, "Cindi, a woman can be good-looking even when she's overweight, if she keeps herself well, and dresses right." :-) Cindi

From: K T <scopingforyou@ hotmail.com>Subject: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Bummed at the doctor...... .To: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.comDate: Monday, June 22, 2009, 3:52 PM

You said: All my life I've been an all or nothing person and am impatient one at that. Soit makes sense that this surgery would be appealing.I guess that still doesn't change whether it solves the problem or not. Appealing as in fantasy? Warrior>> I guess my Subject line in this post could be taken 2 ways....I could be bummed at the doctor - like it's his fault or bummed at the doctor like I'm just completely bummed out while I'm at the doctor! What I meant was the latter. I like my doctor and I know he wants me to be healthy. But it's true, when I talk about my addiction, I get the feeling of a lack of understanding on his part. But when NO came out of my mouth when the surgery was

brought up, he backed off and said that he respects and supports any decision I make.> > It is very hard to "swallow" everyone's posts. > > Many times out of frustration with my issues, I have said, "I wish I didnt have to eat at all!!!!" > > The promise of weight lost for vanity issues is not as alluring as it used to be. I am now concerned for my health. But - when I overindulge, where is the concern for my health then? Indeed, it appears like I need to surrender something.> > All my life I've been an all or nothing person and am impatient one at that. So it makes sense that this surgery would be appealing. > > It would be interesting to see statistics on the long term results of these surgeries.> > Thanks for all your input. > > Deb>

[Guest guest]

Good for you, Cindi. I'm 10 years older (and about 120 pounds heavier) than my healthy, fit, gorgeous husband. But, he looks past the age and the weight to see the REAL me ... the BEAUTIFUL me that's just now starting to emerge from deep within myself. I'm sure you're quite beautiful yourself. We all are!

Sharon

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 6:40:23 PMSubject: Re: Re: Bummed at the doctor.......

I have wrinkles. I live in an area where I see a lot of women with face surgery to reduce their wrinkles. I don't like my wrinkles, but I would not consider surgery to get rid of them. That's not me.

My aunt who is 83 years old and has wrinkles, but I consider her very beautiful, told me that she thinks Joan Rivers looks beautiful for her age with all her surgery. I personally don't think so, but then I'm not in the public eye and worrying about my wrinkles. Meantime, despite the fact that one of my students called me an "old lady" recently, I think I'm young AND beautiful. :-)

Cindi

Subject: Re: Bummed at the doctor.......To: IntuitiveEating_Support@...Date: Monday, June 22, 2009, 3:52 PM

You said: All my life I've been an all or nothing person and am impatient one at that. Soit makes sense that this surgery would be appealing.I guess that still doesn't change whether it solves the problem or not. Appealing as in fantasy? Warrior>> I guess my Subject line in this post could be taken 2 ways....I could be bummed at the doctor - like it's his fault or bummed at the doctor like I'm just completely bummed out while I'm at the doctor! What I meant was the latter. I like my doctor and I know he wants me to be healthy. But it's true, when I talk about my addiction, I get the feeling of a lack of understanding on his part. But when NO came out of my mouth when the surgery was brought

up, he backed off and said that he respects and supports any decision I make.> > It is very hard to "swallow" everyone's posts. > > Many times out of frustration with my issues, I have said, "I wish I didnt have to eat at all!!!!" > > The promise of weight lost for vanity issues is not as alluring as it used to be. I am now concerned for my health. But - when I overindulge, where is the concern for my health then? Indeed, it appears like I need to surrender something.> > All my life I've been an all or nothing person and am impatient one at that. So it makes sense that this surgery would be appealing. > > It would be interesting to see statistics on the long term results of these surgeries.> > Thanks for all your input. > > Deb>

[Guest guest]

I watched several friends who had the bypass or banding done and each of them got violently ill after eating just a couple spoonfuls of food. Some of them couldn't eat protein at all because it made them ill. One could only get tortilla chips to stay down for any length of time (and 2 chips at that). You know their bodies couldn't be getting proper nourishment. I don't know if they weren't following the guidelines of the eating programs after the procedures or what was wrong. But, I know I don't like being sick, so the IE way of life is definitely for me!

Sharon

To: IntuitiveEating_Support Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 8:09:35 PMSubject: Re: Re: Bummed at the doctor.......

Hi. Well, like the way I see it is that you can only eat about 1/4 cup of food at a time. I wouldn't want that ... yes, and you just couldn't eat any more I guess you'd get sick if you tried. But again, they say you can go back to your "normal" way of eating and gain weight again. I am working on the IE way of life.

Yes, it's like the medication alcoholics can be given that if they have a drop of alcohol, they can get violently ill. I wouldn't want that.

Cindi

Subject: Re: Bummed at the doctor.......To: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Monday, June 22, 2009, 8:03 PM

Deb: I try to be open- minded about everything. And I think that lap band or gastric bypass surgery can help some people in losing weight. But personally I do not feel like either options are healthy or promote permanent weight loss. I become very frustrated with medical practitioners who recommend these surgeries. I feel like more often than not they do not understand the cause of an individual's weight issues. If they did, they would understand that many people who are overweight and obese have complicated histories related to food. As we all know on here, it isn't about the food... It never is! It is about soooo many other things. Things that those two surgeries can not fix. Although these two surgeries are risky and complicated I still see them as simple solutions to excess weight. I say this because they do not confront the real issues behind our dysfunctional histories with food. From what I know of, it seems like these

two surgeries attempt to force an individual to restrict their food intake through pain. When someone has these surgeries and eats too much they have extreme pain or even vomit. For that reason I know neither surgery would help me lose dramatic amounts of weight permanently. There have been many times when I was eating too quickly or too enticed by a "taboo" food item that I was soon in extreme pain. To the point where I can't move or I even feel like vomiting. I have done this many times!! The pain never made me eat less. What did help me work beyond this behaviors was tuning into my own body and confronting some emotional issues. Anyway you should stick with what you know is right for yourself. Goodluck!- K

[Guest guest]

I completely understand. I come from a family of plastic surgery and the fight

against aging. It's very hard to break those ties. I need to break them

because with my personality, I could never stop with one thing. It's like when

I get new carpet in my house, I think, oh, jeez the walls look terrible with

this new carpet. We need to paint! etc., etc. Whatever happened to

appreciating the wisdom of the aged and respecting the older people in the

society? Oh, yeah, maybe we, here in this country, never really had it. ;-)

Warrior

> >

> > I guess my Subject line in this post could be taken 2 ways....I could be

bummed at the doctor - like it's his fault or bummed at the doctor like I'm just

completely bummed out while I'm at the doctor! What I meant was the latter. I

like my doctor and I know he wants me to be healthy. But it's true, when I talk

about my addiction, I get the feeling of a lack of understanding on his part.

But when NO came out of my mouth when the surgery was brought up, he backed off

and said that he respects and supports any decision I make.

> >

> > It is very hard to " swallow " everyone's posts.

> >

> > Many times out of frustration with my issues, I have said, " I wish I didnt

have to eat at all!!!! "

> >

> > The promise of weight lost for vanity issues is not as alluring as it used

to be. I am now concerned for my health. But - when I overindulge, where is the

concern for my health then? Indeed, it appears like I need to surrender

something.

> >

> > All my life I've been an all or nothing person and am impatient one at that.

So it makes sense that this surgery would be appealing.

> >

> > It would be interesting to see statistics on the long term results of these

surgeries.

> >

> > Thanks for all your input.

> >

> > Deb

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yup, Sharon. My mother always told me that some people go way beyond looks ... I know there are more beautiful women than myself, but I don't strive to be the most beautiful. I know that if I keep myself well groomed, I'll do OK. There are times I feel weak, or outdone, but that's life.For instance, when I used to go for job interviews and I wasn't feeling well that day (if I would limp, for instance, because I have a bad knee), or if I wasn't dressed exactly right, I knew my chances would be lessened. (Especially when I was auditioning to become a music teacher in certain schools.) I know beauty gets doors opened. But I don't want to kid myself either. Or torture myself (obsess) because I'm not the most beautiful.As you said, it's the inner beauty that counts. And I really believe that. So as long as I have a roof over my head, sustenance and covering,

that's pretty good. And I try to make myself look as pleasing as possible so I won't offend others. :-)Does this make sense?Sharon, it's a pleasure to get to know you and the others on this board.Thanks for your good words!Cindi

From: K T <scopingforyou@ hotmail.com>Subject: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Bummed at the doctor...... .To: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups..comDate: Monday, June 22, 2009, 3:52 PM

You said: All my life I've been an all or nothing person and am impatient one at that. Soit makes sense that this surgery would be appealing.I guess that still doesn't change whether it solves the problem or not. Appealing as in fantasy? Warrior>> I guess my Subject line in this post could be taken 2 ways....I could be bummed at the doctor - like it's his fault or bummed at the doctor like I'm just completely bummed out while I'm at the doctor! What I meant was the latter. I like my doctor and I know he wants me to be healthy. But it's true, when I talk about my addiction, I get the feeling of a lack of understanding on his part. But when NO came out of my mouth when the surgery was

brought

up, he backed off and said that he respects and supports any decision I make.> > It is very hard to "swallow" everyone's posts. > > Many times out of frustration with my issues, I have said, "I wish I didnt have to eat at all!!!!" > > The promise of weight lost for vanity issues is not as alluring as it used to be. I am now concerned for my health. But - when I overindulge, where is the concern for my health then? Indeed, it appears like I need to surrender something.> > All my life I've been an all or nothing person and am impatient one at that. So it makes sense that this surgery would be appealing. > > It would be interesting to see statistics on the long term results of these surgeries.> > Thanks for all your input. > > Deb>

[Guest guest]

K T, good points. My family basically is very good-looking but they don't go for plastic surgery. What they do go for is dressing well and nice hairdo's, etc., perfect homes. If they can do it, more power to them. I have come to terms with my family being perfectionists in many ways. My father was always critical, and when I felt I needed help he would either poo-poo it or make fun of me. Thus, my apartment is in a constant state of turmoil (well not quite) and it needs painting, etc. But recently I am coming to terms with it, telling myself that as long as it's neat (with all the junk) I can't worry about what the "neighbors" think, because I want to have friends over and have not allowed myself to. So, with my broken foot and all, I'm intending to have a few friends over this weekend. I'll serve pizza, fried chicken, salad and soda. Maybe someone will bring a

cake. I'm planning to have a good time. :-) and not worry about the half finished paint job and other stuff hangin' out. CindiSubject: Re: Bummed at the doctor.......To: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 12:50 PM

I completely understand. I come from a family of plastic surgery and the fight against aging. It's very hard to break those ties. I need to break them because with my personality, I could never stop with one thing. It's like when I get new carpet in my house, I think, oh, jeez the walls look terrible with this new carpet. We need to paint! etc., etc. Whatever happened to appreciating the wisdom of the aged and respecting the older people in the society? Oh, yeah, maybe we, here in this country, never really had it. ;-)

Warrior

> >

> > I guess my Subject line in this post could be taken 2 ways....I could be bummed at the doctor - like it's his fault or bummed at the doctor like I'm just completely bummed out while I'm at the doctor! What I meant was the latter. I like my doctor and I know he wants me to be healthy. But it's true, when I talk about my addiction, I get the feeling of a lack of understanding on his part. But when NO came out of my mouth when the surgery was brought up, he backed off and said that he respects and supports any decision I make.

> >

> > It is very hard to "swallow" everyone's posts.

> >

> > Many times out of frustration with my issues, I have said, "I wish I didnt have to eat at all!!!!"

> >

> > The promise of weight lost for vanity issues is not as alluring as it used to be. I am now concerned for my health. But - when I overindulge, where is the concern for my health then? Indeed, it appears like I need to surrender something.

> >

> > All my life I've been an all or nothing person and am impatient one at that. So it makes sense that this surgery would be appealing.

> >

> > It would be interesting to see statistics on the long term results of these surgeries.

> >

> > Thanks for all your input.

> >

> > Deb

> >

>

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<<But, I know I don't like being sick, so the IE way of life is definitely for me!

Sharon>>Yeah, I don't like suffering. Cindi

From: normaaaaaaaa <kaylinmorrissey@ gmail.com>Subject: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Bummed at the doctor...... .To: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.comDate: Monday, June 22, 2009, 8:03 PM

Deb: I try to be open- minded about everything. And I think that lap band or gastric bypass surgery can help some people in losing weight. But personally I do not feel like either options are healthy or promote permanent weight loss. I become very frustrated with medical practitioners who recommend these surgeries. I feel like more often than not they do not understand the cause of an individual's weight issues. If they did, they would understand that many people who are overweight and obese have complicated histories related to food. As we all know on here, it isn't about the food... It never is! It is about soooo many other things. Things that those two surgeries can not fix. Although these two surgeries are risky and complicated I still see them as simple solutions to excess weight. I say this because they do not confront the real issues behind our dysfunctional histories with food. From what I know of, it seems like these

two surgeries attempt to force an individual to restrict their food intake through pain. When someone has these surgeries and eats too much they have extreme pain or even vomit. For that reason I know neither surgery would help me lose dramatic amounts of weight permanently. There have been many times when I was eating too quickly or too enticed by a "taboo" food item that I was soon in extreme pain. To the point where I can't move or I even feel like vomiting. I have done this many times!! The pain never made me eat less. What did help me work beyond this behaviors was tuning into my own body and confronting some emotional issues. Anyway you should stick with what you know is right for yourself. Goodluck!- K