Guest guest Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Thanks for the excellent post, it was worth waiting for! I can relate to what you write about finding different aspects to non-dieting from different sources. Whatever strikes a cord - for sure make max. use of it! I found the IE book to be about the best reference to this subject that one could read. But I've also found that other books - Overcoming Overeating and When Women Stop Hating Their Bodies - to have made other impacts upon my journey too. We never stop going down this path and its fabulous to know that there will be more that we can use when we are ready to 'get' it. Glad to have you join us and looking forward to reading more posts from you too. Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > I joined this group almost a month ago, but decided not to post until I had read most of the IE book by Tribole and Resch. I had read almost every other book about intuitive eating during my long journey. I may have previously skimmed the IE book, but decided I had read enough other books about intuitive eating. However, after working toward intuitive eating for over 7 years, I suspected that I may have missed something by not reading the Tribole and Resch IE book. > > After reading the first 14 chapters, I can only say to anyone who has not read that book, " Your intuitive eating journey will be MUCH easier if you read that book. " Although I seriously practiced IE since 2002 taking a Weigh Down class and then switching to ThinWithin later that year, I now realize that I still retained some diet mentality about certain foods. Here's my experience since I joined TW, led a local TW group (for 3 years)and taught the TW book: > > Although I tried to legalize many former 'binge' foods, I mainly focussed on honoring my hunger and fullness cues, so that I only ate when physically hungry and stopped eating when I felt physically full. Ironically as I allowed myself to eat more and more of my formerly restricted foods, I experienced more excruciating intestinal pain. Eventually I was diagnosed with celiac disease and delayed reaction food allergies to dairy (casein) and soy (by stool tests). Previously my gut symptoms had been misdiagnosed with gastritis and given acid blockers, and then misdiagnosed with IBS (which is only a set of symptoms, not a 'disease') and given an IBS diet sheet. Abstaining from gluten (CD), dairy and soy relieved my symptoms somewhat, but I still had pain. > > Eventually I found a doctor who recommended the ELISA (blood test) for food alergies. That test diagnosed 4 more allergies (cane sugar, eggs, vanilla and nutmeg). Fortunately my IE training taught me to seek substitute foods for my food allergens, rather than just cut out ALL breads or all milks or all sweetners, etc. I found gluten free grain products, dairy free products, safe sweeteners, etc. Although I could accept medically diagnosed allergy restrictions, I thought I had ENOUGH restrictions from 7 food allergies and didn't want to deprive myself unnecessarily. Because I consider my allergens only INGREDIENTS, I can usually find safe substitutes and even more enjoyable nonallergenicversions of breads, milks, ice cream and cheese. > > I THOUGHT that I had made peace with (legalized) almost every food to which I didn't have a diagnosed allergy UNTIL I read the IE book. Then I realized I used 'health' considerations to avoid foods which I had previously had difficulty eating moderately. For example, rather than eat cane sugar (to which I had a diagnosed allergy), I could eat beet sugar, honey, agave, maple syrup, etc. However I used the liquid sweetners mostly in cooking and relied on stevia or nutrasweet or saccharine to sweeten tea, cereals, fruit. > > Then I linked my frequent headaches to aspartame use and decided to eliminate that sweetner. I clung to stevia and saccharine until I endured a 10 day treatment with flagyl, which causes a strong metallic taste side effect. Thereafter I could no longer tolerate any bitter tasting sweetners. > > After reading the IE book I realized that I did not research local sources of beet sugar, because I really feared sugar. I knew that my previous experiences with sugar sweetened foods were reactions to cane sugar (tachycardia and nausea for 48 hours after ingestion), but I didn't consider using beet sugar until I could no longer tolerate the metallic, bitter taste of saccharine and stevia. Recently I found some local beet sugar products and began using that on my cereal and fruit. I also made 7 jars of jam with beet sugar. Now I'm considering other nonallergenic foods which I continued to unnecessary restrict. However, I also feel freer to bake allergy free pastries, which I couldn't purchase as safe allergy free products. > > So I want to say 2 things to anyone who read this long intro post: > (1) If you haven't read the IE book, read that ASAP. > > (2) You can still follow IE principles even with food allergies or other medical restrictions, if you view those as internal, rather than external, restrictions, which your body, not some diet expert, imposes to keep itself healthy. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Thanks, Katcha. Years ago I attended a one-day workshop with Carol Munter (author of Overcoming Overeating) at a local college. What a great experience! I've read both 'OO' and " When Women ... " several times. I recently read another book entitled " Beyond the Shadow of A Diet: A Therapist's Guide to Treating Compulsive Eating " by Matz and el. The authors frequently quote from " OO " and " IE " as they present IE principles. There are MANY other books which support IE, but Tribole and Resch explain the perils of dieting and the benefits of IE most clearly. > > > > I joined this group almost a month ago, but decided not to post until I had read most of the IE book by Tribole and Resch. I had read almost every other book about intuitive eating during my long journey. I may have previously skimmed the IE book, but decided I had read enough other books about intuitive eating. However, after working toward intuitive eating for over 7 years, I suspected that I may have missed something by not reading the Tribole and Resch IE book. > > > > After reading the first 14 chapters, I can only say to anyone who has not read that book, " Your intuitive eating journey will be MUCH easier if you read that book. " Although I seriously practiced IE since 2002 taking a Weigh Down class and then switching to ThinWithin later that year, I now realize that I still retained some diet mentality about certain foods. Here's my experience since I joined TW, led a local TW group (for 3 years)and taught the TW book: > > > > Although I tried to legalize many former 'binge' foods, I mainly focussed on honoring my hunger and fullness cues, so that I only ate when physically hungry and stopped eating when I felt physically full. Ironically as I allowed myself to eat more and more of my formerly restricted foods, I experienced more excruciating intestinal pain. Eventually I was diagnosed with celiac disease and delayed reaction food allergies to dairy (casein) and soy (by stool tests). Previously my gut symptoms had been misdiagnosed with gastritis and given acid blockers, and then misdiagnosed with IBS (which is only a set of symptoms, not a 'disease') and given an IBS diet sheet. Abstaining from gluten (CD), dairy and soy relieved my symptoms somewhat, but I still had pain. > > > > Eventually I found a doctor who recommended the ELISA (blood test) for food alergies. That test diagnosed 4 more allergies (cane sugar, eggs, vanilla and nutmeg). Fortunately my IE training taught me to seek substitute foods for my food allergens, rather than just cut out ALL breads or all milks or all sweetners, etc. I found gluten free grain products, dairy free products, safe sweeteners, etc. Although I could accept medically diagnosed allergy restrictions, I thought I had ENOUGH restrictions from 7 food allergies and didn't want to deprive myself unnecessarily. Because I consider my allergens only INGREDIENTS, I can usually find safe substitutes and even more enjoyable nonallergenicversions of breads, milks, ice cream and cheese. > > > > I THOUGHT that I had made peace with (legalized) almost every food to which I didn't have a diagnosed allergy UNTIL I read the IE book. Then I realized I used 'health' considerations to avoid foods which I had previously had difficulty eating moderately. For example, rather than eat cane sugar (to which I had a diagnosed allergy), I could eat beet sugar, honey, agave, maple syrup, etc. However I used the liquid sweetners mostly in cooking and relied on stevia or nutrasweet or saccharine to sweeten tea, cereals, fruit. > > > > Then I linked my frequent headaches to aspartame use and decided to eliminate that sweetner. I clung to stevia and saccharine until I endured a 10 day treatment with flagyl, which causes a strong metallic taste side effect. Thereafter I could no longer tolerate any bitter tasting sweetners. > > > > After reading the IE book I realized that I did not research local sources of beet sugar, because I really feared sugar. I knew that my previous experiences with sugar sweetened foods were reactions to cane sugar (tachycardia and nausea for 48 hours after ingestion), but I didn't consider using beet sugar until I could no longer tolerate the metallic, bitter taste of saccharine and stevia. Recently I found some local beet sugar products and began using that on my cereal and fruit. I also made 7 jars of jam with beet sugar. Now I'm considering other nonallergenic foods which I continued to unnecessary restrict. However, I also feel freer to bake allergy free pastries, which I couldn't purchase as safe allergy free products. > > > > So I want to say 2 things to anyone who read this long intro post: > > (1) If you haven't read the IE book, read that ASAP. > > > > (2) You can still follow IE principles even with food allergies or other medical restrictions, if you view those as internal, rather than external, restrictions, which your body, not some diet expert, imposes to keep itself healthy. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 That must have been excellent to be able to attend such a workshop. I attended a 2 day seminar of Geenen Roth's after reading her books (about 15 years ago). And while I could so agree with the concept she presented, I was just not able to (solo) apply what she suggested to do. I really needed the support of people like those here who are going thru the same struggles that would help me get to the application stage I needed to be. As different as we have tastes for foods, so too do we have different needs and requirements for 'help' ;-) One great thing about this being a more active group is that there are so many and varied responses so finding one that rings true for you or me is more likely too. I don't see that book - Beyond a Shadow of A Diet - on the book list here (in Files section at group site). If you think it is a good addition, please write a brief 'review' of it and I'll add it to the list. Thanks, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Thanks, Katcha. Years ago I attended a one-day workshop with Carol Munter (author of Overcoming Overeating) at a local college. What a great experience! I've read both 'OO' and " When Women ... " several times. I recently read another book entitled " Beyond the Shadow of A Diet: A Therapist's Guide to Treating Compulsive Eating " by Matz and el. The authors frequently quote from " OO " and " IE " as they present IE principles. There are MANY other books which support IE, but Tribole and Resch explain the perils of dieting and the benefits of IE most clearly. that there will be more that we can use when we are ready to 'get' it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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