Re: Still some guilt...

[Guest guest]

, after being 'trained' by dieting to look for and follow 'rules', its hard

to get cozy with IE telling you to toss our RULES in favor of following what

your body tells you. This is especially difficult because after learning to mask

or discount one's own internal signals, these can feel to be GONE (yikes!! lol).

But as you needed to learn to overrule those feelings for dieting, you will find

that allowing these sensations to re-surface will take some time and patience

too. I got a kick out of 'playing' with food when I started IE - even thinking

that I was B$ing myself be telling myself - I'm learning something by

(deliberately) overeating - I was! I reacquainted myself with what STUFFED felt

like and then could choose if I wanted to feel that way or not.

So get out there and PLAY around with your body feedback. Under/over satisfy and

FEEL what each is like ;-) And while its called mindful eating, don't let your

MIND direct what you want, let your whooooooolllllle body have its say :)

PS - the only 'right way' to do IE is when you are satisfied with YOURSELF -

body and soul.

ehugs, Katcha

>

> I have an issue with still feeling a bit guilty after eating. I'm only eating

to a comfortable full, so I don't have that overstuffed feeling. But, for some

reason, I feel like I ate too much just because I feel satisfied. I'm still

struggling with thinking I always need to feel hungry in order to lose weight

and to be doing the IE program right.

>

> The thing is, I know that's not true because of my results. I've lost weight

every week for the past six weeks.

>

> I guess it's going to take time to shake that feeling. Does or did anyone

else experience this?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

marymurphywork wrote:

> I have an issue with still feeling a bit guilty after eating. I'm only

> eating to a comfortable full, so I don't have that overstuffed feeling.

> But, for some reason, I feel like I ate too much just because I feel

> satisfied. I'm still struggling with thinking I always need to feel

> hungry in order to lose weight and to be doing the IE program right.

I have the same problem. After 2 years of IE I still struggle with it.

s.

[Guest guest]

I may be misinterpreting what you're saying. But if I'm not then I totally

relate. ;-)

You're saying that you are sort of addicted to the diet mentality and even

though you are in a healthy place with your body, you still feel guilty for

being full? OR Are you saying you want to learn and are learning all the

intuitive eating cues, etc, you're putting the diet mentality and all that

" control " behind you, BUT...at the same time while listening to your body that

it's not in a healthy place and you somehow need to need to lose some weight to

be healthy while not " dieting " ?

If you're talking about the second possibility, that's where I am. My body knows

it's not in a healthy place, but it doesn't want to go back to dieting and how

much it beats me up emotionally and doesn't even work either. So it's hard for

me to learn cues because it is a tiny bit more complicated. But I am doing it.

Maybe it's not so black or white, meaning starve yourself and beat yourself up

OR eat till your completely satisfied and never work out. Working out is the

biggest help for me, as then I don't really need to change the food so much.

AND listening to my body through intuitive eating has taught me that my body

wants me to work out to be strong and healthy.

I try to think of myslef being in the intuitive eating mode, but that also

includes that I know that I can do intuitive eating while slowly, sometimes

very, losing weight too. Because my body needs to lose weight to be healthy

doesn't mean I don't listen to it with intuitive eating like I would the rest of

the time.

Hope that makes some sense.

Warrior

>

> > I have an issue with still feeling a bit guilty after eating. I'm only

> > eating to a comfortable full, so I don't have that overstuffed feeling.

> > But, for some reason, I feel like I ate too much just because I feel

> > satisfied. I'm still struggling with thinking I always need to feel

> > hungry in order to lose weight and to be doing the IE program right.

>

> I have the same problem. After 2 years of IE I still struggle with it.

>

> s.

>

[Guest guest]

K T wrote:

> OR Are you saying you want to learn and are learning all the intuitive

> eating cues, etc, you're putting the diet mentality and all that " control "

> behind you, BUT...at the same time while listening to your body that it's

> not in a healthy place and you somehow need to need to lose some weight to

> be healthy while not " dieting " ?

That's were I am at. I know that losing weight would increase my health

(because I noticed that I felt much better physically when I started

losing weight two years ago). Moving is easier, cholesterol was back to

normal...

What also increases my health (I also can feel this and I can see it

when I look at my blood sugar readings) is choosing to eat a lot of

vegetables and fruits.

Yet if I'm not careful I'm in rebel mode in an instant.

There is all this talk about " gentle nutrition " and " if you have a

medical condition you'll be able to follow certain guidelines without

feeling deprived because your body will tell you not to eat this or that

food " and after experimenting with that I feel like I was only deluding

myself into the next diet with lots of " good " and " bad " foods while

telling myself I was following the IE guidelines and wondering why I was

rebelling.

At the moment I also have to battle an old demon again: certain foods

are for thin people without diabetes issues only. I don't deserve to eat

these foods. I can't have my cake and eat it all. Get used to it!!

The rebel: " You bet, I CAN! "

s.

[Guest guest]

CINDY - Yes, I have been losing every week. I need to lose about 200 lbs. and

I've lost 24 lbs. in the past 6 weeks. I am truly following the IE way and

enjoying it to the max. Some days are harder than others, because I've been a

binge eater for a very long time. Whenever I did a diet, I would always be

hungry and that's why I think I need to feel hungry in order to lose weight.

I also know that I shouldn't really be weighing myself and I'm going to start

weighing myself once a month...the scale is another diet tool that can get us

into trouble if it doesn't show what we want or hope it to show....And, I don't

need anything right now to get in my way...because it's going to be hard at

times to break all of my bad habits, deal with my emotions, etc.

Thanks for asking and hope you are doing well.

>

>

>

> > I have an issue with still feeling a bit guilty after eating. I'm only

>

> > eating to a comfortable full, so I don't have that overstuffed feeling.

>

> > But, for some reason, I feel like I ate too much just because I feel

>

> > satisfied. I'm still struggling with thinking I always need to feel

>

> > hungry in order to lose weight and to be doing the IE program right.

>

>

>

> I have the same problem. After 2 years of IE I still struggle with it.

>

>

>

> s.

>

[Guest guest]

What about if you looked at it like this: If eating the whole bag of halloween

candy is GOOD in the child's view, but BAD int he parent's view, then isn't it

both? So, eating a food " normal " people can eat is good for your mouth or

rebellion or pleasure or whatever BUT it's bad for your life, you're going to

have to make that parent in you stronger than the child in you, so to speak. I

have low blood sugar, but sugar lowers my blood sugar even more so it can make

me very sick. Hang in there. IE will be a bit tougher for you with working in

restrictions your body needs, but it is totally doable! Don't give up.

Warrior

>

> > OR Are you saying you want to learn and are learning all the intuitive

> > eating cues, etc, you're putting the diet mentality and all that " control "

> > behind you, BUT...at the same time while listening to your body that it's

> > not in a healthy place and you somehow need to need to lose some weight to

> > be healthy while not " dieting " ?

>

> That's were I am at. I know that losing weight would increase my health

> (because I noticed that I felt much better physically when I started

> losing weight two years ago). Moving is easier, cholesterol was back to

> normal...

>

> What also increases my health (I also can feel this and I can see it

> when I look at my blood sugar readings) is choosing to eat a lot of

> vegetables and fruits.

>

> Yet if I'm not careful I'm in rebel mode in an instant.

>

> There is all this talk about " gentle nutrition " and " if you have a

> medical condition you'll be able to follow certain guidelines without

> feeling deprived because your body will tell you not to eat this or that

> food " and after experimenting with that I feel like I was only deluding

> myself into the next diet with lots of " good " and " bad " foods while

> telling myself I was following the IE guidelines and wondering why I was

> rebelling.

>

> At the moment I also have to battle an old demon again: certain foods

> are for thin people without diabetes issues only. I don't deserve to eat

> these foods. I can't have my cake and eat it all. Get used to it!!

>

> The rebel: " You bet, I CAN! "

>

> s.

>

[Guest guest]

hmmm styxia, I can relate to your rebel mode because I do it and have done it. I thought for a few years I'd be immune to weight gain. Why? Because I'm me. But, um, I did gain weight, lots of it. When I couldn't walk much any more I realized this unbridled eating just isn't working. <g>. Cind

> OR Are you saying you want to learn and are learning all the intuitive

> eating cues, etc, you're putting the diet mentality and all that "control"

> behind you, BUT...at the same time while listening to your body that it's

> not in a healthy place and you somehow need to need to lose some weight to

> be healthy while not "dieting"?

That's were I am at. I know that losing weight would increase my health

(because I noticed that I felt much better physically when I started

losing weight two years ago). Moving is easier, cholesterol was back to

normal...

What also increases my health (I also can feel this and I can see it

when I look at my blood sugar readings) is choosing to eat a lot of

vegetables and fruits.

Yet if I'm not careful I'm in rebel mode in an instant.

There is all this talk about "gentle nutrition" and "if you have a

medical condition you'll be able to follow certain guidelines without

feeling deprived because your body will tell you not to eat this or that

food" and after experimenting with that I feel like I was only deluding

myself into the next diet with lots of "good" and "bad" foods while

telling myself I was following the IE guidelines and wondering why I was

rebelling.

At the moment I also have to battle an old demon again: certain foods

are for thin people without diabetes issues only. I don't deserve to eat

these foods. I can't have my cake and eat it all. Get used to it!!

The rebel: "You bet, I CAN!"

s.

[Guest guest]

Hi, . You see? That is such a good sign that you've been losing. And yes, any change I believe has struggle attached to it. But this type of change is less threatening, also less challenging to a degree.Because we are learning to eat normally and enjoy it, right?We don't have to feel guilty about what we eat.As time goes on, I'm sure our changes will get better and better.I've been doing IE for about 3 months now, and my changes and thinking have all been for the better. I'm working on eating only when I'm experiencing hunger signals. And stopping when I've had enough.I'm not particularly worrying what I'm eating, only I do eat the foods I enjoy, not what I don't enjoy.That is not to say, however, that I'm going to go out and order a big bowl of pasta with cream sauce and sausage right now.Maybe later, lol.Thanks for your

reply, loved it.CindiStill learning after all these years...Subject: Re: Still some guilt...To: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 1:02 PM

CINDY - Yes, I have been losing every week. I need to lose about 200 lbs. and I've lost 24 lbs. in the past 6 weeks. I am truly following the IE way and enjoying it to the max. Some days are harder than others, because I've been a binge eater for a very long time. Whenever I did a diet, I would always be hungry and that's why I think I need to feel hungry in order to lose weight.

I also know that I shouldn't really be weighing myself and I'm going to start weighing myself once a month...the scale is another diet tool that can get us into trouble if it doesn't show what we want or hope it to show....And, I don't need anything right now to get in my way...because it's going to be hard at times to break all of my bad habits, deal with my emotions, etc.

Thanks for asking and hope you are doing well.

>

>

>

> > I have an issue with still feeling a bit guilty after eating. I'm only

>

> > eating to a comfortable full, so I don't have that overstuffed feeling.

>

> > But, for some reason, I feel like I ate too much just because I feel

>

> > satisfied. I'm still struggling with thinking I always need to feel

>

> > hungry in order to lose weight and to be doing the IE program right.

>

>

>

> I have the same problem. After 2 years of IE I still struggle with it.

>

>

>

> s.

>

[Guest guest]

K T <<What about if you looked at it like this: If eating the whole bag of

halloween candy is GOOD in the child's view, but BAD int he parent's

view, then isn't it both?>>Yeah, interesting point. And so expanding on this a little bit, if a parent doesn't come in to restrain the child, the child might learn on its on that it will not feel so good after eating all that food. Or it might simply stop eating when it considers itself full and get rid of the rest of the candy, or perhaps tuck it away for another time. i can see a child forget about the candy he had tucked away. The problem (in my mind) is where those out-of-whack kids who are grossly overweight do not have the normal self-imposed constraints, even the ones on TV comedies who are fat. I mention this because I'm assuming they have the money and family support to eat well, but evidently something is missing in either family guidance, or their own natural sense of restraint, also stopping when full. What do you think about the kids who do not have the opportunity to stop eating when full? I'm also assuming that "normal" kids

will stop eating when full after they've learned a few lessons about overeating by virtue of their own instinct.

[Guest guest]

A form of this topic sort of came up before. I think that this is a tricky

topic because it's so complex. There are always people who will go way to the

other side of the spectrum; in other words. always black or white, no gray. So

sometimes you have people OR parents that go way one way or the other. So, some

people might have food issues cause their parents restricted them too much.

Others may have them because they were never taught to listen to their own SELF

discipline. As you see, the more you open up this subject, the deeper it gets.

;-)

Warrior

>

> K T <<What about if you looked at it like this: If eating the whole bag of

> halloween candy is GOOD in the child's view, but BAD int he parent's

> view, then isn't it both?>>

>

> Yeah, interesting point. And so expanding on this a little bit, if a parent

doesn't come in to restrain the child, the child might learn on its on that it

will not feel so good after eating all that food. Or it might simply stop eating

when it considers itself full and get rid of the rest of the candy, or perhaps

tuck it away for another time. i can see a child forget about the candy he had

tucked away. The problem (in my mind) is where those out-of-whack kids who are

grossly overweight do not have the normal self-imposed constraints, even the

ones on TV comedies who are fat. I mention this because I'm assuming they have

the money and family support to eat well, but evidently something is missing in

either family guidance, or their own natural sense of restraint, also stopping

when full. What do you think about the kids who do not have the opportunity to

stop eating when full? I'm also assuming that " normal " kids will stop eating

when full after they've

> learned a few lessons about overeating by virtue of their own instinct.

>