Re: Please help with lab results!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/20/2004 8:56:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,

thelma-lou@... writes:

> Thyroid Peroxidase AS 218H (for High!) U/ML -ref. range <60

> Thyroglobulin Antibodies 56 U/ML - ref. ranhe <60

>

this means she should be diagnosed with Hashi's too.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/20/2004 8:56:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,

thelma-lou@... writes:

> Are there special precautions to take

> if T3 is added to her Synthroid since she has cyclothymia

I think she needs T3 to help alleviate the chronic bipolar symptoms. It may

be soley dure to undertreated hypo (which can have loads of psychiatric

symptoms) and being on a T4 med only. Pure T4 meds can actually increase

depression.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/20/2004 9:58:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,

thelma-lou@... writes:

> I guess I still do not

> understand: what indicates Hashi's?: the Peroxidase antibodies? Why

> did my endo only test microsomal and then diagnose me with Hashi's?

>

I think it is the TPO (peroxidase) test that indicates Hashi's.

Maybe someone else can explain why he diagnosed you with just the one test.

I know when I was diagnosed I had both tests and both were over range.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/20/2004 9:58:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,

thelma-lou@... writes:

> Do you know if 218 peroxidase antibody level is high, or extremely

> high? How far can these levels go?

>

they can go WAY higher...but there is not always a direct relationship

between antibodies and symptoms. Someone can have high antibodies and few

symptoms

or lower antibodies and lots of symptoms or any combination.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/20/2004 9:58:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,

thelma-lou@... writes:

> I had been complaining of fatigue for YEARS. I had hypo

> symptoms for about 20 years (cold feet, low blood pressure, low body

> temperature) does that mean I was developing Hashi's yet had no

> antibodies? Cuz I thought Hashi's CAUSED hypothyroidism?

>

just like me...you probably always had the Hashi's. Antibodies attack the

thyroid and make it dysfunctional...possibly fluctuating between hyper and

hypo...that's why you've had symptoms for so many years.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/20/2004 9:58:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,

thelma-lou@... writes:

> Cuz I thought Hashi's CAUSED hypothyroidism?

yes...after attacking and messing up the thyroid for years and years...it

usually does cause the thyroid to eventually land on hypo.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/20/2004 9:58:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,

thelma-lou@... writes:

> Sorry, I always have so many questions. But I see no

> improvement at all and I have been on Armour since Feb

how much Armour are you on?

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/20/2004 9:58:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,

thelma-lou@... writes:

> At least she explained

> to me why Synthroid/Lev. AND Cytomel were prescribed/preferred

> instead of Armour. (Easier to control each seperate T3 and T4 level)

>

not necessarily...one knows the amounts in Armour too. and it has ALL the

thyroid hormones...not just two.

cindi

[Guest guest]

Hi Kuchen!

Thyroblobulin is the protein in the thyroid cells that produce T4

and T3.

Thyroid peroxidase are the enzymes that help synthesize thyroid

hormones.

Microsomal antibodies are produced from damaged thyroid cells.

Each doc does different tests based on their training.

Your sister is on Wellbutrin because she is depressed, and

depression is a result of a low T3, which is common on Synthroid and

other T4-only meds. The bi-polar cyclothymia is made worse by the

low T3. Her labs show she has Hashi's, and T4 will not address that

well. Armour can address it. Instead of adding T3 to her Synthroid,

she would do better switching to Armour.

Hope that helps.

Janie

> My sister is in town for a few days and she brought her last lab

> results. Please help me first by:

> 1. Explaining the difference between autobodies: 1) Thyroglobulin

> Antibodies; 2) Thyroid Peroxidase (ABS???); 3) Microsomal

Antiboidies

>

> 2. I was diagnosed with Hashi's in July. The only antibodies

tested

> were microsomal. They were over 2,200. Why did the endo only test

> these particular antibodies?

>

> 3. My sister has been on Synthroid for several years. She now

> takes .88 (mg?) She has cyclothymia and takes Depakote (don't know

> how much-alot I think) and Wellbutrin XR (400 mgs I think).

>

> 4. Here are part of her labs. I insisted she ask for a copy. The

dr.

> said nothing about them. Tonight I noticed an elevated antibody!

She

> never caught it. Please help if you can. What does it mean?

>

> Thyroid Peroxidase AS 218H (for High!) U/ML -ref. range <60

> Thyroglobulin Antibodies 56 U/ML - ref. ranhe <60

> T-4 Free 1.7 ng/dl ref range 0.8-1.7

> TSH 2.61 uIU/ML range 0.40.-5.80

>

> I have Hashi's and fatigue and depression big time. I am still not

on

> my optimal dose of Armour (just started 3 grains) I know about the

> new refer. range recommendations for TSH.

>

> But I need input about what antibodies indicate Hashi's...

> Is her Synthroid dose too low? Are there special precautions to

take

> if T3 is added to her Synthroid since she has cyclothymia? She is

> more depressed than " manic "

[Guest guest]

-Thanks so much for your quick reply. I guess I still do not

understand: what indicates Hashi's?: the Peroxidase antibodies? Why

did my endo only test microsomal and then diagnose me with Hashi's?

Maybe cuz my TSH was 2.7 then went to 12 a few weeks later, then back

to 2.somthing when she tested it at the same time as the free T3. T4,

and microsomal antibodies. I did not have a goiter. I only saw her

once.

Do you know if 218 peroxidase antibody level is high, or extremely

high? How far can these levels go?

My microsomal were over 2,200. That doesn't happen overnight, I

believe. I had been complaining of fatigue for YEARS. I had hypo

symptoms for about 20 years (cold feet, low blood pressure, low body

temperature) does that mean I was developing Hashi's yet had no

antibodies? Cuz I thought Hashi's CAUSED hypothyroidism?

Thanks again! Sorry, I always have so many questions. But I see no

improvement at all and I have been on Armour since Feb. I am bed-

ridden with fatigue-that is THEE worst; the depression seems to be

worse, too. I tried, Provigil, Ritalin, and Adderall cuz I couldn't

stand being in bed and in such a fog. That was before I was finally

diagnosed with Hashi's becuz the 2nd endo I saw tested antibodies and

the free levels: AND I DID NOT EVEN HAVE TO ASK HER! A true miracle.

Anyway, I am having a horrible time getting off Adderall. It causes a

major, intense depression when it wears off. I have been weaning off

of it for several weeks. I HATE IT! I think it has kept me from

upping my Armour cuz it (Adderall and all stimulants) increases my

heart rate.

Well, I just ramble and ramble. I'll be back. Thanks for such a

wonderful site! Shoman's is informative but I saw one of her Top

Docs and was VERY disappointed. Thank God I kept my appt with the 2nd

endo- Dr Wojtowicz of the Cleveland Clinic....who was

recommended by someone on a Pro Health Site. At least she explained

to me why Synthroid/Lev. AND Cytomel were prescribed/preferred

instead of Armour. (Easier to control each seperate T3 and T4 level)

She didn't have a problem with Armour.. And I am still taking it. But

I don't want to have any labs done until I feel better. I have wasted

too much time and money already. I am treating by symptoms so I don't

need labs to tell me I am in range or that I need to increase my

dose.

God bless anyone who read my rantings this far down into the post!

Hugs of appreciation, Janie! Forever grateful, Kuchen

-- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " loboshe " <usns@r...>

wrote:

>

> Hi Kuchen!

>

> Thyroblobulin is the protein in the thyroid cells that produce T4

> and T3.

>

> Thyroid peroxidase are the enzymes that help synthesize thyroid

> hormones.

>

> Microsomal antibodies are produced from damaged thyroid cells.

>

> Each doc does different tests based on their training.

>

> Your sister is on Wellbutrin because she is depressed, and

> depression is a result of a low T3, which is common on Synthroid

and

> other T4-only meds. The bi-polar cyclothymia is made worse by the

> low T3. Her labs show she has Hashi's, and T4 will not address that

> well. Armour can address it. Instead of adding T3 to her Synthroid,

> she would do better switching to Armour.

>

> Hope that helps.

>

> Janie

>

>

>

>

> > My sister is in town for a few days and she brought her last lab

> > results. Please help me first by:

> > 1. Explaining the difference between autobodies: 1) Thyroglobulin

> > Antibodies; 2) Thyroid Peroxidase (ABS???); 3) Microsomal

> Antiboidies

> >

> > 2. I was diagnosed with Hashi's in July. The only antibodies

> tested

> > were microsomal. They were over 2,200. Why did the endo only test

> > these particular antibodies?

> >

> > 3. My sister has been on Synthroid for several years. She now

> > takes .88 (mg?) She has cyclothymia and takes Depakote (don't

know

> > how much-alot I think) and Wellbutrin XR (400 mgs I think).

> >

> > 4. Here are part of her labs. I insisted she ask for a copy. The

> dr.

> > said nothing about them. Tonight I noticed an elevated antibody!

> She

> > never caught it. Please help if you can. What does it mean?

> >

> > Thyroid Peroxidase AS 218H (for High!) U/ML -ref. range <60

> > Thyroglobulin Antibodies 56 U/ML - ref. ranhe <60

> > T-4 Free 1.7 ng/dl ref range 0.8-1.7

> > TSH 2.61 uIU/ML range 0.40.-5.80

> >

> > I have Hashi's and fatigue and depression big time. I am still

not

> on

> > my optimal dose of Armour (just started 3 grains) I know about

the

> > new refer. range recommendations for TSH.

> >

> > But I need input about what antibodies indicate Hashi's...

> > Is her Synthroid dose too low? Are there special precautions to

> take

> > if T3 is added to her Synthroid since she has cyclothymia? She is

> > more depressed than " manic "

[Guest guest]

Kuchen, the doc was full of major bull when she said that Armour was

harder to regulate. It is EASY to regulate. And.. it is FAR

superior. I would be RICH if I was given $1.00 for every time a doc

has said that ridiculous statement to folks here.

You are probably not doing well because you are not on ENOUGH

Armour, Kuchen!! How much are you on anyway?? And what is your free

T3?? It is COMMON for docs to leave their patients UNDERDOSED on

Armour because they continue to pay WAYYY too much attention to labs

such as the TSH. The only lab that's worth it's salt is the free T3.

And even MORE important are symptoms. Your symptoms SCREAM

underdosing. Yes, CONTINUE dosing by symptoms.

Additionally, have you had your Ferritin tested? Ferritin is storage

iron, is chronically low in many hypo folks, and a low ferritin can

cause similar symptoms to hypo like your fatigue..

Hashi's has been used as a term to describe ALL hypo patients, but

it more accurate describes those with high antibodies, which causes

every lab to fluctuate between high and low, as well as your

symptoms to fluctuate. Another term is thyroiditis. Yes, some of us,

like myself, never had antibodies--I just had plain ol hypothyroid.

And hugs back to ya!

Janie

> That doesn't happen overnight, I

> believe. I had been complaining of fatigue for YEARS. I had hypo

> symptoms for about 20 years (cold feet, low blood pressure, low

body

> temperature) does that mean I was developing Hashi's yet had no

> antibodies? Cuz I thought Hashi's CAUSED hypothyroidism?

> Thanks again! Sorry, I always have so many questions. But I see no

> improvement at all and I have been on Armour since Feb. I am bed-

> ridden with fatigue-that is THEE worst; the depression seems to be

> worse, too. I tried, Provigil, Ritalin, and Adderall cuz I

couldn't

> stand being in bed and in such a fog. That was before I was

finally

> diagnosed with Hashi's becuz the 2nd endo I saw tested antibodies

and

> the free levels: AND I DID NOT EVEN HAVE TO ASK HER! A true

miracle.

> Anyway, I am having a horrible time getting off Adderall. It

causes a

> major, intense depression when it wears off. I have been weaning

off

> of it for several weeks. I HATE IT! I think it has kept me from

> upping my Armour cuz it (Adderall and all stimulants) increases my

> heart rate.

> Well, I just ramble and ramble. I'll be back. Thanks for such a

> wonderful site! Shoman's is informative but I saw one of her

Top

> Docs and was VERY disappointed.

[Guest guest]

My wife has Hashimoto's Syndrome. The worst problem is, with inadaquete

medication, she just get's worse. The problem is, it builds slowly, and

doctors seem to not understand thyroid fuction, even endocrinologists.

I agreed to attend my wifes next consultation. This next time, we will

leave with with a prescription for armour or an encocrinologist with

severe depression. Previously I did not have the ability to make a

differnce. I didn't understand. Now I do, my wife wants me to be

involved so I have a chance to make a difference. I intend to use all

tools and knowledge available to me to make a difference. I love my

wife and want her to be healthy.

Thank You,

Tharagor

nc2406@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/20/2004 9:58:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> thelma-lou@... writes:

>

> > I had been complaining of fatigue for YEARS. I had hypo

> > symptoms for about 20 years (cold feet, low blood pressure, low body

> > temperature) does that mean I was developing Hashi's yet had no

> > antibodies? Cuz I thought Hashi's CAUSED hypothyroidism?

> >

>

> just like me...you probably always had the Hashi's. Antibodies attack

> the

> thyroid and make it dysfunctional...possibly fluctuating between hyper

> and

> hypo...that's why you've had symptoms for so many years.

> cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You're not on enough Armour, evidently, and if you stay where you are, the

symptoms may be worse now than before, mainly because it's making the

thyroid itself even more lazy than it was before (shut off point). The

antibodies may have something to do with the way you feel, as might adrenal

fatigue, so if you haven't looked into being tested for that, then you need

to. Forgive me, if you've already said that, but there are so many people

on these boards, that it's like waking up to a brand new world for me, with

the same person having to repeat their diagnoses over and over again, lol.

Re: Please help with lab results!

>

>

> -Thanks so much for your quick reply. I guess I still do not

> understand: what indicates Hashi's?: the Peroxidase antibodies? Why

> did my endo only test microsomal and then diagnose me with Hashi's?

> Maybe cuz my TSH was 2.7 then went to 12 a few weeks later, then back

> to 2.somthing when she tested it at the same time as the free T3. T4,

> and microsomal antibodies. I did not have a goiter. I only saw her

> once.

> Do you know if 218 peroxidase antibody level is high, or extremely

> high? How far can these levels go?

> My microsomal were over 2,200. That doesn't happen overnight, I

> believe. I had been complaining of fatigue for YEARS. I had hypo

> symptoms for about 20 years (cold feet, low blood pressure, low body

> temperature) does that mean I was developing Hashi's yet had no

> antibodies? Cuz I thought Hashi's CAUSED hypothyroidism?

> Thanks again! Sorry, I always have so many questions. But I see no

> improvement at all and I have been on Armour since Feb. I am bed-

> ridden with fatigue-that is THEE worst; the depression seems to be

> worse, too. I tried, Provigil, Ritalin, and Adderall cuz I couldn't

> stand being in bed and in such a fog. That was before I was finally

> diagnosed with Hashi's becuz the 2nd endo I saw tested antibodies and

> the free levels: AND I DID NOT EVEN HAVE TO ASK HER! A true miracle.

> Anyway, I am having a horrible time getting off Adderall. It causes a

> major, intense depression when it wears off. I have been weaning off

> of it for several weeks. I HATE IT! I think it has kept me from

> upping my Armour cuz it (Adderall and all stimulants) increases my

> heart rate.

> Well, I just ramble and ramble. I'll be back. Thanks for such a

> wonderful site! Shoman's is informative but I saw one of her Top

> Docs and was VERY disappointed. Thank God I kept my appt with the 2nd

> endo- Dr Wojtowicz of the Cleveland Clinic....who was

> recommended by someone on a Pro Health Site. At least she explained

> to me why Synthroid/Lev. AND Cytomel were prescribed/preferred

> instead of Armour. (Easier to control each seperate T3 and T4 level)

> She didn't have a problem with Armour.. And I am still taking it. But

> I don't want to have any labs done until I feel better. I have wasted

> too much time and money already. I am treating by symptoms so I don't

> need labs to tell me I am in range or that I need to increase my

> dose.

> God bless anyone who read my rantings this far down into the post!

> Hugs of appreciation, Janie! Forever grateful, Kuchen

[Guest guest]

nne,

The only real difference between a doctor and someone who has done the

appropriate research is confidence.

If you know that your insurance will pay for a free T3 test then tell

your doctor that he/she is misinformed and explain why. I think the

biggest mistake a patient can make is not providing their research to

their doctor and letting their doctor know they are informed. If your

doctor ignores that then you need another doctor. A doctor who would

ignore good, valuable information, could put your life in jeapordy

because they trust their misconceptions more than evidence. They have

the highest propensity for a " god complex " .

Have some faith in yourself and your research. Take you doctor to

task. They are, after all, only human.

nne Skoog wrote:

> My pediatrician told me he couldn't do the free t3 for my son because it

> didn't really tell you anything anyway.

>

> My HMO doc told me he couldn't so a free T3 for me, because the insurance

> wouldn't cover it. (funny that my holistic doc ordered that and MANY more

> tests on the exact same insurance plan!)

>

> All they know is what the synthroid reps tell them probably! Scary to

> think

> that the drug reps are giving the docs their continuing education.

>

> nne

>

>

>

> Doctor can't do Free T3 any more. Since it's unreliable or

> inaccurate the lab doesn't

>

> Do it any more! Isn't that pathetic?

>

> in Va.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, nne,

In your case, I'd call the insurance co. myself and ask.

in Va.

My pediatrician told me he couldn't do the free t3 for my son because it

didn't really tell you anything anyway.

My HMO doc told me he couldn't so a free T3 for me, because the insurance

wouldn't cover it. (funny that my holistic doc ordered that and MANY more

tests on the exact same insurance plan!)

All they know is what the synthroid reps tell them probably! Scary to think

that the drug reps are giving the docs their continuing education.

nne

[Guest guest]

I just read (from Dr. Mercola I believe) that estrodiol, is more

like natural hormonal replacement than the other synthetic hormones

are. For instance, Premarin is from mare's urine so is not bio-

identical. But he said estradiol is more beio-identical.

I stopped taking it a few months ago & have had severe hot flashes &

emotional upsets & other physical, mental, emotional disturbances

since being off of it. Tho I stopped taking it originally because

they said HRT carries a greater risk of heart disease & stroke tho

it reduces the risk for osteoporsis. Since heart attacks & strokes

gallop through my family, I decided to quit taking it.

But on the other hand I need it for the bone density problems I

have...severe osteopenia which is borderline osteoporosis. Plus I

have severe disc loss (DDD) in my spine too for many years now.

So now I'm thinking of getting my Estradiol Rx refilled & start

taking it again & see how I do on it compared to how I'm now doing.

I am taking a natural herbal fomular called " Change 'O Life " for

about a month now but it's not addressing the hot flashes & sweats

(which I hate) at all tho may be helping the emotional swings &

other things I'm unaware of.

But I'm thinking it's not a good enough substitute for the hormones

I need as was the Estradiol. So based on what Dr. Mercola's (think

it was him) comments on the subject, I'm going to go back to taking

the Estradiol.

Now I may need progesterone too, if not testosterone as well but

have no way of knowing that right now. On Thursday I'm seeing a new

doctor, an older experienced Internist, who's reportedly the best

around here for working with her patients. So hopefully we can work

together on my unique problems. I definitely need a good doctor just

for referrals from her to other specialists like osteopaths,

orthopedists, chiropodists, etc.

I wish I were more educated on all the details about thyroid

dysfunction, adrenals, female glands/organs & such to be able to

articulate it all better to my new doctor. But I'll have to the best

I can with what I've learned from this group so far. And bless you

all for all the input I've read here that's helped me so much to

understand this all so much better.

Blessings,

Caroline

> Tharagor,

>> If you don't mind my asking, how old is your wife? When we ladies

get around 40-45, maybe even younger, Sex hormones begin to decline

and we are looking at more issues. I've begun bio-identical

hormones (in Addition to my Armour) that are doing wonders for me.

So when she approaches that time in life, don't forget to NOT let

the doctor put her on any Premarin, Prempro or other synthetic crap.

Too dangerous have been removed]

[Guest guest]

My last doctor did the Free T3 test as I asked her to & had the test

results back the next day when she then called me to let me know

what they were, along with the Free T4, TSH, cholesterol & others.

So it doesn't take any longer, in my experience. And I'm on Medicare

which doesn't like to pay for much of anything. So some doctors are

just plain absurd & making excuses. I just fire those kinds of M.D.s

once I get any inkling or their true colors & stubborness to take

whatever tests are necessary.

Caroline

> , be sure to tell your friend that the reason her dr is

refusing to do the FreeT3 test is because it costs the insurance

company a little more money, and takes a little longer to get the

results back.

> LOL.

>

[Guest guest]

Have you already gotten a copy of your test results Caroline? I'm

betting it wasn't FreeT3 that she ran if you got it the next day.

I've never been able to get one of those back before 3 days, tops.

Now, T3 and T4, I can have the next day. FreeT4 the next day, but not

FreeT3. It's always the one that takes longest.

SandyE~Houston

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:22:02 -0000

" carolmamaha " wrote:

>

> My last doctor did the Free T3 test as I asked her to & had the test

> results back the next day when she then called me to let me know

> what they were, along with the Free T4, TSH, cholesterol & others.

> So it doesn't take any longer, in my experience. And I'm on Medicare

> which doesn't like to pay for much of anything. So some doctors are

> just plain absurd & making excuses. I just fire those kinds of M.D.s

> once I get any inkling or their true colors & stubborness to take

> whatever tests are necessary.

> Caroline

>

>

> > , be sure to tell your friend that the reason her dr is

> refusing to do the FreeT3 test is because it costs the insurance

> company a little more money, and takes a little longer to get the

> results back.

> > LOL.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sandy wrote:

>Have you already gotten a copy of your test results Caroline? I'm

>betting it wasn't FreeT3 that she ran if you got it the next day.

> I've never been able to get one of those back before 3 days, tops.

>Now, T3 and T4, I can have the next day. FreeT4 the next day, but not

>FreeT3. It's always the one that takes longest.

>

>

>

>

>

i get free t3s back the same day if i get my blood taken first thing in

the morning-it depends on the lab setup

--

Alison

http://www.alisonashwell.com

new work uploaded

http://www.artwanted/alisonashwell

[Guest guest]

Nope...can't get a copy of the results unless I go to her office & sign a

release form for them, she said. I can't go because I don't have a car right

now. So.....

Maybe it was a few days later that she called me with the results. I forget

now...brain fog..LOL!

Re: Re: Please help with lab results!

Have you already gotten a copy of your test results Caroline? I'm

betting it wasn't FreeT3 that she ran if you got it the next day.

I've never been able to get one of those back before 3 days, tops.

Now, T3 and T4, I can have the next day. FreeT4 the next day, but not

FreeT3. It's always the one that takes longest.

SandyE~Houston

[Guest guest]

I was first in line before the lab opened on the morning of my blood test day.

Re: Re: Please help with lab results!

i get free t3s back the same day if i get my blood taken first thing in

the morning-it depends on the lab setup

[Guest guest]

Ask them if they will mail you the release form. Than you can mail it

back and they can mail you your results. I don't think you have to

have a witness for a copy of your blood test results.

Louise

> Nope...can't get a copy of the results unless I go to her office &

sign a release form for them, she said. I can't go because I don't

have a car right now. So.....

> Maybe it was a few days later that she called me with the results.

I forget now...brain fog..LOL!

> Re: Re: Please help with lab

results!

>

>

> Have you already gotten a copy of your test results Caroline?

I'm

> betting it wasn't FreeT3 that she ran if you got it the next day.

> I've never been able to get one of those back before 3 days,

tops.

> Now, T3 and T4, I can have the next day. FreeT4 the next day,

but not

> FreeT3. It's always the one that takes longest.

>

> SandyE~Houston

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I asked her to either the test results or the release form. She said " no " , I

have to come in to their office.

C

Re: Please help with lab results!

Ask them if they will mail you the release form. Than you can mail it

back and they can mail you your results. I don't think you have to have a

witness for a copy of your blood test results.

Louise

[Guest guest]

Caroline - all you have to do is write a note requesting a copy of your lab

results. I don't know why that's even necessary. If the doctor's

office mails it to your home address, that should suffice for protecting

your privacy. Actually, now that I think about it further, I only had to

write a note if I wanted the doctor to send the test results to somebody

other than myself .... to another doctor, for example. ....joan

>>>In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Caroline Pollak "

<MamaMaha@M...> wrote:

>Nope...can't get a copy of the results unless I go to her office &

sign a release form for them, she said. I can't go because I don't

have a car right now.

[Guest guest]

Could do that I suppose & ty for the suggestion. But should be getting another

car soon according to my son who told me he's looking for another one for me.

But I'm seeing another totally new doctor on Thursday. It's my new friend's

doctor. She's driving me there in fact. So the new doc. can order the blood test

results from the other doctor I just fired.

Also why even bother with the blood tests if they don't tell much either way

anyway? I mean I have the numbers of the test results for TSH, free T3/T4 which

I already posted that the doctor gave me over the phone. So what more is

necessary at this point? Nothing that I can see.

Even if the new doctor doesn't prescribe Armour for me or does & its not enough,

or she's being a slave to the lab tests, I've already ordered it on my own &

plan to self-medicate anyway. The way I view it is that I need the new doctor

only for referrals to other specialists mainly for my severe, advanced spinal

problems, pain management & physical therapy or possible surgery in the future

which no amount of Armour is going to cure or completely ameliorate anyway. Also

for other bodily problems like bone density tests with my severe osteopenia, MRI

brain & spinal scans & such as necessary in the future. A doctor is best to have

to order or refer for those too.

Tho the Armour it might help with some of that, yes. But cure it? Not at my age

with all the bone & spinal deterioration I've got plus my organs in general

wearing out as they do for all people as we age. Also I'll need a new GYN which

I haven't got in this new residential area I'm living in now either. I still

have female hormonal problems, hot flashes, etc & need ongoing pap smears,

breast exams & other such things for my overall wellbeing & dis-ease prevention

or intervention. My mom had breast cancer. Don't want that. My husband had colon

cancer, don't want that either so regular exams for that are best to get too.

So even though I can experiment with self-medicating too, I still need a dr's

diagnosis or lab tests for that as well. I prefer getting my lab tests & other

referrals to specialists through a good, thorough but open doctor at this point

in time. My friend tells me her doctor, who's been treating her for over 10

years now, is the best doctor around here that other doctors would go to

themsevles.

So here's hoping she works out okay for me too. Otherwise I have to wait until I

get a car to drive an hour's drive south for a thyroid specialist who's also

hopefully an-around GP or referring dr. too. But first things first. I don't see

why I need the copy of the blood test results when I already have the numbers

info given to me by the dr over the phone. I can wait & let the new dr. get the

results from the old one. No hurry on that.

C

RE: Re: Please help with lab results!

Caroline - all you have to do is write a note requesting a copy of your lab

results. I don't know why that's even necessary. If the doctor's

office mails it to your home address, that should suffice for protecting

your privacy. Actually, now that I think about it further, I only had to

write a note if I wanted the doctor to send the test results to somebody

other than myself .... to another doctor, for example. ....joan