Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 In a message dated 10/20/2004 4:12:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, 420@... writes: > we're all just putting duct tape over the symptoms of our diseases. > what a unique way of saying it...that's exactly what I feel was done for years with me...duct tape... cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 In a message dated 10/20/2004 5:09:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, 420@... writes: > however i haven't seen > the research linking bipolar with thyroid ANTIBODIES. did you mean > like hashimoto's? > > that's very interesting. i wonder if it's two entities or if treating > the thyroid alleviates the bipolarism. or it's just a " you're outta > luck " kind of thing. > yes..hashimoto's... I think that many mental disorders these days are actually thyroid dysfunction presenting as psychiatric disorders. But you can see the big problem here. It's hard enough to get diagnosed...and then hard to get medication enough to get the hormone levels up where they should be to alleviate symptoms. And if someone is only presenting with psychiatric symptoms initially...I think there's a real possibility of long-term brain changes that become harder to overcome. Plus, folks start being given other psychotropic meds and then if they ever do get proper thyroid hormone (armour), how does all that interract to start healing the brain? I've probably researched the psychiatric aspects of thyroid disease more than anything else given that my mom was undiagnosed Hashimoto's and committed suicide....and other suicide attempts and mental disorders and suicide on the family side with thyroid disease. I was actually shocked at how much research is out there about mental disorders and thyroid dysfunction and yet so few people who are suffering with mental/personality disorders have actually even heard that. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 yes, i came upon it recently. saying that thyroid sufferers have a high incidence of bipolar disease, or that bipolar sufferers have a high incidence of thyroid disease. i had assumed, ostensibly that it had to do with lithium depleting the thyroid. however i haven't seen the research linking bipolar with thyroid ANTIBODIES. did you mean like hashimoto's? that's very interesting. i wonder if it's two entities or if treating the thyroid alleviates the bipolarism. or it's just a " you're outta luck " kind of thing. b > > In a message dated 10/20/2004 4:12:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, > 420@... writes: > >> but also bipolar sufferers, who take lithium which >> eventually erodes their thyroids. >> > > baron, > and if a person has thyroid disease in the family...the thyroid can > fail very > fast from the lithium. I know three BDD sufferers that happened > to...all > young folks. > you do know there's some research linking bipolar and thyroid > antibodies? > cindi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 In my case, I was diagnosed bipolar, but was actually hyperthyeroid. The hyperthyroid phase went on for several yrs. When the hyper phase was over and the thyroid completely failed, it was like looking back at someone else in my body. I NEVER had another episode, so, no matter what all these psyches say, I believe that the word bipolar simply represents another symptom of thyroid disease. I have Hashimoto's and I have both major thyroid antibodies, antithyroidperoxidase and antithyroglobulin, in the thousands, not the hundreds. I have a deceased brother, who basically died of " bipolar disorder " , i.e., wet brain, etc., from alcoholism (they have a tendency to medicate themselves with alcohol to calm down or make them feel better), but he always had this stare to the eyes (didn't do drugs, only alcohol), this inability to stay in one place, and I KNOW in my gut that he had undiagnosed thyroid disease. Noone ever thought to run thyroid antibodies or thyroid hormones on him. I also believe that my mom is both. I believe that this is simply thyroid disease, with another name given to it. Re: Brain fog > > yes, i came upon it recently. saying that thyroid sufferers have a > high incidence of bipolar disease, or that bipolar sufferers have a > high incidence of thyroid disease. i had assumed, ostensibly that it > had to do with lithium depleting the thyroid. however i haven't seen > the research linking bipolar with thyroid ANTIBODIES. did you mean > like hashimoto's? > > that's very interesting. i wonder if it's two entities or if treating > the thyroid alleviates the bipolarism. or it's just a " you're outta > luck " kind of thing. > > b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 i just want to add that in my research and reading of bipolar disorder, i have never come upon the mention of thyroiditis even in its periphery. yet in researching thyroid i've learnt of its relationship to mood disorders, including bipolar. ostensibly, we're a lot more aware of this but it seems the bipolar community believes in a chemical imbalance in the brain as the primary and perhaps only cause of their disease. how do we raise the awareness and get them to notice? baron > > In my case, I was diagnosed bipolar, but was actually hyperthyeroid. > The > hyperthyroid phase went on for several yrs. When the hyper phase was > over > and the thyroid completely failed, it was like looking back at someone > else > in my body. I NEVER had another episode, so, no matter what all these > psyches say, I believe that the word bipolar simply represents another > symptom of thyroid disease. I have Hashimoto's and I have both major > thyroid antibodies, antithyroidperoxidase and antithyroglobulin, in the > thousands, not the hundreds. I have a deceased brother, who basically > died > of " bipolar disorder " , i.e., wet brain, etc., from alcoholism (they > have a > tendency to medicate themselves with alcohol to calm down or make them > feel > better), but he always had this stare to the eyes (didn't do drugs, > only > alcohol), this inability to stay in one place, and I KNOW in my gut > that he > had undiagnosed thyroid disease. Noone ever thought to run thyroid > antibodies or thyroid hormones on him. I also believe that my mom is > both. > I believe that this is simply thyroid disease, with another name given > to > it. > > > > Re: Brain fog > > >> >> yes, i came upon it recently. saying that thyroid sufferers have a >> high incidence of bipolar disease, or that bipolar sufferers have a >> high incidence of thyroid disease. i had assumed, ostensibly that it >> had to do with lithium depleting the thyroid. however i haven't seen >> the research linking bipolar with thyroid ANTIBODIES. did you mean >> like hashimoto's? >> >> that's very interesting. i wonder if it's two entities or if treating >> the thyroid alleviates the bipolarism. or it's just a " you're outta >> luck " kind of thing. >> >> b > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 I believe bipolar is also called manic depression? Bipolar is not a term that is generally used in the UK (as far as I know) In my case it is a chicken and egg situation. I was diagnosed with severe clinical depression, treated with lithium, then within a few months was hyperthyroid. Could have been that I was actually hyper anyway or it could have been the lithium that tipped the scales. Lynda (in the UK) Re: Brain fog In my case, I was diagnosed bipolar, but was actually hyperthyeroid. The hyperthyroid phase went on for several yrs. When the hyper phase was over and the thyroid completely failed, it was like looking back at someone else in my body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Lithium BLOCKS the thyroid hormones, causing HYPOthyroidism, not hyperthyroidism, so I would say that it may have been all that was " holding back the dam " of hyper, in your case. I say that hyper initiated the original symptoms, THEN was helped by lithium, then still became even worse, so that the lithium no longer " covered " it any more. If you have Grave's Disease, at some point, whether after RAI, or else the thyroid simply playing itself out, you will probably become hypothyroid, at which point, the lithium would be a dangerous thing for you. However, at that point, you'll no longer need the lithium, and I strongly believe that. I never took lithium, as the doctor did not prescribe it at the time. Instead, not really knowing what he was doing, he prescribed the old tricyclic antidepressants, which sent me into even further " bipolar " or " mania " . They are well documented to cause this. Eventually, my thyroid went into complete failure, almost in a few days, and I never again experienced the manic symptoms. I did, however, experience depression for awhile after that, but until I got on Armour Thyroid, I had low grade depression for about 3 yrs. The mania? It's like looking back at someone else, and I'm sure it was caused by thyroid, hyper. I believe that there are millions of " bipolar " people out there, with undiagnosed thyroid disease. Even though their doctors told them their thyroids were normal, I believe that they were simply running the TSH or the Totals in the T3 and T4. Re: Brain fog > > I believe bipolar is also called manic depression? Bipolar is not a term that is generally used in the UK (as far as I know) > In my case it is a chicken and egg situation. I was diagnosed with severe clinical depression, treated with lithium, then within a few months was hyperthyroid. Could have been that I was actually hyper anyway or it could have been the lithium that tipped the scales. > Lynda (in the UK) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 yes, that sounds about right. I was no longer on lithium when hyper symptoms struck but it could be, as you said, that the lithium was holding the dam. After hyper I became hypo, I believe that my thyroid simply burnt itself out, I didn't have RAI Lynda Re: Brain fog Lithium BLOCKS the thyroid hormones, causing HYPOthyroidism, not hyperthyroidism, so I would say that it may have been all that was " holding back the dam " of hyper, in your case. I say that hyper initiated the original symptoms, THEN was helped by lithium, then still became even worse, so that the lithium no longer " covered " it any more. If you have Grave's Disease, at some point, whether after RAI, or else the thyroid simply playing itself out, you will probably become hypothyroid, at which point, the lithium would be a dangerous thing for you. However, at that point, you'll no longer need the lithium, and I strongly believe that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 In a message dated 10/21/2004 4:12:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, marin@... writes: > I believe that there are millions of > " bipolar " people out there, with undiagnosed thyroid disease. Even though > their doctors told them their thyroids were normal, I believe that they were > simply running the TSH or the Totals in the T3 and T4. > I'm in total agreement with you. That's what I have said about folks with Body Dysmorphic Disorder...that they are just undiagnosed thyroid folks. I think it's quite possible that is the case in borderline personality disorder and avoidant personality disorder. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 In a message dated 10/21/2004 10:53:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, 420@... writes: > how do we raise the awareness and get them to notice? > gosh..this is a great question...and one i have been struggling with for a few months because of my research on thyroid and psychiatric disorders. I've about come to believe it is hopeless. If a physical condition is the reason for a mental disorder...think of all the folks who end up losing money...the psychologists, the book writers, the drug companies. And then the second problem is how little most folks understand how medical stuff...they just don't comprehend it. So if you tell someone your anxiety may be caused by a low T3...and then they go to the doctor and the doctor says well yes, you're low...but you're in range...so you are NORMAL. Most folks will believe the doctor unfortunately. And most folks are scared of self-medicating. And there is no money for anyone in prescribing Armour...no research grants, no perks...so...I'm pretty pessimistic about it all. I'm going to send you a summary I did about low thyroid link to BDD. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 In a message dated 10/21/2004 10:53:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, 420@... writes: > > how do we raise the awareness and get them to notice? > sorry...i couldn't get email to go to your address...if you have another one to receive mail, let me know...and i'll send you my document. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 " how do we raise the awareness and get them to notice? " What a great question. I have recently joined a bipolar online group as I have a step-daughter who is bipolar. I have held my tongue to date as I'm new to their board, but I've been wanting to brooch the subject of hypothyroidism and bipolar disorder - especially those who have taken lithium and been thrown into hypothyroidism (if they weren't that way previously) along with discussing the many matching symptoms of the disease and disorder. Those diagnosed with bipolar get placed on so many different drugs, what a wonder it would be if taking Armour would help decrease or alleviate many of the different psych drugs they often have to take (that have so many negative side effects). My only concern at times is that I feel like I'm telling people that Armour is a miracle drug that will cure so many things and then people begin to quit listening to me - I'm not saying that, but sometimes my mind says - it can't be this great or the whole world would already know about it. I'm babbling, but hopefully you get what I'm saying. At times I feel like the guy standing on the box with the snake oil up for sale. I know my family gets tired of hearing about it. It was all I could do yesterday to NOT butt into this woman's business who I was talking to - we were looking at her house (might buy it) and the realtor had mentioned that this woman had been disabled for the past three years due to " something like fibromyalgia, " but since she didn't say this to me I didn't feel it proper that I start babbling on about Dr. Lowe in Colorado and hypothyroidism and Armour, etc. But I sure would have liked to The only thing she said to me was that she would probably be in a wheel-chair in the future, but so far she had beat the odds that the docs had given her. She was still up walking around and doing things at this time. Bipolar disorder is a tough thing to deal with and if it relates to hypothyroidism and Armour would help I would love that. Jen R. -- Re: Brain fog i just want to add that in my research and reading of bipolar disorder, i have never come upon the mention of thyroiditis even in its periphery. yet in researching thyroid i've learnt of its relationship to mood disorders, including bipolar. ostensibly, we're a lot more aware of this but it seems the bipolar community believes in a chemical imbalance in the brain as the primary and perhaps only cause of their disease. how do we raise the awareness and get them to notice? baron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 THANK YOU. baron > > In a message dated 10/21/2004 12:30:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, > 420@... writes: > >> well there is baron@... which ought to work. >> >> > > this worked...i sent the word document to you. > cindi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Well, it is chemical imbalance in the brain, but so many forums believe only in swatting at the symptoms of it, rather than researching other causes. Many of them believe that their Psychs are gods or something and know all, or they're just too immersed in their disease at the time to really get down and look for other causes. I am on the About forum for these mood disorders, and I have introduced it, around a yr ago or so. I did get some polite reactions, but not any real curiosity. I understand that, to some extent, in that many of these people have been through/put other people through living hell, and have become very one-directional in healing, yet they still don't find their true causes, just treat with psych meds. There HAVE been some recent changes on there, and thyroid and endo disorders was brought forward, but I don't think in a really serious way. They just have it vaguely listed. I did use myself as an example, on the forum itself. Re: Brain fog > > i just want to add that in my research and reading of bipolar disorder, > i have never come upon the mention of thyroiditis even in its > periphery. yet in researching thyroid i've learnt of its relationship > to mood disorders, including bipolar. ostensibly, we're a lot more > aware of this but it seems the bipolar community believes in a chemical > imbalance in the brain as the primary and perhaps only cause of their > disease. > > how do we raise the awareness and get them to notice? > > baron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 In a message dated 10/22/2004 4:50:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, marin@... writes: > They don't see where many SSRIs used to treat > the depression end are also involved in downgrading the thyroid I know. There's another BDD guy also diagnosed with hypo. His ranges look pretty good...I believe his Free T3 was over 400. BUT he is taking 80 mcg/mg (?) of Prozac (plus two other psych drugs)..which has flouride...which interferes with thyroid hormone...so one has to wonder how much Freee T3 he really has. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 I know EXACTLY what you're talking about there, Jen. It's mind boggling to actually know that this little organ is actually causing so many diseases, it seems unreal, but I've discovered that it is real. Getting other people in your local community is very hard because so many people who have not read, seen, and listened to so many thousands of people on this sbjct, do not understand that their docs are not necessarily learned on all sbjts of medicine. They want to feel secure with their doctors and believe that he is handling all of it in a way that will bring them back to the way they used to be (don't we all), and make them well again, or they just accept that it's always going to be this way. I am a realist, I do know that we're all going to eventuallly die of old age, and the body parts do play out, but I can't accept that we must suffer our way completely to the grave. I think that the human body was actuallly meant to live forever, and human kind has screwed that up, yes, but some things on this earth DO have a better way of being treated, without all the suffering. This is a very large part of that key that unlocks human health. Of course, there are even more secrets right now than there are cures, but the thyroid is a very main focus. Remember when WE didn't know any better either? I do, and you would have had a hard time convincing me otherwise. So, it has to be introduced ever so slowly, but when a person will NOT listen, then that's all you can do. There IS safety in #s, so that's why using our titles and such does help and banding together in large organizations helps also. Re: Brain fog > > " how do we raise the awareness and get them to notice? " > > What a great question. I have recently joined a bipolar online group as I > have a step-daughter who is bipolar. I have held my tongue to date as I'm > new to their board, but I've been wanting to brooch the subject of > hypothyroidism and bipolar disorder - especially those who have taken > lithium and been thrown into hypothyroidism (if they weren't that way > previously) along with discussing the many matching symptoms of the disease > and disorder. Those diagnosed with bipolar get placed on so many different > drugs, what a wonder it would be if taking Armour would help decrease or > alleviate many of the different psych drugs they often have to take (that > have so many negative side effects). > > My only concern at times is that I feel like I'm telling people that Armour > is a miracle drug that will cure so many things and then people begin to > quit listening to me - I'm not saying that, but sometimes my mind says - it > can't be this great or the whole world would already know about it. I'm > babbling, but hopefully you get what I'm saying. At times I feel like the > guy standing on the box with the snake oil up for sale. I know my family > gets tired of hearing about it. > > It was all I could do yesterday to NOT butt into this woman's business who > I was talking to - we were looking at her house (might buy it) and the > realtor had mentioned that this woman had been disabled for the past three > years due to " something like fibromyalgia, " but since she didn't say this to > me I didn't feel it proper that I start babbling on about Dr. Lowe in > Colorado and hypothyroidism and Armour, etc. But I sure would have liked to > The only thing she said to me was that she would probably be in a > wheel-chair in the future, but so far she had beat the odds that the docs > had given her. She was still up walking around and doing things at this > time. > > Bipolar disorder is a tough thing to deal with and if it relates to > hypothyroidism and Armour would help I would love that. > > Jen R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 One of the comments I got was that lithium wasn't being used as frequently as it used to be, and they are right about that one. Many new drugs have come onto the market used to treat bipolar, so the lithium issue angle is moot to many of these people. They don't see where many SSRIs used to treat the depression end are also involved in downgrading the thyroid. One thing I've learned is to remove myself from it all sometimes because it can drown you worrying about all of it. It becomes part of your stress issue for " saving the world " , and sometimes we have to temporarily remove ourselves from this stressor, as well as others. Everyone is not going to see it our way, or rather our ways. Re: Brain fog > > really, 420@... didn't work? > > hm. well there is baron@... which ought to work. > > but i do know that there were server upgrades earlier this morning with > them, so if 420 won't work, baron might not work. will you please try > again anyway? > > thanks, cindi. > > baron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 In a message dated 10/22/2004 8:58:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, jreid69@... writes: > " My name is > and I am a problem solver, it's good to be here tonight. " Sometimes > I need to be saved from myself. > thank you so much for this warm laughter i got from your post. I can totally identify. There are some folks I know that I want to offer to pay for their healthcheck bloodtests and/or send them bottles of Armour...it's all i can do to restrain myself. I too, need to be saved from myself. But the established fibro patients are tough to convince I think. Some of then have 10 years plus invested in their Fibro diagnosis...and I think they just can't accept that this has anything to do with their thyroid hormone. I've even sent my gal friend lots of info about fibro and low thyroid...and she never ever says a thing in response. So what can one do? Force Armour down their throats? She also has one of those doctors who cautioned her about believing stuff she reads on the internet...that there is lots of wrong information out there. Geez..the wrong information is sitting in the doctor's offices in my opinion. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 I still haven't been able to get this lady out of my mind. While reading 's reply to me/group I was thinking in the back of my head about just handing this woman a card with Dr. Lowe's web address on it. " My name is and I am a problem solver, it's good to be here tonight. " Sometimes I need to be saved from myself. Jen R. -- Re: Brain fog I know EXACTLY what you're talking about there, Jen. It's mind boggling to actually know that this little organ is actually causing so many diseases, it seems unreal, but I've discovered that it is real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 With thousands of us doing that, the whole world would know pretty soon, but don't lose sleep when someone won't listen. You can lead a horse to water.................. Re: Brain fog > > I still haven't been able to get this lady out of my mind. While reading > 's reply to me/group I was thinking in the back of my head about just > handing this woman a card with Dr. Lowe's web address on it. " My name is > and I am a problem solver, it's good to be here tonight. " Sometimes > I need to be saved from myself. > > Jen R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 I SOOOO wanted to go to New Orleans for Mardi Gras this year but finances wouldn't let me. I have been for the last three years (both in a parade on the saturday and seeing hte parades on sunday) and I missed it so much this year. Me and my best friend are already making plans that we WILL be in New Orleans next year for mardi gras!!! It is SOOOO mcuh fun!!! N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 I get dates and days mixed up a lot lately. I do know when valentine's day is, the paydays are, and hubbies birthday coming up - he is a leap year baby and GETS a birthday this year. But otherwise I tend to think it's Tuesday by the end of the day Monday. I kept thinking tomorrow was Monday earlier. wrote: >> > I think that I have to check the computer --- read my home town paper > or anything that might let me know what day of the week it is!!! > Today I had no idea what day it was until I suddenly realized my > husband was going to visit co-worker in hospital! (But that was > yesterday!???) So I guess I missed another day!) Certainly was easy > when I was working! At least then I knew which day it was --- > especially paydays --- every other Friday! No wonder husband asked > if I wanted to go shopping with him!!! We used to spend our weekends > going on drives around the area so that we would really explore the > various areas where we have lived. > So, to anyone who doesn't remember or know what day of the week it is > or the date, you are NOT alone. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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