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Hi Ann , Yes you can take minocycine alone but actually I think you should be on minocin . Minocin is the brand name to minocycline but minocin is timed released and works much better so see if you can get your dr to write you script for minocin and check in the box DAW ( dispense as written) or they will fill it with minocycline . BIG difference in effect between these 2 drugs . IMO from my experience minocycline powder does not work period . You do not need to do IVs and you do not need to take anything else but this is really only a decision between you and your dr and your disease and its activity as to how to start this therapy . Discuss the timed released version with your dr Hope this info helps warm regards, socjog

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Hi, I live in Canada and the time release minocin has not been available to me so I have been taking the powder filled capsules by Lederle(orange and blue) 100mg ever since jun98 and am now 90% in remission for DM as well as MCTD with crest.

Don't be too quick in saying that the powdered form does not work. It works for some. At least the Lederle generic does.

Carol/Piney

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Hi Ann ,

Yes you can take minocycine alone but actually I think you should be on minocin . Minocin is the brand name to minocycline but minocin is timed released and works much better so see if you can get your dr to write you script for minocin and check in the box DAW ( dispense as written) or they will fill it with minocycline . BIG difference in effect between these 2 drugs . IMO from my experience minocycline powder does not work period . You do not need to do IVs and you do not need to take anything else but this is really only a decision between you and your dr and your disease and its activity as to how to start this therapy . Discuss the timed released version with your dr Hope this info helps warm regards,

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Hi Carol,

I think it depends on the generic you are taking. The Lederle does work

but some of the others do not. I've taken one that wasn't Lederle and

it did not do anything for me at all. Great big difference when I

started on the brand name minocin. Saw things happening right away. I

was really amazed at the difference.

Jeanette

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Carol, I think all the same as you mentioned. I live in Japan and

minocycline powdered (Minomycin from Lederle) is the only one available

here and I'm doing very well on it for rheumatoid arthritis. I've started

small AP groups here and several friends are experiencing improvements

on the same drug. A few people who read AP mailing list or BB have

been very anxious for our not having pelleted minocycline. Your comment

on this will please our friends too much. I'll let them know your

story on our mailing list. Thanks again for sharing your experience.

Norio

from Japan

Bob and Carol Zarn wrote:

> Hi, I live in Canada and the time release minocin has not been available

> to me so I have been taking the powder filled capsules by Lederle(orange

> and blue) 100mg ever since jun98 and am now 90% in remission for DM as

> well as MCTD with crest.

>

> Don't be too quick in saying that the powdered form does not work. It

> works for some. At least the Lederle generic does.

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Hi Ann,

Yes, you do need to take acidophilis when you are taking minocin.

Minocin will destroy a lot of the good gut floral in your stomach and it

is important to replace it with acidophilis. The refrigerated

acidophilis is the best. You can usually get it at any health food

store. Most people take four or more capsuls a day.

Hope this helps.

Jeanette

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Please tell me if you have to take Acidophollis when you are taking Minocin. Seems some people do. Where do you purchase it at?

Thanks.

Ann Bell

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Carol, I think all the same as you mentioned. I live in Japan andminocycline powdered (Minomycin from Lederle) is the only one availablehere and I'm doing very well on it for rheumatoid arthritis. I've startedsmall AP groups here and several friends are experiencing improvementson the same drug. A few people who read AP mailing list or BB havebeen very anxious for our not having pelleted minocycline. Your commenton this will please our friends too much. I'll let them know yourstory on our mailing list. Thanks again for sharing your experience.Noriofrom JapanBob and Carol Zarn wrote:> Hi, I live in Canada and the time release minocin has not been available > to me so I have been taking the powder filled capsules by Lederle(orange > and blue) 100mg ever since jun98 and am now 90% in remission for DM as > well as MCTD with crest.> > Don't be too quick in saying that the powdered form does not work. It > works for some. At least the Lederle generic does.

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Hi Carol , I can only make judgments on what happens to me and I thought I was very clear that this was my persona experience . Powdered has NOT worked for a vast majority and why take that chance when major problems could develop in the waiting to see if the powdered works or doesn't work .In Canada there are other better solutions available rather then gambling with powdered minocin . I think you are in the vast minority . Again just sharing my opinion and my experience . Im sorry if you misunderstood my post . Delighted you have done so well . Warm regards, socjog rheumatic mino alone Hi Ann , Yes you can take minocycine alone but actually I think you should be on minocin . Minocin is the brand name to minocycline but minocin is timed released and works much better so see if you can get your dr to write you script for minocin and check in the box DAW ( dispense as written) or they will fill it with minocycline . BIG difference in effect between these 2 drugs . IMO from my experience minocycline powder does not work period . You do not need to do IVs and you do not need to take anything else but this is really only a decision between you and your dr and your disease and its activity as to how to start this therapy . Discuss the timed released version with your dr Hope this info helps warm regards, socjog To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

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Socjog, if I've understood correctly, we have always been told in this group that it is the brand name that is the most important about Minocin in determining its effectiveness. Your post could unnecessarily and I'm sure, unintentionally, upset people who can't get the pelletized form but who can get the brand name Minocin. From the posts I have read hear over the years, many people have had success with this form.

I'm curious as to what other better solutions we have here in Canada. Would you mind expanding on this?

Thanks,

(RA 25+ years, AP since Nov. 97)

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Hi Ann ,

Yes you can take minocycine alone but actually I think you should be on minocin . Minocin is the brand name to minocycline but minocin is timed released and works much better so see if you can get your dr to write you script for minocin and check i! n the box DAW ( dispense as written) or they will fill it with minocycline . BIG difference in effect between these 2 drugs . IMO from my experience minocycline powder does not work period . You do not need to do IVs and you do not need to take anything else but this is really only a decision between you and your dr and your disease and its activity as to how to start this therapy . Discuss the timed released version with your dr Hope this info helps warm regards,

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Hi , Im a bit confused by your question . The brand name minocin (brand) is pellet which is what I posted is best to take . Well I don't want to upset people but rather educate them that there are better choices then powdered minocycline ( generic) . Powdered minocycline did not work for me and many others . I personally do not feel this is worth the risk of waiting to see if in fact powdered would work when there are better choices . Waiting could cause its problems a risk I choose not to take . I'm just sharing my journey cause many may not be aware of these differences . If this is upsetting Im sorry but if it were not mentioned and someone suffered because of this well then I would feel really terrible . Doxy also makes a timed released version which would again work better then powdered minocin . Warm regards, socjog rheumatic mino alone Hi Ann , Yes you can take minocycine alone but actually I think you should be on minocin . Minocin is the brand name to minocycline but minocin is timed released and works much better so see if you can get your dr to write you script for minocin and check i! n the box DAW ( dispense as written) or they will fill it with minocycline . BIG difference in effect between these 2 drugs . IMO from my experience minocycline powder does not work period . You do not need to do IVs and you do not need to take anything else but this is really only a decision between you and your dr and your disease and its activity as to how to start this therapy . Discuss the timed released version with your dr Hope this info helps warm regards, socjog To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

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Socjog, I think the confusion may be that we have a different form of the brand name Minocin. In Canada, we have the brand name Minocin which is not in pelletized form. For many of us (as seen in the posts through the years), this brand name Minocin works well. I seem to remember that when this topic came up shortly after I joined the group, someone called the company to verify that the brand name Minocin in powdered form in the orange and blue capsules here in Canada, would work just as well as the pelletized version available in the States. Can some of the long-time members of the group who remember this help me out here? Also, isn't it true that if it's called Minocin, it is the brand name and that if it's called Minocycline, it could be the generic? Further to this, didn't Ethel tell us that there was one generic minocycline that works just as well? I wouldn't want to get all this wrong because, as Socjog points out, we are here to help each other to get the best results from this protocol. But I also want Canadians to realize that the form of Minocin available in Canada can work well too.

You stated in your first post that "In Canada there are other better solutions available rather then gambling with powdered minocin . " Would you please clarify this for those of us who are Canadians?

Socjog, I hope you don't mind my pursuing these points, but it is very important for Canadians to realize this protocol can work here in Canada with the Minocin that is available to us.

(RA 25+ years, AP since Nov. 97)

rheumatic mino alone

Hi Ann ,

Yes you can take minocycine alone but actually I think you should be on minocin . Minocin is the brand name to minocycline but minocin is timed released and works much better so see if you can get your dr to write you script for minocin and check i! n the box DAW ( dispense as written) or they will fill it with minocycline . BIG difference in effect between these 2 drugs . IMO from my experience minocycline powder does not work period . You do not need to do IVs and you do not need to take anything else but this is really only a decision between you and your dr and your disease and its activity as to how to start this therapy . Discuss the timed released version with your dr Hope this info helps warm regards,

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on 10/16/02 9:48 AM, Ken and , at kglg@..., wrote:

> Socjog, I think the confusion may be that we have a different form of the

> brand name Minocin. In Canada, we have the brand name Minocin which is not in

> pelletized form. For many of us (as seen in the posts through the years),

> this brand name Minocin works well.

, I'm in the US, but I clearly remember all the discussions you are

recalling, as I was just starting Lederle generic at the time. Several of us

compared our capsules one day, someone called Wyeth, they had just bought

out Lederle, and they said the active ingredient in their *powdered*

*name-brand* Minocin is the same as the pelleted Minocin available in the

US. Same active ingredient, although the capsule looks different. Many in

Canada have taken it with good results, even though it is powdered, not

pelleted.

> I seem to remember that when this topic

> came up shortly after I joined the group, someone called the company to verify

> that the brand name Minocin in powdered form in the orange and blue capsules

> here in Canada, would work just as well as the pelletized version available in

> the States. Can some of the long-time members of the group who remember this

> help me out here? Also, isn't it true that if it's called Minocin, it is the

> brand name and that if it's called Minocycline, it could be the generic?

Right: they can't call it Minocin if it isn't the real thing. Further, in

some parts of the world, the brand name is Minomycin, that is also the real

brand product, not a generic. could tell us more about this, I think

that's the brand name in Australia.

Please don't be concerned, I'm sure you have been taking the appropriate

medication, Socjog just wasn't familiar with the forms available outside the

US.

--

Jean

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Ken and ,

You are correct. The generic antibiotic is called minocycline, the

ESI-Lederle brand name is Minocin. Prior to September 2001, ESI-Lederle was

selling the same pelletized minocycline as a low-price generic and as

high-price Minocin. Even the appearance of the capsules was the same. In

September 2001, they discontinued sale of the generic, at least here in the

U.S.

Generic minocycline is manufactured by different companies, perhaps a

dozen, using different processes, with varying results for RA. It is my

impression that about half of the generics work and half do not -- so

problem is to know which generic falls in which category. It would be

helpful for as many members of this group as possible to report which

generics have worked for them for RA and which have not. Please ask your

druggist for the name of the manufacturer. It is my belief that pelletizing

does not make a difference per se.

Sincerely, Harald

At 10:48 AM 10/16/02 -0400, you wrote:

>Socjog, I think the confusion may be that we have a different form of the

>brand name Minocin. In Canada, we have the brand name Minocin which is

>not in pelletized form. For many of us (as seen in the posts through the

>years), this brand name Minocin works well. I seem to remember that when

>this topic came up shortly after I joined the group, someone called the

>company to verify that the brand name Minocin in powdered form in the

>orange and blue capsules here in Canada, would work just as well as the

>pelletized version available in the States. Can some of the long-time

>members of the group who remember this help me out here? Also, isn't it

>true that if it's called Minocin, it is the brand name and that if it's

>called Minocycline, it could be the generic? Further to this, didn't

>Ethel tell us that there was one generic minocycline that works just as

>well? I wouldn't want to get all this wrong because, as Socjog points

>out, we are here to help each other to get the best results from this

>protocol. But I also want Canadians to realize that the form of Minocin

>available in Canada can work well too.

>

>You stated in your first post that " In Canada there are other better

>solutions available rather then gambling with powdered minocin . " Would

>you please clarify this for those of us who are Canadians?

>

>Socjog, I hope you don't mind my pursuing these points, but it is very

>important for Canadians to realize this protocol can work here in Canada

>with the Minocin that is available to us.

>

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Thanks for the information you have provided to clarify things--and thanks

for your good memory!

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> on 10/16/02 9:48 AM, Ken and , at kglg@..., wrote:

>

> > Socjog, I think the confusion may be that we have a different form of

the

> > brand name Minocin. In Canada, we have the brand name Minocin which is

not in

> > pelletized form. For many of us (as seen in the posts through the

years),

> > this brand name Minocin works well.

>

> , I'm in the US, but I clearly remember all the discussions you are

> recalling, as I was just starting Lederle generic at the time. Several of

us

> compared our capsules one day, someone called Wyeth, they had just bought

> out Lederle, and they said the active ingredient in their *powdered*

> *name-brand* Minocin is the same as the pelleted Minocin available in the

> US. Same active ingredient, although the capsule looks different. Many in

> Canada have taken it with good results, even though it is powdered, not

> pelleted.

>

> > I seem to remember that when this topic

> > came up shortly after I joined the group, someone called the company to

verify

> > that the brand name Minocin in powdered form in the orange and blue

capsules

> > here in Canada, would work just as well as the pelletized version

available in

> > the States. Can some of the long-time members of the group who remember

this

> > help me out here? Also, isn't it true that if it's called Minocin, it

is the

> > brand name and that if it's called Minocycline, it could be the generic?

>

> Right: they can't call it Minocin if it isn't the real thing. Further, in

> some parts of the world, the brand name is Minomycin, that is also the

real

> brand product, not a generic. could tell us more about this, I think

> that's the brand name in Australia.

>

> Please don't be concerned, I'm sure you have been taking the appropriate

> medication, Socjog just wasn't familiar with the forms available outside

the

> US.

>

> --

> Jean

> jpro2@...

>

>

>

> To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

>

>

>

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People get confused about Minocin in Canada. In the past the name brand Lederle Minocin in canada was powdered, this is different than the powdered generic puchased in the US like Teva.

Now I hear Canada is and will be offering pelleted Minocin name brand. As they run out of powdered supply the pelleted will be available. Canada Goverment buys meds in bulk and not all choices are available like it is in the US. My understanding is the powdered lederle Minocin works pretty good compared to the cheap generic powdered, probably because of the fillers and quality control.

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Im a bit confused by your question . The brand name minocin (brand) is pellet which is what I posted is best to take . Well I don't want to upset people but rather educate them that there are better choices then powdered minocycline ( generic) . Powdered minocycline did not work for me and many others . I personally do not feel this is worth the risk of waiting to see if in fact powdered would work when there are better choices . Waiting could cause its problems a risk I choose not to take . I'm just sharing my journey cause many may not be aware of these differences . If this is upsetting Im sorry but if it were not mentioned and someone suffered because of this well then I would feel really terrible . Doxy also makes a timed released version which would again work better then powdered minocin . Warm regards,

socjog

rheumatic mino alone

Hi Ann ,

Yes you can take minocycine alone but actually I think you should be on minocin . Minocin is the brand name to minocycline but minocin is timed released and works much better so see if you can get your dr to write you script for minocin and check i! n the box DAW ( dispense as written) or they will fill it with minocycline . BIG difference in effect between these 2 drugs . IMO from my experience minocycline powder does not work period . You do not need to do IVs and you do not need to take anything else but this is really only a decision between you and your dr and your disease and its activity as to how to start this therapy . Discuss the timed released version with your dr Hope this info helps warm regards,

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Hi All,

This topic has come up before and if memory serves me (which thanks to AP it's been doing lately), the powdered Minocin you get in Canada has worked just as well as the pelleted we get in the states. a in Canada would know more about this. Hopefully she'll see this and dive in. I believe the generic you're talking about is Teva.

Regards,

Dee

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Hi Ann ,

Yes you can take minocycine alone but actually I think you should be on minocin . Minocin is the brand name to minocycline but minocin is timed released and works much better so see if you can get your dr to write you script for minocin and check i! n the box DAW ( dispense as written) or they will fill it with minocycline . BIG difference in effect between these 2 drugs . IMO from my experience minocycline powder does not work period . You do not need to do IVs and you do not need to take anything else but this is really only a decision between you and your dr and your disease and its activity as to how to start this therapy . Discuss the timed released version with your dr Hope this info helps warm regards,

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The generic powdered minocycline I was taking at first was from Canada.

I'm not sure which brand it was though but it did not work. We get

medicines down here in the Caymans from England, Canada & the U.S.

So I know there are some generics in Canada that don't work. Just

thought I would add this to get people to really pay attention to what

they are getting. Not all are the same.

Love,

Jeanette

wrote:

People

get confused about Minocin in Canada. In the past the name brand Lederle

Minocin in canada was powdered, this is different than the powdered generic

puchased in the US like Teva. Now

I hear Canada is and will be offering pelleted Minocin name brand. As they

run out of powdered supply the pelleted will be available. Canada Goverment

buys meds in bulk and not all choices are available like it is in the US.

My understanding is the powdered lederle Minocin works pretty good compared

to the cheap generic powdered, probably because of the fillers and quality

control.

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Hi Dee,

Okay, look out, here I come. :}

My understanding is that it is next to impossible to obtain Lederle

generic minocycline in Canada, however, if you buy the brand name

Minocin, which comes in a purple and orange capsule that says

" Wyeth-Ayerest " and Minocin on it, then you have the right stuff.

As an aside, I helped man our local AP support group's table at a recent

Arthritis Society conference in Calgary. I noticed a Wyeth-Ayerest

table there so I wandered over to have a look at their literature. They

put out a lovely brochure on arthritis, including a brief description of

the various treatments, highlighting, in the end, their new drug,

Enbrel. NO WHERE IN THIS BROCHURE DOES IT LIST MINOCIN AS A TREATMENT!

Not being known as a shrinking violet, I marched back to the table and

demanded to know from the rep why their own brochure does not list their

own medication, Minocin, as a valid treatment. The guy sputtered around

a bit while I then sweetly said " I know drug companies are in this for

the money and I knew Enbrel can make you a lot of money but Minocin

makes profits for you, too. In fact, the support groups I belong to

stress the need for brand name Minocin, not generic, so, in reality,

we're acting as reps for your company and really deserve a commission.

I'll waive mine in lieu of you listing YOUR OWN MEDICATION, MINOCIN, IN

YOUR OWN BROCHURE. " By this time, the guy was more or less conceding

defeat and admitted it was a bad oversight by Wyeth-Ayerest. I next

told everyone back at our support group table about what I'd found and

had done and they all proceeded to take turns hitting the guy up as

well. I'm sure he was hiding under his table by the end of the day.

Since then I've been thinking it might be a good idea for all of us to

contact Wyeth-Ayerest to voice our dismay at their failure to properly

promote Minocin as a valid rheumatic treatment. Just to make it easy,

I've found a toll free number: 1-800-934-5556. Be polite but be

persistent and maybe they'll reprint their brochure with the full story

in it. :}

Hugs

a

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a,

Way to go! Stick it to 'em! I salute your assertiveness in this

situation.

Mellanie

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Hi Dee,

Okay, look out, here I come. :}

My understanding is that it is next to impossible to obtain Lederle

generic minocycline in Canada, however, if you buy the brand name

Minocin, which comes in a purple and orange capsule that says

" Wyeth-Ayerest " and Minocin on it, then you have the right stuff.

As an aside, I helped man our local AP support group's table at a recent

Arthritis Society conference in Calgary. I noticed a Wyeth-Ayerest

table there so I wandered over to have a look at their literature. They

put out a lovely brochure on arthritis, including a brief description of

the various treatments, highlighting, in the end, their new drug,

Enbrel. NO WHERE IN THIS BROCHURE DOES IT LIST MINOCIN AS A TREATMENT!

Not being known as a shrinking violet, I marched back to the table and

demanded to know from the rep why their own brochure does not list their

own medication, Minocin, as a valid treatment. The guy sputtered around

a bit while I then sweetly said " I know drug companies are in this for

the money and I knew Enbrel can make you a lot of money but Minocin

makes profits for you, too. In fact, the support groups I belong to

stress the need for brand name Minocin, not generic, so, in reality,

we're acting as reps for your company and really deserve a commission.

I'll waive mine in lieu of you listing YOUR OWN MEDICATION, MINOCIN, IN

YOUR OWN BROCHURE. " By this time, the guy was more or less conceding

defeat and admitted it was a bad oversight by Wyeth-Ayerest. I next

told everyone back at our support group table about what I'd found and

had done and they all proceeded to take turns hitting the guy up as

well. I'm sure he was hiding under his table by the end of the day.

Since then I've been thinking it might be a good idea for all of us to

contact Wyeth-Ayerest to voice our dismay at their failure to properly

promote Minocin as a valid rheumatic treatment. Just to make it easy,

I've found a toll free number: 1-800-934-5556. Be polite but be

persistent and maybe they'll reprint their brochure with the full story

in it. :}

Hugs

a

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Hi

I do know you Canadians do have a different minocin and yes it is not

pelleted but perhaps it is made better than other generics and with

less fillers rendering it more effective.

It does promote confusion though.

Love]

Marge

> Socjog, I think the confusion may be that we have a different form

of the brand name Minocin. In Canada, we have the brand name Minocin

which is not in pelletized form. For many of us (as seen in the

posts through the years), this brand name Minocin works well. I seem

to remember that when this topic came up shortly after I joined the

group, someone called the company to verify that the brand name

Minocin in powdered form in the orange and blue capsules here in

Canada, would work just as well as the pelletized version available

in the States. Can some of the long-time members of the group who

remember this help me out here? Also, isn't it true that if it's

called Minocin, it is the brand name and that if it's called

Minocycline, it could be the generic? Further to this, didn't Ethel

tell us that there was one generic minocycline that works just as

well? I wouldn't want to get all this wrong because, as Socjog

points out, we are here to help each other to get the best results

from this protocol. But I also want Canadians to realize that the

form of Minocin available in Canada can work well too.

>

> You stated in your first post that " In Canada there are other

better solutions available rather then gambling with powdered

minocin . " Would you please clarify this for those of us who are

Canadians?

>

> Socjog, I hope you don't mind my pursuing these points, but it is

very important for Canadians to realize this protocol can work here

in Canada with the Minocin that is available to us.

>

>

> (RA 25+ years, AP since Nov. 97)

> rheumatic mino alone

>

>

> Hi Ann ,

> Yes you can take minocycine alone but actually I think

you should be on minocin . Minocin is the brand name to minocycline

but minocin is timed released and works much better so see if you can

get your dr to write you script for minocin and check i! n the box

DAW ( dispense as written) or they will fill it with minocycline .

BIG difference in effect between these 2 drugs . IMO from my

experience minocycline powder does not work period . You do not need

to do IVs and you do not need to take anything else but this is

really only a decision between you and your dr and your disease and

its activity as to how to start this therapy . Discuss the timed

released version with your dr Hope this info helps warm regards,

> socjog

>

>

>

>

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>

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a,

Good for you.Thats exactly the reason as they do manufacture the

drugs that cost a patient 1300 a month!

Even taking it 2x aday, I come no where near that!

It is a shame as their new biologics have a lot of flaws that are

known and more to come I am sure.> Ours..well been around a long

time.Safe secure.

Did you ever why so many docs take minocin.I know I knew of at least

5 that I had come in contact with.Just find that amusing

Love

Marge

> Hi Dee,

> Okay, look out, here I come. :}

>

> My understanding is that it is next to impossible to obtain Lederle

> generic minocycline in Canada, however, if you buy the brand name

> Minocin, which comes in a purple and orange capsule that says

> " Wyeth-Ayerest " and Minocin on it, then you have the right stuff.

>

> As an aside, I helped man our local AP support group's table at a

recent

> Arthritis Society conference in Calgary. I noticed a Wyeth-Ayerest

> table there so I wandered over to have a look at their literature.

They

> put out a lovely brochure on arthritis, including a brief

description of

> the various treatments, highlighting, in the end, their new drug,

> Enbrel. NO WHERE IN THIS BROCHURE DOES IT LIST MINOCIN AS A

TREATMENT!

> Not being known as a shrinking violet, I marched back to the table

and

> demanded to know from the rep why their own brochure does not list

their

> own medication, Minocin, as a valid treatment. The guy sputtered

around

> a bit while I then sweetly said " I know drug companies are in this

for

> the money and I knew Enbrel can make you a lot of money but Minocin

> makes profits for you, too. In fact, the support groups I belong to

> stress the need for brand name Minocin, not generic, so, in reality,

> we're acting as reps for your company and really deserve a

commission.

> I'll waive mine in lieu of you listing YOUR OWN MEDICATION,

MINOCIN, IN

> YOUR OWN BROCHURE. " By this time, the guy was more or less

conceding

> defeat and admitted it was a bad oversight by Wyeth-Ayerest. I next

> told everyone back at our support group table about what I'd found

and

> had done and they all proceeded to take turns hitting the guy up as

> well. I'm sure he was hiding under his table by the end of the

day.

> Since then I've been thinking it might be a good idea for all of us

to

> contact Wyeth-Ayerest to voice our dismay at their failure to

properly

> promote Minocin as a valid rheumatic treatment. Just to make it

easy,

> I've found a toll free number: 1-800-934-5556. Be polite but be

> persistent and maybe they'll reprint their brochure with the full

story

> in it. :}

> Hugs

> a

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Now I am confused. I get my Minocin, brand from Canada.

They are orange and purple capsuls and contain pellets.

????????

To my understanding Minocin is the brand, Minocycline generic

The chemical name of the Minocin is minocycline hydrocloride. Confused yet?

You are right, there was a generic Minocycline that was pelleted and was

equal to the brand. It was made by the same manufacturer (Lederle<ESI) THEy

disontinued that product a year ago and by now all our pharmacies are

running out of their stock of it. THat's why we have been scrambling to

figure out what to do instead.

Take care,

Ute

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.. Please ask your

> druggist for the name of the manufacturer. It is my belief that

pelletizing

> does not make a difference per se.

>

> Sincerely, Harald

>

Harald, you have a good idea here. I checked my Canadian Minocin capsule.

It is orange and blue and says " Lederle " and " Minocin 100 mg " on the capsule

itself. The contents are powdered. It is my experience that this version

has helped me greatly and my RA is severe and longstanding.

(RA 25+ years, AP since Nov. 97)

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Hi All,

When I first started with AP, the pharmacist filled my script with generic. It was Pellitized Minocycline, orange and blue capsules, approximately eighty dollars for sixty capsules. When I requested Minocin, as per this list, the pharmacist filled it with Minocin, pelletized, orange and blue capsules, exactly the same price. Exactly the same drug.

When I started AP, I started on too high a dose. I was taking 100mg, bid, six times per week PLUS Zithromax, 500mg three times per week. Way too much drug, even with twice daily acidophilus, it resulted in a major systemic yeast infection. After six months and several different variations, my current dosage is Minocin 100mg bid, three days per week. Zithromax 250 mg three days per week. There was a three month period when I took Minocin only, but my inflammatory markers and symptoms worsened. Adding Zithromax has turned things around. My markers and symptoms are still present, CRP still high, but not through the roof. Symptoms up and down depending on my activity, stress, diet etc.

Still life is much better than when on high doses of Prednisone, Methotrexate etc.

Kim Gallant, Canadian

DM, Ankylosing Spondylitis

Minocin 100 mg bid, three times per week

Zithromax 250 mg, three times per week

Prednisone 10 mg daily

Eltroxin 225 ug daily

Dessicated thyroid 120mg daily

LoEstrin 21 days per month

Vioxx 50 mg daily

Oxycontin 30 mg bid

Calcium/Magnesium/VitD supplement

Acidophilus

rheumatic mino alone

Hi Ann ,

Yes you can take minocycine alone but actually I think you should be on minocin . Minocin is the brand name to minocycline but minocin is timed released and works much better so see if you can get your dr to write you script for minocin and check i! n the box DAW ( dispense as written) or they will fill it with minocycline . BIG difference in effect between these 2 drugs . IMO from my experience minocycline powder does not work period . You do not need to do IVs and you do not need to take anything else but this is really only a decision between you and your dr and your disease and its activity as to how to start this therapy . Discuss the timed released version with your dr Hope this info helps warm regards,

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Hi Kim,

I've been on minocin for a little over two years now. I got my doctor

to prescribe zithromax for me once a week a few weeks ago to help give a

kick to my AP. I had wanted to get on clindamycin but he refused that

because he doesn't like it. I am glad to see others on zithromax too.

Keep us posted as to how you are doing on it. I think it is helping me

and giving a boost to the minocin. I wanted it more often but that's

all he would go. He's not an AP doc so I'm having to tell him what I

need.

However, I'm glad to say that AP is working after having had RA for 28

years. This third year is even better!

Keep tackeling that yeast problem. I know how hard it is as I struggle

with it too. Diet does help a lot. I stay away from sugar and carbs.

Jeanette, RA

Minocin & Zithromax

Kim Gallant wrote:

> Hi All, When I first started with AP, the pharmacist filled my script

> with generic. It was Pellitized Minocycline, orange and blue capsules,

> approximately eighty dollars for sixty capsules. When I requested

> Minocin, as per this list, the pharmacist filled it with Minocin,

> pelletized, orange and blue capsules, exactly the same price. Exactly

> the same drug. When I started AP, I started on too high a dose. I was

> taking 100mg, bid, six times per week PLUS Zithromax, 500mg three

> times per week. Way too much drug, even with twice daily acidophilus,

> it resulted in a major systemic yeast infection. After six months and

> several different variations, my current dosage is Minocin 100mg bid,

> three days per week. Zithromax 250 mg three days per week. There was a

> three month period when I took Minocin only, but my inflammatory

> markers and symptoms worsened. Adding Zithromax has turned things

> around. My markers and symptoms are still present, CRP still high, but

> not through the roof. Symptoms up and down depending on my activity,

> stress, diet etc. Still life is much better than when on high doses of

> Prednisone, Methotrexate etc. Kim Gallant, CanadianDM, Ankylosing

> Spondylitis

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a,

You go girl! Let me at that phone!

Dee

Re: rheumatic mino alone

> Hi Dee,

> Okay, look out, here I come. :}

>

> My understanding is that it is next to impossible to obtain Lederle

> generic minocycline in Canada, however, if you buy the brand name

> Minocin, which comes in a purple and orange capsule that says

> " Wyeth-Ayerest " and Minocin on it, then you have the right stuff.

>

> As an aside, I helped man our local AP support group's table at a recent

> Arthritis Society conference in Calgary. I noticed a Wyeth-Ayerest

> table there so I wandered over to have a look at their literature. They

> put out a lovely brochure on arthritis, including a brief description of

> the various treatments, highlighting, in the end, their new drug,

> Enbrel. NO WHERE IN THIS BROCHURE DOES IT LIST MINOCIN AS A TREATMENT!

> Not being known as a shrinking violet, I marched back to the table and

> demanded to know from the rep why their own brochure does not list their

> own medication, Minocin, as a valid treatment. The guy sputtered around

> a bit while I then sweetly said " I know drug companies are in this for

> the money and I knew Enbrel can make you a lot of money but Minocin

> makes profits for you, too. In fact, the support groups I belong to

> stress the need for brand name Minocin, not generic, so, in reality,

> we're acting as reps for your company and really deserve a commission.

> I'll waive mine in lieu of you listing YOUR OWN MEDICATION, MINOCIN, IN

> YOUR OWN BROCHURE. " By this time, the guy was more or less conceding

> defeat and admitted it was a bad oversight by Wyeth-Ayerest. I next

> told everyone back at our support group table about what I'd found and

> had done and they all proceeded to take turns hitting the guy up as

> well. I'm sure he was hiding under his table by the end of the day.

> Since then I've been thinking it might be a good idea for all of us to

> contact Wyeth-Ayerest to voice our dismay at their failure to properly

> promote Minocin as a valid rheumatic treatment. Just to make it easy,

> I've found a toll free number: 1-800-934-5556. Be polite but be

> persistent and maybe they'll reprint their brochure with the full story

> in it. :}

> Hugs

> a

>

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