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Caitlin, , and Katcha thanks so much for your responses. I asked my daughter if she is also sick of fair food and we came up with a plan before bed. We are taking the bigger cooler and loading it with ice and a huge variety of drinks. We are also packing a variety sandwiches.Part of my problem- the feelings analysis from Shrink yourself didn't happen until I had overdone it. I told myself that there was no time to reinterpret the events of the day/week that were working on me. I need to process them now so they don't get me next time. I have 6 graduate credits that I'm taking online and would rather reread the first half and finish "Shrink Yourself", but it's so hot and distracting as the cows walk by and poop on your feet! I miss my hubby and son because they are at boy scouts camp, I'm anxious about how my daughter will do/react to where she places in her events, and lastly I need to reinterpret her world... MANY of her classmates are hanging out together and she sits alone. I think this is the BIGGIE. I think that's why I'm eating. I probably need to talk/ask her about if this is how she wants it to be. I keep assuming she is being left out, but she is a loner. I think I need to ask her if I can help her feel more socially comfortable in anyway and then let it go. Yes. I am joining the other group today thanks for the invite! I am also going to put my homework out of my mind, or at least allow myself to revisit my shrink book today during breaks. Thanks sooooo much 4 responding. Today is a new and better day because I have reinterpreted and prioritized, planned ahead, and my tummy feels a little better. KnoblochSent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. CellularFrom: "Katcha" Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 05:40:58 -0000To: <IntuitiveEating_Support >Subject: Re: Please help me , I sense your pain and discomfort, but am sad to say that the only real help you probably every will get is from within yourself? Its heck that you have this locked within you and while we can suggest how to 'dig', you will have to be the one using the 'shovel' ;-) Have you looked into the Foods & Feelings Workbook? And I thought you had gotten some good insights from Shrink Yourself too? Beyond that, I would say that events like this fair where 'treats' that you do NOT find otherwise are more than likely to 'trigger' one. Some people have found help by anticipating - PRE thinking/visualizing/scenario-izing such events with what you WANT to do in mind so that you then have a better chance of following thru with such actions. When its after-the-fact, its much harder because all you then can do is 1) suffer the stomach ache 2) NOT beat yourself up over it and 3) remind yourself that this is a learning experience and you can choose to do differently in the future. Good luck, Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > Oh my God! My daughter got a horse 3 months ago and is showing I for 4H at the county fair. It started Tuesday and lasts through Saturday . With a horse stalled there we have to arrive at 6 am and don't leave until LATE. (10 or 11 PM). It's 90-100 degrees here, and though I've packed some food and drinks, they just can't make it through the days cold. Anyway, the problem. I' ve eaten so much in the last 4 days that my tummy is huge, I feel sick to my stomach, have heartburn and feel like throwing up. > > I am fighting the urge desperately to write everything down and count calories. I had TWO blooming onions-one yesterday and one today (deep fried with ranch dressing, then I went to the baking contest and sampled every soup and pie and colache. After that I chugged two bottles of water and two diet pops. I also ate a hamburger each day, hostess snacks, 3 cream filled donuts, 64 ounces chocolate milk (over two days). > > I guess the blooming onion thing was because the only time I can have them is fair time, but I've even bought the onion slicer thingy to make them myself, but they're never as good. > > All day yesterday and today people kept telling me how great I look (-I'm down 15 pounds and maintaining it) so I'm not feeling guilty about my eating. Maybe the nutritionist is sneaking in to tell me how unhealthy my food choices have been, but most of all, I just feel SICK to my STOMACH. > > I haven't found any one who truly understands why I do this... A friend of mine told me to research bulemia because many bulemics do NOT purge. I jois want to understand why I do this to me, and maybe then I can stop it. I definitely have not deprived myself for MANY YEARS, as I said before that I didn't care what I weighed until my mom tried to pretend I was the fattest female in out family. > > By the way - the bloomin onions were $7.00 each and the first two days of the fair I refused to pay that for one... Maybe that figures into my binge somehow? > > $14 and two days later, I feel sicker than a dog... Even after the nap I just took between paragraph 5 and 6. > > Please help. I'am so tired of doing this to myself... > Knobloch > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. Cellular >

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I have Geneen's book you mentioned. I'm such a slow reader- I'll also pack it today. Your analysis is right on. Thanks again! KnoblochSent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. CellularFrom: "caitlin97209" Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:13:40 -0000To: <IntuitiveEating_Support >Subject: Re: Please help me , what I'm getting from your post is that there might be a number of conflicting issues getting all mixed together for you. Maybe boredom/discomfort (you're at the fair all day, it's hot), you're dealing with " last supper " eating ( " I need to eat this now 'cause I don't know when I'll get it again " ), some level of struggle with feeling that you're worth spending $7 on for some fair food (you are) and the need to " prove " that by spending the money, a struggle with real or perceived " boundary violations " (i.e., " the nutritionist would tell me these choices are BAD, but I'm going to eat them anyway because no one can tell me what to do! " ), and finally, anesthetizing your feelings by really overfilling your stomach with food to the point of discomfort. Have you read any Geneen Roth? I HIGHLY recommend " Feeding the Hungry Heart. " Really great book on Emotional Eating.... As Katcha said, you are the one who ultimately has to figure out what " resonates " with you and where the issues leading to the out-of-controlness might be; no one will have YOUR best answer for you. And from my own experience, you'll know when you've touched your truth around the " why's " of your eating when you experience an " Ah-Ha! " moment of clarity--and in my experience, it will bring up all sorts of feelings, which is how you'll know you've identified the issue. I invite you to notice what and how you're eating and how it's making you feel, physically AND emotionally--without judgment! Remind yourself that it's all just information leading to enhanced self-knowledge. And that's key. I have been IE'ing for a long, long time, but I don't expect myself to work a " perfect program. " For me, it's PROGRESS, not perfection. I've been on these boards for at least 3 years, maybe more.... This is a good place to share, learn, and explore. Easy does it! ~Caitlin, MFA, CPC > > Oh my God! My daughter got a horse 3 months ago and is showing I for 4H at the county fair. It started Tuesday and lasts through Saturday . With a horse stalled there we have to arrive at 6 am and don't leave until LATE. (10 or 11 PM). It's 90-100 degrees here, and though I've packed some food and drinks, they just can't make it through the days cold. Anyway, the problem. I' ve eaten so much in the last 4 days that my tummy is huge, I feel sick to my stomach, have heartburn and feel like throwing up. > > I am fighting the urge desperately to write everything down and count calories. I had TWO blooming onions-one yesterday and one today (deep fried with ranch dressing, then I went to the baking contest and sampled every soup and pie and colache. After that I chugged two bottles of water and two diet pops. I also ate a hamburger each day, hostess snacks, 3 cream filled donuts, 64 ounces chocolate milk (over two days). > > I guess the blooming onion thing was because the only time I can have them is fair time, but I've even bought the onion slicer thingy to make them myself, but they're never as good. > > All day yesterday and today people kept telling me how great I look (-I'm down 15 pounds and maintaining it) so I'm not feeling guilty about my eating. Maybe the nutritionist is sneaking in to tell me how unhealthy my food choices have been, but most of all, I just feel SICK to my STOMACH. > > I haven't found any one who truly understands why I do this... A friend of mine told me to research bulemia because many bulemics do NOT purge. I jois want to understand why I do this to me, and maybe then I can stop it. I definitely have not deprived myself for MANY YEARS, as I said before that I didn't care what I weighed until my mom tried to pretend I was the fattest female in out family. > > By the way - the bloomin onions were $7.00 each and the first two days of the fair I refused to pay that for one... Maybe that figures into my binge somehow? > > $14 and two days later, I feel sicker than a dog... Even after the nap I just took between paragraph 5 and 6. > > Please help. I'am so tired of doing this to myself... > Knobloch > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. Cellular >

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I have read When Food is Love. I guess I don't have the one you mentioned... I have Breaking Free from Emotional eating. Is this a newer/ version of the one you recommend? It runs in my mind that someone on here said that - so I just bought this one because they sounded so similar... Or have I totally lost it? Thanks! KnoblochSent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. CellularFrom: "caitlin97209" Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:13:40 -0000To: <IntuitiveEating_Support >Subject: Re: Please help me , what I'm getting from your post is that there might be a number of conflicting issues getting all mixed together for you. Maybe boredom/discomfort (you're at the fair all day, it's hot), you're dealing with " last supper " eating ( " I need to eat this now 'cause I don't know when I'll get it again " ), some level of struggle with feeling that you're worth spending $7 on for some fair food (you are) and the need to " prove " that by spending the money, a struggle with real or perceived " boundary violations " (i.e., " the nutritionist would tell me these choices are BAD, but I'm going to eat them anyway because no one can tell me what to do! " ), and finally, anesthetizing your feelings by really overfilling your stomach with food to the point of discomfort. Have you read any Geneen Roth? I HIGHLY recommend " Feeding the Hungry Heart. " Really great book on Emotional Eating.... As Katcha said, you are the one who ultimately has to figure out what " resonates " with you and where the issues leading to the out-of-controlness might be; no one will have YOUR best answer for you. And from my own experience, you'll know when you've touched your truth around the " why's " of your eating when you experience an " Ah-Ha! " moment of clarity--and in my experience, it will bring up all sorts of feelings, which is how you'll know you've identified the issue. I invite you to notice what and how you're eating and how it's making you feel, physically AND emotionally--without judgment! Remind yourself that it's all just information leading to enhanced self-knowledge. And that's key. I have been IE'ing for a long, long time, but I don't expect myself to work a " perfect program. " For me, it's PROGRESS, not perfection. I've been on these boards for at least 3 years, maybe more.... This is a good place to share, learn, and explore. Easy does it! ~Caitlin, MFA, CPC > > Oh my God! My daughter got a horse 3 months ago and is showing I for 4H at the county fair. It started Tuesday and lasts through Saturday . With a horse stalled there we have to arrive at 6 am and don't leave until LATE. (10 or 11 PM). It's 90-100 degrees here, and though I've packed some food and drinks, they just can't make it through the days cold. Anyway, the problem. I' ve eaten so much in the last 4 days that my tummy is huge, I feel sick to my stomach, have heartburn and feel like throwing up. > > I am fighting the urge desperately to write everything down and count calories. I had TWO blooming onions-one yesterday and one today (deep fried with ranch dressing, then I went to the baking contest and sampled every soup and pie and colache. After that I chugged two bottles of water and two diet pops. I also ate a hamburger each day, hostess snacks, 3 cream filled donuts, 64 ounces chocolate milk (over two days). > > I guess the blooming onion thing was because the only time I can have them is fair time, but I've even bought the onion slicer thingy to make them myself, but they're never as good. > > All day yesterday and today people kept telling me how great I look (-I'm down 15 pounds and maintaining it) so I'm not feeling guilty about my eating. Maybe the nutritionist is sneaking in to tell me how unhealthy my food choices have been, but most of all, I just feel SICK to my STOMACH. > > I haven't found any one who truly understands why I do this... A friend of mine told me to research bulemia because many bulemics do NOT purge. I jois want to understand why I do this to me, and maybe then I can stop it. I definitely have not deprived myself for MANY YEARS, as I said before that I didn't care what I weighed until my mom tried to pretend I was the fattest female in out family. > > By the way - the bloomin onions were $7.00 each and the first two days of the fair I refused to pay that for one... Maybe that figures into my binge somehow? > > $14 and two days later, I feel sicker than a dog... Even after the nap I just took between paragraph 5 and 6. > > Please help. I'am so tired of doing this to myself... > Knobloch > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. Cellular >

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Hi, . I'm a slow reader, too. I have a million books sitting around ... CindiSubject: Re: Re: Please help meTo: "Eating Intuitive" <IntuitiveEating_Support >Date: Saturday, June 27, 2009, 9:23 AM

I have Geneen's book you mentioned. I'm such a slow reader- I'll also pack it today. Your analysis is right on. Thanks again! KnoblochSent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. CellularFrom: "caitlin97209" Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:13:40 -0000To: <IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.com>Subject: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Please help me , what I'm getting from your post is that there might be a number of conflicting issues getting all mixed together for you. Maybe boredom/discomfort (you're at the fair all day, it's hot), you're dealing with "last supper"eating ("I need to eat this now 'cause I don't know when I'll get it again"), some level of struggle with feeling that you're worth spending $7 on for some fair food (you are) and

the need to "prove" that by spending the money, a struggle with real or perceived "boundary violations" (i.e., "the nutritionist would tell me these choices are BAD, but I'm going to eat them anyway because no one can tell me what to do!"), and finally, anesthetizing your feelings by really overfilling your stomach with food to the point of discomfort. Have you read any Geneen Roth? I HIGHLY recommend "Feeding the Hungry Heart." Really great book on Emotional Eating.... As Katcha said, you are the one who ultimately has to figure out what "resonates" with you and where the issues leading to the out-of-controlness might be; no one will have YOUR best answer for you. And from my own experience, you'll know when you've touched your truth around the "why's" of your eating when you experience an "Ah-Ha!" moment of clarity--and in my experience, it will bring up all sorts of feelings, which is how you'll know you've identified the issue.

I invite you to notice what and how you're eating and how it's making you feel, physically AND emotionally- -without judgment! Remind yourself that it's all just information leading to enhanced self-knowledge. And that's key. I have been IE'ing for a long, long time, but I don't expect myself to work a "perfect program." For me, it's PROGRESS, not perfection. I've been on these boards for at least 3 years, maybe more.... This is a good place to share, learn, and explore. Easy does it! ~Caitlin, MFA, CPC > > Oh my God! My daughter got a horse 3 months ago and is showing I for 4H at the county fair. It started Tuesday and lasts through Saturday . With a horse stalled there we have to arrive at 6 am and don't leave until LATE. (10 or 11 PM). It's 90-100 degrees here, and though I've packed some food and drinks, they just can't make it through the days cold. Anyway, the problem. I' ve eaten so much in the last 4 days that my tummy is huge, I feel sick to my stomach, have heartburn and feel like throwing up. > > I am fighting the urge desperately to write everything down and count calories. I had TWO blooming onions-one yesterday and one today (deep fried with ranch dressing, then I went to the baking contest and sampled every soup and pie and colache. After that I chugged two bottles of water and two diet pops. I also ate a hamburger each day, hostess snacks, 3 cream filled donuts, 64 ounces chocolate milk (over two days). > > I guess the blooming onion thing was because the only time I can have them is fair time, but I've even bought the onion slicer thingy

to make them myself, but they're never as good. > > All day yesterday and today people kept telling me how great I look (-I'm down 15 pounds and maintaining it) so I'm not feeling guilty about my eating. Maybe the nutritionist is sneaking in to tell me how unhealthy my food choices have been, but most of all, I just feel SICK to my STOMACH. > > I haven't found any one who truly understands why I do this... A friend of mine told me to research bulemia because many bulemics do NOT purge. I jois want to understand why I do this to me, and maybe then I can stop it. I definitely have not deprived myself for MANY YEARS, as I said before that I didn't care what I weighed until my mom tried to pretend I was the fattest female in out family. > > By the way - the bloomin onions were $7.00 each and the first two days of the fair I refused to pay that for one... Maybe that figures into my binge somehow? >

> $14 and two days later, I feel sicker than a dog... Even after the nap I just took between paragraph 5 and 6. > > Please help. I'am so tired of doing this to myself... > Knobloch > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. Cellular >

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I can relate to that, too. Some years ago I lost a lot of weight, began looking good (in men's eyes) and some friend of ours commented to me that I really need to be careful now ... that I need to watch out for men. I thought what? I didn't answer him because I was young and dumb. That comment alone pushed me to go back to "eating." I couldn't tolerate the stupid thought, thinking that's all it took to attract a man. And I was (and still am) married. CindiSubject: Re: Please help meTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Saturday, June 27, 2009, 11:30 AM

Jenneil,

Those exact topics are discussed very throughly in the book When Women (People) Stop Hating Their Bodies. Its not at all twisted nor uncommon a reaction it would seem ;-)

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

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> I will mention here that when people compliment me on how great I look (Like they did you )- after I've lost weight- and after attention from men, It usually creates a binge. Same thing when I weigh myself and see that I've lost a bunch of weight. Twisted, huh? I think it poses some kind of risk for me- I feel a bit vulnerable. I can't totally explain it. I want the attention, yet, I definitely don't. If others relate, please share your experience.

> Jenneil

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I think Geneen Roth discusses self sabotage, but I hadn't realize that was what I DID!What I said was I was 'tempted' to count calories. I didn't though! I resisted! I did write down what I ate though but today I'm going to try thinking about what emotion has hold of me and what has lead to it. Then I'll try to use the split second to reinterpret if I can. If it doesn't work I will permit myself and forgive. How's that sound? KnoblochSent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. CellularFrom: "jenneilyo" Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:06:18 -0000To: <IntuitiveEating_Support >Subject: Re: Please help me Hey , Before I forget, you mentioned " writing everything down and counting calories " . Why? This reminds me of Weight Watchers. And, both of these set me right back into diet mentality. Secondly, I too, have felt a powerful urge to overeat since yesterday afternoon- and I have put it off by breathing and telling myself " I'm going to be okay " . I know the food is not going to help when the problem is emotional. I woke this morning- and there again, wanted to dig into a pint of ice cream. After I write this, I'm going to journal what this could be about. It feels like anxiety- and I'm going to hone in on when the cravings to overeat began. I hope to find something there. I suggest you slow down, and write for awhile to see what comes up. I will mention here that when people compliment me on how great I look (Like they did you )- after I've lost weight- and after attention from men, It usually creates a binge. Same thing when I weigh myself and see that I've lost a bunch of weight. Twisted, huh? I think it poses some kind of risk for me- I feel a bit vulnerable. I can't totally explain it. I want the attention, yet, I definitely don't. If others relate, please share your experience. Lastly, I know you're in pain, but heck, put me in a fair with those waffles and forget it! I say this to cut yourself a break. You're at a fair and all those yummy foods to try and taste. You're human. And, you will slow down. Jenneil > > > > Oh my God! My daughter got a horse 3 months ago and is showing I for 4H at the county fair. It started Tuesday and lasts through Saturday . With a horse stalled there we have to arrive at 6 am and don't leave until LATE. (10 or 11 PM). It's 90-100 degrees here, and though I've packed some food and drinks, they just can't make it through the days cold. Anyway, the problem. I' ve eaten so much in the last 4 days that my tummy is huge, I feel sick to my stomach, have heartburn and feel like throwing up. > > > > I am fighting the urge desperately to write everything down and count calories. I had TWO blooming onions-one yesterday and one today (deep fried with ranch dressing, then I went to the baking contest and sampled every soup and pie and colache. After that I chugged two bottles of water and two diet pops. I also ate a hamburger each day, hostess snacks, 3 cream filled donuts, 64 ounces chocolate milk (over two days). > > > > I guess the blooming onion thing was because the only time I can have them is fair time, but I've even bought the onion slicer thingy to make them myself, but they're never as good. > > > > All day yesterday and today people kept telling me how great I look (-I'm down 15 pounds and maintaining it) so I'm not feeling guilty about my eating. Maybe the nutritionist is sneaking in to tell me how unhealthy my food choices have been, but most of all, I just feel SICK to my STOMACH. > > > > I haven't found any one who truly understands why I do this... A friend of mine told me to research bulemia because many bulemics do NOT purge. I jois want to understand why I do this to me, and maybe then I can stop it. I definitely have not deprived myself for MANY YEARS, as I said before that I didn't care what I weighed until my mom tried to pretend I was the fattest female in out family. > > > > By the way - the bloomin onions were $7.00 each and the first two days of the fair I refused to pay that for one... Maybe that figures into my binge somehow? > > > > $14 and two days later, I feel sicker than a dog... Even after the nap I just took between paragraph 5 and 6. > > > > Please help. I'am so tired of doing this to myself... > > Knobloch > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. Cellular > > >

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Hi ,

As someone who used to show horses in the midwest, I can understand the long hot days. I also found it highly stressful and I was always nervous before enter the show ring. I'm just wondering (although your daughter is the one showing) if maybe some feelings are there too?

I give you a lot of credit for recognizing what you ate and that you were not comfortable with the choices at the fair and coming up with a plan to bring more of your own food items. I would encourage you to be gentle with yourself as fairs usually have a limited selection of foods we might prefer to eat.

Good luck to your daughter - I hope she does well in the show ring!

Marcia

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I think Geneen Roth discusses self sabotage, but I hadn't realize that was what I DID!What I said was I was 'tempted' to count calories. I didn't though! I resisted! I did write down what I ate though but today I'm going to try thinking about what emotion has hold of me and what has lead to it. Then I'll try to use the split second to reinterpret if I can. If it doesn't work I will permit myself and forgive. How's that sound? KnoblochSent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. Cellular

From: "jenneilyo" Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:06:18 -0000To: <IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.com>Subject: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Please help me

Hey ,Before I forget, you mentioned "writing everything down and counting calories". Why? This reminds me of Weight Watchers. And, both of these set me right back into diet mentality. Secondly, I too, have felt a powerful urge to overeat since yesterday afternoon- and I have put it off by breathing and telling myself "I'm going to be okay". I know the food is not going to help when the problem is emotional. I woke this morning- and there again, wanted to dig into a pint of ice cream. After I write this, I'm going to journal what this could be about. It feels like anxiety- and I'm going to hone in on when the cravings to overeat began. I hope to find something there. I suggest you slow down, and write for awhile to see what comes up. I will mention here that when people compliment me on how great I look (Like they did you )- after I've lost weight- and after attention from men, It usually creates a binge. Same

thing when I weigh myself and see that I've lost a bunch of weight. Twisted, huh? I think it poses some kind of risk for me- I feel a bit vulnerable. I can't totally explain it. I want the attention, yet, I definitely don't. If others relate, please share your experience.Lastly, I know you're in pain, but heck, put me in a fair with those waffles and forget it! I say this to cut yourself a break. You're at a fair and all those yummy foods to try and taste. You're human. And, you will slow down. Jenneil> >> > Oh my God! My daughter got a horse 3 months ago and is showing I for 4H at the county fair. It started Tuesday and lasts through Saturday . With a horse stalled there we have to arrive at 6 am and don't leave until LATE. (10 or 11 PM). It's 90-100 degrees here, and though I've packed some food and drinks, they just can't make it through the days cold. Anyway, the problem. I' ve eaten so much in the last 4 days that my tummy is huge, I feel sick to my stomach, have heartburn and feel like throwing up. > > > > I am fighting the urge desperately to write everything down and count calories. I had TWO blooming onions-one yesterday and one today (deep fried

with ranch dressing, then I went to the baking contest and sampled every soup and pie and colache. After that I chugged two bottles of water and two diet pops. I also ate a hamburger each day, hostess snacks, 3 cream filled donuts, 64 ounces chocolate milk (over two days). > > > > I guess the blooming onion thing was because the only time I can have them is fair time, but I've even bought the onion slicer thingy to make them myself, but they're never as good. > > > > All day yesterday and today people kept telling me how great I look (-I'm down 15 pounds and maintaining it) so I'm not feeling guilty about my eating. Maybe the nutritionist is sneaking in to tell me how unhealthy my food choices have been, but most of all, I just feel SICK to my STOMACH.> > > > I haven't found any one who truly understands why I do this... A friend of mine told me to research bulemia because many bulemics do NOT

purge. I jois want to understand why I do this to me, and maybe then I can stop it. I definitely have not deprived myself for MANY YEARS, as I said before that I didn't care what I weighed until my mom tried to pretend I was the fattest female in out family.> > > > By the way - the bloomin onions were $7.00 each and the first two days of the fair I refused to pay that for one... Maybe that figures into my binge somehow? > > > > $14 and two days later, I feel sicker than a dog... Even after the nap I just took between paragraph 5 and 6.> > > > Please help. I'am so tired of doing this to myself... > > Knobloch> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. Cellular> >>

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YES! That's where I read it! Thanks again! KnoblochSent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. CellularFrom: "Katcha" Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:30:10 -0000To: <IntuitiveEating_Support >Subject: Re: Please help me Jenneil, Those exact topics are discussed very throughly in the book When Women (People) Stop Hating Their Bodies. Its not at all twisted nor uncommon a reaction it would seem ;-) Katcha IEing since March 2007 > > I will mention here that when people compliment me on how great I look (Like they did you )- after I've lost weight- and after attention from men, It usually creates a binge. Same thing when I weigh myself and see that I've lost a bunch of weight. Twisted, huh? I think it poses some kind of risk for me- I feel a bit vulnerable. I can't totally explain it. I want the attention, yet, I definitely don't. If others relate, please share your experience. > Jenneil

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She's had her Grace for only 3 months and she just earned fourth place in poles- there are about 15 kids in her 4H class! Today IS a much better day! KnoblochSent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. CellularFrom: marcia sutton Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:09:36 -0700 (PDT)To: <IntuitiveEating_Support >Subject: Re: Re: Please help me Hi , As someone who used to show horses in the midwest, I can understand the long hot days. I also found it highly stressful and I was always nervous before enter the show ring. I'm just wondering (although your daughter is the one showing) if maybe some feelings are there too? I give you a lot of credit for recognizing what you ate and that you were not comfortable with the choices at the fair and coming up with a plan to bring more of your own food items. I would encourage you to be gentle with yourself as fairs usually have a limited selection of foods we might prefer to eat. Good luck to your daughter - I hope she does well in the show ring! Marcia From: <iteachbkk>Subject: Re: Re: Please help meTo: "Eating Intuitive" <IntuitiveEating_Support >Date: Saturday, June 27, 2009, 10:05 AMI think Geneen Roth discusses self sabotage, but I hadn't realize that was what I DID!What I said was I was 'tempted' to count calories. I didn't though! I resisted! I did write down what I ate though but today I'm going to try thinking about what emotion has hold of me and what has lead to it. Then I'll try to use the split second to reinterpret if I can. If it doesn't work I will permit myself and forgive. How's that sound? KnoblochSent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. CellularFrom: "jenneilyo" Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:06:18 -0000To: <IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.com>Subject: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Please help meHey ,Before I forget, you mentioned "writing everything down and counting calories". Why? This reminds me of Weight Watchers. And, both of these set me right back into diet mentality. Secondly, I too, have felt a powerful urge to overeat since yesterday afternoon- and I have put it off by breathing and telling myself "I'm going to be okay". I know the food is not going to help when the problem is emotional. I woke this morning- and there again, wanted to dig into a pint of ice cream. After I write this, I'm going to journal what this could be about. It feels like anxiety- and I'm going to hone in on when the cravings to overeat began. I hope to find something there. I suggest you slow down, and write for awhile to see what comes up. I will mention here that when people compliment me on how great I look (Like they did you )- after I've lost weight- and after attention from men, It usually creates a binge. Same thing when I weigh myself and see that I've lost a bunch of weight. Twisted, huh? I think it poses some kind of risk for me- I feel a bit vulnerable. I can't totally explain it. I want the attention, yet, I definitely don't. If others relate, please share your experience.Lastly, I know you're in pain, but heck, put me in a fair with those waffles and forget it! I say this to cut yourself a break. You're at a fair and all those yummy foods to try and taste. You're human. And, you will slow down. Jenneil> >> > Oh my God! My daughter got a horse 3 months ago and is showing I for 4H at the county fair. It started Tuesday and lasts through Saturday . With a horse stalled there we have to arrive at 6 am and don't leave until LATE. (10 or 11 PM). It's 90-100 degrees here, and though I've packed some food and drinks, they just can't make it through the days cold. Anyway, the problem. I' ve eaten so much in the last 4 days that my tummy is huge, I feel sick to my stomach, have heartburn and feel like throwing up. > > > > I am fighting the urge desperately to write everything down and count calories. I had TWO blooming onions-one yesterday and one today (deep fried with ranch dressing, then I went to the baking contest and sampled every soup and pie and colache. After that I chugged two bottles of water and two diet pops. I also ate a hamburger each day, hostess snacks, 3 cream filled donuts, 64 ounces chocolate milk (over two days). > > > > I guess the blooming onion thing was because the only time I can have them is fair time, but I've even bought the onion slicer thingy to make them myself, but they're never as good. > > > > All day yesterday and today people kept telling me how great I look (-I'm down 15 pounds and maintaining it) so I'm not feeling guilty about my eating. Maybe the nutritionist is sneaking in to tell me how unhealthy my food choices have been, but most of all, I just feel SICK to my STOMACH.> > > > I haven't found any one who truly understands why I do this... A friend of mine told me to research bulemia because many bulemics do NOT purge. I jois want to understand why I do this to me, and maybe then I can stop it. I definitely have not deprived myself for MANY YEARS, as I said before that I didn't care what I weighed until my mom tried to pretend I was the fattest female in out family.> > > > By the way - the bloomin onions were $7.00 each and the first two days of the fair I refused to pay that for one... Maybe that figures into my binge somehow? > > > > $14 and two days later, I feel sicker than a dog... Even after the nap I just took between paragraph 5 and 6.> > > > Please help. I'am so tired of doing this to myself... > > Knobloch> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. Cellular> >>

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I'd like to know something about "self sabotage." What does it mean? If you sabotage an enemy is usually means you willfully and consciously foil the efforts of that person to succeed, right? But "self sabotage" seems kind of difficult to do because most of us don't do this consciously, if we do it at all to hurt ourselves. If we did not self-sabotage, we'd be just about perfect. I think. In other words, I think it is a human frailty to go against our own best interests sometimes. Cindi

From: <iteachbkkyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: Re: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Please help meTo: "Eating Intuitive" <IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.com>Date: Saturday, June 27, 2009, 10:05 AM

I think Geneen Roth discusses self sabotage, but I hadn't realize that was what I DID!What I said was I was 'tempted' to count calories. I didn't though! I resisted! I did write down what I ate though but today I'm going to try thinking about what emotion has hold of me and what has lead to it. Then I'll try to use the split second to reinterpret if I can. If it doesn't work I will permit myself and forgive. How's that sound? KnoblochSent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. Cellular

From: "jenneilyo" Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:06:18 -0000To: <IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.com>Subject: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Please help me

Hey ,Before I forget, you mentioned "writing everything down and counting calories". Why? This reminds me of Weight Watchers. And, both of these set me right back into diet mentality. Secondly, I too, have felt a powerful urge to overeat since yesterday afternoon- and I have put it off by breathing and telling myself "I'm going to be okay". I know the food is not going to help when the problem is emotional. I woke this morning- and there again, wanted to dig into a pint of ice cream. After I write this, I'm going to journal what this could be about. It feels like anxiety- and I'm going to hone in on when the cravings to overeat began. I hope to find something there. I suggest you slow down, and write for awhile to see what comes up. I will mention here that when people compliment me on how great I look (Like they did you )- after I've lost weight- and after attention from men, It usually creates a binge. Same

thing when I weigh myself and see that I've lost a bunch of weight. Twisted, huh? I think it poses some kind of risk for me- I feel a bit vulnerable. I can't totally explain it. I want the attention, yet, I definitely don't. If others relate, please share your experience.Lastly, I know you're in pain, but heck, put me in a fair with those waffles and forget it! I say this to cut yourself a break. You're at a fair and all those yummy foods to try and taste. You're human. And, you will slow down. Jenneil> >> > Oh my God! My daughter got a horse 3 months ago and is showing I for 4H at the county fair. It started Tuesday and lasts through Saturday . With a horse stalled there we have to arrive at 6 am and don't leave until LATE. (10 or 11 PM). It's 90-100 degrees here, and though I've packed some food and drinks, they just can't make it through the days cold. Anyway, the problem. I' ve eaten so much in the last 4 days that my tummy is huge, I feel sick to my stomach, have heartburn and feel like throwing up. > > > > I am fighting the urge desperately to write everything down and count calories. I had TWO blooming onions-one yesterday and one today (deep fried

with ranch dressing, then I went to the baking contest and sampled every soup and pie and colache. After that I chugged two bottles of water and two diet pops. I also ate a hamburger each day, hostess snacks, 3 cream filled donuts, 64 ounces chocolate milk (over two days). > > > > I guess the blooming onion thing was because the only time I can have them is fair time, but I've even bought the onion slicer thingy to make them myself, but they're never as good. > > > > All day yesterday and today people kept telling me how great I look (-I'm down 15 pounds and maintaining it) so I'm not feeling guilty about my eating. Maybe the nutritionist is sneaking in to tell me how unhealthy my food choices have been, but most of all, I just feel SICK to my STOMACH.> > > > I haven't found any one who truly understands why I do this... A friend of mine told me to research bulemia because many bulemics do NOT

purge. I jois want to understand why I do this to me, and maybe then I can stop it. I definitely have not deprived myself for MANY YEARS, as I said before that I didn't care what I weighed until my mom tried to pretend I was the fattest female in out family.> > > > By the way - the bloomin onions were $7.00 each and the first two days of the fair I refused to pay that for one... Maybe that figures into my binge somehow? > > > > $14 and two days later, I feel sicker than a dog... Even after the nap I just took between paragraph 5 and 6.> > > > Please help. I'am so tired of doing this to myself... > > Knobloch> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. Cellular> >>

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I think most self sabotage is subconscious.Subject: Re: Re: Please help meTo: "Eating Intuitive" <IntuitiveEating_Support >Date: Saturday, June 27, 2009, 2:31 PM

YES! That's where I read it! Thanks again! KnoblochSent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. CellularFrom: "Katcha" Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:30:10 -0000To: <IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.com>Subject: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Please help me Jenneil, Those exact topics are discussed very throughly in the book When Women (People) Stop Hating Their Bodies. Its not at all twisted nor uncommon a reaction it would seem ;-) Katcha IEing since March 2007 >

> I will mention here that when people compliment me on how great I look (Like they did you )- after I've lost weight- and after attention from men, It usually creates a binge. Same thing when I weigh myself and see that I've lost a bunch of weight. Twisted, huh? I think it poses some kind of risk for me- I feel a bit vulnerable. I can't totally explain it. I want the attention, yet, I definitely don't. If others relate, please share your experience. > Jenneil

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I think 4 me it might go back to the old diet mentality. "I look good and don't need to diet 'restrict' anymore and the memories of restriction kick in. I seem to forget that I ALWAYS have permission to eat the fair food type stuff - greasy. I forget that I just don't really enjoy it or the way it makes me feel.ORIf you follow Geneen Roth, she says that we diet as a way to distract ourselves from the real issues in our lives.... SO then when we near our goal weight, we sabotage ourselves to protect ourselves from the real issues. "When Food is Love" is where I think I read this.? Anyone remember? I have sooo many books here! KnoblochSent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. CellularFrom: Cindi Waters Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:32:48 -0700 (PDT)To: <IntuitiveEating_Support >Subject: Re: Re: Please help me I'd like to know something about "self sabotage." What does it mean? If you sabotage an enemy is usually means you willfully and consciously foil the efforts of that person to succeed, right? But "self sabotage" seems kind of difficult to do because most of us don't do this consciously, if we do it at all to hurt ourselves. If we did not self-sabotage, we'd be just about perfect. I think. In other words, I think it is a human frailty to go against our own best interests sometimes. CindiFrom: <iteachbkkyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: Re: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Please help meTo: "Eating Intuitive" <IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.com>Date: Saturday, June 27, 2009, 10:05 AMI think Geneen Roth discusses self sabotage, but I hadn't realize that was what I DID!What I said was I was 'tempted' to count calories. I didn't though! I resisted! I did write down what I ate though but today I'm going to try thinking about what emotion has hold of me and what has lead to it. Then I'll try to use the split second to reinterpret if I can. If it doesn't work I will permit myself and forgive. How's that sound? KnoblochSent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. CellularFrom: "jenneilyo" Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:06:18 -0000To: <IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.com>Subject: [intuitiveEating_ Support] Re: Please help meHey ,Before I forget, you mentioned "writing everything down and counting calories". Why? This reminds me of Weight Watchers. And, both of these set me right back into diet mentality. Secondly, I too, have felt a powerful urge to overeat since yesterday afternoon- and I have put it off by breathing and telling myself "I'm going to be okay". I know the food is not going to help when the problem is emotional. I woke this morning- and there again, wanted to dig into a pint of ice cream. After I write this, I'm going to journal what this could be about. It feels like anxiety- and I'm going to hone in on when the cravings to overeat began. I hope to find something there. I suggest you slow down, and write for awhile to see what comes up. I will mention here that when people compliment me on how great I look (Like they did you )- after I've lost weight- and after attention from men, It usually creates a binge. Same thing when I weigh myself and see that I've lost a bunch of weight. Twisted, huh? I think it poses some kind of risk for me- I feel a bit vulnerable. I can't totally explain it. I want the attention, yet, I definitely don't. If others relate, please share your experience.Lastly, I know you're in pain, but heck, put me in a fair with those waffles and forget it! I say this to cut yourself a break. You're at a fair and all those yummy foods to try and taste. You're human. And, you will slow down. Jenneil> >> > Oh my God! My daughter got a horse 3 months ago and is showing I for 4H at the county fair. It started Tuesday and lasts through Saturday . With a horse stalled there we have to arrive at 6 am and don't leave until LATE. (10 or 11 PM). It's 90-100 degrees here, and though I've packed some food and drinks, they just can't make it through the days cold. Anyway, the problem. I' ve eaten so much in the last 4 days that my tummy is huge, I feel sick to my stomach, have heartburn and feel like throwing up. > > > > I am fighting the urge desperately to write everything down and count calories. I had TWO blooming onions-one yesterday and one today (deep fried with ranch dressing, then I went to the baking contest and sampled every soup and pie and colache. After that I chugged two bottles of water and two diet pops. I also ate a hamburger each day, hostess snacks, 3 cream filled donuts, 64 ounces chocolate milk (over two days). > > > > I guess the blooming onion thing was because the only time I can have them is fair time, but I've even bought the onion slicer thingy to make them myself, but they're never as good. > > > > All day yesterday and today people kept telling me how great I look (-I'm down 15 pounds and maintaining it) so I'm not feeling guilty about my eating. Maybe the nutritionist is sneaking in to tell me how unhealthy my food choices have been, but most of all, I just feel SICK to my STOMACH.> > > > I haven't found any one who truly understands why I do this... A friend of mine told me to research bulemia because many bulemics do NOT purge. I jois want to understand why I do this to me, and maybe then I can stop it. I definitely have not deprived myself for MANY YEARS, as I said before that I didn't care what I weighed until my mom tried to pretend I was the fattest female in out family.> > > > By the way - the bloomin onions were $7.00 each and the first two days of the fair I refused to pay that for one... Maybe that figures into my binge somehow? > > > > $14 and two days later, I feel sicker than a dog... Even after the nap I just took between paragraph 5 and 6.> > > > Please help. I'am so tired of doing this to myself... > > Knobloch> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. Cellular> >>

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I'm glad you're feeling a bit better today, sorry I don't have any sage advice for you as I do the " oh my god I only get this once a year so I'm gonig to eat lots of it " thing too!  And also congrats to your daughter, it's a big achievement

 

Re: the caution about mentioning weight loss here .... I agree that it's not the focus of IE (or I should say main focus as I haven't picked up an IE book yet that doesnt at least MENTION it!), and that it's a huge trigger for many of us. Sometimes I do read some " testimonial " about losing weight with IE and it brings up old thoughts of failure or " doing it wrong " because I haven't ... BUT... on the other hand, shared some very real struggles that I think all of us have, that we DO think about losing/gaining weight as we go along our IE journey and personally, I think it would be a real shame to " ban " any talk of weight issues. 

 

What is more important IMO is that we don't make weight loss into a main focus of our efforts or fall into those old diet traps of congratulating each other or handing out " tips " to succeed at weight loss.  So far I think we've been very successful as an IE support group ... if it is an issue for some of our members, maybe we can agree to put " weight mentioned " in the subject line or something...

 

Mikki

 

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