no appetite

[Guest guest]

I am hypoT and lately haven't been very hungry. I mean hardly any

appetite esp. in the evening. I haven't lost any weight, so I'm sure

its the hypo thing going on here. I also have had elevated cortisol

in the past, as well as DHEAS, tested via saliva. I also have low

progesterone (saliva).

What would make me not have an appetite?

(Of course, I always wonder if adrenals are involved here...since I

have been having pain in middle of back. NOTE: Which I notice was

more painful during a back message)

[Guest guest]

I'm finally getting back to where I don't have a huge appetite, and

have now lost 9 or 10 lbs. This has been since Oct 1, so I'm really

enjoying it. I do know that I've cut down on my evening meals for the

most part because I'm still full from lunch. Some nights I just have a

grilled chicken sandwich on wheat bread/dry and a glass of milk, then

pass out on the couch watching tv. Before thyroid issues, I was able

to eat very little at night and stay at a good weight, so this is like

getting back to where I used to be. The only thing I've changed is

eathing at night, and moving up to 3 1/2 grains of armour, so I think

it's a combination of both. :-)

SandyE~Houston

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:43:50 -0000

" mycatmiller " wrote:

>

> I am hypoT and lately haven't been very hungry. I mean hardly any

> appetite esp. in the evening. I haven't lost any weight, so I'm

>sure

> its the hypo thing going on here. I also have had elevated cortisol

> in the past, as well as DHEAS, tested via saliva. I also have low

> progesterone (saliva).

>

> What would make me not have an appetite?

>

> (Of course, I always wonder if adrenals are involved here...since I

> have been having pain in middle of back. NOTE: Which I notice was

> more painful during a back message)

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/26/2004 8:44:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,

marin@... writes:

> I think

> it just depends on which areas of the body are most affected in different

> people

I agree with this totally. My digestive system was profoundly affected by

years of untreated hypo. I was also one who did not have an appetite (my

husband would call home to remind me to eat) and I was always on the thin side.

That's probably one reason the docs never listened to my thyroid complaints. I

only gained about 10 lbs. during the worst of the hypo.

Healing in the digestive area has been slow...and is ongoing. I sometimes

wonder about leaky gut and malaborption as everything goes thru me in record

time. I hope that over time I will see more healing in the digestive area - but

at least the constant pain is gone.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/26/2004 9:07:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,

joaniedolan@... writes:

> Thank

> goodness she is willing to drink Boost or Ensure - which is better than

> nothing.....

I drank Boost for years and years because I knew I didn't eat properly. Even

since being diagnosed...and still not having a good appetite...I keep

SlimFast here to drink during midmorning just to get some calories and

nutrients.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/26/2004 9:37:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,

joaniedolan@... writes:

> I compared the ingredients with Slim Fast and

> they are actually very similar. I think she likes Slim Fast better.

>

I actually like it better too...and I believe it's a lot less expensive than

Boost or Ensure. It really helps me to drink one mid-morning...boosts my

energy levels a bit when I just don't feel like eating a mid-morning snack.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

Not having an appetite in hypo would mean that the digestion is very very

slow, so slow, in fact, that it's taking forever for your nervous system to

get the message from the gastric area that the stomach is empty. I think

that people's different areas of the body are affected differently, from

person to person. I still have a tendency to craze carbs, whether hypo or

normal (whatever that is!), yet I am an easily constipated person. I think

it just depends on which areas of the body are most affected in different

people. My stomach seems to empty out fast, yet, from the intestines on

downward, it takes forEVER for me to get rid of the waste products of food.

no appetite

>

>

> I am hypoT and lately haven't been very hungry. I mean hardly any

> appetite esp. in the evening. I haven't lost any weight, so I'm sure

> its the hypo thing going on here. I also have had elevated cortisol

> in the past, as well as DHEAS, tested via saliva. I also have low

> progesterone (saliva).

>

> What would make me not have an appetite?

>

> (Of course, I always wonder if adrenals are involved here...since I

> have been having pain in middle of back. NOTE: Which I notice was

> more painful during a back message)

[Guest guest]

,

any suggestions what to do when the stomach doesn't empty as fast as it should?

I eat my main meal at 6pm and I am still burping (and getting the taste of what

I have eaten) when I go to bed around 10.30 to 11.00pm

Lynda (in the UK)

Re: no appetite

Not having an appetite in hypo would mean that the digestion is very very

slow, so slow, in fact, that it's taking forever for your nervous system to

get the message from the gastric area that the stomach is empty.

[Guest guest]

- I have wondered about this, too. My mother went from 180 lbs to

140-145 two years ago when she was very ill. Since then she eats very

little but was maintaining her weight. The endo added Cytomel to

Synthroid and she has lost 9 lbs in 2 months. That would mean, I think,

that her metabolism has speeded up, but she still has no appetite. Thank

goodness she is willing to drink Boost or Ensure - which is better than

nothing..... joan

====

Not having an appetite in hypo would mean that the digestion is very very

slow, so slow, in fact, that it's taking forever for your nervous system to

get the message from the gastric area that the stomach is empty. I think

that people's different areas of the body are affected differently, from

person to person. I still have a tendency to craze carbs, whether hypo or

normal (whatever that is!), yet I am an easily constipated person. I think

it just depends on which areas of the body are most affected in different

people. My stomach seems to empty out fast, yet, from the intestines on

downward, it takes forEVER for me to get rid of the waste products of food.

no appetite

>

> I am hypoT and lately haven't been very hungry. I mean hardly any

> appetite esp. in the evening.

[Guest guest]

Funny you mention Slim Fast Mom drank Slim Fast for years for breakfast

and lunch because she did not have an appetite and it was convenient.

I continue the Boost or Ensure because that's what they gave her in the

hospital and nursing home. I compared the ingredients with Slim Fast and

they are actually very similar. I think she likes Slim Fast better.

.... joan

I drank Boost for years and years because I knew I didn't eat properly.

Even

since being diagnosed...and still not having a good appetite...I keep

SlimFast here to drink during midmorning just to get some calories and

nutrients.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

Bosst, slim fast and ensure are all soy

>

>Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>Subject: Re: no appetite

>Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:33:51 -0500

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/26/2004 2:19:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,

MamaMaha@... writes:

>

> Bosst, slim fast and ensure are all soy

>

so when I was trying to stay alive drinking Boost before diagnosis, I was

making things worse? Yikes.

But i just went and looked at the Slim Fast can. One ingredient is " soybean

letithin " ...ummmm....can anybody tell me more about this?

Cindi

[Guest guest]

I crave carbs too & am hungry most of the time so have to watch it & drink water

or tea instead. I used to be constipated, then strated taking cascara sagrada

one capsule per day. That did for me. Then I found out that wasn't a good idea

either. So I switched to oat bran & have been doing that ever since with great

results. Plus yoga abdominal exercise, tao circular hand movements on the

intestinal area, eating mostly vegetarian foods & occasionally, when needed if

I'm getting really sick intestinally (usually from antibiotics), taking Primal

Defense for a month or so. The red meat especially, I've found, constipates me

more than anything else. Such foods as rice & bananas will do it too. I use

those & sometimes ONLY those when I'm got diarrhea..usually, again, from

antibiotics. Taking probiotics every day helps greatly as well. Gotta keep those

bowels healthy & cleaned out or else we run the risk of a bunch of dis-eases

including colon cancer. Don't want that.

C

Re: no appetite

Not having an appetite in hypo would mean that the digestion is very very

slow, so slow, in fact, that it's taking forever for your nervous system to

get the message from the gastric area that the stomach is empty. I think

that people's different areas of the body are affected differently, from

person to person. I still have a tendency to craze carbs, whether hypo or

normal (whatever that is!), yet I am an easily constipated person. I think

it just depends on which areas of the body are most affected in different

people. My stomach seems to empty out fast, yet, from the intestines on

downward, it takes forEVER for me to get rid of the waste products of food.

[Guest guest]

Is Slim Fast made from a milk product? Or Boost or Ensure? I take green powders

to add nutrients & mix into coconut milk or almond milk with other stuff in it

like oat bran, Udo's oils & such. I also take a basic liquid vitamin, mineral,

amino acid formulal 2-3x daily & a liquid calcium-

magnesium, phosphorous, vitamin D formula at bedtime, plus numerous other herbal

& nutritional capsules, gels caps & pills.

C

Re: no appetite

In a message dated 10/26/2004 9:37:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,

joaniedolan@... writes:

> I compared the ingredients with Slim Fast and

> they are actually very similar. I think she likes Slim Fast better.

>

I actually like it better too...and I believe it's a lot less expensive than

Boost or Ensure. It really helps me to drink one mid-morning...boosts my

energy levels a bit when I just don't feel like eating a mid-morning snack.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

well that shoots those down. I'll never buy them. thanx for the info.

C

Re: no appetite

Bosst, slim fast and ensure are all soy

[Guest guest]

Hmmm...may Oregon daughter said she completely lost her appetite for a while &

lost a lot of weight. That's about the same time she went on Prozac as I recall.

Could be there's a connection there? She's eating again now tho.

C

Re: no appetite

What's weird is that in Aug I had to leave work early because I felt

sick to my stomach and since then I am very rarely hungry. So I'm

eating a little even if I'm not hungry. When my Dr had me on prozac

and b/c and I felt sick to my stomach she said to eat smaller meals.

Louise

PS Yeah I know I should get it chcked but every now and then I am

hungry. Otherwise I feel fine. The tests they may do scare me.

[Guest guest]

Prozac can be used to treat anorexia or it can cause it - go figure - never

caused it in me - I always gained weight when I took any anti-depressant.

Zoloft caused me to crave carbs like a heroin addict - gained 30 lb in three

months.

Jen R.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/27/2004 12:34:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,

marin@... writes:

>

> Aaaaaaaa, Cindi, the soy lecithin in that. I was drinking that stuff on and

> off also, on a regular basis. Everyone is saying that the soy lecitin does

> affect the hormones.

>

I want yall to know that I AM NOT HAPPY about this disturbing news about my

SlimFast.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/27/2004 1:47:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Gipsi_Moon@... writes:

> I'm sorry Cindi...Try to think of it as " pretty far from natural " Are

> there any comparable Healthier drinks that you can buy from a health

> food store? How about a Juice Bar near you?...or buy a VitaMix (used off

> of eBay) & get nutty with your own inventions?

>

lol. yes..i knew that. i just didn't want to accept that because it was so

EASY to stick a straw in a Slim Fast. But okay. pout. I'll check out

nutritional drinks, etc. at the organic market that is sorta near me. Or start

making my own. sigh.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/27/2004 1:47:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Gipsi_Moon@... writes:

>

> Bless your heart!

>

when we southerners say this...it means " that poor girl " ..as in " bless her

heart, she's such a tramp. " lol.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

I just think it's undertreated hypo. When that is corrected, then the

digestion moves much faster. It's all part of the metabolic correction, and

when it's too slow, so is the metabolic rate. The same thing was happening

to me, except I was still tasting and burping food that I'd eaten the night

before! Now that's slow! It is not the case now, but I do still have

digestive problems in the lower intestines, for what cause I don't know. I

think that, instead of eating 3 larger meals a day, eating around 6 or 7

mini meals helps a lot with that. At a time that the digestive tract just

can't handle a lot at one time, it's best to make the meals small and more

close together. That way, it just doesn't have that much to handle at once.

I also think it's a good way to eat for the rest of one's life, even after

hypo and other issues are corrected. I don't think that we were meant to

eat 3 big meals a day anyway, and the blood sugar and insulin remain more

stable that way, instead of huge peaks and falls all day, then a big fast

over night, which, the next morning, can create something like a

hypoglycemic state. To my knowledge, I'm not diabetic, but I could almost

swear that there are insulin problems (no real proof of this), because if I

go without eating for more than 3 hrs, my whole body feels fried. Then,

when I rise from bed, after an 8 hr fast, I'm brain dead. So, therefore, I

had started implementing the mini meals more than 4 or 5 yrs ago, even while

I was extremely hypo.

Re: no appetite

>

> ,

> any suggestions what to do when the stomach doesn't empty as fast as it

should?

> I eat my main meal at 6pm and I am still burping (and getting the taste of

what I have eaten) when I go to bed around 10.30 to 11.00pm

> Lynda (in the UK)

[Guest guest]

I never was more than 20 lbs overweight, as I am now, and my weight would go

up and down from where I am now downward, then back up, so I was never taken

seriously either, as far as the so called stereotype that people seem to

have in mind for severely hypo people who feel bad. Whether there's a lot

of weight or not, isn't it, it's mainly where the weight goes. I didn't get

this anywhere in particular, but I've got the feeling that the adrenals, or

the lack of cortisol, could also be responsible for appetite loss, as well

as anything. Big surges of cortisol for yrs, putting it around the waist,

then suddenly the things tucker out, and the fat is STILL around the waist,

plus now appetite loss, to boot now.

Re: no appetite

>

> In a message dated 10/26/2004 8:44:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> marin@... writes:

>

> > I think

> > it just depends on which areas of the body are most affected in

different

> > people

>

> I agree with this totally. My digestive system was profoundly affected by

> years of untreated hypo. I was also one who did not have an appetite (my

> husband would call home to remind me to eat) and I was always on the thin

side.

> That's probably one reason the docs never listened to my thyroid

complaints. I

> only gained about 10 lbs. during the worst of the hypo.

>

> Healing in the digestive area has been slow...and is ongoing. I sometimes

> wonder about leaky gut and malaborption as everything goes thru me in

record

> time. I hope that over time I will see more healing in the digestive

area - but

> at least the constant pain is gone.

> Cindi

[Guest guest]

Aaaaaaaa, Cindi, the soy lecithin in that. I was drinking that stuff on and

off also, on a regular basis. Everyone is saying that the soy lecitin does

affect the hormones.

Re: no appetite

>

> In a message dated 10/26/2004 9:07:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> joaniedolan@... writes:

>

> > Thank

> > goodness she is willing to drink Boost or Ensure - which is better than

> > nothing.....

>

> I drank Boost for years and years because I knew I didn't eat properly.

Even

> since being diagnosed...and still not having a good appetite...I keep

> SlimFast here to drink during midmorning just to get some calories and

nutrients.

> Cindi

[Guest guest]

This is exactly why I don't think I'm lacking ANY serotonin at all. All of

them always made me gain weight and have constant cravings for food. All

but the Wellbutrin, and it didn't kill a normal appetite or make me lose

weight, it just didn't cause me crave things or lose or gain weight, any of

these. This was one reason why I thought I did better on it than any of

them. All but this one also constipated me so badly, that I was in trouble

with that " end " of it on every single one of them. It's different in the

sense that it does increase dopamine, which also helps some very addictive

cravings, but I would never say that it helped me to quit smoking. I think

that there is no magic bullet for that, you've got to want it so badly that

it outweighs all the withdrawals.

Re: no appetite

>

> Prozac can be used to treat anorexia or it can cause it - go figure -

never

> caused it in me - I always gained weight when I took any anti-depressant.

> Zoloft caused me to crave carbs like a heroin addict - gained 30 lb in

three

> months.

>

> Jen R.

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for the reply. I don't think large meals are the problem for me. I

eat a very, very small amount at each meal, probably not enough to cover your

hand. I have always been like this, I find it physically impossible to eat a

large meal. If we eat at a restaurant dh always finishes what I leave.

I also think there is an insulin connection. I am negative for diabetes but,

like you, I have to eat every three hours and I have a terrible thirst all the

time.

Lynda

Re: no appetite

I just think it's undertreated hypo. When that is corrected, then the

digestion moves much faster. It's all part of the metabolic correction, and

when it's too slow, so is the metabolic rate. The same thing was happening

to me, except I was still tasting and burping food that I'd eaten the night

before! Now that's slow!

[Guest guest]

There's much to be said for eating several times a day instead of the usual 3x &

bigger meals which isn't good to do, you bet. Even drinking a nutritional drink

or smoothie in between meals is another method of ingesting food/nutrition

between the other 3 smaller meals.

Generally I drink a tall smoothie with l/2 a banana in it for the potassium I

need in the morning. That's my breakfast as it has oat bran in it also for fiber

& wheat grass & /or spirulina powder in it for all the nutrition & high protein.

My daughter, who's perfectly healthy & is studying body physiology/anatomy to be

a personal trainer, sticks to & advises at least 6 small meals a day. She & her

husband are both on it, she makes sure he is too. They both do weight training &

work out every day too in their home gym.

She drinks the smoothies 'tween meals & /or eats a power bar with whey in it. I

can't do the whey as I'm lactose intolerant & the hi protein power bars have too

much other junk in them if you ask me. I also don't like the way they taste.

So I make double the amount (about 16 ounces) of the high protein smoothie in

the morning, drink l/3 of it for breakfast & save the other two thirds for

between meals. It's a meal in itself & curbs my sugar cravings a whole lot &

keeps my weight down & normal.

I eat small meals, mostly vegetables & fruits off & on during the day with some

nuts & the other most nutritional stuff I can eat mostly salads.

My daughter says the best ratio when eating any meal is very high protein, very

low carbs & a bit less fats or oils.

We need the carbs for brain function so can't do without those entirely. We need

the fats too for other best health & functions.

Getting the protein is problem for me so I get mine from tuna & chicken mostly

plus take extra amino acids/protein in green powders or nutritional formulas

with my meals or in between.

Free form amino acids should be taken on an empty stomach tho. Taking them at

night before bedtime on an empty stomach will help keep the weight off too as

they work while we're sleeping for that.

The book about the Zone diet talks about all this too. And that the high

protein/several meals a day will go a long way to balance & stabilize the

hormones. I know it helps me a lot & when I go off of it I notice the difference

right away.

Blessings,

Caroline

Re: no appetite

I just think it's undertreated hypo. When that is corrected, then the

digestion moves much faster. It's all part of the metabolic correction, and

when it's too slow, so is the metabolic rate. The same thing was happening

to me, except I was still tasting and burping food that I'd eaten the night

before! Now that's slow! It is not the case now, but I do still have

digestive problems in the lower intestines, for what cause I don't know. I

think that, instead of eating 3 larger meals a day, eating around 6 or 7

mini meals helps a lot with that. At a time that the digestive tract just

can't handle a lot at one time, it's best to make the meals small and more

close together. That way, it just doesn't have that much to handle at once.

I also think it's a good way to eat for the rest of one's life, even after

hypo and other issues are corrected. I don't think that we were meant to

eat 3 big meals a day anyway, and the blood sugar and insulin remain more

stable that way, instead of huge peaks and falls all day, then a big fast

over night, which, the next morning, can create something like a

hypoglycemic state. To my knowledge, I'm not diabetic, but I could almost

swear that there are insulin problems (no real proof of this), because if I

go without eating for more than 3 hrs, my whole body feels fried. Then,

when I rise from bed, after an 8 hr fast, I'm brain dead. So, therefore, I

had started implementing the mini meals more than 4 or 5 yrs ago, even while

I was extremely hypo.