RE: Re: Hello, new member here

[Guest guest]

Now my system is the same, I can handle the rice, it is not a starch it is a

grain. Where starches from wheat, or corn, even pasta cause major problems

not necessarily with my sugars. They give me major gas and bloating problems

if I eat a lot of them. I try to have only a couple of starches a day

yesterday was just a bad day for me depression wise, and when I am

depressed, I just grab what is easy. My cookies by the way are made with

splenda and that is why they are homemade not store bought except for the

brown sugar in them. I haven't found a way to substitute that yet. I make

bread with Splenda too, and I don't have the same problems as with store

bought.

Milk and milk products don't have much of an effect on my sugar levels, but

I can't tolerate more then a couple 12 oz glasses in a day if that. So any

other suggestions would be appreciated.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

I have IBS and the metformin made it worse so that is out of the question.

I haven't gained weight I just can't lose it.

_____

> I am trying to lose about 75 pounds and can't seem to lose even a pound.

Both insulin and glipizide are apt to cause weight gain. Talk to your doctor

and see if you could switch to metformin, which sometimes helps with weight

loss.

What kind of a diet are you on? It's possible that with fewer carbs you

wouldn't need the insulin.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

When we have dehydrated fruits we make our own. Bananas seem to raise their

levels even without the honey.

_____

,

The problem with banana chips is that most are coated in honey, thus raising

the carb

count even higher than they already are in their natural form. If this is

possibly the case

(another 'oops, need to read the labels better!' case) you might try

unsweetened ones and

see if you fair any better. Also, be sure to pay close attention to serving

sizes. A serving of

dried fruit is much, much smaller (both in volume and in weight) than fresh.

SulaBlue

[Guest guest]

Far be it from me to contradict what you've been told by Kaiser -- but

I'm going to anyway. They're simply wrong.

Please read " Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solutions " by K.

Bernstein, M.D. Check out his website.

http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/index.shtml

And when you've done that, check out the below URL for an article titled

" What They Don't Tell You About Diabetes "

http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u/

And remember this, Kathy --

Your. Meter. Is. Your. Best. Friend.

If you ignore high BGs, Kaiser isn't going to suffer.

You will.

Take care,

Vicki

RE: Re: Hello, new member here

>I was told that I need to eat the carbs to maintain the sugar. I was

>also told, by a Kaiser Diabetic case nurse that Atkins is the worst

>thing for a diabetic. So now I am really confused.

>

> Kathy

____

>

> So, you've probably got some fairly high blood sugar numbers there. A

> lot of us (not all) find that a low-carb diet is the main tool in the

> fight against diabetes. That would be meat, eggs, cheese, fish, green

> veggies, a few berries or a little bit of melon. No cookies, bananas,

> rice, corn, ice cream or popcorn. Sorry about that. There are some

> low-carb (lc) products, like lc ice cream, and lc sweets that you

> could

> eat sparingly, but I'd suggest you do some studying. I took a look at

> several different low-carb eating styles when I was first diagnosed

> (dx'd), and settled on Atkins to start with. I suggest you try one of

> them for about 90 days and see if you don't observe some improvement

> in

> your blood sugar and with some of the other health problems you've

> reported. It works for quite a few people, and it could help you,

> too.

> It's tough to give up favorite foods, but the overall improvement in

> health is usually worth it (not always, of course).

>

> CarolR

[Guest guest]

Kathy: most barbeque sauces are full of sugar. Look at the nutrition

labels on everything & find the part that says " total Carbohydrate "

then look at the serving size & that is the number of carbs per serving

size of whatever you are eating.

Keep in mind that a low carb plan is generally under 50 carbs per DAY &

a moderate plan is between 50 & 125 per DAY.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 5/05 A1c: 5.3 = 111 mean glu

50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin

ALA/EPO, B12, ALC, Vit C, Cac/mag,

low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 20 mg/coQ10 100mg, Enalapril 10 mg

5/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309)

5' tall /age 67,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

Kathy; fruit IS a carby food!

Many diabetics can't eat it at all without a very great rise in their

bg's. Some can after they get their bg's under tight control.

If your family does not like those good veggies then just make them for

yourself.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 5/05 A1c: 5.3 = 111 mean glu

50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin

ALA/EPO, B12, ALC, Vit C, Cac/mag,

low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 20 mg/coQ10 100mg, Enalapril 10 mg

5/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309)

5' tall /age 67,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

<I was told that I need to eat the carbs to maintain the sugar. I was

also told, by a Kaiser Diabetic case nurse that Atkins is the worst

thing for a diabetic. So now I am really confused.>

Oh God another " diabetic " educator spreading the ADA gospel of the evils

of low carb & leading another diabetic lamb to the slaughter of high

carb eating.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 5/05 A1c: 5.3 = 111 mean glu

50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin

ALA/EPO, B12, ALC, Vit C, Cac/mag,

low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 20 mg/coQ10 100mg, Enalapril 10 mg

5/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309)

5' tall /age 67,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

Nope fruit with cream is not better--you need to eat a protein for

breakfast--eggs or meat or cheese or peanut butter. Fruit is a high

carby food--it is full of natural sugar which can raise your blood sugar

just as much as table sugar can.

Home made cookies may be using Splenda to replace the sugar but what are

you using to replace the flour in the cookies? Flour & cornstarch are

pure starch which turns to sugar in your mouth as soon as saliva hits

it.

Dehydrated fruit is fruit (high carbs) minus the water which just

concentrates all that natural sugar into a smaller

dryer form.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 5/05 A1c: 5.3 = 111 mean glu

50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin

ALA/EPO, B12, ALC, Vit C, Cac/mag,

low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 20 mg/coQ10 100mg, Enalapril 10 mg

5/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309)

5' tall /age 67,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

Thank you all.

I am reading the web site for Bernstein right now.

Even anti-depression meds won’t help if my husband won’t take the meds he

has now. I thought about getting him to try St. ’s wart for now, and

when we go to the doctor next, hopefully next week sometime, I am going to

mention this to him and see if he can’t get him on something. My husband

has had a problem with “falling asleep” when it is convenient for him, which

is doctor offices, warm places and driving. Our old doctor thought it was

his thermostat; I now believe it is depression causing it. He is always in

his own world. He does well at work but when he comes home he doesn’t seem

to care. I can’t take care of the horses and everything else around here by

myself.

We have been married for 21 ½ years now and he married me with me having 5

children. We have since taken on a nephew that has fetal alcohol syndrome,

we have had him since 1992 and he has now 13 and very much a troubled child.

I get no help with him and he treats me like crap. I sometimes feel like

walking out of the whole thing. I have fought suicidal thoughts all my life

and it isn’t suicide I think about, it is just leaving so don’t worry about

that, but it doesn’t help. I want so much to like myself and with everything

on my plate healthwise, I just can’t handle the other problems very often.

I just needed to let you all know more of my situation. I so want to do

better, but it feels like the better I get the more I have to deal with so I

just let it go and don’t care any more. It is a horrible cycle that I am in

and not sure how to get it to stop.

Since I have never really been in the working world ( for more than a year),

When I get out I feel like I am just out of high school, and I am 45. I have

troubles adjusting to not being home. I know if I got a job, I would be

able to afford the foods I am suppose to eat, I would be able to have extra

money each month, but it scares me to death to more or less start over.

Thanks, for listening,

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Dances With Eagles wrote:

> I was told that I need to eat the carbs to maintain the sugar. I was

> also told, by a Kaiser Diabetic case nurse that Atkins is the worst

> thing for a diabetic. So now I am really confused.

I know it's confusing to get advice from many people when

they don't all agree. In the case of Atkins, it's basically good for

diabetics.

When Atkins came out with his diet 30 years ago, it went

against then current medical theories. It was felt that eating a high

fat, high fat diet *must* raise cholesterol & triglyceride levels and

cause more heart attacks. Dr. Aktins said it didn't. The

mainstream doctors ridiculed his diet. Personally, I think Dr. Aktins

didn't help the situation in how he handled the criticism. Strangely,

Dr. Atkins never did a formal scientific study, so his enemies could

truthfully claim there was no scientific evidence to prove his diet was

safe.

So for the next 27 years or so, mainstream doctors laughed

and ridiculed his diet and told all their patients that it was a

dangerous diet. What when unsaid over that time was that the

mainstream scientists hadn't studied the diet either. They just

assumed it was dangerous because it went against their theories.

Then about 3 years ago, plus or minus, someone finally did a

scientific study of people on the Atkins diet. And low and behold, they

found that his diet did actually lower cholesterol and tryglycerides

instead of raise them. This has not led to shouts of joy at this new

knowledge, but rather grumbling acceptance and bitterness among the

mainstream doctors. Doctors don't tend to like new ideas that

violate their preconceptions. For example, in the late 1800's, there

was a Dr. Semelweiss who ran a maternity hospital. He was not a

theorist but a practical man. He noticed that the mothers who were

treated by doctors who had come directly from doing autopsies had more

infections than others. So he made a rule that all his interns must

wash their hands before delivering babies. Word spread about this and

he became the laughing stock of his profession. All his fellow

professionals knew that washing hands was ridiculous. This, despite

the dramatically lower infection rate in his hospital. Eventually he

lost his job and died in poverty. Within twenty years, germs were

discovered to cause disease. And the medical world changed. But too

late for Semelweiss.

http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blantisceptics.htm

It's a little bit like that with the Aktins diet. There are

still professionals who say the Atkins diet is bad for everybody,

despite recent publicly announced research.

As for diabetics, there is one clear rule. Eating carbs raises

your sugar levels. One school of thought fostered by K.

Bernstein, MD. says we should eat fewer carbs to prevent our glucose

levels from going up. The other school of thought is that we will

suffer malnutrition if we reduce the carbs we eat, so we should eat lots

of them and then take medication to bring them back down. There are

people in both schools on this list. Either approach can work in a

diabetic as long as the numbers on your meter are in the good range.

Edd

[Guest guest]

You've found the answer: Losing weight causes diabetes, LOL. Sue

> I lost 100 lbs over about a 2 year period. My

> reward was, ta da, diabetes. Hmmm.... Anyway.

[Guest guest]

Oh I use a cane for very short distances --usually aroound the

housing complex, but I must have that rollator for anything further. It

is a 4 wheel walker with brakes & a seat to sit & rest on when you can

tired. Many also have a basket for carrying small items & purse in--on

mine the basket is a canvas one under the seat, which I prefer. I love

mine & it is SO helpful for walking because you can lean on it with

equal pressure from both sides of your body. I also have an electric

mobility scooter too but unless I walk those 30 min a day I don't alow

myself to use the scooter <g>.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 5/05 A1c: 5.3 = 111 mean glu

50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin

ALA/EPO, B12, ALC, Vit C, Cac/mag,

low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 20 mg/coQ10 100mg, Enalapril 10 mg

5/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309)

5' tall /age 67,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

> My husband

> has had a problem with " falling asleep " when it is convenient for him

High blood sugar makes one sleepy.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

Hey GimpyLou glad to hear you've now got a 4 wheeler with seat--aren't

they great?

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 5/05 A1c: 5.3 = 111 mean glu

50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin

ALA/EPO, B12, ALC, Vit C, Cac/mag,

low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 20 mg/coQ10 100mg, Enalapril 10 mg

5/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309)

5' tall /age 67,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

Carbohydrates are found in anything that grows out of the ground -

wheat, corn, string beans, nuts, coffee and tea, things that come from

trees and vines, and so on. Those carbs may be called sugars or they

may be called starches, but it doesn't matter - they are carbs. Unless

it started it's life on four legs or swimming underwater it's a carb

carrying member of the Read That Label Food Group.

CarolR

[Guest guest]

I do the same thing Suzz - I have a crazy digestive system so there is no rhyme

or reason to how things digest. I low carb and test and test and test and read

all my lists. The lists are filled with so much great knowledge and so many

great people - sure makes a differenct.

Barb in NH

Type II Diabetes caused by Surgery

7.5 mg Glipizide daily

Low carb diet/not enough exercise

----- Original Message -----

I manage by low carbing. I don't follow Atkins or Bernstein or anyone.

I just low carb, use my meter and read my lists so I'm reasonably up

on diabetes in general.

Suzz, t2, dx97, d & e

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[Guest guest]

Also you might be interested in knowing that at Walmart you can get one foir

$148.00 and

then later you will get a check from Medicare for I think it was $31.00.

Lou ML GimpyLou, lol!!!

wrote:

>

> Thanks Lou! I must find one of these wonderful gizmos! I have tried

> the motorized scooters in the store when my hubby is with me. Saves

> me from having to get up and down all the time when he is pushing the

> cart.... otherwise, I may as well walk the cart because I'm too

> short to reach the items........ I'm reincarnating as a giraffe in

> my next life just so I know what it is like to be tall....... :-D

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dieticians almostr always say that low crabing is the worst thing for everybody.

They have been

taught for the last 50 years that carbs are the best food since they don't

contain cholesterol, as

do meat with any fat. Unfortunately their basic idea comes from the news medioa

which has twisted

research done in 1943. WHat they were studyig was a very small number of peopole

that have

extensive heart problems that killed them before reaching age 60, and it went

back generatins in

their family. THEY can't eat cholesterol, which the study reported as such. When

the newspapers

got ahold of it they said it applies to EVERYBODY, which is not what the reseach

said at all.

So, dieticians kee pushing high carb low protein to protect us, which has

resulting in higher and

rising levels of cholesterol. Cholesterol is formed by the body, since it is a

necessary

ingredient in nerve myelin sheaths, and when you don't eat enough the body makes

too much. In

short high cholesterol comes from eating carbs, NOT fats. Dieticians just got it

backwards, and

insist they are right.

Ted Quick

--- Dances With Eagles wrote:

> I was told that I need to eat the carbs to maintain the sugar. I was also

told, by a Kaiser

> Diabetic case nurse that Atkins is the worst thing for a diabetic. So now I

am really confused.

>

>

>

> Kathy

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

>

> So, you've probably got some fairly high blood sugar numbers there. A

> lot of us (not all) find that a low-carb diet is the main tool in the

> fight against diabetes. That would be meat, eggs, cheese, fish, green

> veggies, a few berries or a little bit of melon. No cookies, bananas,

> rice, corn, ice cream or popcorn. Sorry about that. There are some

> low-carb (lc) products, like lc ice cream, and lc sweets that you could

> eat sparingly, but I'd suggest you do some studying. I took a look at

> several different low-carb eating styles when I was first diagnosed

> (dx'd), and settled on Atkins to start with. I suggest you try one of

> them for about 90 days and see if you don't observe some improvement in

> your blood sugar and with some of the other health problems you've

> reported. It works for quite a few people, and it could help you, too.

> It's tough to give up favorite foods, but the overall improvement in

> health is usually worth it (not always, of course).

>

> CarolR

>

>

>

>

Ted Quick

[Guest guest]

WE tried to get more life insurance and were turned down because of his

diabetes.

_____

Kathy, one way some women have handled husbands who refuse to take care of their

health is to sit down with the guy and go over all your

insurance needs - insist that he get enough life insurance to take care of you

and the kids after he's gone. And you might want to talk to those picky eaters

about who it is that will take care of them if you and hubby don't or can't get

the support you need to care of yourselves.

Maybe some of your domestic problems could be handled with a really

honest reality check, or not. Just a suggestion - something to think about.

CarolR

[Guest guest]

Articles like this is what helps us new ones, becauses we never really paid

attention to what carbs were or why, or how to read it on the cans and so forth.

Carol wrote:Carbohydrates are found in anything

that grows out of the ground - wheat, corn, string beans, nuts, coffee and tea,

things that come from trees and vines, and so on. Those carbs may be called

sugars or they may be called starches, but it doesn't matter - they are carbs.

Unless it started it's life on four legs or swimming underwater it's a carb

carrying member of the Read That Label Food Group.

CarolR

[Guest guest]

You are correct, Alan. I was and am suggesting that Kathy, or anyone

else in a similar situation have a heart-to-heart talk with the family

about what is going to happen after a family member has passed on.

Death happens. Not saying it out loud will not change it. The question

for Kathy and her children is... what happens next?

CarolR

Alan wrote:

> Kathy, this may sound a bit blunt. I think you need to hear it.

>

> I suspect you missed Carol's message. She is saying that a discussion

> with your husband, of the financial arrangements you need to make for

> after his death from failing to care for himself, may get his attention.

>

> If you sit down to have a non-emotional businesslike chat that

> commences " well, you're obviously going to pre-decease me... " it may

> focus his thinking - and lead to him starting to take his meds and eat

> correctly.

>

> Correct me if I'm wrong please Carol.

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:41:54 -0700 (PDT), Ted Quick

wrote:

>So, dieticians kee pushing high carb low protein to protect us, which has

resulting in higher and

>rising levels of cholesterol. Cholesterol is formed by the body, since it is a

necessary

>ingredient in nerve myelin sheaths, and when you don't eat enough the body

makes too much. In

>short high cholesterol comes from eating carbs, NOT fats. Dieticians just got

it backwards, and

>insist they are right.

I love the way Bernstein puts it: " Saying that eating fat causes

cholesterol is like saying that eating grapes makes you purple. "

---

De Armond

See my website for my current email address

http://www.johngsbbq.com

Cleveland, Occupied TN

[Guest guest]

Hi - I thot I detected a tad of confusion in some of the posts.

Oldtimers need to be aware that newbies a lot of times need to just be

given the basics, like Alan's posting that website and Vicki's posting

of the books to read. And newbies hopefully will understand that some

of us have been so immersed in the advanced esoterica of diabetes

treatment that we forget to get back to basics sometimes.

A reminder about reading labels:

Total Carbohydrate - includes everything, sugar/starch/fiber/mystery

substances

Fiber - supposedly can be deducted from total carb for calculating and

dosing - my mileage varies on this - sometimes it works and sometimes I

get a surprise because my innards will recognize all carbs regardless of

label so test, test, test.

Sugar - Can NOT be deducted from total carbs - sugar = carbs, always!

When fiber and sugar do not add up to total carbs you have a mystery

substance (time to read the ingredients part of the label - if you find

cornstarch there you may want to choose a different food product) -

probably some kind of filler, unless sugar alcohols are present in the

food. Some people claim that sugar alcohols (maltitol, sorbitol, any

other 'ol) do not count because the insulin producing innards do not

recognize them as carbs. Others find that their innards either

recognize all of them, or some of them. It's another YMMV thingybob, so

test, test, test - and don't eat a whole bunch anyway because you'll

wind up in the bathroom for a day or so (don't ask me how I know this.)

CarolR

rachel day wrote:

> Articles like this is what helps us new ones, becauses we never really paid

attention to what carbs were or why, or how to read it on the cans and so forth.

>

> Carol wrote:Carbohydrates are found in

anything that grows out of the ground - wheat, corn, string beans, nuts, coffee

and tea, things that come from trees and vines, and so on. Those carbs may be

called sugars or they may be called starches, but it doesn't matter - they are

carbs. Unless it started it's life on four legs or swimming underwater it's a

carb carrying member of the Read That Label Food Group.

>

> CarolR