Guest guest Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 Didn't you have a high cortisol, not low? I can't remember whether or not anything was resolved about this high cortisol, was it? Have you EVER had a scan of your adrenal glands to check for pheochromocytoma, a tumor that produces norepinephrine and such chemicals that give anxiety attacks, up the heart rate, and increase blood pressure to the extent that everything in the body is raced up. Have you had blood chemistries done on any other adrenal substances, such as the above mentioned or epinephrine? I know that you've been having these anxiety attacks a whole lot longer than September, and they seem to come upon you when least expected, so I'm thinking that there is something else involved here, namely adrenal, but no low adrenal. The adrenal glands make many more things than cortisol, and many of them are made by the other part of it. I'm also wondering if you've ever had a brain scan? I NEED ADVICE > > > I have not written here in awhile, but having problems none the less. > I had been seeing Dr. Woliner for a while but had to give him up > since he is so expensive and does not take insurance. He was the > second doc in a row to try me on Armour. I cannot tolerate any > thyroid replacement without having hyper symptoms. With that beeing > said, he said that my thyroid numbers are not bad and that he can > treat me with suppliments to reduce my antibodies. Needless to say I > had to drop him and have not pursued that. I have been dealing with a > lot of anxiety problems off and on for the last month and a half. It > started about 9/12/04 or there abouts. I will hyperventilate have > rapid heart rate and sometimes sweat. The last two days and nights > have been good. Starting about 1 hour ago it started to hit me. So I > took an asprin thinking it might settle down an inflammed thyroid if > that is the problems. Last month I had 6 days solid of anxiety. What > suchs is waking up at 2 am and find that you are hyperventilating. I > really don't know what to do. I don't know if these problems are my > thyroid or something else. I really don't think it is a general > anxiety attack. I feel it is chemical or hormonal. Any advice would > be helpful. Thanks > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 Cindi The other part of the adrenal glands puts out substances that can cause panic and anxiety, not the cortex----oh heck, what's the other part called, duhhh? Anyway, norepinephrine and epinephrine and such things as that. Re: I NEED ADVICE > > In a message dated 10/22/2004 4:16:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, > garyland@... writes: > > > What > > suchs is waking up at 2 am and find that you are hyperventilating > > , > I suppose the possibilities for this are endless..but I'll just throw in that > my 26 year old daughter does exactly as you describe...anxiety/panic attacks > and waking up at night hyperventilating. And heck..I don't know if it's early > thyroid problems (inherited by me) or her other condition which is Polycystic > Kidney Disease. She has high blood pressure from that..and mostly her doctor > attributes her anxiety to the blood pressure problems. > Let's see what everyone else has to say.... > Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 What is great about saliva tests for anything is that they more closely represent tissue saturation levels than momentary blood levels. It would be more likely that you would have such " fright " issues with blood tests than saliva tests. Re: I NEED ADVICE > > In a message dated 10/22/2004 6:03:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, > tayamni@... writes: > > > Personally, I know that if I was required to spit into a tube to fill it I > > would be anxious ABOUT doing it, beforehand, and WHILE doing it. I am just > > that way with any medical tests....NERVOUS!!!. I am positive it would not be > > representative of my normal daily fluctuations of cortisol. > > > > dang...maybe that's why mine came back elevated. I was getting really > anxious about the fact it was taking so much spit to fill up that tiny little tube. > cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 Question: What made you drop the DHEA? Though we know that you are a subtle hypothyroid, I think that the lack of testosterone can also cause problems going up on the thyroid hormone. Where did I read this? I don't know, but I did. Wasn't the idea behind the DHEA to help improve your testosterone also? Have you ever worn a Holter Monitor, for the heart rhythm? Re: I NEED ADVICE > > > Hi nne, > > I am assuming Dr. W was not the doc in question regarding you jump > from 1 to 2grains. Maybe I should just try the DHEA again even though > I am not on the armour now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 Caroline I'm angry about my disease too, but I'm not gonna shake my fist at God, because I know he didn't give me this disease. There are the " forces that be " driving some terrible things going on down here on this planet, and I don't blame me having the disease directly, I'm at peace with that, but I also know that I did contribute my share when I didn't really care what was going on in my body, or I thought I was going to live forever and do what I wanted to all the time. I want to feel good, but it's not driving me to pieces, because I can't let it. The Drive is what probably helped me get to this point in the first place. Sometimes I feel like venting, and I do vent, but I also know that I haven't unlocked all the secrets to God's place either. My fears and such used to drive me, but they don't any more, but also, I'm not going to let any defeat drive me either. I don't have money for all these things either, but the way I got knowledge was over a long long time and then listening to good people share their opinions about themselves and myself. When I look back to one yr ago, though I don't feel wonderful still, I can see how much progress I have made from then to now. I can look back and see how much progress I've made also, in my personal life, from a much further point back, to now. I have had to eat some crow in my days on earth, but I know there is a purpose in it all. I am not angry any more (frustrated sometimes, yes) at the God of this universe because He didn't cause it. Re: I NEED ADVICE > > > Geez Louise....How on earth did just living & breathing normally > ever get to be so darned complicated, confusing & overwhelming for > Pete's sake???? After reading this thread & some others, a person > has have a medical degree, or at least a medical dictionary or > reference book(s) & go through that expense. Then learn anatomy up, > down & sidewise, be a lab wizard & have read every book or > online/offline supposedly " expert " doctor or other wholistic > practioner on these related subjects. More expense, more time & > energy consumed. Very stressful!!! > > How to get all that knowledge so it's useable when we're having > brain fog, lethargy & apathy from depression & chronic pain on top > it all is beyond me. Let alone remember it all. It beats the heck > outta me, that's fer shure. The more I read the more lost & confused > I get & the more hopeless it all sounds if we're to spend so much > time, money & energy on all this. > > Who the hell has the time, energy or inclination for all that plus > experimenting, often wasting precious money in the process? With > different things to ingest, special diets to follow & memorize all > the reasons why for each specific food, or all the other things > involved???? Let alone read all the books recommended???? > > Not to mention having the time, money or energy to hunt down all > this stuff, buy it, keep charts, graphs, take daily temperatures & > pulse & on & on. And then keep searching for doctors reasonably > nearby who know how or are willing to experimentally treat us while > going thru all that insurance & other paperwork including forwarding > & releasing medical records from one doctor to another? Sounds > absolutely exhausting & expensive to me. > > It's enough to make a person give up before getting started at all. > I've got a huge backlog of these emails I've been saving to sort > through & compile, then print for a binder. But you know what? I'm > losing interest in even doing that anymore it's all so complicated & > so much to read & sort through or even think of retaining in the > brain or memorizing. > > I'm spending hours & hours a day just reading this list & other > health newsletters & other groups online. Who's got the time or > inclination to compile it all & print it or organize it into a > binder or other files? > > Heck...just reading it all is exhausting enough. And I'm retired. > How on earth does a person with a family & a full time job do it all > without getting sicker, more overstressed or croaking from just this > kind of educational & experimental stress? Especially with all the > controversial statements & advice ongoing & completely changing > one's lifestyle to boot, even putting one's marriage in danger in > the process? > > Also taking the thyroid, adrenal or other supplements can be > dangerous it sounds like. What with elevated pulse, rapid or > erractic heart beats, raised temperatures, sweats or fluctuations up > & down in rapid succession with all of those as self-experimenation > continues. > > Hell it's way easier to take pain killers & take one's chances of > dying sooner rather than later. I mean if you have to increase your > Rx pain meds over time, that alone will kill ya sooner or later. And > who can live without them the older we get & the more pain we have? > I sure can't so far no matter how hard I've tried. > > Sheesh...sometimes I envy my 92yo mother in a wheel chair in a > nursing home where she's fully taken care of & hasn't a worry in the > world, let alone much cognitive or physical abilities anymore. She > sings a lot & cracks corny, nonsensical jokes. What could be a > better way to live & be as happy as that? > > Oh well......sighhhhhhhhhhhhhh...it's way over my head already & the > more I read the more complicated & time consuming & monetarily > expensive it appears to become. How did just living become so > difficult? I doubt it was ever meant to be this way from humanity's > Day One on this planet. Something's very wrong with this picture. > Stop the planet....I want to get off!!!!! > Caroline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 I'm not familiar with Avapro. This is very important----does it slow your heart rate down any? If it does, this could be where the clash is coming in, as low thyroid also slows the heart rate down so much, that it's like, Let The Palpitations Begin! Some people think that the heart only palps when the heart rate is too fast, but they can begin when it's too slow. Then, once the oxygen deprevation has started from that thing, then the heart muscle begins to pump as fast as it can, in order to get oxygen. It's a Catch 22 situation---low thyroid, slow heart rate, palps, raced up heart, then anxiety attack and hyperventilation syndrome. What basis does Avapro work on? Is it slowing down the heart rate? I know you're getting a lot of suggestions thrown at you at once. We're just trying to help you figure this out, so you'll sort of have a direction to go in. If you don't know what this med does, or rather how it does it, ask the pharmacist about it, he/she will know. Re: I NEED ADVICE > > > , > > I started on 1/4 grain and had problems. Then I took DHEA and was > about to work my way up to 1grain but developed hyper like problems. > I have been off all thyroid for about 1 1/2 months or more. The > breathing thing and it can happen during the day, is like I can't get > enough air and my heart will be about 105 bpm. It could also be my bp > med. I am on Avapro. I am overweight and 54. However, I ride my bike > about 4 miles every day and I don't get out of breath while doing it. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 Yeh, duhhh, Cindi, that's it, lol, thanks! Re: I NEED ADVICE > > In a message dated 10/24/2004 9:10:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, > marin@... writes: > > > The other part of the adrenal glands puts out substances that can cause > > panic and anxiety, not the cortex----oh heck, what's the other part called, > > duhhh? > > medulla? > cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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