Guest guest Posted July 12, 1999 Report Share Posted July 12, 1999 Hi, you may remember me posting about m overactive ledown problem. Thanx for all the replys. Now I have a real major problem and I'm confused Hannah has been screaming for about 2wks straight now, sometimes mylicon works...others it doesn't. She hasn't been taking naps during the day and I noticed blood specks in her stool. Well, I called the pedi. this morning and I brought her in today. Dr said that it sounds like she not only has colic but also might have reflux because she spits up whole bunches of milk after. Actually it like pours out This is the really bad part, he wants me to express milk and give her bottles with cereal all the time!!!! I don't want to take her off of me!!! I know that I can't possably produce the same amount of milk with a pump as she can and my milk supply will eventually go away. And then I will have to give her formula. I don't know what to do but cry, all I've done since we got home. It's crappy because I ave enough milk to feed an army Should I try a bottle in the morning and at night and still feed her on the breast the rest of the time, or just listen to the dr??? Oh, she only gained 7oz since the 28th. Thanx, Crystal and Hannah 7wks old http://community.webtv.net/crystaldaso/HannahMariehas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 1999 Report Share Posted July 12, 1999 Crystal, I have been lurking for a while since it has been busy here but had to delurk to address this. My daughter also has reflux. She had alot of problems gaining weight.She too would scream like she had colic and spit up milk half way accross the room. I normally dont like to give my kids medicenes but the doctor gave me zantac and cisapride to give to her for the reflux and it made a world of difference. She started gaining weight, was pleasant and no spit up. My doctor never said anything about a bottle and cereal. In fact I would be worried too about giving her the bottle and jepordizing milk supply. I would wonder if cereal would even make a difference because without her medicenes Abby spits up food also. Just my two cents. a mom to 10, 7. Zach 2 and Abby 9mos Crystal Daso wrote: > From: crystaldaso@... (Crystal Daso) > > Hi, you may remember me posting about m overactive ledown problem. > Thanx for all the replys. Now I have a real major problem and I'm > confused > Hannah has been screaming for about 2wks straight now, sometimes mylicon > works...others it doesn't. She hasn't been taking naps during the day > and I noticed blood specks in her stool. Well, I called the pedi. this > morning and I brought her in today. Dr said that it sounds like she not > only has colic but also might have reflux because she spits up whole > bunches of milk after. Actually it like pours out This is the > really bad part, he wants me to express milk and give her bottles with > cereal all the time!!!! I don't want to take her off of me!!! I know > that I can't possably produce the same amount of milk with a pump as she > can and my milk supply will eventually go away. And then I will have to > give her formula. I don't know what to do but cry, all I've done since > we got home. It's crappy because I ave enough milk to feed an army > Should I try a bottle in the morning and at night and still feed her on > the breast the rest of the time, or just listen to the dr??? > Oh, she only gained 7oz since the 28th. > Thanx, > Crystal and Hannah > 7wks old > > http://community.webtv.net/crystaldaso/HannahMariehas > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 1999 Report Share Posted July 12, 1999 Crystal, My advice, although not a medical opinion, is that bottles make reflux worse. They drink more air which causes more reflux. It sounds like a milk allergy that we have been discussing here. Have you tried removing all dairy from your diet. Cereal also doesn't really help reflux in small babies. Cereal can be even more distressing to an immature bowel. The best thing you could do is eliminate ALL sources of dairy in your diet and see what that does. Wendi HELP!!!!! From: crystaldaso@... (Crystal Daso) Hi, you may remember me posting about m overactive ledown problem. Thanx for all the replys. Now I have a real major problem and I'm confused Hannah has been screaming for about 2wks straight now, sometimes mylicon works...others it doesn't. She hasn't been taking naps during the day and I noticed blood specks in her stool. Well, I called the pedi. this morning and I brought her in today. Dr said that it sounds like she not only has colic but also might have reflux because she spits up whole bunches of milk after. Actually it like pours out This is the really bad part, he wants me to express milk and give her bottles with cereal all the time!!!! I don't want to take her off of me!!! I know that I can't possably produce the same amount of milk with a pump as she can and my milk supply will eventually go away. And then I will have to give her formula. I don't know what to do but cry, all I've done since we got home. It's crappy because I ave enough milk to feed an army Should I try a bottle in the morning and at night and still feed her on the breast the rest of the time, or just listen to the dr??? Oh, she only gained 7oz since the 28th. Thanx, Crystal and Hannah 7wks old http://community.webtv.net/crystaldaso/HannahMariehas --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 1999 Report Share Posted July 12, 1999 Crystal, My oldest son had GE reflux fairly severly. Due to many medical issues, he was not breast fed. I did pump for 6 months for him and he also got formula since my supply was horrid. I don't think this drastic idea is necessary right away. Did the dr put her on any meds? Usually reglan and another med that escapes me right now are given to reduce the reflux. Did your ped. have you refered to a pediatric gastroenterologist? Sounds like this may help too. There may be something else to thicken the ebm with if you choose to give some bottles. I would suggest sitting her upright (as much as possible) after feeding her. You may also want to incline the place where she sleeps or even have her sleep in a bouncy seat if she naps again. She may nap once this gets under control. Reflux can be uncomfortable...like a bad heart burn. Hang in there. You still have options to consider! Oh, are they going to do a Ph probe on her? If you have any questions, please feel free to e mail me privately or on the list! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 1999 Report Share Posted July 12, 1999 i would find a second opinion...cereal that young would compound the problem i would think. Please get another doc to look her over...or better yet a chiropractor. At 08:20 PM 7/12/99 -0400, you wrote: >From: crystaldaso@... (Crystal Daso) > >Hi, you may remember me posting about m overactive ledown problem. >Thanx for all the replys. Now I have a real major problem and I'm >confused >Hannah has been screaming for about 2wks straight now, sometimes mylicon >works...others it doesn't. She hasn't been taking naps during the day >and I noticed blood specks in her stool. Well, I called the pedi. this >morning and I brought her in today. Dr said that it sounds like she not >only has colic but also might have reflux because she spits up whole >bunches of milk after. Actually it like pours out This is the >really bad part, he wants me to express milk and give her bottles with >cereal all the time!!!! I don't want to take her off of me!!! I know >that I can't possably produce the same amount of milk with a pump as she >can and my milk supply will eventually go away. And then I will have to >give her formula. I don't know what to do but cry, all I've done since >we got home. It's crappy because I ave enough milk to feed an army >Should I try a bottle in the morning and at night and still feed her on >the breast the rest of the time, or just listen to the dr??? >Oh, she only gained 7oz since the 28th. >Thanx, >Crystal and Hannah >7wks old ***************************************************** - Proud mommy of Gilbert Cory Valdez (01-10-99) Visit us: http://members.home.net/gtvaldez/ Imagination Station Registered Family Home Childcare ***************************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 1999 Report Share Posted July 12, 1999 Hello...I would consider getting a second opinion. My best friends baby has the reflux problem and with Zantac she happily nurses. At 9 months she is just now starting to eat a little bit of solids as they have always made her vomit before. Kari HELP!!!!! From: crystaldaso@... (Crystal Daso) Hi, you may remember me posting about m overactive ledown problem. Thanx for all the replys. Now I have a real major problem and I'm confused Hannah has been screaming for about 2wks straight now, sometimes mylicon works...others it doesn't. She hasn't been taking naps during the day and I noticed blood specks in her stool. Well, I called the pedi. this morning and I brought her in today. Dr said that it sounds like she not only has colic but also might have reflux because she spits up whole bunches of milk after. Actually it like pours out This is the really bad part, he wants me to express milk and give her bottles with cereal all the time!!!! I don't want to take her off of me!!! I know that I can't possably produce the same amount of milk with a pump as she can and my milk supply will eventually go away. And then I will have to give her formula. I don't know what to do but cry, all I've done since we got home. It's crappy because I ave enough milk to feed an army Should I try a bottle in the morning and at night and still feed her on the breast the rest of the time, or just listen to the dr??? Oh, she only gained 7oz since the 28th. Thanx, Crystal and Hannah 7wks old http://community.webtv.net/crystaldaso/HannahMariehas --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 1999 Report Share Posted July 13, 1999 > Should I try a bottle in the morning and at night and still feed her on > the breast the rest of the time, or just listen to the dr??? > Oh, she only gained 7oz since the 28th. There's a really good article on reflux at LLLI's site. It covers the advantages of breastfeeding to both the baby and the mom/family. If you can't find it, let me know and I will paste the URL in. I would find any other doctor who respected breastfeeding enough to not dump it at the first sign of trouble, but that's just me personally. Seeing red specks of blood in the diaper isn't typically a stomach problem, but usually something else. Another mom on this list discovered red blood specks in her baby's diaper, and she and her doctor are trying to determine first if it's an allergy to cow's milk protein in her breastmilk that's causing the problems. If this is what's causing Hannah's problem, putting him on cow's milk formula or cereal mixed with cow's milk formula is NOT going to be helpful! As for the milk she's spitting up, pour some milk onto a towel or cloth diaper and see how much it looks like. A half an ounce spilled onto a flat surface looks like " gallons. " Most babies are thought to consume about 2.5-3 ounces per feeding. If she's spitting up that much, then you certainly should look into what's causing it. If it's a half ounce or less, it might just be a temporary laundry problem. One of the signs of overactive letdown is a baby with an air bubble trapped in her stomach from gulping air with breastmilk to keep up with the fast flow. If you could sit her upright and burp her after your letdown to get the bubble(s) out, you might solve the problem. Hannah's gaining 7 ounces in two weeks isn't necessarily a " red flag " either. Most babies gain about 8 ounces per week in the first 6 weeks, and then begin to taper off some as they establish better nursing patters, and your supply levels off. Watch her diapers to see how much she's getting. She should have about 5-6 wet cloth diapers (6-8 disposable) and 3-4 dirty diapers every 24 hours. Chart them for a few days if it helps. (If you need a chart, holler!) One of the best things you might do for your nursing relationship is to call a LLL Leader close to you and discuss options over the phone. You can also make an appointment with a board certified Lactation Consultant who can also give you options, plus let you know what to expect from any prescriptions your doctor may ask you to use. Most of all, remember that your baby can't say how she feels, or what her wishes are, and it's up to you to read what she's trying to say. If giving her medication or cereal is what you think she needs, then listen to that instinct. If it's not, and by your post, it sounds like it isn't your instinct, then listen to that and try to learn what else may be going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 1999 Report Share Posted July 13, 1999 > I can't have milk, cheese, ice cream, butter, yogurt, or > anything with casein or whey. I can't even have soy > milk! Waaaaaaahhhhhhhh! No pizza, creamy salad dressings, etc... Plus all > the cakes and cookies and other foods that are made with milk. You get the > idea. why can't you have yogurt? It's not a typical offender for cow's milk proteins! My next suggestion is that you start looking for alternatives. Tofu, no matter what you've heard about it, is a fair contender for a cow's milk alternative! You can use it to make some of the things you listed here. Also, there is a goat's milk cheese that you might be able to use. And... you can use *your* milk, if you're lucky enough to have some expressed, in cooking, or making butter, or salad dressing.... lol Don't knock it till you've tried it! And if you're eliminating desserts and breads made with cow's milk, try making your own using your milk... Breast milk is NOT a dairy item!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 1999 Report Share Posted July 13, 1999 How do you make butter with EBM? Love to try it. ----Original Message Follows---- And... you can use *your* milk, if you're lucky enough to have some expressed, in cooking, or making butter, or salad dressing.... lol Don't knock it till you've tried it! And if you're eliminating desserts and breads made with cow's milk, try making your own using your milk... Breast milk is NOT a dairy item!! --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 1999 Report Share Posted July 13, 1999 Sherry~If it's anything like making regular butter, I guess you would just shake it til it hardens, then pour off the liquid. I would think that you may not have enough fat, unless you got all hindmilk ) Stevie~Mommy to a (10-10-96) & (2-22-99) ~Visit our homepage~ http://community.webtv.net/ST3PH3/MYFAMILY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 1999 Report Share Posted July 14, 1999 > How do you make butter with EBM? Love to try it. Same as you would with cow's milk. Skim off the cream and pour it into a jar with a lid. Shake it for about 10 minutes. Pass it around to the kids for some help with the shaking. Setting a timer usually adds to the fun, and have them see who can shake it the most before the timer goes off. > Pour off the liquid that has separated from the cream, which should now be starting to look like pudding. Replace the lid and shake a little more, and pour off any remaining liquid. You should have something the consistency of softened butter. Press it into some sort of mold and refrigerate. This also makes an excellent spread for babies who are just starting solids! It packs in the nutrition into the day's meals as well. This butter, made from expressed milk, has no salt in it, and will have a sweeter taste than store-bought butter. You can mix it with honey (if your baby is over one, itX-MoziX-Mozilla-Status: 8018 or with garlic for a spread, or with peppers for baking. Or whatever you like using butter with! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 1999 Report Share Posted July 14, 1999 > How do you make butter with EBM? Love to try it. Same as you would with cow's milk. Skim off the cream and pour it into a jar with a lid. Shake it for about 10 minutes. Pass it around to the kids for some help with the shaking. Setting a timer usually adds to the fun, and have them see who can shake it the most before the timer goes off. > Pour off the liquid that has separated from the cream, which should now be starting to look like pudding. Replace the lid and shake a little more, and pour off any remaining liquid. You should have something the consistency of softened butter. Press it into some sort of mold and refrigerate. This also makes an excellent spread for babies who are just starting solids! It packs in the nutrition into the day's meals as well. This butter, made from expressed milk, has no salt in it, and will have a sweeter taste than store-bought butter. You can mix it with honey (if your baby is over one, it's ok for them to eat, too) or with garlic for a spread, or with peppers for baking. Or whatever you like using butter with! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 1999 Report Share Posted July 14, 1999 > How do you make butter with EBM? Love to try it. Same as you would with cow's milk. Skim off the cream and pour it into a jar with a lid. Shake it for about 10 minutes. Pass it around to the kids for some help with the shaking. Setting a timer usually adds to the fun, and have them see who can shake it the most before the timer goes off. > Pour off the liquid that has separated from the cream, which should now be starting to look like pudding. Replace the lid and shake a little more, and pour off any remaining liquid. You should have something the consistency of softened butter. Press it into some sort of mold and refrigerate. This also makes an excellent spread for babies who are just starting solids! It packs in the nutrition into the day's meals as well. This butter, made from expressed milk, has no salt in it, and will have a sweeter taste than store-bought butter. You can mix it with honey (if your baby is over one, itX-Mozilla-Status: 8018, too) or with garlic for a spread, or with peppers for baking. Or whatever you like using butter with! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 1999 Report Share Posted July 14, 1999 > Sherry~If it's anything like making regular butter, I guess you would > just shake it til it hardens, then pour off the liquid. I would think > that you may not have enough fat, unless you got all hindmilk ) It would take lots of hindmilk to make a pound of butter (4 sticks) but if you have lots of milk stored, or can pump after nursing, you can collect more cream. I've only used my own butter with the kids' meals... and the one taste to see if it was worth sharing! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 1999 Report Share Posted July 14, 1999 > Sherry~If it's anything like making regular butter, I guess you would > just shake it til it hardens, then pour off the liquid. I would think > that you may not have enough fat, unless you got all hindmilk ) It would take lots of hindmilk to make a pound of butter (4 sticks) but if you have lots of milk stored, or can pX-Mozilla-Status: 8008 can collect more cream. I've only used my own butter with the kids' meals... and the one taste to see if it was worth sharing! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 1999 Report Share Posted July 14, 1999 > Sherry~If it's anything like making regular butter, I guess you would > just shake it til it hardens, then pour off the liquid. I would think > that you may not have enough fat, unless you got all hindmilk ) It would take lots of hindmilk to make a pound of butter (4 sticks) but if you have lots of milk stored, or can pX-MoziX-Mozilla-Status: 8008collect more cream. I've only used my own butter with the kids' meals... and the one taste to see if it was worth sharing! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 1999 Report Share Posted July 15, 1999 In a message dated 7/15/99 3:32:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, angehowe@... writes: << and >> oh never mind! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 1999 Report Share Posted July 16, 1999 When my kids would make butter for thanksgiving in kindergarten, they also put a wooden block in the jar that they shook, like one of those little 2in. sqare block - I don't know why though lol. Joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 1999 Report Share Posted July 16, 1999 In a message dated 7/16/99 2:53:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, naturebaby@... writes: << birth ceremony >> What's that? It sounds interesting!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 1999 Report Share Posted July 16, 1999 In a message dated 7/16/99 2:59:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, naturebaby@... writes: << We had what's called a blessing way for her. ( I had one too) It is traditionally a native american ceremony but we apapted it. We did a lot of different things. It was all women like a baby shower, but no games and no gifts. We gave her our wishes for her baby and made butter and we linked all of us together with string and then each person cut their's and tied it to their wrist and left it on in support of her birth. We all took them off after the baby was born. At mine we made a belly mask of my pregnant belly. It was very gratifying to be honored that way by all my women friends. >> That sounds wonderful!!! I wish I had that, but I've had my last baby, so maybe I'll have to do that for my pregnant-to-be friends. jennifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 1999 Report Share Posted July 16, 1999 We made butter at a friends birth ceremony and we just took a jar and filled it half full with milk and put the lid on tight and took turns shaking it until there was a big clump of butter in the middle. Wendi Re: HELP!!!!! From: MJplus5@... When my kids would make butter for thanksgiving in kindergarten, they also put a wooden block in the jar that they shook, like one of those little 2in. sqare block - I don't know why though lol. Joan --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 1999 Report Share Posted July 16, 1999 , We had what's called a blessing way for her. ( I had one too) It is traditionally a native american ceremony but we apapted it. We did a lot of different things. It was all women like a baby shower, but no games and no gifts. We gave her our wishes for her baby and made butter and we linked all of us together with string and then each person cut their's and tied it to their wrist and left it on in support of her birth. We all took them off after the baby was born. At mine we made a belly mask of my pregnant belly. It was very gratifying to be honored that way by all my women friends. Wendi Re: HELP!!!!! From: NFLI4U@... In a message dated 7/16/99 2:53:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, naturebaby@... writes: << birth ceremony >> What's that? It sounds interesting!! --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 1999 Report Share Posted July 16, 1999 , I certainly appreciated the effort my friends put into it. If you want more info you can email me off list. Wendi Re: HELP!!!!! From: NFLI4U@... That sounds wonderful!!! I wish I had that, but I've had my last baby, so maybe I'll have to do that for my pregnant-to-be friends. jennifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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