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That is neat! Sue:)

On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:28:16 EDT PhilsGal@... writes:

>From: PhilsGal@...

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>Hi everyone! I thought you all would enjoy this story. : )

>

>About a week or two ago I took Philip to " Story Hour " at the local

>library.

>Well, we were sitting there on the floor and Philip decided he wanted

>to

>nurse. No problem. All of a sudden I feel a little body leaning

>against me.

>It was a little boy (I later learned had just turned a year old) He

>was all

>snuggled up against me and I remember thinking how sweet! he must

>really like

>me!! <wink> I turned to look at his mother and she said, " You're

>nursing? He

>smells your milk. " Well, so much for him really liking ME. ; ) lol.

>Anyhow, I

>just thought that was the neatest thing. Here is a one year old who

>has NEVER

>met me before. He has absolutely no idea who I am yet he was as

>comfortable

>as could be because he smelled breastmilk!! Wow!

>

>Dana -Mommy to Philip ph 9/17/97

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Dana,

That is just too cute. What a little sweetie. I had to nurse a friend's

10 month old when Zaid was about 4 months old. His dad had brought him

over for the day and the milk in a cup just wasn't cutting it. He came

over to me and just climbed in my lap and layed down like he was going to

nurse. I tried to put him down and he completely freaked. I went ahead

and nursed him. Luckily the mom showed up right after that and she was

able to nurse him. She had gotten caught in traffic and he just wasn't

waiting any longer. :D

Wendi

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Hi everyone! I thought you all would enjoy this story. : )

About a week or two ago I took Philip to " Story Hour " at the local library.

Well, we were sitting there on the floor and Philip decided he wanted to

nurse. No problem. All of a sudden I feel a little body leaning against me.

It was a little boy (I later learned had just turned a year old) He was all

snuggled up against me and I remember thinking how sweet! he must really

like

me!! <wink> I turned to look at his mother and she said, " You're nursing?

He

smells your milk. " Well, so much for him really liking ME. ; ) lol. Anyhow,

I

just thought that was the neatest thing. Here is a one year old who has

NEVER

met me before. He has absolutely no idea who I am yet he was as comfortable

as could be because he smelled breastmilk!! Wow!

Dana -Mommy to Philip ph 9/17/97

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In a message dated 6/27/99 12:30:07 PM Central Daylight Time,

naturebaby@... writes:

<< I went ahead

and nursed him. Luckily the mom showed up right after that and she was

able to nurse him. She had gotten caught in traffic and he just wasn't

waiting any longer. :D >>

Did the mom know that you nursed her baby??

Amy

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Amy,

Absolutely. I am not a criminal trying to breastfeed women's babies

without their knowledge. She was happy that her babe wasn't left to

scream.

Wendi

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In a message dated 6/27/99 12:30:07 PM Central Daylight Time,

naturebaby@... writes:

<< I went ahead

and nursed him. Luckily the mom showed up right after that and she was

able to nurse him. She had gotten caught in traffic and he just wasn't

waiting any longer. :D >>

Did the mom know that you nursed her baby??

Amy

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In a message dated 6/28/99 12:34:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

Feb98@... writes:

<< I felt like I was doing somthing wrong and I would never want anyone to

nurse .

Amy

>>

Ok, I have changed my thinking a little bit....

I WOULD be able to nurse someone else's baby.....

What if the mother was injured and in the hospital, and she was BF'G, and the

poor baby would NOT take a bottle, OR a pacifier.....

I honestly have a friend, my best friend, who's baby is like this

And I have to say, I would nurse her baby in a heart beat, if needed....

Stacie

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In a message dated 6/28/99 12:37:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

Feb98@... writes:

<< No I am a big support of milk bank in total I have given over 50 pounds of

milk to them. And I am collecting more now. So I can without question say I

do think there shoudl be milk banks. >>

Ok, I am sorry but this does NOT make sense to me.....

What is the difference here, would you give milk from a milk bank? That

is essentially the same thing as someone else nursing him, and you said it

was a disease thing......but would this NOT give him any possible disease you

would be worried about.....the same for you donating milk, it would give the

baby, and diseases you had, Right?

It sounds more to me, like it is a sexual thing, and has nothing to do with

diseases.......

JMNHO

Stacie

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In a message dated 6/28/99 1:37:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

peachsmum@... writes:

<< But I know I love her enough that if it came down to someone else

nursing her, I would be thankful she didn't go hungry. Babies don't

care who loves them as long as someone does : ) >)))>

, mum to (aka peach)12-22-98

>>

Oh , that was BEAUTIFUL......

You are right, but I would not be willing to let just ANYONE, nurse Lexi

It would have to be someone I knew, and was very close to

Of course the type of over paranoid, over protective Mother that I

AM....would not ever leave Lexi with someone I did Not know, and trust 110%

So that is where I am getting my feelings from

Stacie

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In a message dated 6/28/99 1:55:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

Mom2Natali@... writes:

<< My baby is like this. will eat baby food or cereal, will drink

juice

from a sippy cup, but not BM. So I would just hope that a really good friend

of mine (she's nursing a 9 month old) would nurse if something were

to happen to me. I have friends who have just switched babies and nursed

each

other's children for fun. I wouldn't do that, but if Audrey needed me to

nurse her I would, or if needed to nurse her, I HOPE she

would, and I'd be more than happy to let her. Just wanted to add my $0.02.

<3,

Robin

>>

See this is where I could really be able to nurse a friends baby

My one friend WAS in the hospital, and it was terribly hard on her husband

because he could hold the baby off for only so long, and she then got a to a

point when NOTHING would work to calm her down, she wanted to nurse, and she

ended up crying for hours before she fell asleep.

And had I been there, I would have offered to nurse her in a second

I would NEVER be able to do it " Just for Fun " , it would have to be something

that the mother was not able to do, and the baby REALLY needed it, for me to

be able to do it.

See, it is more what the circumstances are , than the fact you would be

nursing someone else's baby, or some one else nursing your baby.

As I am SURE none of us here would like to know our babies were at home

screaming their heads off, and your BEST friend was there, and COULD, but

would NOT nurse the baby to calm them down.....

I of course would rather my friend try every other method FIRST, but if it

came down to absolute neccesity, I would not have a problem with it

Stacie

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In a message dated 6/28/99 12:53:54 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

breastfeedingonelist writes:

> 7. Re: Neat Story

> From: MzzTiff@...

> i would be extremely uncomfortable if i found out someone else nursed my

> baby....way too weird for me...not commenting on the situation you had

> Wendi...just from my own pov.

> Tiffani

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I believe -

1) you never know how exactly you will react because every situation is

different

2) as a parent you obviously do what you need to for your child, and

3) you never want your child to be in distress.

However, that said -- I think it would ALSO bother me if someone else had to

nurse my little boy. Although I think it is great that others are willing to

do it, I just don't want to ever have it happen. Since it is such a special

time that only the two of us have ever shared, I would feel cheated if

someone else nursed him and selfishly don't think anyone elses milk would be

as good for him. Can't blame a mommy for wanting to keep her little boy all

to herself can you?

Hugs,

Jean

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In a message dated 6/28/99 2:47:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

naturebaby@... writes:

<< Do

you think that there shouldn't be bank milk either? What about someone

else nursing your baby makes you so uncomfortable? What if it was a dear

friend? What if you were unavoidably delayed? Would you prefer your baby

to cry until you returned or would you rather that your baby had its need

met? I am just trying to understand where you are coming from. :D

Wendi >>

After I thought about it, I have a cousin who just weaned her baby and I

would not be upset or " weirded out " if she was to nurse my daughter and if

necessary, I would nurse her daughter without a second thought. but other

than that, I would still be uncomfortable...but i got a germ/disease fixation

so it may have something to do with that( i carry antibacterial wipes

EVERYWHERE). Which is why I pump milk all the time....wanna make sure my baby

is adequately prepared in case something happens As far as the milk

bank..that would be fine if someone wanted to use it...i probably never

would..

Tiffani

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I know that many people feel strange about non-biological mother's bfdg other

babies. I would have welcomed someone comforting my children in this way in

my absence if there was nothing else he needed. I feel that as long as both

people are comfortable with it, it can be a wonderful, soothing, giving

situation. Wendi, you are a giving person, so this doesn't surprise me. Oh,

and I will share again that my Mom agreed to baby sit my friend (the one who

is battling thrush)-well, her little sister when she was a new born. There

was one condition though. My Mom insisted that she would NOT use bottles.

She was nursing my brother and had plenty to go around. Well, my friends Mom

showed up with bottles in hand and my Mother promptly threw them away (or may

have given them back) reminding her friend of their agreement. I guess she

thought my Mom was joking, but agreed again...this time for real. They are

still good friends and talk about this at times.

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>Absolutely. I am not a criminal trying to breastfeed women's babies

>without their knowledge. She was happy that her babe wasn't left to

>scream.

Funny! My sister-in-law is planning on keeping my kids at her house when

we make our visit there -- hopefully this fall -- while DH and I take an

evening to ourselves and stay at a hotel. She was kidding that if

woke up during the night that she would nurse him... I just said, " Well,

I'd hope so! " :)

I figure that if someone were going to nurse my baby, or vice versa, they

better be someone I'd feel comfortable sharing a toothbrush with -- or

using their toothbrush in my baby's mouth. I don't typically share

toothbrushes, even with my hubby, but if I were in a spot where I needed

to, I could, ya know?? :D

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>It is not that at all. I am more just curious why you feel the way you do

>as I already know why I feel the way I do. LOL :D I am glad that you

>wrote on list as I have gotten more harsh responses off list. I was really

>just curious if you believed in milk banks. Feel free to ask my questions

>and don't worry about upsetting me, it is actually pretty hard to do. :D

You're kidding!

There have been many times where I have seen a baby/child who could benefit

greatly by the loving embrace of a nursing mom, and I find myself wishing I

were closer friends with this mother to suggest such a thing... that I

nurse her child if she can't. In reality, I haven't been around any

nursing moms who weren't able to nurse their own children, but would if I

felt close enough to them. Not for the " wet nurse " reasons, but because

that's what that child would expect from a mother substitute!

Think about all the " horror stories " childcare providers give about

breastfed babies... that this terrible child reached into a provider's

shirt... or this tiny baby latched onto her nose... or this child refused a

bottle and kept turning into her breast covered by her shirt. If the child

obviously has no hang-ups about breastmilk and it's perfectly safe for that

child, I think that child deserves to have continuity of care -- after all,

it's the same thing we expect in every other area of childcare...

Breastfeeding is the ultimate embrace. Every child should have one. :)

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>As strange as it may sound I don't think I would give him milk from a milk

>bank. I don't know much about Milk banks but the one I donated too just

>wanted me to fax them my blood work from my Ob. Who is to say that was even

>MY blood work I faxed them. Maybe some sick crazy person could donate milk

>who has some bad thing and pass it along to other children. (A long shot I

>know but I am goofy)

They still test your breast milk, Amy. Even the Red Cross when giving

blood will ask you what your blood type is. Eventually they test it for

themselves.

Banked breast milk is as safe as banked blood. I sure would prefer banked

blood to processed cow's blood... or donor blood directly from someone I

trust... you?

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>I think I would also be scared too of what my baby could catch from

>another, what if the mom ate or drank something my baby was allergic

>too? But I know I love her enough that if it came down to someone else

>nursing her, I would be thankful she didn't go hungry. Babies don't

>care who loves them as long as someone does : ) >)))>

How do you feel about tandem nursing siblings? They could pass something

between each other... just as easily as bottle-fed siblings who sneeze in

the same room... swap sips of each other's cups...

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> How do you feel about tandem nursing siblings? They could pass something

> between each other... just as easily as bottle-fed siblings who sneeze in

> the same room... swap sips of each other's cups...

>

>

What about thrush though? My sister wanted me to nurse her son while I

babysat but she'd had thrush. No thanks! That's the kind of thing that's

hard to get rid of when you've had it once. She's no longer nursing now

o( so it isn't an issue anymore.

Hannah(UK)

Mum to Bethany 5, Lawrence 3 1/2 and Verity 1 year

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In a message dated 6/26/99 11:28:36 PM Central Daylight Time,

PhilsGal@... writes:

<< About a week or two ago I took Philip to " Story Hour " at the local

library.

Well, we were sitting there on the floor and Philip decided he wanted to

nurse. No problem. All of a sudden I feel a little body leaning against me.

It was a little boy (I later learned had just turned a year old) He was all

snuggled up against me and I remember thinking how sweet! he must really

like

me!! <wink> I turned to look at his mother and she said, " You're nursing?

He

smells your milk. " Well, so much for him really liking ME. ; ) lol. Anyhow,

I

just thought that was the neatest thing. Here is a one year old who has

NEVER

met me before. He has absolutely no idea who I am yet he was as comfortable

as could be because he smelled breastmilk!! Wow! >>

Awww that is so sweet! This past Sunday I was out having brunch with some

friends of mine, one of whom has a 2 year old who still nurses at night and

in the morning. Davian was being VERY fussy so I tried to nurse him to

sleep. This two year olds grandmother was there also and she was taking care

of him at the time. Once he saw me start to nurse Davian he tried to lift up

his grandmothers shirt. She said, " You're not nursing off of me! " and we

all started laughing.

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In a message dated 6/28/99 9:54:22 PM Central Daylight Time,

angehowe@... writes:

<< I don't typically share

toothbrushes, even with my hubby, but if I were in a spot where I needed

to, I could, ya know?? :D >>

I would go without brushing my teeth before I used someone elses toothbrush

:) I have put tooth paste on my finger before and used it like a tooth brush

granted it doesn't work nearly as well but it's better than morning mouth :)

Amy

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Tiffani,

Last August, I was hospitalized with acute mastitis. When I sensed that

the physician in the ER was about to tell me that I couldn't breastfeed

my 7-month-old son because of mastitis (myth - breastfeeding should

continue!), I asked my husband to bring him in to me and position and

hold him while he nursed. It was the most relieving and satisfying

thing I could have done while I was in the ER watching time fly. The

staff's mouths hung open as they watched my baby nurse from the affected

breast, too!

Had I needed to have surgery on my breast to drain the abscess that

formed in matter of hours, it is unlikely that I would have been allowed

to nurse him at all. He would be at a huge loss as we had just moved to

another country, I had no milk stored and had never pumped for storage,

and he had never been given a bottle in his life. If someone had

offered to nurse him had I needed surgery, I would have been gratefully

relieved. Even if I had had a stash of breastmilk in the freezer, it

would have been unavailable to my child for several hours, as my husband

was with me, providing the information I was unable to provide to the

doctors (I was delirious with fever), and went with me from the military

clinic to the local national hospital nearly an hour away. The nurses

would have offered formula before he would have been offered my milk, or

donor milk.

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Sherry,

Thanks. I think it so great that you are pumping for her.

Wendi

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Wendi,

Thanks you for such a neat story. I guess I will gross people out also and

say that I have had someone nurse 1 time and I received milk from a

friend for Kaitlyn while I tried to relactate. I am now pumping milk for a

lady I met on another list that has real supply issues. I had never met

her til she picked up the first load. I am pumping 8-12 oz daily for her

child along with nursing my own boy. I would much rather go with human milk

then formula. I am sorry you had such a negative response here and

off-list. I think everyone should have posted to the list. Again what you

did is awesome! Don't let anyone tell ya different.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Sherry ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Mom to (8), (5), Kaitlyn (3), and 12/17/98

Also wife to Kenny!

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In a message dated 6/29/99 7:35:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

angehowe@... writes:

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Tiffani,

Last August, I was hospitalized with acute mastitis. When I sensed that

the physician in the ER was about to tell me that I couldn't breastfeed

my 7-month-old son because of mastitis (myth - breastfeeding should

continue!), I asked my husband to bring him in to me and position and

hold him while he nursed. It was the most relieving and satisfying

thing I could have done while I was in the ER watching time fly. The

staff's mouths hung open as they watched my baby nurse from the affected

breast, too!

Had I needed to have surgery on my breast to drain the abscess that

formed in matter of hours, it is unlikely that I would have been allowed

to nurse him at all. He would be at a huge loss as we had just moved to

another country, I had no milk stored and had never pumped for storage,

and he had never been given a bottle in his life. If someone had

offered to nurse him had I needed surgery, I would have been gratefully

relieved. Even if I had had a stash of breastmilk in the freezer, it

would have been unavailable to my child for several hours, as my husband

was with me, providing the information I was unable to provide to the

doctors (I was delirious with fever), and went with me from the military

clinic to the local national hospital nearly an hour away. The nurses

would have offered formula before he would have been offered my milk, or

donor milk.

>>

and i can understand what you are saying..just like I said for Wendi I

understood that she did what she had to do for her situation. And as far as

the bacteria thing...I didnt say it was rational. I was taking nursing

classes and I do know that what you guys are saying is true. At least

intellectually I know it...pyschologically is another thing...me & my

therapist have been working on it. (LOL was a time i wouldnt even type on

computer without first spraying it and wiping. not many people know how

trapped you thinking you have to live in a sterile world)

Tiffani

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Actually Goat milk is before cow's milk.

Wendi

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> Someone posted that formula is the 4th best choice for a baby-- someone help

> me out here

> 1-bm from the source

> 2- ebm

> 3??

> 4-formula

1 -- Breast milk from mother

2 -- Expressed milk from mother

3 -- Donor Milk (banked or shared/wet nurse)

4 -- Iron-fortified formula

5 -- Cow's milk, Goat's milk, non-iron-fortified formula

This is according to the 1997 Statement of the American Academy of

Pediatrics.

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