Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 > >> > >> Hi: > >> A little frustrated with the cluster class for Autism. They work as baby sitters more than anything, main reason my son is going to kindergarden is because he is able to see other children. > >> Does anyone know a good school for autistic child around Hollywood, City, etc. > >> Thank You, > >> Jeannette > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Try it now. > > > >The > >________________________________ > Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. Find out more. > > > >________________________________ > Ready for Fall shows? Use Bing to find helpful ratings and reviews on digital tv's. Click here. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 by "mainstreamed" do you mean thrown out at recess with another class of general ed. students? this does not set the child up for successful social interaction. In fact, most teachers use this time to talk to each other and/or put out fires. There is not usually social skills instruction at this time---even though research indicates this is when it is most valuable and needed. and lunch, is with their class (secluded) while the general ed. kids are with their respective classes but they call this "mainstreaming" From: Wihlborg Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:07 AM To: sList Subject: Re: Re: Clusters I have been reading the posts. My son is in a cluster and is mainstreamed for lunch and recess. He is doing good. To: deniseslist Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 10:25:32 AMSubject: RE: Re: Clusters Shirley, I'm not really concerned about the restrictive environment in reference to clusters because just by being in Special class, they are in a restrictive environment. Since they are in one, let's make the best of it. The cluster instruction is not the answer. To: sList@ yahoogroups. comFrom: shirlygilad@ yahoo.comDate: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 07:38:37 -0400Subject: RE: Re: Clusters Clusters are a restrictive environment. They are the extreme opposite to inclusion. IDEA states that children should be in a least restrictive environment. The argument is that in the cluster our kids can receive more intense therapy and services. The reality should be that they get all that they need but in an inclusive setting. Shirly Shirly Gilad BCBA,RN, FNP, MS Behavioral Therapy and then some. Work: Fax: shirlyshirlygilad (DOT) com www.shirlygilad. com From: sList@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:sList @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Nila BenitoSent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:00 AMTo: deniseslist@ yahoogroups. comSubject: RE: Re: Clusters The research says that clusters do not result in optimal outcomes for our kids. To: deniseslist@ yahoogroups. comFrom: gary00001msn (DOT) comDate: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:28:20 -0400Subject: RE: Re: Clusters I once heard a Behaviorist sat that he has never seen a cluster he liked. To: sList@ yahoogroups. comFrom: janvanoyyahoo (DOT) comDate: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 06:33:21 -0700Subject: Re: Re: Clusters Thank You. If anyone has more suggestions they are welcome Jeannette From: mytoothaches2003 <mytoothaches2003@ yahoo.com>To: sList@ yahoogroups. comSent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:09:42 PMSubject: Re: Clusters --WE CAN GIVE YOU 2 GREAT OPTIONS THAT WORKED FOR US. CHALLENGER ELEM. HAS A GREAT PRE-K PROGRAM MS. BARBARA IS AN ANGEL WITHOUT THE WINGS. THE OTHER OPTION IS SANDPIPER IN SUNRISE WHERE OUR SON NIKOLAS GOES SINCE KINDERGARTEN AND WE ARE VERY HAPPY THERE. GOOD LUCK!- In sList@ yahoogroups. com, jeannette vanoy <janvanoy@.. .> wrote:>> Hi:> A little frustrated with the cluster class for Autism. They work as baby sitters more than anything, main reason my son is going to kindergarden is because he is able to see other children. > Does anyone know a good school for autistic child around Hollywood, City, etc.> Thank You,> Jeannette> Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Try it now. The Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. Find out more. Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Lake Forest Elementary ESE Specialist: Kim Lloyd http://www.broward.k12.fl.us/lakeforestelem/ Good luck! Joyce >> Hi:> A little frustrated with the cluster class for Autism. They work as baby sitters more than anything, main reason my son is going to kindergarden is because he is able to see other children. > Does anyone know a good school for autistic child around Hollywood, City, etc.> Thank You,> Jeannette> Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Try it now. The Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. Find out more. Ready for Fall shows? Use Bing to find helpful ratings and reviews on digital tv's. Click here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 A child does not have to be "high functioning", whatever definition that is, to be in a typical classroom. According to the IDEA he/she has to be able to "receive and educational benefit" given the "proper supports and accommodations" There is a misconception out there that children who are disabled must be able to function at or near a typical child's level to be afforded the "right" to be with their typical peers. This is not correct. Unfortunately the schools do not typically do a good job at providing the "specialized education " a child needs in the typical classroom. Fran > > Hi: > A little frustrated with the cluster class for Autism. They work as baby sitters more than anything, main reason my son is going to kindergarden is because he is able to see other children. > Does anyone know a good school for autistic child around Hollywood, City, etc. > Thank You, > Jeannette > Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Try it now. The Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. Find out more. Ready for Fall shows? Use Bing to find helpful ratings and reviews on digital tv's. Click here. Bing brings you health info from trusted sources. Try it now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Generalizations are very difficult to use for children with autism. Your statement is not true for my child. Any setting is only as good as the people who are leading it, and the services rendered to the child. is high functioning and has a June birthday. I had him repeat 5th grade to give him some time to gain emotional maturity. In making this decision, we also opted for two to three hours of cluster time so he could be 1:1 with teachers and speech coach. THis was beneficial to his growth. Hilda Re: Clusters --WE CAN GIVE YOU 2 GREAT OPTIONS THAT WORKED FOR US. CHALLENGER ELEM. HAS A GREAT PRE-K PROGRAM MS. BARBARA IS AN ANGEL WITHOUT THE WINGS. THE OTHER OPTION IS SANDPIPER IN SUNRISE WHERE OUR SON NIKOLAS GOES SINCE KINDERGARTEN AND WE ARE VERY HAPPY THERE. GOOD LUCK!- In sList@ yahoogroups. com, jeannette vanoy <janvanoy@.. .> wrote:>> Hi:> A little frustrated with the cluster class for Autism. They work as baby sitters more than anything, main reason my son is going to kindergarden is because he is able to see other children. > Does anyone know a good school for autistic child around Hollywood, City, etc.> Thank You,> Jeannette> Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Try it now. The Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. Find out more. Ready for Fall shows? Use Bing to find helpful ratings and reviews on digital tv's. Click here. Bing brings you health info from trusted sources. Try it now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 I would like to see ABA (if needed), academics and social therapies (if needed) in the proportion that the child needs. Therefore a high functionng autistic child's needs would be a lot different than a severely autistic child. I would start with the academic area first. Oh my!! This would require thinking first and then planning and not the other way around! To: sList From: Wamtzem@...Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:40:56 -0400Subject: Re: Clusters To answer this: Should every kid on the spectrum in our schools receive 1 on 1 ABA therapy for their entire school day (most restrictive)?? or should every kid on the spectrum in our schools go into a general education classroom with every other kid in a much larger class all day(least restrictive )?? My opinion has for a long time been, they need both. Half day 1:1 in which to learn requisite skills, and then half day integrated within which to apply skills. Anyone else feel this way? To make them learn in a setting which is not condusive to their learning is insidious, as is not giving them an opportunity to learn from and apply learned skills with typical peers. Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 thank you Ms Montado- our hard work in the schools is often way undervalued!>> Hi:> A little frustrated with the cluster class for Autism. They work as baby sitters more than anything, main reason my son is going to kindergarden is because he is able to see other children. > Does anyone know a good school for autistic child around Hollywood, City, etc.> Thank You,> Jeannette> Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Try it now. The Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. Find out more. Ready for Fall shows? Use Bing to find helpful ratings and reviews on digital tv's. Click here. Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 I am very inform and remember... they get paid and need to do their jobThat is not FREE. Are you a cluster teacher? Jeannette To: deniseslist Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 3:48:41 PMSubject: RE: Re: Clusters I would be the last one to say that teachers in a special ed class are mere babysitters. But I'm the first to say that how things are taught could be better. To: sList@ yahoogroups. comFrom: montadojyahoo (DOT) comDate: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:31:59 -0700Subject: RE: Re: Clusters it appears as though those who are writing such posts do not seem to think about those that do work in clusters or have in the past. Do you realize what kind of slap in the face hearing that our HARD work is seen as purely babysitting? if babysitting is all that goes on in your child's classroom, then maybe you can do something; else like home school. If those who spent tens of thousands of dollars on schooling and better educating themselves in order to educate children with Autism are nothing more than babysitters, I that tells me that we have all wasted our time, your child's time, and our hard earned money. Nothing in life is perfect, but trust in the fact that babysitting happens at day care and "grandma's" house, not at school. Be sure when you post things, think about those it concerns and how others may feel when they read them. If you are not fully informed about any situation or curriculum or specifics in the federal and state laws; I would suggest you learn as much as you can before stating false or hurtful accusations.>> Hi:> A little frustrated with the cluster class for Autism. They work as baby sitters more than anything, main reason my son is going to kindergarden is because he is able to see other children. > Does anyone know a good school for autistic child around Hollywood, City, etc.> Thank You,> Jeannette> Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Try it now. The Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. Find out more. Ready for Fall shows? Use Bing to find helpful ratings and reviews on digital tv's. Click here. Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Please make sure that you know "freedom of expression is a right" and specially when I know and others also know from specific experiences. Please do not take it as accusations. That is a fact but does not apply to all clusters or all teachers from clusters.I have also positive experiences, out of 5 clusters only 2 did their job. If you are a cluster teacher and you practice your job with ethics, do not worry about please. I appreciate your understanding Thank You, Jeannette To: sList Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:31:59 AMSubject: RE: Re: Clusters it appears as though those who are writing such posts do not seem to think about those that do work in clusters or have in the past. Do you realize what kind of slap in the face hearing that our HARD work is seen as purely babysitting? if babysitting is all that goes on in your child's classroom, then maybe you can do something; else like home school. If those who spent tens of thousands of dollars on schooling and better educating themselves in order to educate children with Autism are nothing more than babysitters, I that tells me that we have all wasted our time, your child's time, and our hard earned money. Nothing in life is perfect, but trust in the fact that babysitting happens at day care and "grandma's" house, not at school. Be sure when you post things, think about those it concerns and how others may feel when they read them. If you are not fully informed about any situation or curriculum or specifics in the federal and state laws; I would suggest you learn as much as you can before stating false or hurtful accusations.>> Hi:> A little frustrated with the cluster class for Autism. They work as baby sitters more than anything, main reason my son is going to kindergarden is because he is able to see other children. > Does anyone know a good school for autistic child around Hollywood, City, etc.> Thank You,> Jeannette> Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Try it now. The Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. Find out more. Ready for Fall shows? Use Bing to find helpful ratings and reviews on digital tv's. Click here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 I would really like your input regarding clusters in my article... I hope you'll respond to the request I made earlier.: ) it appears as though those who are writing such posts do not seem to think about those that do work in clusters or have in the past. Do you realize what kind of slap in the face hearing that our HARD work is seen as purely babysitting? if babysitting is all that goes on in your child's classroom, then maybe you can do something; else like home school. If those who spent tens of thousands of dollars on schooling and better educating themselves in order to educate children with Autism are nothing more than babysitters, I that tells me that we have all wasted our time, your child's time, and our hard earned money. Nothing in life is perfect, but trust in the fact that babysitting happens at day care and " grandma's " house, not at school. Be sure when you post things, think about those it concerns and how others may feel when they read them. If you are not fully informed about any situation or curriculum or specifics in the federal and state laws; I would suggest you learn as much as you can before stating false or hurtful accusations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 I shouldn't have to home school my kid because his school can't get it together, are you serious? Did it ever cross anybody's mind that maybe if I felt there was something wrong with my kid's school I should talk to them and they should have it investigated and corrected? Why is all the responsibility on the parents? Aren't, or shouldn't the schools be responsible as well? There are many posts complaining about clusters, so that gives you something to think about. There's good teachers and bad teachers, good school and bad schools, that's all. I can be as informed as the next guy about the curriculum, if the school doesn't know how to implement it, then what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Hi everyone, I'd like to answer this one because its very important. When it is said, as below "Did it ever cross anybody's mind that maybe if I felt there wassomething wrong with my kid's school I should talk to them and they should haveit investigated and corrected," the answer is YES! If you feel there is something wrong with your child's class, first discuss it with the teacher. If there is no resolution, go to the school ESE Director. Still no resolution, go to the principal. If there is still an issue, at that point go to your area office. In my experience, many issues are resolved way before this point. I can't emphasize this too strongly: if you don't like something in your child's class, don't just complain about it, DO SOMETHING. And if the school, as said below, doesn't know how to implement something, offer to help. Get involved. We can't drop off our kids at the school house door, pick them up at the end of the day, and have no interaction in between. If we don't push for a solution, if we don't become part of the solution, then shame on us. Re: Clusters I shouldn't have to home school my kid because his school can't get it together,are you serious? Did it ever cross anybody's mind that maybe if I felt there wassomething wrong with my kid's school I should talk to them and they should haveit investigated and corrected? Why is all the responsibility on the parents?Aren't, or shouldn't the schools be responsible as well? There are many postscomplaining about clusters, so that gives you something to think about.There's good teachers and bad teachers, good school and bad schools, that's all.I can be as informed as the next guy about the curriculum, if the school doesn'tknow how to implement it, then what? Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:24 pm Show Message Option Up ThreadView SourceUse Fixed Width FontUnwrap Lines "bijcom" bijcom Offline Send Email Remove Author | Ban Author Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Agreed... It is important to have a positive relationship with the teacher, support staff and administration at the school. I don't believe these individuals, in general, purposefully try to exclude our kids. I think they don’t have the support and resources to do it appropriately. I believe most do the best they can with what they have....Hey, like us!!! From: Karp Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:31 PM To: Subject: Re: Clusters Hi everyone, I'd like to answer this one because its very important. When it is said, as below "Did it ever cross anybody's mind that maybe if I felt there wassomething wrong with my kid's school I should talk to them and they should haveit investigated and corrected," the answer is YES! If you feel there is something wrong with your child's class, first discuss it with the teacher. If there is no resolution, go to the school ESE Director. Still no resolution, go to the principal. If there is still an issue, at that point go to your area office. In my experience, many issues are resolved way before this point. I can't emphasize this too strongly: if you don't like something in your child's class, don't just complain about it, DO SOMETHING. And if the school, as said below, doesn't know how to implement something, offer to help. Get involved. We can't drop off our kids at the school house door, pick them up at the end of the day, and have no interaction in between. If we don't push for a solution, if we don't become part of the solution, then shame on us. Re: Clusters I shouldn't have to home school my kid because his school can't get it together,are you serious? Did it ever cross anybody's mind that maybe if I felt there wassomething wrong with my kid's school I should talk to them and they should haveit investigated and corrected? Why is all the responsibility on the parents?Aren't, or shouldn't the schools be responsible as well? There are many postscomplaining about clusters, so that gives you something to think about.There's good teachers and bad teachers, good school and bad schools, that's all.I can be as informed as the next guy about the curriculum, if the school doesn'tknow how to implement it, then what? Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:24 pm Show Message Option Up ThreadView SourceUse Fixed Width FontUnwrap Lines "bijcom" <bijcom> bijcom Offline Send Email Remove Author | Ban Author Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Absolutely. Parents need to work with the school and the teachers, that's why I was appalled by the suggestion that I should homeschool my kid if I didn't think the teachers weren't doing their jobs. What I need to do is get on their case and make sure they do. Every way I can. And teachers need to take a look at these responses and discussions regarding clusters or any other programs and try to see what could be wrong with the system. If you read a parent say they think their teachers are mere babysitters, what could be giving them this impression? Work with us, please. > > Hi everyone, > > I'd like to answer this one because its very important. > > When it is said, as below " Did it ever cross anybody's mind that maybe if I felt there was > something wrong with my kid's school I should talk to them and they should have > it investigated and corrected, " the answer is YES! If you feel there is something wrong with your child's class, first discuss it with the teacher. If there is no resolution, go to the school ESE Director. Still no resolution, go to the principal. If there is still an issue, at that point go to your area office. In my experience, many issues are resolved way before this point. > > I can't emphasize this too strongly: if you don't like something in your child's class, don't just complain about it, DO SOMETHING. > > And if the school, as said below, doesn't know how to implement something, offer to help. Get involved. > > We can't drop off our kids at the school house door, pick them up at the end of the day, and have no interaction in between. If we don't push for a solution, if we don't become part of the solution, then shame on us. > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Clusters > > I shouldn't have to home school my kid because his school can't get it together, > are you serious? Did it ever cross anybody's mind that maybe if I felt there was > something wrong with my kid's school I should talk to them and they should have > it investigated and corrected? Why is all the responsibility on the parents? > Aren't, or shouldn't the schools be responsible as well? There are many posts > complaining about clusters, so that gives you something to think about. > There's good teachers and bad teachers, good school and bad schools, that's all. > I can be as informed as the next guy about the curriculum, if the school doesn't > know how to implement it, then what? > > > > > > > > > > Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:24 pm > > Show Message Option > > > Up Thread > View Source > Use Fixed Width Font > Unwrap Lines > > > > " bijcom " bijcom > Offline > Send Email > > > Remove Author | Ban Author > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Teachers might be working hard but it does not mean that the children are receiving what they are entitled to under IDEA. I don't blame the teachers totally. I think it is their supervisors and the school district who do not provide the resources and proper training for these teachers. This makes their job much more difficult and may lend itself to chaos in the classroom.I can sympathize with some of the previous posts-Students in a cluster are supposed to receive the same educational benefit as their typical peers plus specialized and individualized instruction.Can anyone tell me that they do? I have never been to a cluster class that provided this. While levels and rate of progress may be different, cluster students are entitled to the same "amount" of instruction and other activities as their peers. I would actually say they should receive more since most require intensive instruction in order to make significant progress to appropriate grade level.Parents need to realize that education is business. There is always going to be some conflict of interest, especially when it comes to cost. I suggest that parents learn from sources outside the school system and their affiliates what their child is entitled to. Yes, it would be a beautiful thing if we could all sit together and discuss what is best for the child- it would be wonderful if everyone on the team really worked together to do what is best for the child-Unfortunately from my experience and countless other parents once a parent *disagrees* the school becomes adversarial. This typically happens when the parents learns of what their child "should" be receiving. Again- I do not blame the teacher as long as he/she is honest at IEP meetings as to what the child needs.Fran>> Hi:> A little frustrated with the cluster class for Autism. They work as baby sitters more than anything, main reason my son is going to kindergarden is because he is able to see other children. > Does anyone know a good school for autistic child around Hollywood, City, etc.> Thank You,> Jeannette> Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Try it now. The Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. Find out more. Ready for Fall shows? Use Bing to find helpful ratings and reviews on digital tv's. Click here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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