Re: My visit with a doc yesterday...

[Guest guest]

Let me tell you this, I have two DR's on my list both involved with the Broda

foundation by being on the list. That just means that they put their name

on the list, not that they all follow the same protocol. A good DR is a good DR

and what list they are on doesn't make them good. I also have called dozens of

Dr.'s on the so called Armour list and they prefer and prescribe Synthroid. It

is a way to get business and for most medicine is a money maker!

My visit with a doc yesterday...

I got his name from the Foundation. I don't THINK it's just me being

picky; I don't usually have a problem with people.

1) I waited more than a half-hour for my appointment. No big deal UNTIL *my*

time was up and he wanted to schedule a further appointment because I was

questioning some things... " and we can't keep the next patient waiting. " He

wrote (and said, as he was writing), " ...need to schedule another appointment

because patient does not understand. "

2) I felt he was rude, impatient, and interrupted constantly. Nor did I feel

that he paid attention. I'd filled out all of the forms, including a history of

the problem. He didn't pay attention to that, either. He'd ask a question that

had been answered, then would say, oh, yes, it did say that. I brought along

copies of labs from late June and early July, as well.

3) Stated " you are a very nervous person. " (Even my husband got a laugh out

of that...I'm USUALLY quite calm). My heart rate, when I got there was at 80,

which is now a little high for me and my bp was 128/70, which is down a bit for

me. I used to run a very low bp and that had gone up a bit in the last year or

so, but is improved. By the time he got around to listening to my heart, he

said, " Your heart is just racing. You are a very nervous person. " He said it

was at 115-120. I think I was a very frustrated person.

I'm one whose normal pulse was quite high before treatment and would have a

lot of irregular heartbeats, PVC's and PAC's, bursts of tachycardia, etc., such

that I was put on a Holter monitor, had an EKG and Echocardiogram done. Heart

was fine. I tend to have a return of these symptoms when my dose is not enough.

4) Said, " Your thyroid is fine. Why do you think you have a thyroid problem?

Your problems are caused by allergies. " I have NO idea where that came

from...there was a question on the questionnaire and I indicated that in the

fall, I have a bit of hayfever, but no problem this year. He said, " Your

tonsils are gone, that is from allergies. " My tonsils were removed over 39

years ago...as were 5 of my siblings'...it was very common at that time.

I have a (comprehensive) list of hypo symptoms, most of which are improving at

least somewhat and I indicated that by each one. He still zeroed in on the

joint pain and fatigue and said it's allergies.

The problems that he's attributing to allergies: fatigue, arthritis, puffy

eyes, " foggy head. " He wanted to do extensive bloodwork for food and other

allergies. Then later he said, " We'll do the bloodwork first, then if you don't

have allergies, we won't have done the expensive skin testing. " By afternoon,

I'm pretty well " shot, " feel like I've got no brain working at all, so it was

hard to keep up with him.

5) I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's in 1991 and have been on Synthroid since

and started on Armour in late July. I've shown a steady improvement since that

time, until about the last week and a half. I was wondering why a few of the

hypo symptoms are worsening. I'd upped the dose to 2.5 grains a little over two

weeks ago and didn't want to up again, so needed advice.

6) Paid no attention to low basal and low daily body temperatures. Basal

temps for me run 95.1 to 97, depending on where I'm at in my cycle. I've

actually hit 98 a couple of times during the day after being on Armour, but

usually run in the 96-97 range.

7) Said I'm in menopause because I have irregular periods. Fact is, for the

past seven years, periods had been getting closer together, down from 31 days to

12-18 and horribly heavy. That had gone back up to 27 days with treatment; THIS

month was 24 days and heavy again...which I considered a return of one of the

hypo symptoms.

Yes, I AM 49 but have had no signs yet, am still ovulating every month, from

the body signs...we'd used basal temperatures and rhythm method for, hm, over 10

years, so I'm familiar with the signs. (Blood) test of FSH was 5 in January.

8) Insisted on doing bloodwork again, despite that I'd brought along copies of

work done in late June, early July. He did not like my questioning that, just

gave me the sheet and said, " CHECK THAT! " on my copy...for all tests. I asked

about the thyroid testing, where the free T3 was...he said, " There. " I said,

" I see the free T4 (free thyroxine) but no free T3. " He said, " It's included in

that. CHECK THAT! " Well...from the prices, it was not included...the only

thyroid tests shown were tsh and free t4. Unless I'm mistaken? thyroxin IS t4?

(earlier work: tsh, 1.49, free t4, 1, free t3, 278. No antibody work was

done, despite requesting that). Yes, these ARE " in the normal range, " but I was

feeling really dreadful and had a lot of hypo symptoms. The original doctor

said tsh should be lower, free t4, higher and free t3, MUCH higher. And that's

certainly what I've been reading on the thyroid lists, about Hashi's.

I did not want to have cholesterol testing done again so soon, as it was done

three months ago and I've not been on Armour for long and wanted to wait a bit

and see if it had improved. He didn't like that, either.

10) Said, " Why are you taking all of these vitamins? Who told you to do

that? " I said, some (Centrum, B complex, EFA, calcium, E, C) I was taking on my

own; the others (magnesium and zinc) the other doctor told me to take. In

addition, I'm taking ferrous sulfate for low ferritin levels (9), on the

gynecologist's orders. (And I learned about the ferritin problems from these

thyroid lists! I'd asked the original doctor on three occasions to test that!

And she did not, finally saying, we don't need to worry about that).

I was taking vitamins due to not being able to eat, just not hungry...and

gaining on very few calories...it is still hard to eat more than twice a day.

And if I force it, I don't feel well...stuffed and eck.

I DO realize that thyroid problems may not be the only thing going on but

certainly being on Armour has helped immensely. I went to him more for help

with insulin resistance/hyperinsulinemia. He wanted to do blood testing on

that, too, to see WHY I've got the problem. He saw the testing that was done in

July and August for that already.

Sorry this is so long and rambling. I tried to remember everything and will

probably still come up with more.

, Wisconsin

[Guest guest]

wow, that is an awful experience, broda barnes foundation or not. i

guess you still have to wade through the bad ones.

you have to find someone else. this doctor isn't going to help you.

i'd be in fact, curious to know how he wound up on that list. you

should send your complaint, verbatim, to the foundation and have him

removed.

best,

baron

>

> I got his name from the Foundation. I don't THINK it's just me

> being picky; I don't usually have a problem with people.

>

> 1) I waited more than a half-hour for my appointment. No big deal

> UNTIL *my* time was up and he wanted to schedule a further appointment

> because I was questioning some things... " and we can't keep the next

> patient waiting. " He wrote (and said, as he was writing), " ...need to

> schedule another appointment because patient does not understand. "

>

> 2) I felt he was rude, impatient, and interrupted constantly. Nor

> did I feel that he paid attention. I'd filled out all of the forms,

> including a history of the problem. He didn't pay attention to that,

> either. He'd ask a question that had been answered, then would say,

> oh, yes, it did say that. I brought along copies of labs from late

> June and early July, as well.

>

> 3) Stated " you are a very nervous person. " (Even my husband got a

> laugh out of that...I'm USUALLY quite calm). My heart rate, when I

> got there was at 80, which is now a little high for me and my bp was

> 128/70, which is down a bit for me. I used to run a very low bp and

> that had gone up a bit in the last year or so, but is improved. By

> the time he got around to listening to my heart, he said, " Your heart

> is just racing. You are a very nervous person. " He said it was at

> 115-120. I think I was a very frustrated person.

>

> I'm one whose normal pulse was quite high before treatment and would

> have a lot of irregular heartbeats, PVC's and PAC's, bursts of

> tachycardia, etc., such that I was put on a Holter monitor, had an EKG

> and Echocardiogram done. Heart was fine. I tend to have a return of

> these symptoms when my dose is not enough.

>

> 4) Said, " Your thyroid is fine. Why do you think you have a thyroid

> problem? Your problems are caused by allergies. " I have NO idea

> where that came from...there was a question on the questionnaire and I

> indicated that in the fall, I have a bit of hayfever, but no problem

> this year. He said, " Your tonsils are gone, that is from allergies. "

> My tonsils were removed over 39 years ago...as were 5 of my

> siblings'...it was very common at that time.

>

> I have a (comprehensive) list of hypo symptoms, most of which are

> improving at least somewhat and I indicated that by each one. He

> still zeroed in on the joint pain and fatigue and said it's allergies.

>

> The problems that he's attributing to allergies: fatigue, arthritis,

> puffy eyes, " foggy head. " He wanted to do extensive bloodwork for food

> and other allergies. Then later he said, " We'll do the bloodwork

> first, then if you don't have allergies, we won't have done the

> expensive skin testing. " By afternoon, I'm pretty well " shot, " feel

> like I've got no brain working at all, so it was hard to keep up with

> him.

>

> 5) I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's in 1991 and have been on

> Synthroid since and started on Armour in late July. I've shown a

> steady improvement since that time, until about the last week and a

> half. I was wondering why a few of the hypo symptoms are worsening.

> I'd upped the dose to 2.5 grains a little over two weeks ago and

> didn't want to up again, so needed advice.

>

> 6) Paid no attention to low basal and low daily body temperatures.

> Basal temps for me run 95.1 to 97, depending on where I'm at in my

> cycle. I've actually hit 98 a couple of times during the day after

> being on Armour, but usually run in the 96-97 range.

>

> 7) Said I'm in menopause because I have irregular periods. Fact is,

> for the past seven years, periods had been getting closer together,

> down from 31 days to 12-18 and horribly heavy. That had gone back up

> to 27 days with treatment; THIS month was 24 days and heavy

> again...which I considered a return of one of the hypo symptoms.

>

> Yes, I AM 49 but have had no signs yet, am still ovulating every

> month, from the body signs...we'd used basal temperatures and rhythm

> method for, hm, over 10 years, so I'm familiar with the signs.

> (Blood) test of FSH was 5 in January.

>

> 8) Insisted on doing bloodwork again, despite that I'd brought along

> copies of work done in late June, early July. He did not like my

> questioning that, just gave me the sheet and said, " CHECK THAT! " on my

> copy...for all tests. I asked about the thyroid testing, where the

> free T3 was...he said, " There. " I said, " I see the free T4 (free

> thyroxine) but no free T3. " He said, " It's included in that. CHECK

> THAT! " Well...from the prices, it was not included...the only thyroid

> tests shown were tsh and free t4. Unless I'm mistaken? thyroxin IS

> t4?

>

> (earlier work: tsh, 1.49, free t4, 1, free t3, 278. No antibody work

> was done, despite requesting that). Yes, these ARE " in the normal

> range, " but I was feeling really dreadful and had a lot of hypo

> symptoms. The original doctor said tsh should be lower, free t4,

> higher and free t3, MUCH higher. And that's certainly what I've been

> reading on the thyroid lists, about Hashi's.

>

> I did not want to have cholesterol testing done again so soon, as it

> was done three months ago and I've not been on Armour for long and

> wanted to wait a bit and see if it had improved. He didn't like that,

> either.

>

> 10) Said, " Why are you taking all of these vitamins? Who told you to

> do that? " I said, some (Centrum, B complex, EFA, calcium, E, C) I was

> taking on my own; the others (magnesium and zinc) the other doctor

> told me to take. In addition, I'm taking ferrous sulfate for low

> ferritin levels (9), on the gynecologist's orders. (And I learned

> about the ferritin problems from these thyroid lists! I'd asked the

> original doctor on three occasions to test that! And she did not,

> finally saying, we don't need to worry about that).

>

> I was taking vitamins due to not being able to eat, just not

> hungry...and gaining on very few calories...it is still hard to eat

> more than twice a day. And if I force it, I don't feel well...stuffed

> and eck.

>

> I DO realize that thyroid problems may not be the only thing going on

> but certainly being on Armour has helped immensely. I went to him

> more for help with insulin resistance/hyperinsulinemia. He wanted to

> do blood testing on that, too, to see WHY I've got the problem. He

> saw the testing that was done in July and August for that already.

>

> Sorry this is so long and rambling. I tried to remember everything

> and will probably still come up with more.

>

> , Wisconsin

>

>

[Guest guest]

This doctor really has NO right to be on the Broda list. How in the

heck did he get on there?!

My visit with a doc yesterday...

>

> I got his name from the Foundation. I don't THINK it's just me

being picky; I don't usually have a problem with people.

>

> 1) I waited more than a half-hour for my appointment. No big deal UNTIL

*my* time was up and he wanted to schedule a further appointment because I

was questioning some things... " and we can't keep the next patient waiting. "

He wrote (and said, as he was writing), " ...need to schedule another

appointment because patient does not understand. "

>

> 2) I felt he was rude, impatient, and interrupted constantly. Nor did I

feel that he paid attention. I'd filled out all of the forms, including a

history of the problem. He didn't pay attention to that, either. He'd ask

a question that had been answered, then would say, oh, yes, it did say that.

I brought along copies of labs from late June and early July, as well.

>

> 3) Stated " you are a very nervous person. " (Even my husband got a laugh

out of that...I'm USUALLY quite calm). My heart rate, when I got there was

at 80, which is now a little high for me and my bp was 128/70, which is down

a bit for me. I used to run a very low bp and that had gone up a bit in the

last year or so, but is improved. By the time he got around to listening to

my heart, he said, " Your heart is just racing. You are a very nervous

person. " He said it was at 115-120. I think I was a very frustrated

person.

>

> I'm one whose normal pulse was quite high before treatment and would have

a lot of irregular heartbeats, PVC's and PAC's, bursts of tachycardia, etc.,

such that I was put on a Holter monitor, had an EKG and Echocardiogram done.

Heart was fine. I tend to have a return of these symptoms when my dose is

not enough.

>

> 4) Said, " Your thyroid is fine. Why do you think you have a thyroid

problem? Your problems are caused by allergies. " I have NO idea where that

came from...there was a question on the questionnaire and I indicated that

in the fall, I have a bit of hayfever, but no problem this year. He said,

" Your tonsils are gone, that is from allergies. " My tonsils were removed

over 39 years ago...as were 5 of my siblings'...it was very common at that

time.

>

> I have a (comprehensive) list of hypo symptoms, most of which are

improving at least somewhat and I indicated that by each one. He still

zeroed in on the joint pain and fatigue and said it's allergies.

>

> The problems that he's attributing to allergies: fatigue, arthritis,

puffy eyes, " foggy head. " He wanted to do extensive bloodwork for food and

other allergies. Then later he said, " We'll do the bloodwork first, then if

you don't have allergies, we won't have done the expensive skin testing. "

By afternoon, I'm pretty well " shot, " feel like I've got no brain working at

all, so it was hard to keep up with him.

>

> 5) I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's in 1991 and have been on Synthroid

since and started on Armour in late July. I've shown a steady improvement

since that time, until about the last week and a half. I was wondering why

a few of the hypo symptoms are worsening. I'd upped the dose to 2.5 grains

a little over two weeks ago and didn't want to up again, so needed advice.

>

> 6) Paid no attention to low basal and low daily body temperatures. Basal

temps for me run 95.1 to 97, depending on where I'm at in my cycle. I've

actually hit 98 a couple of times during the day after being on Armour, but

usually run in the 96-97 range.

>

> 7) Said I'm in menopause because I have irregular periods. Fact is, for

the past seven years, periods had been getting closer together, down from 31

days to 12-18 and horribly heavy. That had gone back up to 27 days with

treatment; THIS month was 24 days and heavy again...which I considered a

return of one of the hypo symptoms.

>

> Yes, I AM 49 but have had no signs yet, am still ovulating every month,

from the body signs...we'd used basal temperatures and rhythm method for,

hm, over 10 years, so I'm familiar with the signs. (Blood) test of FSH was

5 in January.

>

> 8) Insisted on doing bloodwork again, despite that I'd brought along

copies of work done in late June, early July. He did not like my

questioning that, just gave me the sheet and said, " CHECK THAT! " on my

copy...for all tests. I asked about the thyroid testing, where the free T3

was...he said, " There. " I said, " I see the free T4 (free thyroxine) but no

free T3. " He said, " It's included in that. CHECK THAT! " Well...from the

prices, it was not included...the only thyroid tests shown were tsh and free

t4. Unless I'm mistaken? thyroxin IS t4?

>

> (earlier work: tsh, 1.49, free t4, 1, free t3, 278. No antibody work was

done, despite requesting that). Yes, these ARE " in the normal range, " but I

was feeling really dreadful and had a lot of hypo symptoms. The original

doctor said tsh should be lower, free t4, higher and free t3, MUCH higher.

And that's certainly what I've been reading on the thyroid lists, about

Hashi's.

>

> I did not want to have cholesterol testing done again so soon, as it was

done three months ago and I've not been on Armour for long and wanted to

wait a bit and see if it had improved. He didn't like that, either.

>

> 10) Said, " Why are you taking all of these vitamins? Who told you to do

that? " I said, some (Centrum, B complex, EFA, calcium, E, C) I was taking

on my own; the others (magnesium and zinc) the other doctor told me to take.

In addition, I'm taking ferrous sulfate for low ferritin levels (9), on the

gynecologist's orders. (And I learned about the ferritin problems from

these thyroid lists! I'd asked the original doctor on three occasions to

test that! And she did not, finally saying, we don't need to worry about

that).

>

> I was taking vitamins due to not being able to eat, just not hungry...and

gaining on very few calories...it is still hard to eat more than twice a

day. And if I force it, I don't feel well...stuffed and eck.

>

> I DO realize that thyroid problems may not be the only thing going on but

certainly being on Armour has helped immensely. I went to him more for

help with insulin resistance/hyperinsulinemia. He wanted to do blood

testing on that, too, to see WHY I've got the problem. He saw the testing

that was done in July and August for that already.

>

> Sorry this is so long and rambling. I tried to remember everything and

will probably still come up with more.

>

> , Wisconsin

[Guest guest]

But thyrodi disease makes perimenopause a literal nightmare, and that has to

be taken into acct. I had enough sense to know that I WAS in perimenopause,

when I was still searching for answers, which turned out to be thyroid

disease. But, the female hormonal changes were a living nightmare of

anxiety, depression, all the other physical symptoms were exaggerated even

further, only because of thyroid disease. Have you seen women who breezed

through the perimenopausal yrs, with only a few minor things happen to them?

That's because they didn't have thyroid disease, so didn't have quite a s

far to " fall " through these changes. Estrogen Dominant women, women

basically without progesterone at all, do have much further to fall, and are

very lucky if they don't get thyroid disease before or during these yrs.

That doctor belittled her problems. May we take HIS upper lip and fold it

back over his head for lying about being a Broda doctor.

Re: My visit with a doc

yesterday...

>

>

> According to Dr Corio - the average age of menopause is 50. At

> 49 with periods changing most likely it is perimenopause.

>

> Louise

>

>

>

>

> > In a message dated 10/20/2004 9:50:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > LestatL382@y... writes:

> >

> > > At 49 with your periods changing you are in perimenopause

> >

> > but not necessarily. as i mentioned, i was the same way until

> proper

> > treatment...and then the periods changed back to normal and regular.

> > cindi

[Guest guest]

I will add that in that book there is a section on your thyroid and

how there are similiar symptoms.

Louise

> In a message dated 10/21/2004 9:12:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> marin@q... writes:

>

>

> It's a shame that gynecologists rarely ever mention to their

patients that

> extreme PMS/menstrual problems could be a hypo problem. Nor do

dermatologists

> mention it. Nor gasterontologists. Nor cardiologists. Nor

pulmonary

> specialists. Etc. Etc. One starts to think conspiracy theories

after a while...but

> maybe it is just uninformed. But it's a bit scary this is never

looked at for

> the origin of problems.

> Cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I had suffered from excruciating menstrual cramps for 28 years. For 8-10 hours

straight I would have diarrhea and nausea as I rolled on the floor in agony

swearing I must be trying to birth a thorny watermelon in a subzero deepfreeze.

It would take me several days to physically recover every month. I was given

antiprostaglandins and narcotics. Everything helped for a while and then no

more. I was told by a MALE doctor that he would not give anything stronger than

codeine for menstrual cramps. He needs to suffer in his next life with the sort

of cramping that periods can bring on! Since I have been on Armour, since this

past June, I have had mild periods with little to no cramping. Coincidence? I

don't think so. I expect even better when I am optimized.

Roxanna

North Star German Shepherd Dog Rescue Inc

northstargsdr@...

www.northstargsdr.org

Re: Re: My visit with a doc

yesterday...

In a message dated 10/21/2004 9:12:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,

marin@... writes:

> . But it was thyroid disease that

> made it such a nightmarish thing, with horrible swelling, the circulation

> being cut off to my thighs from fluid and swelling and blood clots during

> these hellish periods.

Yes. same here. I also tested very low in progesterone and have started

progesterone cream about a month ago. But I have been lucky in that the

menstrual problems stopped just with Armour. Interestingly enough, I have

found among

some younger folks that I think are low thyroid that the PMS/heavy periods is

a common problem. I also remember that my undiagnosed Hashi's mom has this

problem and the docs wanted her to have a hysterectomy, but she waited on

menopause. And another friend who has Hashi's had her swollen neck discovered

when

she was waiting on a D & C for heavy periods. I imagine all her problems were

also just the Hashi's.

It's a shame that gynecologists rarely ever mention to their patients that

extreme PMS/menstrual problems could be a hypo problem. Nor do dermatologists

mention it. Nor gasterontologists. Nor cardiologists. Nor pulmonary

specialists. Etc. Etc. One starts to think conspiracy theories after a

while...but

maybe it is just uninformed. But it's a bit scary this is never looked at for

the origin of problems.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

If I'd known what I know now, yes, no hyst, but I didn't know better at the

time. It was definitely thyroid, associated with not only progesterone, but

probably many things.

Re: Re: My visit with a doc

yesterday...

>

> In a message dated 10/21/2004 9:12:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> marin@... writes:

>

> > . But it was thyroid disease that

> > made it such a nightmarish thing, with horrible swelling, the

circulation

> > being cut off to my thighs from fluid and swelling and blood clots

during

> > these hellish periods.

>

> Yes. same here. I also tested very low in progesterone and have started

> progesterone cream about a month ago. But I have been lucky in that the

> menstrual problems stopped just with Armour. Interestingly enough, I have

found among

> some younger folks that I think are low thyroid that the PMS/heavy periods

is

> a common problem. I also remember that my undiagnosed Hashi's mom has

this

> problem and the docs wanted her to have a hysterectomy, but she waited on

> menopause. And another friend who has Hashi's had her swollen neck

discovered when

> she was waiting on a D & C for heavy periods. I imagine all her problems

were

> also just the Hashi's.

>

> It's a shame that gynecologists rarely ever mention to their patients that

> extreme PMS/menstrual problems could be a hypo problem. Nor do

dermatologists

> mention it. Nor gasterontologists. Nor cardiologists. Nor pulmonary

> specialists. Etc. Etc. One starts to think conspiracy theories after a

while...but

> maybe it is just uninformed. But it's a bit scary this is never looked at

for

> the origin of problems.

> Cindi

[Guest guest]

Hi, Louise, yes, I certainly would be in that stage. I've read her book...but

it's been a while and perhaps time to re-read.

I agree that period changes are a sign but have had horrible periods for about

nine years and developed fibroids to boot. The type of periods where I could

not leave the house and had to turn down work (subbed at the school) UNTIL

thyroid treatment. It's unbelievable how that resolved.

, Wisconsin

Re: My visit with a doc yesterday...

At 49 with your periods changing you are in perimenopause. There is a

fantastic book you might look into - The change before the change by

Dr Corio. She goes over the changes. (Cycle changes is one of

them. Including periods getting heavier.)

Louise

>

> 7) Said I'm in menopause because I have irregular periods. Fact

is, for the past seven years, periods had been getting closer

together, down from 31 days to 12-18 and horribly heavy. That had

gone back up to 27 days with treatment; THIS month was 24 days and

heavy again...which I considered a return of one of the hypo symptoms.

>

> Yes, I AM 49 but have had no signs yet, am still ovulating every

month, from the body signs...we'd used basal temperatures and rhythm

method for, hm, over 10 years, so I'm familiar with the signs.

(Blood) test of FSH was 5 in January.

>

> , Wisconsin

[Guest guest]

hehehe...I wasn't too impressed, either. <G> Except for being frustrated,

it didn't bother me so much as I'm on Armour and getting support here. Just

felt I " needed " a doc for the insulin problem.

Tonsils and thyroid? As in tonsillitis, etc.? I'm the oldest of seven children

and colds, sore throats, all that, were rampant in the family in winter

months...that's how we came to have tonsils out...and they did the four oldest

kids at one time...and roomed us all in the solarium in the hospital. Small

town, as I said.

As for periods, yes, they steadily worsened and the cycle shortened. I asked my

then-doc if hormone changes could be responsible and she said, nah, it's

probably your thyroid. Yet when she checked, the levels were of course

" normal. "

Then it was thought that it might be the fibroids causing the bleeding but

that's obviously not the case since I had such vast improvement on the Armour.

, Wisconsin

Re: My visit with a doc yesterday...

In a message dated 10/20/2004 1:45:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,

maryjohn@... writes:

> Sorry this is so long and rambling. I tried to remember everything and

> will probably still come up with more.

>

the doc sounds like an arrogant SOB (sorry - i only curse when folks tell me

doctor stories).

The part about tonsils...I'm like you...had them out when I was 5 (almost 49

too)... associates that with thyroid problems...an interesting

topic we might ought to discuss some time.

I always had allergies too...they are MUCH improved with Armour...I think the

problems you mentioned are low thyroid.

Especially the periods. I had gone from always being every 32 days down to

28 days in the two years before I was diagnosed...and heavy painful flow. All

that changed after two months of Armour. Back to 32 days and regular flow.

I swear - i don't know what to do with these doctors...they're keeping us

sick.

cindi

[Guest guest]

I'm going to call the Foundation and check into it a bit more.

Problem is, I'm waiting on that as I left my library book at the doctor's office

and will have to drive back over there to get it. Talk about a foggy head.

Didn't want to call until I retrieve it...

, Wisconsin

Re: My visit with a doc yesterday...

wow, that is an awful experience, broda barnes foundation or not. i

guess you still have to wade through the bad ones.

you have to find someone else. this doctor isn't going to help you.

i'd be in fact, curious to know how he wound up on that list. you

should send your complaint, verbatim, to the foundation and have him

removed.

best,

baron

>

> I got his name from the Foundation. I don't THINK it's just me

> being picky; I don't usually have a problem with people.

>

> 1) I waited more than a half-hour for my appointment. No big deal

> UNTIL *my* time was up and he wanted to schedule a further appointment

> because I was questioning some things... " and we can't keep the next

> patient waiting. " He wrote (and said, as he was writing), " ...need to

> schedule another appointment because patient does not understand. "

>

> 2) I felt he was rude, impatient, and interrupted constantly. Nor

> did I feel that he paid attention. I'd filled out all of the forms,

> including a history of the problem. He didn't pay attention to that,

> either. He'd ask a question that had been answered, then would say,

> oh, yes, it did say that. I brought along copies of labs from late

> June and early July, as well.

>

> 3) Stated " you are a very nervous person. " (Even my husband got a

> laugh out of that...I'm USUALLY quite calm). My heart rate, when I

> got there was at 80, which is now a little high for me and my bp was

> 128/70, which is down a bit for me. I used to run a very low bp and

> that had gone up a bit in the last year or so, but is improved. By

> the time he got around to listening to my heart, he said, " Your heart

> is just racing. You are a very nervous person. " He said it was at

> 115-120. I think I was a very frustrated person.

>

> I'm one whose normal pulse was quite high before treatment and would

> have a lot of irregular heartbeats, PVC's and PAC's, bursts of

> tachycardia, etc., such that I was put on a Holter monitor, had an EKG

> and Echocardiogram done. Heart was fine. I tend to have a return of

> these symptoms when my dose is not enough.

>

> 4) Said, " Your thyroid is fine. Why do you think you have a thyroid

> problem? Your problems are caused by allergies. " I have NO idea

> where that came from...there was a question on the questionnaire and I

> indicated that in the fall, I have a bit of hayfever, but no problem

> this year. He said, " Your tonsils are gone, that is from allergies. "

> My tonsils were removed over 39 years ago...as were 5 of my

> siblings'...it was very common at that time.

>

> I have a (comprehensive) list of hypo symptoms, most of which are

> improving at least somewhat and I indicated that by each one. He

> still zeroed in on the joint pain and fatigue and said it's allergies.

>

> The problems that he's attributing to allergies: fatigue, arthritis,

[Guest guest]

Dunno but I've read here and heard from another person that docs can just get

themselves put on the list. Or on any specialty.

,Wisconsin

My visit with a doc yesterday...

>

> I got his name from the Foundation. I don't THINK it's just me

being picky; I don't usually have a problem with people.

>

> 1) I waited more than a half-hour for my appointment. No big deal UNTIL

*my* time was up and he wanted to schedule a further appointment because I

was questioning some things... " and we can't keep the next patient waiting. "

He wrote (and said, as he was writing), " ...need to schedule another

appointment because patient does not understand. "

>

> 2) I felt he was rude, impatient, and interrupted constantly. Nor did I

feel that he paid attention. I'd filled out all of the forms, including a

history of the problem. He didn't pay attention to that, either. He'd ask

a question that had been answered, then would say, oh, yes, it did say that.

I brought along copies of labs from late June and early July, as well.

>

> 3) Stated " you are a very nervous person. " (Even my husband got a laugh

out of that...I'm USUALLY quite calm). My heart rate, when I got there was

at 80, which is now a little high for me and my bp was 128/70, which is down

a bit for me. I used to run a very low bp and that had gone up a bit in the

last year or so, but is improved. By the time he got around to listening to

my heart, he said, " Your heart is just racing. You are a very nervous

person. " He said it was at 115-120. I think I was a very frustrated

person.