Re: B12 & other B vitamins

[Guest guest]

hey sandy,

i followed shomon's multivitamin recommendations and got the fatigued

to fantastic powder formula and it ended up having iodine in it!

i was a little annoyed, frankly. she has info on her site about how we

should avoid iodine. there is also a link to iodine-free supplements

but few of them have the same amounts of the other stuff, and the link

is hard to find.

baron

>

> Caroline, I found sublingual B12 on the vitamin isle at Walmart

> (cheap). I don't take any supplements except the ones specifically

> mentioned for Thyroid patients. I don't do multi vitamins at all. My

> selenium, Co~Q10, folic acid, B6 and some others are all separate

> bottles. I think the most expensive one was the CO~Q10 and I've not

> bought anymore. Funds are low right now so that has a lot to do with

> it. Most of us with thyroid issues do tend to be low on Vit B's, &

> I've seen that repeatedly in posts, so I figured there must be

> something to it.

>

> I do have to say that when I was being overmedicated for the hyperT

> which turned into hypoT, I took a sneak peak into

> www.thyroid.about.com and saw what Shomon recommended (in her

> medicine cabinet). I figured that since she'd done so much work to

> enlighten us, she must know what she was talking about, so I just read

> her vitamins and as I found them, applied them to my daily life. That

> is when I did start feeling better, too, so I just stuck with what she

> suggested. She is the author of Living well with Hypothyroidism, and

> Living Well with Autoimmune disease. They are both great books and

> not expensive. I strongly suggest them as reading material &

> Amazon.com runs great prices on books, if you can't find them locally.

>

> SandyE~Houston

> Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

>

>

> I have B12 mixed in with other Bs & nutrients like folic acid &

> selenium. Don't know if it's working if I don't ingest it sublinguilly

> tho. I never could find the B12 sublingual by itself.

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[Guest guest]

i've parted with a lot of money, too, so i can ascribe to your opinion

on the matter. i also tend to be a bit wary of stuff you can't get at

stores and can only get from mail order or network marketing avenues.

they always claim to cut out the middleman to save you money but that's

a load of crap. and if the product is so amazing and is a

breakthrough, how come it's never gotten any press at all? stuff like

that. some of it is my cynicism, but some of it, i think, is

necessary.

baron

>

> Sorry, Baron, I should have mentioned that I don't take everything she

> suggested. I just saw a link one day and I'd been a member of the

> Graves_support board since my diagnosis with hyperT/graves so I knew

> about B vitamin problems for thyroid issues. I was on the atd's when

> I realized that I wasn't feeling better, but feeling a lot worse,

> along with quite a bit of weight gain, and that's when I started

> reading. I strictly went with what was there, that day, and I only

> focused on the B vitamins, and selenium, folic acid, and CO~Q10. I

> figured it wouldn't hurt to add that to all the B stuff my body might

> be short on. If what was on her list wasn't available local, I

> wasn't going to any extra trouble to get it. I never tried the

> fatigued to fantastic, and only recently remember reading about it,

> but can't tell you where, or what it does. I think there are enuff

> claims these days about things that will miraculously heal or cure us

> and I just don't buy it. I've parted with money on things in prior

> years that I'd never spend my hard earned money on today. I'm gonna

> have to do a search on this stuff you mentioned, just to see who sells

> it and what it actually helps.

>

> I also have to say, I'm not a big advocate of buying stuff that isn't

> available in the drugstore around the corner. I can't explain it, but

> I really tend to steer clear of anybody that sells something that is

> going to get me well. I've always been that way. There are tons of

> stuff out there, and I've not yet done any reading up on Fatigued to

> Fantastic, but it's just not something by the sound of it that I'd

> ever try. The most I'm going to go with at this point is, vitamins,

> my Armour, and that's about it. I was so unhappy once about the

> weight gain, I did buy an order of the Coconut Oil, which is still

> sitting in my kitchen. That was rare for me to do it, but I opened

> one jar, and it's still sitting there. lol. I'm just not big on a

> lot of so called, sure things that help with weight loss as they said

> the coconut oil does. I may use it one day, and experiment with it,

> but I've not yet decided on it. I think if I'd been thinking better

> that day, I might never have bought it. But I was extremely hypoT and

> was seeing a really crummy Endo and was desperate.

>

> SandyE~Houston

> Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

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>> I have B12 mixed in with other Bs & nutrients like folic acid &

>> selenium. Don't know if it's working if I don't ingest it sublinguilly

>> tho. I never could find the B12 sublingual by itself.

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[Guest guest]

Sorry, Baron, I should have mentioned that I don't take everything she

suggested. I just saw a link one day and I'd been a member of the

Graves_support board since my diagnosis with hyperT/graves so I knew about B

vitamin problems for thyroid issues. I was on the atd's when I realized that I

wasn't feeling better, but feeling a lot worse, along with quite a bit of weight

gain, and that's when I started reading. I strictly went with what was there,

that day, and I only focused on the B vitamins, and selenium, folic acid, and

CO~Q10. I figured it wouldn't hurt to add that to all the B stuff my body might

be short on. If what was on her list wasn't available local, I wasn't going to

any extra trouble to get it. I never tried the fatigued to fantastic, and only

recently remember reading about it, but can't tell you where, or what it does.

I think there are enuff claims these days about things that will miraculously

heal or cure us and I just don't buy it. I've parted with money on things in

prior years that I'd never spend my hard earned money on today. I'm gonna have

to do a search on this stuff you mentioned, just to see who sells it and what it

actually helps.

I also have to say, I'm not a big advocate of buying stuff that isn't available

in the drugstore around the corner. I can't explain it, but I really tend to

steer clear of anybody that sells something that is going to get me well. I've

always been that way. There are tons of stuff out there, and I've not yet done

any reading up on Fatigued to Fantastic, but it's just not something by the

sound of it that I'd ever try. The most I'm going to go with at this point is,

vitamins, my Armour, and that's about it. I was so unhappy once about the

weight gain, I did buy an order of the Coconut Oil, which is still sitting in my

kitchen. That was rare for me to do it, but I opened one jar, and it's still

sitting there. lol. I'm just not big on a lot of so called, sure things that

help with weight loss as they said the coconut oil does. I may use it one day,

and experiment with it, but I've not yet decided on it. I think if I'd been

thinking better that day, I might never have bought it. But I was extremely

hypoT and was seeing a really crummy Endo and was desperate.

SandyE~Houston

Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

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>

> I have B12 mixed in with other Bs & nutrients like folic acid &

> selenium. Don't know if it's working if I don't ingest it sublinguilly

> tho. I never could find the B12 sublingual by itself.

>

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[Guest guest]

Yet most of the " experts " say to ingest iodine for low thyroid. There are so

many contradictions it gets way too confusing. How's a person to know which are

the right recommendations & which aren't? By experimenting on oneself I guess.

What a challenge! Doubt I'm up to it anymore.

Re: Re: B12 & other B vitamins

hey sandy,

i followed shomon's multivitamin recommendations and got the fatigued

to fantastic powder formula and it ended up having iodine in it!

[Guest guest]

Yes, that's what I'm wondering about the lozenges too.

osteopaths are good all-round doctors. I used them a lot in years past. None

around here tho...drat. Nothing much else around here either for that matter.

I wonder if the organic flax seed I buy in bulk & then grind up in my coffee

bean grinder would be the same as the organic crushed kind? Nice to know if it

is tho. Then I could stop buying the Udo's which is way more expensive.

I just bought a new bottle of Udo's so will use that up & then try using only

the ground flax seed 2TBS x2/day. How will I know if it's working tho? I can't

tell any difference using both the Udo's & flax either. Wish that were the only

change I need to make.

Re: Re: B12 & other B vitamins

i wonder if the lozenges are the sublingual kind. i bought some zinc

lozenges and had to suck them and didn't like it. the price sounds

about right, though.

a very good supplement my new osteopath recommended me for my joint

pain was organic crushed flax seed. she said it's way more potent than

udo's oil or flax seed oil. it was 6.50 for a bag. take 2 tablespoons

2x a day. this can go right in your smoothies if you don't already

take it.

baron

[Guest guest]

Well you can't get Armour thyroid at stores. None I've ever seen anyway. So does

that make it a bad product too if one has to order it?

Re: Re: B12 & other B vitamins

i've parted with a lot of money, too, so i can ascribe to your opinion

on the matter. i also tend to be a bit wary of stuff you can't get at

stores and can only get from mail order or network marketing avenues.

they always claim to cut out the middleman to save you money but that's

a load of crap. and if the product is so amazing and is a

breakthrough, how come it's never gotten any press at all? stuff like

that. some of it is my cynicism, but some of it, i think, is

necessary.

baron

[Guest guest]

flax is goitenous and blocks the thyroid med

>

>Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>To: <NaturalThyroidHormones >

>Subject: Re: Re: B12 & other B vitamins

>Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 18:53:33 -0700

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah but the books I have, even the newer ones, don't say that. They just always

recommended taking iodine or kelp or stuff with iodine in it...period, no

further explanation. Makes sense what you're saying tho.

Re: Re: B12 & other B vitamins

the newest literature on iodine says you take it if you are hypothyroid

only from an iodine deficiency, and unless you live in the goiter belt

of the united states and avoid all salt and iodine, you don't have it.

otherwise, you avoid it, it can make you worse. varies from people

having to avoid it altogether, to those who just need to avoid taking

extra.

baron

[Guest guest]

Oh yeah, I've bought some of those " fad " items that don't work too. There's

bunches of stuff used to be on the market (prolly still is) that's harmful to

human beings. For weight loss there's Phen Phen (sp?) & Effedra...very bad for

the body/mind, which I never took. Luckily I never bought any of the ones

they've taking off the market tho. I research all the stuff I buy for what

ingredients are in it & if they're recommnded by health books I have here.

Sometimes they work, sometimes not. If not, I toss them.

Except L-tryptophan. I used to buy that to help me be more calm & sleep then

they took it off saying too many people got seriously ill taking it. Know what

tho? I still don't believe that. It's only an amino acid. I think maybe it was

the particular brand there was something wrong with at the time. Must have been.

So they ban a lotta stuff that's good for people too. In fact are trying to do

it with lotsa good natural nutritional products now. I think the pharmeceuticals

& AMA in collusion with each other don't want people self-medicating. Takes away

from their business of death, disease & suffering thru cutting & drugging too

much.

Well I ordered my Armour yesterday so when it comes & after I've taken it for a

while, we'll see if it's something I need or not by the way I feel on it.

Re: Re: B12 & other B vitamins

Caroline, your right, Armour, like any other prescription drug can't be bought

just anywhere. Baron and I were talking about something a little different.

There are many things offered out there to get into 'your wallet' and spend

'your money' that aren't going to do you much good, or will harm you. I'm sure

some of these people and companies make a small fortune before they eventually

peter out, and disappear. (Like metabolite 356 that was gonna help us all lose

weight and have energy) LOL. I bought into that one, cuz I was exhasted. Never

do it again. It was a fad, and an expensive one at that for the young girl who

sued them because of her stroke. They have gone bye bye. But you can bet they

made a killing off of it. I hope she sued them for everything they were worth.

That stuff was like a straight caffeine rush from what I remember! lol.

One thing is for sure, for all of us with thyroid issues though. If our

thyroids aren't working properly, nothing else in our systems are going to work

like they should. I'd rather save up my money and buy more Armour. I may be

singing a different tune if it ever stopped working for me, but the truth of the

matter is, it works pretty good for me. I can't discount that. I've not felt

this good since I can't remember when. I took a chance even thinking it would

help me, much less ordering it, but I kept Broda book and the good things

I heard about it in this group always uppermost in my mind. Hoping it would

work that way for me. I wanted to feel better. I'd love to think it's all in

my head, but it's just a little further down around the neck area. :-)

SandyE~Houston

[Guest guest]

Oh s---, wouldn't you know it? So I have to stop using ground flax seed too?

What next? What to do for essential oils then for inflammation, joint pain &

such then? I mean just about all the EFA oil formulas have flax in them.

Re: Re: B12 & other B vitamins

flax is goitenous and blocks the thyroid med

[Guest guest]

the artic ones uses from about.com don't have it. Later when you are

optimised and then able to add more meds to compensate, you can go back, but

it is better to be diligent in the beginning

>

>Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>To: <NaturalThyroidHormones >

>Subject: Re: Re: B12 & other B vitamins

>Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:27:54 -0700

>

[Guest guest]

We have no Whole Foods stores around here tho I used to shop there where I lived

3 years years ago. Guess I could try Sunflower for the Hemp oil. Didn't see any

in the dairy case with the other EFA oils tho.

Well, just another bunch of money & food/supplements down the drain I now have

to throw away cuz they're so awful for my health. Funny I bought them in a

health food store too. Guess that name can full ya. Guess a lotta things can.

Meantime I'm going broke here & throwing good food & supplements out by the

bagsful since I've been on this group. I just bought a few bags of grains & oat

bran cereal. Next I'll be told I can't eat those either.

Re: Re: B12 & other B vitamins

I also heard this about flaxseed.I take Hemp oil instead,it is supposed to

have better ratios of omega 3,6,9 in it.I buy it at Whole Foods in the refig

section.

[Guest guest]

Artic ones of what? Something got lost in the translation here I'm afraid.

Re: Re: B12 & other B vitamins

the artic ones uses from about.com don't have it. Later when you are

optimised and then able to add more meds to compensate, you can go back, but

it is better to be diligent in the beginning

[Guest guest]

Now that I am stable, I have added back the flax in my diet since it is good

for me. Just put it in the freezer for now.

>

>Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>To: <NaturalThyroidHormones >

>Subject: Re: Re: B12 & other B vitamins

>Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:31:32 -0700

>Well, just another bunch of money & food/supplements down the drain I now

>have to throw away cuz they're so awful for my health. Funny I bought them

>in a health food store too. Guess that name can full ya. Guess a lotta

>things can.

Meantime I'm going broke here & throwing good food & supplements out by the

bagsful since I've been on this group. I just bought a few bags of grains &

oat bran cereal. Next I'll be told I can't eat those either.

[Guest guest]

I think it's different strokes for different folks about this stuff. We have to

decide for oursevles, via how we feel & what our intuitive body/mind is telling

us for the different types of food restrictions or allowances I think. At least

I'm going in that direction. I believe the flax has been helping me with a lot

of things, not just a bit of joint pain relief.

Re: Re: B12 & other B vitamins

i don't know if it's ok to just take it separately from the thyroid

meds. my osteo told me to avoid soy but recommended the flax seed for

joint pain.

b

[Guest guest]

hi,

i too latched onto the f to f powder. i stopeed doing the powder

only because i was too tired and running late in the mornings and had

to get to work. yada.... i started to think jeez i am wasting $$

but then i read the label for about th 100th time and i saw the

iodine! yikes. much confusion!??? i had been off of f to f for

about 4 or 5 days unintentionally, comprehended the label and then

chose to not take it for about 3 days now and --WHAMO-- jazzed girl!

is it just a coincidence or is there a connection? hell, i don't

care--- that depression is still cracked and will never get a hold

on me again! oink x infinity.

kathryn

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> >

> > Caroline, I found sublingual B12 on the vitamin isle at Walmart

> > (cheap). I don't take any supplements except the ones

specifically

> > mentioned for Thyroid patients. I don't do multi vitamins at

all. My

> > selenium, Co~Q10, folic acid, B6 and some others are all

separate

> > bottles. I think the most expensive one was the CO~Q10 and I've

not

> > bought anymore. Funds are low right now so that has a lot to do

with

> > it. Most of us with thyroid issues do tend to be low on Vit B's,

&

> > I've seen that repeatedly in posts, so I figured there must be

> > something to it.

> >

> > I do have to say that when I was being overmedicated for the

hyperT

> > which turned into hypoT, I took a sneak peak into

> > www.thyroid.about.com and saw what Shomon recommended (in

her

> > medicine cabinet). I figured that since she'd done so much work

to

> > enlighten us, she must know what she was talking about, so I just

read

> > her vitamins and as I found them, applied them to my daily life.

That

> > is when I did start feeling better, too, so I just stuck with

what she

> > suggested. She is the author of Living well with Hypothyroidism,

and

> > Living Well with Autoimmune disease. They are both great books

and

> > not expensive. I strongly suggest them as reading material &

> > Amazon.com runs great prices on books, if you can't find them

locally.

> >

> > SandyE~Houston

> > Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

> >

> >

> > I have B12 mixed in with other Bs & nutrients like folic acid

&

> > selenium. Don't know if it's working if I don't ingest it

sublinguilly

> > tho. I never could find the B12 sublingual by itself.

> >

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