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I have been trying not to be offensive, or be offending, on another message

board, and am ready for some back up... lol My flame gear is getting a bit

worn in spots!! Come to http://forums.delphi.com/ultimatebaby/messages --

you will need to register (free) in order to post. I hope lots of you stop

in and help these moms who think that formula is just as good as breast

milk! Ugh. Tonight even the board manager wrote to say that she will be

bottle feeding if/when she has babies.

See, now this is a direct result of this formula fed generation's effect of

lowered IQs! >:) (sarcasm heavy!)

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In a message dated 5/28/99 7:42:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

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<< I have been trying not to be offensive, or be offending, on another message

board, and am ready for some back up... lol My flame gear is getting a bit

worn in spots!! >>

,

I went and read the posts... All I can say is WOW! You are awesome!!! : )

It's sad how some people just don't get it!! Oh well. i think you did an

amazing job of responding to them!

Dana -mommy to Philip ph 9/17/97

Btw, I *had* to add a post (or two) of my own!! ; )

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Personally I loved your posts. I was laughing through each one just picturing

Dianes face. : ) I was not as brave as you to post my feelings so " openly " ...

I admire you for it!! I just don't think I could come up with response to

make them really think. (as you did)

Keep up the great work!! We're all behind you!!!

Dana : )

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<< Was I really opinionated? I tried so hard to stay away from I FEEL or I

THINK statements... who cares. There just isnt any evidence to back up

what these guys say, and the board manager came right out on the Attack

Bandwagon to say that she has read ALL of the research behind breastfeeding

and wants to bottle feed. Betcha she hadnt read the ones I posted tonight.

:D

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I am sorry I just don't have the energy right now to convince someone of

their stupidity. I wish you good luck and if you sway one woman you have

done a great service.

Wendi

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I have been trying not to be offensive, or be offending, on another message

board, and am ready for some back up... lol My flame gear is getting a bit

worn in spots!! Come to http://forums.delphi.com/ultimatebaby/messages --

you will need to register (free) in order to post. I hope lots of you stop

in and help these moms who think that formula is just as good as breast

milk! Ugh. Tonight even the board manager wrote to say that she will be

bottle feeding if/when she has babies.

See, now this is a direct result of this formula fed generation's effect of

lowered IQs! >:) (sarcasm heavy!)

At 07:09 PM 5/28/99 , you wrote:

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In a message dated 5/28/99 7:37:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

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<< Loved the car seat analogy- Can I steal that?? >>

so did I!!!! That is the #1 reason I hear for bottlefeeding especialy from

girls my age " I was bottle fed and so were all my brothers and sisters and

we're fine!'

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<< formula will be by

prescription only!! >>

tha's what I always tell people!!! Formula is needed by SOME mothers and

babies and should be used only as a last resort or for adopted babies and

orphans---not women who think its " icky " or dont want to be " tied down "

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No problem. It would just be kewl to see a bunch of " breastfeeding nazis, "

as one mom there put it, come by and give their two cents. :)

Hey, hows your friend's daughter doing? I cannot get her out of my mind,

or her situation. What was going on between the dad and his own daughter?

Surely more than this one instance will be surfacing soon. So sad to hear

about it, especially when it's someone you know!

Thoughts are with you and your friends!

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I read the thread, and you did a great job of conveying information. I'm

afraid that I would just turn them off more. I'm a little too militant and

emotional on the subject. From what I read, these women have their minds

made up and more information will only make them close their minds more.

IME, women who are that staunch about bottle-feeding have some real issues

to deal with- and only those close to them have any ability to sway their

opinions. (I couldn't even get my SIL to consider it)

Loved the car seat analogy- Can I steal that??

Keep fighting the good fight- hopefully, in the future, formula will be by

prescription only!!

Tammy

>

>

> I have been trying not to be offensive, or be offending, on

> another message

> board, and am ready for some back up... lol My flame gear is

> getting a bit

> worn in spots!! Come to http://forums.delphi.com/ultimatebaby/messages --

> you will need to register (free) in order to post. I hope lots

> of you stop

> in and help these moms who think that formula is just as good as breast

> milk! Ugh. Tonight even the board manager wrote to say that she will be

> bottle feeding if/when she has babies.

>

> See, now this is a direct result of this formula fed generation's

> effect of

> lowered IQs! >:) (sarcasm heavy!)

>

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She is coping at this point. She is back east with her dad and will be

coming to the west coast in a couple weeks to be with mom. She is in

counseling through rape crisis and department of social services. She is

also finishing her finals at her request. Her older sister is taking much

harder at this point. They are both coming here. The older sister is

friends with the brother of the girl where she stayed the night so it is a

hard situation all the way around. I would have to suspect that he has

done this to others. DNA tests are pending and he has denied the whole

thing. Thanks for asking. I have been supporting her mom a lot. It is

very hard for her to be here but the money for a plane ticket will go a

long way to get ready for their arrival.

Wendi

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No problem. It would just be kewl to see a bunch of " breastfeeding nazis, "

as one mom there put it, come by and give their two cents. :)

Hey, hows your friend's daughter doing? I cannot get her out of my mind,

or her situation. What was going on between the dad and his own daughter?

Surely more than this one instance will be surfacing soon. So sad to hear

about it, especially when it's someone you know!

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You guys are awesome! Thanks Dana for posting! At least the first woman

who bit my head off (Diane) for disagreeing with her has started to soften.

:)

The car seat analogy is free to glean... we might wanna stick it here for

others to think about as well. In a nutshell, using a car seat is to

breastfeeding as lap-holding is to formula feeding... but I had to spell it

out for these people, then they told me it was just ridiculous since a car

seat was the LAW!

Was I really opinionated? I tried so hard to stay away from I FEEL or I

THINK statements... who cares. There just isnt any evidence to back up

what these guys say, and the board manager came right out on the Attack

Bandwagon to say that she has read ALL of the research behind breastfeeding

and wants to bottle feed. Betcha she hadnt read the ones I posted tonight.

:D

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I don't think you were opinionated at all. They were just defensive before

you got there. Think of the mentality. " I know this is good for my baby, but

I'm not going to do it because I don't like the idea of it. " There has got

to be lots of guilt buried there, not that they'd ever admit it. When you

come along and point out facts as you did, defensiveness kicks in.

Think of smokers. They know it's bad, they know they should quit- but don't

want to try. When someone starts telling them the benefits of quitting- they

hear " blah, blah blah blah blah. " I think a lot of women on that board have

this mentality. AND I think the woman who currently bottlefeeds but regrets

quitting b/feeding could have a lot more impact on their decisions that a

confirmed breastfeeder. Which is why I didn't post.

Today my friend decided to convert to cloth diapers after she saw my cute

little dipes. All I could think was, I wish it was this easy to convince

people to b/f. We need to invent some cute litte breastfeeding accessories

to appeal to the consumerism out there!!

Tammy

>>

>

>

> You guys are awesome! Thanks Dana for posting! At least the first woman

> who bit my head off (Diane) for disagreeing with her has started

> to soften.

> :)

>

> The car seat analogy is free to glean... we might wanna stick it here for

> others to think about as well. In a nutshell, using a car seat is to

> breastfeeding as lap-holding is to formula feeding... but I had

> to spell it

> out for these people, then they told me it was just ridiculous since a car

> seat was the LAW!

>

> Was I really opinionated? I tried so hard to stay away from I FEEL or I

> THINK statements... who cares. There just isnt any evidence to back up

> what these guys say, and the board manager came right out on the Attack

> Bandwagon to say that she has read ALL of the research behind

> breastfeeding

> and wants to bottle feed. Betcha she hadnt read the ones I

> posted tonight.

> :D

>

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That is just so sad. Dont forget to take a few minutes to yourself, Wendi.

Crawl in a hot tub with some floating candles and some wine. Slip away at

some point. Have a good cry. This is alot for anyone to take on!!

Thank goodness for friends like you!! :*

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Thanks Tammy... I needed to hear that. :)

You know, I wanted to do cloth diapers so bad... but didnt have a clue. I

went to K-Mart when I was pg with my first child and bought 6 dozen Birds

Eye diapers, pins, pail, Borax... and he was cloth diapered for a few

weeks... but the diapers didnt hold up, and by then I couldnt afford to buy

that many again.

I have never lived in a city with a diapering service. Too bad there arent

more of those. Maybe I should think about a home business. :)

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Well those who think it is as healthy to bottle feed are severly wrong

unless you have a condition that prevents you from doing this! I

totally agree w/ you angela! Sue:) ps its yours and my and I am sure

alot of others opinion so don't worry about offending people! Sue:)

On Fri, 28 May 1999 22:13:39 +0000 Howell

writes:

>

>

>I have been trying not to be offensive, or be offending, on another

>message

>board, and am ready for some back up... lol My flame gear is getting

>a bit

>worn in spots!! Come to

>http://forums.delphi.com/ultimatebaby/messages --

>you will need to register (free) in order to post. I hope lots of you

>stop

>in and help these moms who think that formula is just as good as

>breast

>milk! Ugh. Tonight even the board manager wrote to say that she will

>be

>bottle feeding if/when she has babies.

>

>See, now this is a direct result of this formula fed generation's

>effect of

>lowered IQs! >:) (sarcasm heavy!)

>

>

>

>At 07:09 PM 5/28/99 , you wrote:

>>

>>

>>I need adult conversation Help I am lonely! Sue:)

>>Sue O'Connor/ 50 Forrester Street/Newburyport Ma 01950

>>E-Mail - Sueinnbpt@...

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Why? I didn't catch previous email! Sue:) Did I offend you? Sue:)

On Fri, 28 May 1999 20:17:32 EDT Phawxsee@... writes:

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>now im thouroughly pissed!

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>Why? I didn't catch previous email! Sue:) Did I offend you? Sue:)

>

>On Fri, 28 May 1999 20:17:32 EDT Phawxsee@... writes:

>>From: Phawxsee@...

>>

>>now im thouroughly pissed!

Sue,

Im guessing that its the current attitude that premarital sex means that

all future opinions are null and void, according to the person who posted

that!

I had written that I am thankful that breast milk has great anti-microbial

qualities since I worked as an EMT in 1989 -- a time before precautions

were very good to protect hospital workers against infection. It could

have turned up in my system at any time during any of my pregnancies, and

not as a result of sex, but blood and body fluid on-the-job contamination.

This mom (Diane) on the Ultimate Baby board assumed that I was at high-risk

for HIV because I must have had pre-marital sex, and because she thought

this, all my opinions were ridiculous... or to that effect. Apparently she

has slinked off into other parts of the web...

Hey Amber... was that you posting on the Ultimate Baby board? If so --

wonderful comments! :)

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>>Hey Amber... was that you posting on the Ultimate Baby board? If so --

>>wonderful comments! :)

>>

I did post, thanks! I had never been to those boards before and they look

like fun. How do you get that signature at the end of your posts? I tried

to include a picture and it doesn't work =(

~~ Amber ~~

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Wait a minute here! Am I hearing this right? Are you guys saying that it

is unhealthy to bottle feed over breast feeding????????? What if the mother

had no choice but to bottle feed her child????? I mean there are people out

there like that and I for one was like that with my son, Brent. I did try

him on the breast, but because of medical reasons it didn't work and he had

lost more weight then normal.

Re: Quiet today huh!

>

>

>

>

> Well those who think it is as healthy to bottle feed are severly wrong

> unless you have a condition that prevents you from doing this! I

> totally agree w/ you angela! Sue:) ps its yours and my and I am sure

> alot of others opinion so don't worry about offending people! Sue:)

>

> On Fri, 28 May 1999 22:13:39 +0000 Howell

> writes:

> >

> >

> >I have been trying not to be offensive, or be offending, on another

> >message

> >board, and am ready for some back up... lol My flame gear is getting

> >a bit

> >worn in spots!! Come to

> >http://forums.delphi.com/ultimatebaby/messages --

> >you will need to register (free) in order to post. I hope lots of you

> >stop

> >in and help these moms who think that formula is just as good as

> >breast

> >milk! Ugh. Tonight even the board manager wrote to say that she will

> >be

> >bottle feeding if/when she has babies.

> >

> >See, now this is a direct result of this formula fed generation's

> >effect of

> >lowered IQs! >:) (sarcasm heavy!)

> >

> >

> >

> >At 07:09 PM 5/28/99 , you wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >>I need adult conversation Help I am lonely! Sue:)

> >>Sue O'Connor/ 50 Forrester Street/Newburyport Ma 01950

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<< >now im thouroughly pissed! >>

NOOOOOOO----IM SORRY!!! IT WAS ABOUT THOSE BOTTLE FEEDING MOMS ON THAT BOARD

THAT ANGELA TOLD US ABOUT--NOT YOU HONEY!!

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thanks I needed to hear that. Sometimes I just don't allow myself time to

decompress. I am always in full support mode and forget to support myself.

It has been rough. Last night didn't help. I just have to vent for a

second. I put Zaid to sleep (took over an hour) and then finally got Kaija

to sleep and was about to collaspe into bed. I went in my room and Zaid

was sleeping half on my bed and half on his. He had pooped and it had run

out of his diaper and EVERYWHERE. It took us about 20 minutes to get him

all cleaned up, the bed cleaned up, remade and Zaid nursed back to sleep.

What a nightmare. Then he woke up at 7:00am which is much earlier than

usual. I am brain dead today. Thanks for listening.

Wendi

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That is just so sad. Dont forget to take a few minutes to yourself, Wendi.

Crawl in a hot tub with some floating candles and some wine. Slip away at

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>thanks I needed to hear that. Sometimes I just don't allow myself time to

>decompress. I am always in full support mode and forget to support myself.

I believe in People First, and Things Second... in this case, this

situation can qualify as a Thing at some point. :)

> It has been rough. Last night didn't help. I just have to vent for a

>second. I put Zaid to sleep (took over an hour) and then finally got Kaija

>to sleep and was about to collaspe into bed. I went in my room and Zaid

>was sleeping half on my bed and half on his. He had pooped and it had run

>out of his diaper and EVERYWHERE. It took us about 20 minutes to get him

>all cleaned up, the bed cleaned up, remade and Zaid nursed back to sleep.

> What a nightmare. Then he woke up at 7:00am which is much earlier than

>usual. I am brain dead today. Thanks for listening.

Hey, we had similar nights... s diaper overflowed... with pee... but

I just bought a pillow top on my bed, and his butt was right in the middle

of where my shoulders normally go while his head was in his bed. :)

Fortunately, when he woke up early, I told him to go wake up , and he

did. :D

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Kaija and Zaid need monitoring. Well not Kaija but she doesn't pay close

enough attention to him. He wreaks all kinds of terror if I am not there.

Luckily, Jenabe got up with him and I slept until 8:30 but I am tired.

Now he's napping. Yeah.

Wendi

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>thanks I needed to hear that. Sometimes I just don't allow myself time to

>decompress. I am always in full support mode and forget to support

myself.

I believe in People First, and Things Second... in this case, this

situation can qualify as a Thing at some point. :)

> It has been rough. Last night didn't help. I just have to vent for a

>second. I put Zaid to sleep (took over an hour) and then finally got

Kaija

>to sleep and was about to collaspe into bed. I went in my room and Zaid

>was sleeping half on my bed and half on his. He had pooped and it had run

>out of his diaper and EVERYWHERE. It took us about 20 minutes to get him

>all cleaned up, the bed cleaned up, remade and Zaid nursed back to sleep.

> What a nightmare. Then he woke up at 7:00am which is much earlier than

>usual. I am brain dead today. Thanks for listening.

Hey, we had similar nights... s diaper overflowed... with pee... but

I just bought a pillow top on my bed, and his butt was right in the middle

of where my shoulders normally go while his head was in his bed. :)

Fortunately, when he woke up early, I told him to go wake up , and he

did. :D

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<< ,

Kaija and Zaid need monitoring. Well not Kaija but she doesn't pay close

enough attention to him. He wreaks all kinds of terror if I am not there.

Luckily, Jenabe got up with him and I slept until 8:30 but I am tired.

Now he's napping. Yeah.

>>

Wendi--

OK, I've never asked before but I'm dying to know who Jenabe is???? I've

read several posts about this Jenabe and it's killing me. LOL

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