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[Guest guest]

Ginny,

Welcome to the group. You'll find lots of great info here. I wish I had

joined before we started the diet!

ashley

mom to , age 4 1/2, possible LGS, autism, keto kid since 5/02

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To: ketogenic

Subject: New

Date: Fri, Mar 1121, 1220032002, 13:57 AM

Hi. Thought I'd join as may need support in the future. We have 10

year old girl diagnosed 5 1/2 years, tried Gabapentin, Nootropil,

Lamotrogine to no good effect. Now on a mix of Topiramate and

Epilim. Hoping to be able to start the diet in May. So far,

seizures not well controlled. Many hundreds of absences through the

day, but nocturnal seizures controlled for nearly 3 years (touch

wood). She also has learning difficulties and co-ordination

probelms, possibly dyspraxia, but whether dut to the epilepsy, high

dosage or something esle, do not know.

Ginny

[Guest guest]

I am new to the group. I have been coming to this approach slowly over

many years. I don't over eat anymore or deprive myself. I honor hunger

and fullness. I reread the book recently because I have felt the

temptation to go on a diet because I am about 30-40 lbs overweight. My

doctor keeps telling me to loose weight because of high cholesterol,

ect. I have not exercised in a long time, but when I did I didn't

loose. I am frustrated with the slow weight gain. I also feel at a loss

because I can't diet, which I could never stick to anyway, and I don't

seem to loose weight even when I exercise. I take that back. I lost

when I did a lot of very hard exercise 5 days a week. I am a lot older

now and unable to do that kind of exercise. I guess I am discouraged

that the weight will ever come off. Any suggestions would be wonderful.

Maybe some of you could share what kind of exercise you do and how much

is reasonable for weight loss. I have given up being thin, I just need

to do this to be healthy. Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Hi and welcome. I think the best response I've read here regarding

exercise has been to keep it as 'intuitive' as possible too I'm not

a great person to do exercise for the sake of either losing weight or

even because I 'should' do it. I have been a very physically active

person most of my life (I'm 58) but have slowed down in the last few

years due to age related reasons as well as quite frankly, I deserve

to kick back some too!

I hear ya when you write about doctors and their 'knee-jerk' response

to a shopping list of ailments - lose weight. I've come to think that

its mainly what they can say when they don't have anything else to

'offer'. And what cracks me up is that I pretty much weighed 120-130#

until I was 40+ and then started to 'creep' up some each year after

that. Now that I'm more like 170#, my doctor says - well after age 40

140# would be a 'good weight' for you. So let me get this straight -

120# until 40, then shooting up to 140# is OK, but OH MY!!! 170# is

like outrageous and dangerous etc!?!

Well I since I have been reading more broadly along the IE (non-diet)

lines, I think most of these numbers are pretty much phooey anyway.

I'm 58, not 25 and now I look more like my grandmothers - somehow I'm

not surprised. And since I've done IE for a some time, while my weight

hasn't adjusted greatly, my blood pressure and eating patterns/choices

have improved to my greater happiness. So weight will wait and as long

as I feel like I can move as I want, extra exercise isn't making my

to-do list.

Katcha

IEing since March 2007

>

> I am new to the group. I have been coming to this approach slowly over

> many years. I don't over eat anymore or deprive myself. I honor hunger

> and fullness. I reread the book recently because I have felt the

> temptation to go on a diet because I am about 30-40 lbs overweight. My

> doctor keeps telling me to loose weight because of high cholesterol,

> ect. I have not exercised in a long time, but when I did I didn't

> loose. I am frustrated with the slow weight gain. I also feel at a loss

> because I can't diet, which I could never stick to anyway, and I don't

> seem to loose weight even when I exercise. I take that back. I lost

> when I did a lot of very hard exercise 5 days a week. I am a lot older

> now and unable to do that kind of exercise. I guess I am discouraged

> that the weight will ever come off. Any suggestions would be wonderful.

> Maybe some of you could share what kind of exercise you do and how much

> is reasonable for weight loss. I have given up being thin, I just need

> to do this to be healthy. Thanks.

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the group,

You're post made me realize that I'd love to be a " movement coach "

because I really don't believe in " exercise " in the traditional

sense anymore. I've shared several times on this group about how

I've come to learn about the importance of movement in my life. When

I first started IE in early 2008, I was sick of questioning myself

and basing my decisions about my body on external sources. So, I

decided to do a movement experiment/practice. We've all heard that

it's best for us to move 30 minutes each day. So, I wanted to test

this for myself. The question that I had was " How will my body

respond to moving intentionally everyday? " I decided to roll out of

bed every morning, throw on some comfortable clothes, and my walking

shoes and go for a walk before doing anything else. I walked at

least 27 minutes in one direction before I would turn around to walk

a back home.

After 60 days of walking everyday, I had not lost 1 pound or 1 inch.

I was a bit peeved and realized at the same time that I had NOT

gained 1 lb or 1 inch. I had acheived a state of balance instead of

the slow weight gain that I had been experiencing.

I did gain some of the following experiences and so much more:

I learned that I love being outside in nature early in the morning

when the world is still relatively quiet, breathing in air, and

being with myself. That walk became a time to meditate, to muse

about life, I could warm up my body, feel different aches in

different parts of my body and work them out as I walked, generally

really take care of and respond to myself. I felt more stable

emotionally, I believe that I felt less of a need to overeat as a

result. Sometimes, I would just walk, sometimes I would jog a

little, sometimes I would run, sometimes I would sing out loud, or

move my arms in different directions, whatever I wanted to do all

depending on what I felt from my body.

I tracked my progress on a calendar and managed to walk or move 80%

of the days from May until November of last year (until winter hit).

Consistency, not perfection, was what I was looking to experience.

On a diet or exercise regimen, I have never been able to move that

much on a consistent basis. One of the mantras I used during this

time was " put one foot in front of the other " from a song from one

of those x-mas cartoon " Santa Claus in Coming to Town " .

With the cold weather and not being able to be outside as much, I've

found it more difficult to stay motivated to maintain daily

movement. Though I'm still experimenting with what works for my body

during different seasons. Just today, I bought one of those

miniature nerf basketball net and ball sets today. I figure that if

I put some music on and set some goal for the number of baskets to

get that this could be one of a set of movement practices that I can

do in the winter. Walking in the morning is the most basic and

effortless activities that I've found. I have some anticipation for

the spring because I will be able to walk more.

What's bizarre is that although the scale doesn't seem to move, I've

gotten the second comment in the past 6 months from someone today

that it looks like I've lost weight.

Experiment and find out fun ways to move and connect with your

body.

Again, welcome to the group and I look forward to hearing more about

your journey.

Latoya:)

Practicing IE since Jan '08.

Any suggestions would be wonderful.

> Maybe some of you could share what kind of exercise you do and how

much

> is reasonable for weight loss. I have given up being thin, I just

need

> to do this to be healthy. Thanks.

>

[Guest guest]

I second that.

You should be a movement coach Latoya, you got me motivated.

Olsonk52,

I think Latoya has the right idea, its about movement, and finding

something you like to do that is fun. When I was a kid, I used to

love to go outside and play. One day I started thinking of all the

things I used to like doing as a kid, that were pysical, and how I can

recreate that in my life today. I walk my dog through the park, I go

for ride on my bike, when I am around family, I will shoot some hoops,

or toss the ball back and forth. I do not think of any of that as

exercise, I think of it as doing something fun. Yet I also know that

it does make my body feel better, and after I do it, I usually feel

more energized.

What ever you do.... don't make it about exercising to punish yourself

because your cholesterol is high. Enjoy life.

I hope you find something you like.

Any suggestions would be wonderful.

> > Maybe some of you could share what kind of exercise you do and how

> much

> > is reasonable for weight loss. I have given up being thin, I just

> need

> > to do this to be healthy. Thanks.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Lyn,

 

I struggled with the nighttime eating for years -- i just couldn't seem to give it up.

 

but when i started IE, WITHOUT TRYING, i almost entirely lost the urge to eat at night. i think i had been eating at night to make up for not eating enough during the day, while trying to diet. once i ate enough during the day, and respected my hunger, i stoppped wanting to snack at night most of the time. the rare times i do eat at night, it's because i am just plain hungry.

 

i can't say that this resulted in a weight change, though! so dont be so sure that nighttime eating is the curse " they " tell us it is.

 

good luck!

 

abby

IE since 11/08

Lyn, you do NOT have to restrict yourself any TIME. The intuitive part is you learning to be in tune with your body so you know when you are (body) hungry and then feed it the 'fuel' that it wants/needs.

Night time eating is a 'charged' subject for many here. Its one of those diet mentality no-nos that many of us (myself included) fight with for a long time. The point I hope to establish with myself is to unload the 'night time' part in favor of of determining if I am truly (body) hungry or the need to eat is more driven by other (non-body) factors.

Best to you - KatchaIEing since March 2007

>> > Hi There

> > My name is Lyn Keller and I'm on this site because I wanted to be with " kindred " eaters . > > But I " do " have a question for you.> > Okay - so in the past, I've had the " nighttime snacker " habits (urges are more like it) and I know that for my particular metabolism, eating an hour or so before I go to bed is a weight gain thing for sure. Plus, I haven't exactly been exercising, but besides that for a moment - here's the question:

> > How can it be " intuitive " eating, if I have to restrict myself at night? > > Thanks, Lyn>

[Guest guest]

Oh my God! This is soooo me, but once I start, I never want to stop until I feel sick. I enjoy the sick feeling the comes with the sugar binge. OR is it more like a high? What's this about? KnoblochSent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. CellularFrom: "thea_kronborg" Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 03:52:52 -0000To: <IntuitiveEating_Support >Subject: Re: new I think this is totally true, and what Katcha said also is true -- if you're physically hungry, you should eat no matter what time it is. For me, I think my desire to eat sweets in the middle of the night has to do with wanting to wake up as quickly as possible, and also being thirsty. ice cream is pretty perfect for that scenario! and also, again, feeling like I shouldn't be eating -- doing it half asleep eases the guilt. so stop with the guilt, and stop with the night eating. so i hope. thea > > Instead of making a Rule about not eating at night- ask youself (when ou get the urge to eat) - are you really hungry, or do you have other needs instead? Maybe you are thirsty, or tired but trying to stay up later to watch the news, or simply trying to soothe yourself and unwind... Once you identify what you really need you can think about non-food ways to meet it, like a relaxing bath or reading for a few minutes etc... > > Mikki

[Guest guest]

(replies below thoughts responded to) - Katcha

>

> Hi Mikki, Katcha, Abby & Dayna

>      Thank you for your responses .   

>

>      I'm in the middle of getting my " health " back together after neglecting

it for a long time.  I found that if I eat too late at night, I either

" maintain " my weight or gain it.   I have a slow thyroid and slightly slow

metabolism.  Food more or less " sits " in my system overnight, although it does

digest to some degree .

>     I've been experimenting a bit with what I eat.  Meaning, I have noticed

that when I eat sugars, as in " junk " food, that when I get hungry again, its a

much greater " pain " of hunger than if I just eat " healthy " foods..   Its like

having withdrawals.   Certain carbs will do that as well, although not like

sugar does.  

First, its excellent that you are noticing and becoming aware of how YOUR body

reacts to X eaten. That is a very good step to be taking.

I too found that eating sweets/carbs = not long staying/holding power for my

hunger. And because sweets can digest FAST, I would notice spikes UP followed by

a 'crash' down would happen if I ate nothing but a 'sweet'. And its soooo easy

to just grab and gulp some more candy putting myself right back onto the carb

rollercoaster - lol!

>     So, sometimes during the day, I'll have eaten something sweet and at night

I'll get hungry, but it will be more intense because I've had that sugar.   Yet,

I don't like to restrict myself during the day all that much because its my only

" fun " time with food - lol!!

>     I " know " when I'm hungry and when I'm just getting emotional about

something and having that " urge " to eat.  That's when I start the " wandering " .

 I wander around the kitchen looking for what I'm in the " mood " for, rather than

being hungry and getting down to some serious fixing a meal.  

I call this 'grazing' and it seems to be something others do too. Probably

looking for an EXternal input instead of turning to our own bodies to check in?

>     But basically, for me, I think there comes a time when eating intuitively

is a much more relaxing and fun thing, but there are times when I think that

maybe there needs to be just a little control (at night) so that my body can get

" used " to a new way of living.   Maybe if the body gets used to the whole new

plan it can shift over into intuitive eating - lol!!  

Sounds a bit like you are having 'fun' with IE? Much as I would LOVE for IE to

'osmosis' into my life, I'm finding that if I don't MAKE a change, I don't 'get'

a change ;-)

>     So, during the day, I can't say I'm on some restricted diet because I eat

what I feel like.  Its just after like around 7:00 P.M. that I feel like I

should curb it and just do liquids.  

WHY?!? I don't know about you, but the minute a 'should' pops up, my REBEL joins

the picture!

>     I " love " big breakfasts and medium sized lunches and dinners.  I very

rarely do snacks. That to me is the funnest thing.   The mornings is my " oh boy "

I get to pig out.  My night time is my, I get to " clean " out - lol!!   I don't

think at this point, its really intuitive eating so much as my own solution to

changing the habits I've had for so long.  But, eventually, perhaps the body

will get used to it and it will seem like second nature .

>     How did some of you change to where you could do intuitive eating.  I

would imagine that one has to become more aware of the body and then also

reeducate themself regarding what to eat as well so that its a little more

healthy.   I mean if I could, I'd eat chocolate, all sorts of muffins and ice

cream all day long, but eventually that would most likely put me in serious

trouble.  

The only re-education I find helpful is re-learning what my BODY wants, not what

'others' suggest as 'healthy'.

>     The reason I have to eat better and lose at least most of this weight is

because I'm 56 yrs. young - but many years ago I had Hepatitis A which did a

whole thing on the liver and probably a couple other relevant organs.   So, if I

eat too much grease or sugars I start to have a bad reaction anyway.   I'm not

just " intuitively " stopped, my " survival " instincts kick in and tell me " whoa "

there, too much.  

>     So, basically, I'm wondering if perhaps one has to train themselves " into "

intuitively eating.

> Lyn 

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon    Thank you for the welcome.   I forgot - what is hypothyroidism and why the Hashimoto? LynFrom: Lyn K <lafinlynyahoo (DOT) com>Subject: [intuitiveEating_ Support] newTo: IntuitiveEating_ Support@yahoogro ups.comDate: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 12:22 AM

Hi There

My name is Lyn Keller and I'm on this site because I wanted to be with "kindred" eaters .

But I "do" have a question for you.

Okay - so in the past, I've had the "nighttime snacker" habits (urges are more like it) and I know that for my particular metabolism, eating an hour or so before I go to bed is a weight gain thing for sure. Plus, I haven't exactly been exercising, but besides that for a moment - here's the question:

How can it be "intuitive" eating, if I have to restrict myself at night?

Thanks, Lyn