Re: beserk night eating

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> Kimberlie

> IEing since 11/08

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Thea,

 

For years I tried to not eat at night, but just couldn't resist it. I was generally really " good " in the mornings, but then really needed a snack in the late afternoon, and went crazy at night.

 

Then when I started eating more in the mornings, and stopped trying to diet, the urge to eat at night disappeared! It was very strange because it was the first time in years that I wasn't trying NOT to eat at night.

 

Now I eat a mid-morning snack between breakfast and lunch, but typically don't need an afternoon snack, eat a small-ish dinner, and no evening snack.

 

Maybe it would help you to try to eat more in the morning, when you are not thinking about food as much?

 

Abby

maybe your blood surag goes low if mine goes low look out everything thats not nailed down

Betty

Re: beserk night eating

Thea, I don't think you have to try harder - maybe just accept thatyour body is trying to tell you something? I know that if I haven'teaten much during the day - which I do when I'm busy with doing things

- then I can often be more hungry in the evenings. I used to fightthis urge with the old diet mentality of " you have been soooo goodduring the day - don't ruin that with night eating " . But it really was

diet mentality - I was sincerely hungry and the more I fought it, themore I ate. It doesn't surprise me that you are not hungry the next morning andeven thru some of that day - you ate late and it is carrying you

forward. Its a GOOD sign that you are sensing that your body does NOTwant to eat. Now just be ready to eat when it says to do that -irregardless of what any clock says ;-)BEST to you, KatchaIEing since March 2007

>> I just don't know what this is about. I made some cookies yesterday,

> this experimental recipe i wanted to try. And I woke up in the night> and ate ten of them, after a while even consciously thinking that I> was feeling sick and not wanting any more. > > I haven't done this in a while. Well, like a couple of weeks. I

> didn't eat any all day because I've been feeling kind of queasy ever> since. > > Night eating has been a huge problem for me for years and years. > lately I've been trying various things to help me sleep through the

> night but haven't hit on a good solution yet. I'm a student so I> don't have regular hours, and between my husband and I, workloads vary> so much that we can't seem to stick to a good schedule.

> > just venting I guess. I have to try harder.> > thea>

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Hi Thea,

I find even after doing I.E. for almost a year, there are still certain

situations that can cause me to do " Last Supper " eating. One of those situations

is when I try out a new recipe, especially a dessert recipe, and especially when

it comes out good! :-) There is some added excitement because it is a brand new

experience. I find each time I make the recipe, I get a little less excited and

am more able to stop when satisfied. In other words, I make peace with the food.

I suspect that will happen to you if you make the recipe again.

Best wishes,

B.

I.E.ing since April 08

>

> I just don't know what this is about. I made some cookies yesterday,

> this experimental recipe i wanted to try. And I woke up in the night

> and ate ten of them, after a while even consciously thinking that I

> was feeling sick and not wanting any more.

>

> I haven't done this in a while. Well, like a couple of weeks. I

> didn't eat any all day because I've been feeling kind of queasy ever

> since.

>

> Night eating has been a huge problem for me for years and years.

> lately I've been trying various things to help me sleep through the

> night but haven't hit on a good solution yet. I'm a student so I

> don't have regular hours, and between my husband and I, workloads vary

> so much that we can't seem to stick to a good schedule.

>

> just venting I guess. I have to try harder.

>

> thea

>

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Thea,

I can hear your disappointment and frustration. It must feel exhausting to not

be able to turn of the " food-war " even when you are sleeping! I bet most of us

here have had those same night walks to the fridge. I know that I get them when

I have had a lot of restricting-food tension (even when I turn intuitive eating

into a diet with the rules of 'eat only when hungry'). I support you in how

kind you sound to yourself.

I love what Katcha said in her reply about not having to try harder.

It reminds me of something (the co-author of Intuitive Eating) told me

when I spoke to her on Friday that really rocked my world (in a good way). I

told her how I was trying to use cognitive psych techniques etc to change what I

was thinking and she mentioned that the type of thinking I was doing was not

going to be how I let go of overeating. At first I didn't understand. Then she

recommended the book " The Mindful Way through Depression " by Mark etc.

and the contents blew my mind....

I have spent two solid years literally every day trying to come up with the

" strategy " that would get me to stick with these eating principles and the book

suggests that it is that form of thinking that makes the problem worse.....

they say

" It is ok to stop trying to solve the problem of feeling sad (of bummed we

overate) " We try to " think our way out of it " and end up deeper in it with

" endless cycles of mental strategizing that increase our risk of depression (or

overeating).

The book invites us to shift into a mode of mind they call " being " or

" mindfulness " in those times. And I have to say it has made a huge difference

in the past few days.

I hope there is something here that may be of help!!

I also love what " Overcoming Overeating " by Hirschmann and Munter says about

treating ourselves tenderly and with compassion after we binge... this quote

always gets me about the impact of treating ourselves lovingly..

" The knowledge that you can turn to someone so caring and tender as yourself

makes it less likely that you'll need to turn to food when you're in trouble. "

I love that!

I wish you exceedingly well and wish you a beserk-free sweet night of sleep!!

Warmly,

Josie

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Thea,

I dont know if this is the same for you,

but I have found that many days I really dont care about

eating or food until later in the day.

I do eat something in the morning some days and something in

the afternoon.

I really like a certain kind of protein bar alot

(they are not disgusting like most are)

so that is what I decide to have lots of times.

Plus I like it and most times that is all I want and

I am fine.

That being said, when I want FOOD that is what I want.

what I mean is that later in the day/early evening

I want to eat whatever it is that I want.

However, sometimes I have a really hard time

stopping it from being continuous eating till I

go to sleep. Even if it is dry cereal like

honey nut cheerios or lucky charms.

I know that sounds ridiculous, but

like tonight I made something whith ricotta cheese

an egg, egg whites, asiago cheese, and parmesean

cheese and I had a time finally putting it away.

Tonight as well as other nights I am not really sure what

the bottom line reason is, but sometimes it is wanting

to eat SIMPLY because I felt like I didnt get to earlier

in the day and I feel CHEATED by not getting to eat.

(it is NOT that I wanted to eat more earlier, cause

I didnt most times)

What sucks more about this feeling is that until

I am " DONE " eating for the night

I freaking cant go to bed............

THAT is completely frustrating, perhaps a

small twist to beserk night eating you

have going on.......

Trying to cut myself a break cause I am pretty

new at IE and trusting myself w/ anything......

much less food .......

in AZ

>

> I just don't know what this is about. I made some cookies yesterday,

> this experimental recipe i wanted to try. And I woke up in the night

> and ate ten of them, after a while even consciously thinking that I

> was feeling sick and not wanting any more.

>

> I haven't done this in a while. Well, like a couple of weeks. I

> didn't eat any all day because I've been feeling kind of queasy ever

> since.

>

> Night eating has been a huge problem for me for years and years.

> lately I've been trying various things to help me sleep through the

> night but haven't hit on a good solution yet. I'm a student so I

> don't have regular hours, and between my husband and I, workloads vary

> so much that we can't seem to stick to a good schedule.

>

> just venting I guess. I have to try harder.

>

> thea

>

[Guest guest]

B,

I totally FREAK out when I have

those kinds of last supper ordeals....

I get worried that I am on the loose w/

food " again "

silly cause food is suppposed to be just

food not good this and bad that.........

I am still learning to trust....

and I seem to be in a rush for it to happen.....

in AZ

> >

> > I just don't know what this is about. I made some cookies yesterday,

> > this experimental recipe i wanted to try. And I woke up in the night

> > and ate ten of them, after a while even consciously thinking that I

> > was feeling sick and not wanting any more.

> >

> > I haven't done this in a while. Well, like a couple of weeks. I

> > didn't eat any all day because I've been feeling kind of queasy ever

> > since.

> >

> > Night eating has been a huge problem for me for years and years.

> > lately I've been trying various things to help me sleep through the

> > night but haven't hit on a good solution yet. I'm a student so I

> > don't have regular hours, and between my husband and I, workloads vary

> > so much that we can't seem to stick to a good schedule.

> >

> > just venting I guess. I have to try harder.

> >

> > thea

> >

>

[Guest guest]

These are great observations you are making about your eating! Good for you. IE is a process,not a quick fix. You are doing fine

Kim

IE since Aug 08

Subject: Re: beserk night eatingTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 3:12 AM

Thea,I dont know if this is the same for you,but I have found that many days I really dont care abouteating or food until later in the day.I do eat something in the morning some days and something in the afternoon.I really like a certain kind of protein bar alot(they are not disgusting like most are)so that is what I decide to have lots of times.Plus I like it and most times that is all I want and I am fine.That being said, when I want FOOD that is what I want.what I mean is that later in the day/early eveningI want to eat whatever it is that I want.However, sometimes I have a really hard time stopping it from being continuous eating till I go to sleep. Even if it is dry cereal like honey nut cheerios or lucky charms.I know that sounds ridiculous, butlike tonight I made something whith ricotta cheesean egg, egg whites, asiago cheese, and

parmesean cheese and I had a time finally putting it away.Tonight as well as other nights I am not really sure what the bottom line reason is, but sometimes it is wanting to eat SIMPLY because I felt like I didnt get to earlierin the day and I feel CHEATED by not getting to eat.(it is NOT that I wanted to eat more earlier, causeI didnt most times)What sucks more about this feeling is that until I am "DONE" eating for the nightI freaking cant go to bed......... ...THAT is completely frustrating, perhaps a small twist to beserk night eating youhave going on.......Trying to cut myself a break cause I am prettynew at IE and trusting myself w/ anything.... ..much less food ....... in AZ>> I just don't know what this is about. I made some cookies yesterday,> this experimental recipe i wanted to try. And I woke up in the night> and ate ten of them, after a while even consciously thinking that I> was feeling sick and not wanting any more. > > I haven't done this in a while. Well, like a couple of weeks. I> didn't eat any all day because I've been feeling kind of queasy ever> since. > > Night eating has been a huge problem for me for years and years. > lately I've been trying various things to help me sleep through the> night but haven't hit on a good solution yet. I'm a student so I> don't have regular hours, and between my husband and I, workloads vary> so much that we can't seem to

stick to a good schedule.> > just venting I guess. I have to try harder.> > thea>

[Guest guest]

wrote:

> One of

> those situations is when I try out a new recipe, especially a dessert

> recipe, and especially when it comes out good! :-) There is some added

> excitement because it is a brand new experience. I find each time I make

> the recipe, I get a little less excited and am more able to stop when

> satisfied.

Sounds like me. When I try something new and it tastes really good,

overeating seems inevitable. However, after eating the new food a few

times it goes away just like you said.

Regards

s.

[Guest guest]

spinarjm wrote:

> I have spent two solid years literally every day trying to come up with

> the " strategy " that would get me to stick with these eating principles and

> the book suggests that it is that form of thinking that makes the problem

> worse..... they say

>

> " It is ok to stop trying to solve the problem of feeling sad (of bummed

> we overate) " We try to " think our way out of it " and end up deeper in it

> with " endless cycles of mental strategizing that increase our risk of

> depression (or overeating).

That sounds so much like me. Especially that guy " Jim " they describe.

> The book invites us to shift into a mode of mind they call " being " or

> " mindfulness " in those times. And I have to say it has made a huge

> difference in the past few days.

>

> I hope there is something here that may be of help!!

Definitely. One can read a few pages on amazon. I've just done that

because what you wrote sounded exactly like me! I'm gonna get this book,

even if it's just to read another opinion on depression. Thanks for the

tip.

Regards

s.