TTFD/allithiamine/B1--ANDY

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I have seen some good results using 1/4 the prescribed

dose of TTFD for my son. I have read your warnings and

am wondering if my son (4.5 years, 39 lbs) might get the

same benefits from supplementing oral allithiamine or just

plain old B1...(approx how much would I want to try?).

In the Pangborn/Baker BIOMEDICAL ASSESSMENT OPTIONS...

Consensus Report it states that TTFD could help to oxidize cysteine

and enhance formation of sulfate. Can TTFD do this? Would

the other forms do the same. I think my son benefits from sulfation

support.

[Guest guest]

> I have seen some good results using 1/4 the prescribed

> dose of TTFD for my son. I have read your warnings and

> am wondering if my son (4.5 years, 39 lbs) might get the

> same benefits from supplementing oral allithiamine or just

> plain old B1...(approx how much would I want to try?).

First, B1, 10-50 mg as many times a day as you can manage. With food

when possible.

Second, if that isn't enough, slowly add back allithiamine (if

possible use the allicin form rather than the TTFD form) and find the

miniumum dose that does give you the desired good effects - do

establish the dose that gives you ALL the good effects, but try to

stay as low as you can.

> In the Pangborn/Baker BIOMEDICAL ASSESSMENT OPTIONS...

> Consensus Report it states that TTFD could help to oxidize cysteine

> and enhance formation of sulfate. Can TTFD do this?

This position is unrelated to reality, and even what they are talking

about is unrelated to reality.

The effective ways to get more sulfate:

give molybdenum,

give sulfate itself.

Only if cysteine is measured to be low is giving sulfury stuff

helpful.

Thiamine is not rate influencing in this conversion.

The DAN! biomedical assessment options contains much material that

describes chemistry and physiology that must happenn in an alternate

universe - it certainly is unrelated to any real case anyone has ever

seen. Including the authors, btw. I have no idea how they can

possibly interpret the information they have the way they do.

I am sure they think I am crazy too, and don't know anything about

chemistry. . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

> Would the other forms do the same.

The other forms would do it exactly as much as TTFD does.

>I think my son benefits from sulfation support.

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[Guest guest]

--- In , " david hooten " <dhooten@a...>

wrote:

> I have seen some good results using 1/4 the prescribed

> dose of TTFD for my son. I have read your warnings and

> am wondering if my son (4.5 years, 39 lbs) might get the

> same benefits from supplementing oral allithiamine or just

> plain old B1...(approx how much would I want to try?).

-- I'm no expert, but I gather that: 1. TTFD seems to mobilise rather

than chelate metals, which creates the risk of redistribution,

particularly at higher doses; and 2. TTFD is taxing on the liver, so

I would think it should not be used every day any more than DMSA or

DMPS (which are real chelators) should.

Given this, I would think that the best way to use TTFD would be in

low doses twice a day on the first two days of chelating rounds, in

order to mobilise metals that real chelators can then grab. It may

not be safe to use TTFD except in the presence of real chelators.

Steve

[Guest guest]

> Given this, I would think that the best way to use TTFD would be in

> low doses twice a day on the first two days of chelating rounds, in

> order to mobilise metals that real chelators can then grab. It may

> not be safe to use TTFD except in the presence of real chelators.

I realy doubt that TTFD has any relevance to chelation at all, or that

this is the damage mechanism.

Andy . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . .