Re: low-carb bread question

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My daughter loves " LOW CARB DEPOT BREAD "

ingredients: soy flour, isolated soy protein, soybean hull fiber, organic

rye flour (rye bread), water, salt, caraway seeds (rye bread)

1 slice 13 G

Calories 35

FAT 1.5 G

PROTEIN 3 G

CARBS 3 G

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Hope this helps

We buy our bread from a health food store

Sandi

Mom to Zara

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Jackie, Sandi, thanks. This sounds great. And a gram of carb lower than

what I've been using. I'm going to order it right now.

Re: low-carb bread question

My daughter loves " LOW CARB DEPOT BREAD "

ingredients: soy flour, isolated soy protein, soybean hull fiber, organic

rye flour (rye bread), water, salt, caraway seeds (rye bread)

1 slice 13 G

Calories 35

FAT 1.5 G

PROTEIN 3 G

CARBS 3 G

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Hope this helps

We buy our bread from a health food store

Sandi

Mom to Zara

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It may be a little expensive, but it is real bread!!

I make her french toast, blt's, grilled cheese, etc.

Usually low carb food has too much protein

It is hard to fit food into the keto ratio

This bread has been a life-saver

Hope you enjoy it

Sandi

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Jane.

what ratio is leo on. We used the low carb bread on the atkins but we are on

2:1 and use regular bread now. He gets anywhere between 1/2 slice (14 g and

28 g for the whole slice.

did not have anypoblems on it but I think he may be developing

some sensitivites to soy which is the main ingredient. I did try it in the

mealplanner and it had too much protein,

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and others -- Leo is on 2.7 ratio. Several people remarked that the

low-carb bread had too much protein. I'm curious as to why that was a

problem? I usually try to pack in as much protein as I can (sometimes 1 to

2 g higher than recommended) without tipping ratio. Are you saying it had

too much protein by itself or in combination with other things. The bread I

am using has 4 g carbs and 6 g protein per 23g slice. Jane

Re: low-carb bread question

Jane.

what ratio is leo on. We used the low carb bread on the atkins but we are

on

2:1 and use regular bread now. He gets anywhere between 1/2 slice (14 g

and

28 g for the whole slice.

did not have anypoblems on it but I think he may be developing

some sensitivites to soy which is the main ingredient. I did try it in

the

mealplanner and it had too much protein,

[Guest guest]

Patti -- I do remember your saying something back then about the excess

protein converting to carbs. Was that it?

Leo's seizures are all at night -- and his bedtime snack usually has very

little protein. During the day, he's not having any seizures. And he grew

four inches last year! So maybe he was in a growth spurt and needed that

extra protein. He's very long and skinny.

Also,when we reduced the ratio, my nutritionist told me to keep the carbs

quite low and increase the protein, so I did that. Maybe I'll ask her why.

Jane Re: low-carb bread question

Jane,

I don't know anything about the bread, but just had a protein comment. I

forget why now..... but there was a discussion some time back about why

going over the protein recommendation can backfire on you. Are his ketones

staying up there ..... and no seizures? If you're still struggling with any

seizures I'd caution against boosting the protein. I got into trouble doing

that. I'll search my memory banks tomorrow and see if I can remember the

exact reason why this works counter to the Keto diet. Anyway, just thought

I'd mention it.

Patti

RE: low-carb bread question

and others -- Leo is on 2.7 ratio. Several people remarked that

the

low-carb bread had too much protein. I'm curious as to why that was a

problem? I usually try to pack in as much protein as I can (sometimes 1

to

2 g higher than recommended) without tipping ratio. Are you saying it

had

too much protein by itself or in combination with other things. The

bread I

am using has 4 g carbs and 6 g protein per 23g slice. Jane

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Patti wrote:

> <<Also,when we reduced the ratio, my nutritionist told me to keep the

> carbs

> quite low and increase the protein, so I did that. Maybe I'll ask her

> why.

> Jane>>

>

> I personally wouldn't agree with doing that..... and our dietician

> wouldn't either. Does yours have tons of experience with keto kids?

> That doesn't seem right to me.

>

Actually I think its a good way to lean, else you might find out the

hard way your child is carb-sensitive. We dropped from 3:1 to 2.7:1,

dietican did the new meal plans, and Jess started seizing. I immediately

went back to old 3:1 plans and she stopped - this is unheard of for

Jess, once she starts she is guaranteed to seize from anywhere from 7-14

days.

when I went back and questioned dietican, the carbs had increased

dramatically with the ratio drop, don't remember the exactly numbers now

but something like btn 15-20%. I asked her to redo at 2.7:1 ratio but

with protien slant. She did, kept carb increase down to less than 5%

and we went back to 2.7:1 for a while with no problems. I think often

its not the ratio drop itself that does people in but the dramatic carb

increase

, 's mom

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-- thats an interesting point -- and seems to have been our

experience as well. It could be that when I went to popcorn, the carb ratio

was too high, and that was why he started seizing again. (it could have

been the corn too. Just don't know.) But we're now at a lower ratio than

we were when he started seizing again in February, but with more protein --

and haven't had any problems (knock wood) except for the sleep seizures.

But that's been a constant for years. Still, I'm going to try to get some

input from the dietician.

Patti -- this dietician has been doing the keto diet at Columbia

Presbyterian Hospital for 20 years! That doesn't mean she's always right --

but she is experienced.

Jane

Re: low-carb bread question

Patti wrote:

> <<Also,when we reduced the ratio, my nutritionist told me to keep the

> carbs

> quite low and increase the protein, so I did that. Maybe I'll ask her

> why.

> Jane>>

>

> I personally wouldn't agree with doing that..... and our dietician

> wouldn't either. Does yours have tons of experience with keto kids?

> That doesn't seem right to me.

>

Actually I think its a good way to lean, else you might find out the

hard way your child is carb-sensitive. We dropped from 3:1 to 2.7:1,

dietican did the new meal plans, and Jess started seizing. I immediately

went back to old 3:1 plans and she stopped - this is unheard of for

Jess, once she starts she is guaranteed to seize from anywhere from 7-14

days.

when I went back and questioned dietican, the carbs had increased

dramatically with the ratio drop, don't remember the exactly numbers now

but something like btn 15-20%. I asked her to redo at 2.7:1 ratio but

with protien slant. She did, kept carb increase down to less than 5%

and we went back to 2.7:1 for a while with no problems. I think often

its not the ratio drop itself that does people in but the dramatic carb

increase

, 's mom

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Jane Praeger wrote:

> -- thats an interesting point -- and seems to have been our

>

> experience as well. It could be that when I went to popcorn, the carb

> ratio

> was too high, and that was why he started seizing again. (it could

> have

> been the corn too. Just don't know.)

Actually we have heard similar stories with popcorn, in that case it

seems to be more, or at least equally, related to the fact that is it is

corn. Perhaps a problem with starch for some?

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Patti wrote:

> ,

> Yes, very well put. That was a big ratio drop all at once..... so that

> would really boost the carbs way high if protein wasn't increased a

> bit, too. Where did you end up setting the protein? How many gms per

> kilo?

>

Geez, that was many many moons ago.....with a lot of bumps between then

and now. Hard to believe we have been doing this 5+ years and frankly, I

am getting very tired of it.....but thats a story for another day

To answer your question, I think we are around 1.2 or 1.3 g/kg right

now, not sure of exacty numbers. We were up to close to 1.5g/kg at one

point, which dietican was okay with but had to come down when we upped

ratio again.

Actually I was amazed by how much a ratio drop of 0.3 (dr and dietician

had recommended dropping by 0.5 and I said no) upped the carb allowance

> I can hear the frog rattling..... so must go. (Katera wakes up and

> searches her bed for her favorite stuffed frog toy..... which has a

> rattle inside...... and sits there shaking it. We hear it through the

> monitor and know she's awake....... that's our Katera alarm!)

Too cute!

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Patti -- I think its quite possible that grain (or other kinds of brain

inflammatories) are the culprits. Nobody really understands how and why the

diet works, right? I think its also probably finding the right balance of

protein to carbs for everykid. We did increase carbs with the calorie/ratio

increase, just increased protein more. It may be that when kids are going

through a growth spurt, for example, they need more protein. I have

certainly seen that when I give Leo the new low-carb bread breakfast, he

gets hungrier faster. On the old plan, he rarely did.

I didn't realize Katera had been on the SC diet for two weeks. We're all

keeping our eyes glued to the computer screen waiting to hear how it goes!

With continued success, I hope!

Best, Jane

Re: low-carb bread question

,

Yes, very well put. That was a big ratio drop all at once..... so that

would really boost the carbs way high if protein wasn't increased a bit,

too. Where did you end up setting the protein? How many gms per kilo?

Jane,

Yes, it does sound like your dietician has a lot of years of experience

there. Sorry.... I didn't mean to be criticizing her. Maybe it's just the

way it sounded to me...... as if you were holding the carbs really low,

maybe even at the same level they were at the higher ratio (??), and just

increasing the protein considerably beyond what his body requires as a

bottom line. I do see the logic in what pointed out, though.

Grain-based carbs...... somehow I think that's the key..... staying away

from those. We're two weeks+ into the SCDiet and I'm not going to start

really shouting about the grain thing until or unless we end up going a few

more weeks seizure free.

I can hear the frog rattling..... so must go. (Katera wakes up and

searches her bed for her favorite stuffed frog toy..... which has a rattle

inside...... and sits there shaking it. We hear it through the monitor and

know she's awake....... that's our Katera alarm!)

Patti

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/Patti -- Leo's protein is also at about 1.3-1.4g/kilo.

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Patti wrote:

> I'm trying to think back...... when we had breakthroughs starting up

> last summer, we realised Katera had gained too much weight so the

> dietician had us cut calories but she also admonished me for raising

> her protein up so high...... I had her at 1.2 g/kilo. We were only at

> a 2.2:1 ratio so.... plenty of carbs there. Still making ketones of

> 80-160. Hmmmm...... I don't know. I never could get rid of the once

> a month partials after that..... so I took her off the diet

> altogether. I just didn't think I could stand it another second after

> all that time.

>

I really seriously do not think 1.2g/kg is at all too high. From my

understanding up to 1.5g/kg is pretty safe. And even beyond that, there

are ways to monitor kidney function. But ideally I would like to have

Jess around 1.5g/kg. Just not going to happen at the moment

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Jane,

I don't know anything about the bread, but just had a protein comment. I forget

why now..... but there was a discussion some time back about why going over the

protein recommendation can backfire on you. Are his ketones staying up there

...... and no seizures? If you're still struggling with any seizures I'd caution

against boosting the protein. I got into trouble doing that. I'll search my

memory banks tomorrow and see if I can remember the exact reason why this works

counter to the Keto diet. Anyway, just thought I'd mention it.

Patti

RE: low-carb bread question

and others -- Leo is on 2.7 ratio. Several people remarked that the

low-carb bread had too much protein. I'm curious as to why that was a

problem? I usually try to pack in as much protein as I can (sometimes 1 to

2 g higher than recommended) without tipping ratio. Are you saying it had

too much protein by itself or in combination with other things. The bread I

am using has 4 g carbs and 6 g protein per 23g slice. Jane

-----Original Message-----

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<<Also,when we reduced the ratio, my nutritionist told me to keep the carbs

quite low and increase the protein, so I did that. Maybe I'll ask her why.

Jane>>

I personally wouldn't agree with doing that..... and our dietician wouldn't

either. Does yours have tons of experience with keto kids? That doesn't seem

right to me.

Patti

[Guest guest]

,

Yes, very well put. That was a big ratio drop all at once..... so that would

really boost the carbs way high if protein wasn't increased a bit, too. Where

did you end up setting the protein? How many gms per kilo?

Jane,

Yes, it does sound like your dietician has a lot of years of experience there.

Sorry.... I didn't mean to be criticizing her. Maybe it's just the way it

sounded to me...... as if you were holding the carbs really low, maybe even at

the same level they were at the higher ratio (??), and just increasing the

protein considerably beyond what his body requires as a bottom line. I do see

the logic in what pointed out, though.

Grain-based carbs...... somehow I think that's the key..... staying away from

those. We're two weeks+ into the SCDiet and I'm not going to start really

shouting about the grain thing until or unless we end up going a few more weeks

seizure free.

I can hear the frog rattling..... so must go. (Katera wakes up and searches her

bed for her favorite stuffed frog toy..... which has a rattle inside...... and

sits there shaking it. We hear it through the monitor and know she's

awake....... that's our Katera alarm!)

Patti

[Guest guest]

<</Patti -- Leo's protein is also at about 1.3-1.4g/kilo.>>

I'm trying to think back...... when we had breakthroughs starting up last

summer, we realised Katera had gained too much weight so the dietician had us

cut calories but she also admonished me for raising her protein up so high......

I had her at 1.2 g/kilo. We were only at a 2.2:1 ratio so.... plenty of carbs

there. Still making ketones of 80-160. Hmmmm...... I don't know. I never

could get rid of the once a month partials after that..... so I took her off the

diet altogether. I just didn't think I could stand it another second after all

that time.

Patti