Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 My daughter loves " LOW CARB DEPOT BREAD " ingredients: soy flour, isolated soy protein, soybean hull fiber, organic rye flour (rye bread), water, salt, caraway seeds (rye bread) 1 slice 13 G Calories 35 FAT 1.5 G PROTEIN 3 G CARBS 3 G <A HREF= " www.lowcarbdepotonline.com " >www.lowcarbdepotonline.com</A> #1 Hope this helps We buy our bread from a health food store Sandi Mom to Zara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 Jackie, Sandi, thanks. This sounds great. And a gram of carb lower than what I've been using. I'm going to order it right now. Re: low-carb bread question My daughter loves " LOW CARB DEPOT BREAD " ingredients: soy flour, isolated soy protein, soybean hull fiber, organic rye flour (rye bread), water, salt, caraway seeds (rye bread) 1 slice 13 G Calories 35 FAT 1.5 G PROTEIN 3 G CARBS 3 G <A HREF= " www.lowcarbdepotonline.com " >www.lowcarbdepotonline.com</A> #1 Hope this helps We buy our bread from a health food store Sandi Mom to Zara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 It may be a little expensive, but it is real bread!! I make her french toast, blt's, grilled cheese, etc. Usually low carb food has too much protein It is hard to fit food into the keto ratio This bread has been a life-saver Hope you enjoy it Sandi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 Jane. what ratio is leo on. We used the low carb bread on the atkins but we are on 2:1 and use regular bread now. He gets anywhere between 1/2 slice (14 g and 28 g for the whole slice. did not have anypoblems on it but I think he may be developing some sensitivites to soy which is the main ingredient. I did try it in the mealplanner and it had too much protein, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2003 Report Share Posted April 29, 2003 and others -- Leo is on 2.7 ratio. Several people remarked that the low-carb bread had too much protein. I'm curious as to why that was a problem? I usually try to pack in as much protein as I can (sometimes 1 to 2 g higher than recommended) without tipping ratio. Are you saying it had too much protein by itself or in combination with other things. The bread I am using has 4 g carbs and 6 g protein per 23g slice. Jane Re: low-carb bread question Jane. what ratio is leo on. We used the low carb bread on the atkins but we are on 2:1 and use regular bread now. He gets anywhere between 1/2 slice (14 g and 28 g for the whole slice. did not have anypoblems on it but I think he may be developing some sensitivites to soy which is the main ingredient. I did try it in the mealplanner and it had too much protein, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2003 Report Share Posted April 30, 2003 Patti -- I do remember your saying something back then about the excess protein converting to carbs. Was that it? Leo's seizures are all at night -- and his bedtime snack usually has very little protein. During the day, he's not having any seizures. And he grew four inches last year! So maybe he was in a growth spurt and needed that extra protein. He's very long and skinny. Also,when we reduced the ratio, my nutritionist told me to keep the carbs quite low and increase the protein, so I did that. Maybe I'll ask her why. Jane Re: low-carb bread question Jane, I don't know anything about the bread, but just had a protein comment. I forget why now..... but there was a discussion some time back about why going over the protein recommendation can backfire on you. Are his ketones staying up there ..... and no seizures? If you're still struggling with any seizures I'd caution against boosting the protein. I got into trouble doing that. I'll search my memory banks tomorrow and see if I can remember the exact reason why this works counter to the Keto diet. Anyway, just thought I'd mention it. Patti RE: low-carb bread question and others -- Leo is on 2.7 ratio. Several people remarked that the low-carb bread had too much protein. I'm curious as to why that was a problem? I usually try to pack in as much protein as I can (sometimes 1 to 2 g higher than recommended) without tipping ratio. Are you saying it had too much protein by itself or in combination with other things. The bread I am using has 4 g carbs and 6 g protein per 23g slice. Jane -----Original Message----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2003 Report Share Posted April 30, 2003 Patti wrote: > <<Also,when we reduced the ratio, my nutritionist told me to keep the > carbs > quite low and increase the protein, so I did that. Maybe I'll ask her > why. > Jane>> > > I personally wouldn't agree with doing that..... and our dietician > wouldn't either. Does yours have tons of experience with keto kids? > That doesn't seem right to me. > Actually I think its a good way to lean, else you might find out the hard way your child is carb-sensitive. We dropped from 3:1 to 2.7:1, dietican did the new meal plans, and Jess started seizing. I immediately went back to old 3:1 plans and she stopped - this is unheard of for Jess, once she starts she is guaranteed to seize from anywhere from 7-14 days. when I went back and questioned dietican, the carbs had increased dramatically with the ratio drop, don't remember the exactly numbers now but something like btn 15-20%. I asked her to redo at 2.7:1 ratio but with protien slant. She did, kept carb increase down to less than 5% and we went back to 2.7:1 for a while with no problems. I think often its not the ratio drop itself that does people in but the dramatic carb increase , 's mom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2003 Report Share Posted May 1, 2003 -- thats an interesting point -- and seems to have been our experience as well. It could be that when I went to popcorn, the carb ratio was too high, and that was why he started seizing again. (it could have been the corn too. Just don't know.) But we're now at a lower ratio than we were when he started seizing again in February, but with more protein -- and haven't had any problems (knock wood) except for the sleep seizures. But that's been a constant for years. Still, I'm going to try to get some input from the dietician. Patti -- this dietician has been doing the keto diet at Columbia Presbyterian Hospital for 20 years! That doesn't mean she's always right -- but she is experienced. Jane Re: low-carb bread question Patti wrote: > <<Also,when we reduced the ratio, my nutritionist told me to keep the > carbs > quite low and increase the protein, so I did that. Maybe I'll ask her > why. > Jane>> > > I personally wouldn't agree with doing that..... and our dietician > wouldn't either. Does yours have tons of experience with keto kids? > That doesn't seem right to me. > Actually I think its a good way to lean, else you might find out the hard way your child is carb-sensitive. We dropped from 3:1 to 2.7:1, dietican did the new meal plans, and Jess started seizing. I immediately went back to old 3:1 plans and she stopped - this is unheard of for Jess, once she starts she is guaranteed to seize from anywhere from 7-14 days. when I went back and questioned dietican, the carbs had increased dramatically with the ratio drop, don't remember the exactly numbers now but something like btn 15-20%. I asked her to redo at 2.7:1 ratio but with protien slant. She did, kept carb increase down to less than 5% and we went back to 2.7:1 for a while with no problems. I think often its not the ratio drop itself that does people in but the dramatic carb increase , 's mom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2003 Report Share Posted May 1, 2003 Jane Praeger wrote: > -- thats an interesting point -- and seems to have been our > > experience as well. It could be that when I went to popcorn, the carb > ratio > was too high, and that was why he started seizing again. (it could > have > been the corn too. Just don't know.) Actually we have heard similar stories with popcorn, in that case it seems to be more, or at least equally, related to the fact that is it is corn. Perhaps a problem with starch for some? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2003 Report Share Posted May 1, 2003 Patti wrote: > , > Yes, very well put. That was a big ratio drop all at once..... so that > would really boost the carbs way high if protein wasn't increased a > bit, too. Where did you end up setting the protein? How many gms per > kilo? > Geez, that was many many moons ago.....with a lot of bumps between then and now. Hard to believe we have been doing this 5+ years and frankly, I am getting very tired of it.....but thats a story for another day To answer your question, I think we are around 1.2 or 1.3 g/kg right now, not sure of exacty numbers. We were up to close to 1.5g/kg at one point, which dietican was okay with but had to come down when we upped ratio again. Actually I was amazed by how much a ratio drop of 0.3 (dr and dietician had recommended dropping by 0.5 and I said no) upped the carb allowance > I can hear the frog rattling..... so must go. (Katera wakes up and > searches her bed for her favorite stuffed frog toy..... which has a > rattle inside...... and sits there shaking it. We hear it through the > monitor and know she's awake....... that's our Katera alarm!) Too cute! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2003 Report Share Posted May 1, 2003 Patti -- I think its quite possible that grain (or other kinds of brain inflammatories) are the culprits. Nobody really understands how and why the diet works, right? I think its also probably finding the right balance of protein to carbs for everykid. We did increase carbs with the calorie/ratio increase, just increased protein more. It may be that when kids are going through a growth spurt, for example, they need more protein. I have certainly seen that when I give Leo the new low-carb bread breakfast, he gets hungrier faster. On the old plan, he rarely did. I didn't realize Katera had been on the SC diet for two weeks. We're all keeping our eyes glued to the computer screen waiting to hear how it goes! With continued success, I hope! Best, Jane Re: low-carb bread question , Yes, very well put. That was a big ratio drop all at once..... so that would really boost the carbs way high if protein wasn't increased a bit, too. Where did you end up setting the protein? How many gms per kilo? Jane, Yes, it does sound like your dietician has a lot of years of experience there. Sorry.... I didn't mean to be criticizing her. Maybe it's just the way it sounded to me...... as if you were holding the carbs really low, maybe even at the same level they were at the higher ratio (??), and just increasing the protein considerably beyond what his body requires as a bottom line. I do see the logic in what pointed out, though. Grain-based carbs...... somehow I think that's the key..... staying away from those. We're two weeks+ into the SCDiet and I'm not going to start really shouting about the grain thing until or unless we end up going a few more weeks seizure free. I can hear the frog rattling..... so must go. (Katera wakes up and searches her bed for her favorite stuffed frog toy..... which has a rattle inside...... and sits there shaking it. We hear it through the monitor and know she's awake....... that's our Katera alarm!) Patti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2003 Report Share Posted May 1, 2003 /Patti -- Leo's protein is also at about 1.3-1.4g/kilo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2003 Report Share Posted May 2, 2003 Patti wrote: > I'm trying to think back...... when we had breakthroughs starting up > last summer, we realised Katera had gained too much weight so the > dietician had us cut calories but she also admonished me for raising > her protein up so high...... I had her at 1.2 g/kilo. We were only at > a 2.2:1 ratio so.... plenty of carbs there. Still making ketones of > 80-160. Hmmmm...... I don't know. I never could get rid of the once > a month partials after that..... so I took her off the diet > altogether. I just didn't think I could stand it another second after > all that time. > I really seriously do not think 1.2g/kg is at all too high. From my understanding up to 1.5g/kg is pretty safe. And even beyond that, there are ways to monitor kidney function. But ideally I would like to have Jess around 1.5g/kg. Just not going to happen at the moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 Jane, I don't know anything about the bread, but just had a protein comment. I forget why now..... but there was a discussion some time back about why going over the protein recommendation can backfire on you. Are his ketones staying up there ...... and no seizures? If you're still struggling with any seizures I'd caution against boosting the protein. I got into trouble doing that. I'll search my memory banks tomorrow and see if I can remember the exact reason why this works counter to the Keto diet. Anyway, just thought I'd mention it. Patti RE: low-carb bread question and others -- Leo is on 2.7 ratio. Several people remarked that the low-carb bread had too much protein. I'm curious as to why that was a problem? I usually try to pack in as much protein as I can (sometimes 1 to 2 g higher than recommended) without tipping ratio. Are you saying it had too much protein by itself or in combination with other things. The bread I am using has 4 g carbs and 6 g protein per 23g slice. Jane -----Original Message----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 <<Also,when we reduced the ratio, my nutritionist told me to keep the carbs quite low and increase the protein, so I did that. Maybe I'll ask her why. Jane>> I personally wouldn't agree with doing that..... and our dietician wouldn't either. Does yours have tons of experience with keto kids? That doesn't seem right to me. Patti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 , Yes, very well put. That was a big ratio drop all at once..... so that would really boost the carbs way high if protein wasn't increased a bit, too. Where did you end up setting the protein? How many gms per kilo? Jane, Yes, it does sound like your dietician has a lot of years of experience there. Sorry.... I didn't mean to be criticizing her. Maybe it's just the way it sounded to me...... as if you were holding the carbs really low, maybe even at the same level they were at the higher ratio (??), and just increasing the protein considerably beyond what his body requires as a bottom line. I do see the logic in what pointed out, though. Grain-based carbs...... somehow I think that's the key..... staying away from those. We're two weeks+ into the SCDiet and I'm not going to start really shouting about the grain thing until or unless we end up going a few more weeks seizure free. I can hear the frog rattling..... so must go. (Katera wakes up and searches her bed for her favorite stuffed frog toy..... which has a rattle inside...... and sits there shaking it. We hear it through the monitor and know she's awake....... that's our Katera alarm!) Patti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 <</Patti -- Leo's protein is also at about 1.3-1.4g/kilo.>> I'm trying to think back...... when we had breakthroughs starting up last summer, we realised Katera had gained too much weight so the dietician had us cut calories but she also admonished me for raising her protein up so high...... I had her at 1.2 g/kilo. We were only at a 2.2:1 ratio so.... plenty of carbs there. Still making ketones of 80-160. Hmmmm...... I don't know. I never could get rid of the once a month partials after that..... so I took her off the diet altogether. I just didn't think I could stand it another second after all that time. Patti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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