Re: Rethinking this whole thing......errrrrrr

[Guest guest]

> Yesterday I went from 175 to 181 lbs from the day before.

> This morning, I was 176. It keeps going up and down like

> that, but I started at 175 so not losing anything. I started

> noticing the bloating yesterday.

Daily weight fluctuation of a few pounds is normal, although 6 pounds is a

bit much. How much water are you drinking? I caught in another posting

that you and dairy don't seem to get along very well -- have you been

consuming much dairy?

> The only thing I discussed with him was when I was on Atkins.

> I told him I had been eating small meals through the day and

> limiting my sugar and carbs. He said that's exactly what I

> should be doing to keep my blood sugar up so I won't have

> the sugar spike episodes.

Whenever you make a significant dietary change you should discuss it with

your physician -- especially if you suffer hypoglycemia, diabetes, or

similar conditions that are so dependent upon diet.

If you've been in phase 1 all this time, I have to wonder just what you're

doing that is so much higher in carbs than you ate while on Atkins. Aside

from fat, the two diets aren't that dissimilar. What are you eating that is

so different? What kind of yogurt are you eating? How much fiber have you

been getting?

[Guest guest]

--- With your special issues, it is wayyyyyyy past time that you make

an appt to talk to a Dietitian.

Kay

In South-Beach-Diet-Getting-It-Right , Misty T

<misty_lt@y...> wrote:

> Well with me feeling the way that I do with the amount of carbs that

I'm getting from dairy and vegetables in this diet, I sure won't move

into phase 2 and add more. It may not be a lot, but it's wearing on

me. Or something else is bc I'm tired!!! And they feel just like

hypoglaucemic spells, the kinds I get from eating too much sugar. I

have low carbed and low sugar for years and it has always helped me to

feel better and not to have these spells. I watch closely what I eat

bc I know how I'm going to feel if I get any carbs or sugar in a high

amount. I eat my snacks every day. I never had this problem when i

was restricting carbs on Atkins, so I guess even the good carbs, I

can't eat.

[Guest guest]

IBS is trickier. Fiber can really bother you if you have it. You have to be careful about how you eat your fiber. One thing I found out this past couple weeks is that the raw fruits and vegetables I was eating on this diet were worsening my IBS and making me constipated. It seems like it should do the opposite, but with IBS, that is how it can affect you. This week, I have cut back on salads, cut out raw veggies for snacks, starting cooking my vegetables more soft and started baking my apples or having applesauce instead of eating them raw, and am feeling a lot better. If you don't want to boil the nutrients out of the veggies, but want them soft, you can cook them in soups, stews, quiches, etc., or steam them longer.

Hmm, ya know since you say this I've been eating A LOT of lettuce bc of my salads. And I hear that can be real hard to digest if you have certain problems. I've also had my gall bladder removed and that makes things difficult for me. So let's see, I'll switch to the Lactaid, cut the lettuce, because really lettuce is the only thing I eat that's raw, and I'll get the Lactaid pills tomorrow, and also see if I can cut out some protein. And I'll start all over again tomorrow bc I took my 7 year old out for pizza after baseball practice tonight >shakes head in shame< Do you take medication for IBS? Is there any? Does it work ?Here is a website about IBS:http://www.aboutibs.org/characteristics.htmlAnd this site has information about which foods cause IBS symptoms:http://www.helpforibs.com/diet/Lactose intolerance won't put on weight, but it will give you awful gas and bloating. IBS can make you put

on weight if you are constipated from it. My scale said I wasn't losing, but had gained, and as soon as the constipation got better, the scale showed a 5 pound loss.

My 5 lbs isn't in constipation, trust me, it's in my hips LOL That thing on my butt that looks like I'm carrying around a lifesaver is back too.

Some people with IBS can't have dairy at all. That can cause constipation. I haven't noticed any problem with my having dairy, though. Try the Lactaid. If the Lactaid pills and Lactaid milk (the 100% lactose reduced) don't help you, then maybe the dairy itself is irritating IBS. We don't have to have the dairy on SBD if we can't have it.

Thanks for the links, I'm reading right now.annHmmm, I've always thought I probably do have IBS but can't get a doctor to diagnose it or give me anything for it. They're just like, well, just eat more fiber.....errrr......I am almost sure it's the dairy causing it. I haven't touched dairy in sooooo long, well except for cheese. But I mean I haven't eaten yogurt or milk or anything for a couple years and I"m only eating it now cuz Dr A says so LOL I will definitely try the Lactaid pills and the Lactaid milk. Could it be what's stopping me from losing weight too?

[Guest guest]

Daily weight fluctuation of a few pounds is normal, although 6 pounds is abit much. How much water are you drinking? I caught in another postingthat you and dairy don't seem to get along very well -- have you beenconsuming much dairy?

Cheese and ff plain yogurt are the dairy Ive been eating. Water is about 60 oz a dayWhenever you make a significant dietary change you should discuss it withyour physician -- especially if you suffer hypoglycemia, diabetes, orsimilar conditions that are so dependent upon diet.If you've been in phase 1 all this time, I have to wonder just what you'redoing that is so much higher in carbs than you ate while on Atkins. Asidefrom fat, the two diets aren't that dissimilar. What are you eating that isso different? What kind of yogurt are you eating? How much fiber have youbeen getting?

In Induction of Atkins, you do not eat as much vegetables as you do on SBD. Which have carbs in them even if they are good carbs. You eat no milk products except yogurt IF it doesn't stall you. Since Atkins is high fat and SBD is not, when you remove fat from something, its usually replaced by carbs.....or sugar for flavor. Pick up a jar of regular salad dressing and a bottle of light salad dressing. The light salad dressing will have more carbs than the regular. As for fiber, I take about 2 tablespoons of benefiber everyday. But the link reading of the IBS was interesting and I've been doing just about everything it says not to, go figure. Except they recommend a rather high starch and carby diet and I ain't goin there. So that explains the bloating to me, but doesn't explain to me why I'm not losing weight. NONE..Zip....zilch..... But I am going to try everything everyone has said to me and see if

it helps.

[Guest guest]

> Cheese and ff plain yogurt are the dairy Ive been eating. Water is

> about 60 oz a day

If you're lactose intolerant, that could easily explain the bloating you're

experiencing. There's also the potential of irritable bowel syndrome or

possibly too much fiber (which plays into IBS).

> In Induction of Atkins, you do not eat as much vegetables as you

> do on SBD. Which have carbs in them even if they are good carbs.

True -- but you're nowhere near to being in induction. During induction

you're limited to what, 20g of carbs a day? After that, when you enter OWL,

you add back in vegetables. SBD is set up a bit differently but phase 1 is

something like being in Atkins OWL, without the high fat.

Atkins OWL is similar to SBD's phase 2 in that you gradually add carbs in 5g

increments until you find your Critical Carbohydrate Level for Losing

(CCLL). In SBD, you do very much the same by adding back certain foods

until you find that point at which your weight loss stops. Granted, Atkins

is a bit more precise and scientific about it but the basic idea is very

similar.

What was your CCLL? Did you ever make it to pre-maintenance?

> You eat no milk products except yogurt IF it doesn't stall you.

Yeah, that is one pretty stark difference -- SBD is all about cheese.

> Since Atkins is high fat and SBD is not, when you remove fat from

> something, its usually replaced by carbs.....or sugar for flavor.

Or salt. Fat, sugar, and salt -- the three flavors of the food industry.

> As for fiber, I take about 2 tablespoons of benefiber everyday.

Is your diet deficient in fiber?

> But the link reading of the IBS was interesting and I've been doing

> just about everything it says not to, go figure. Except they

> recommend a rather high starch and carby diet and I ain't goin

>there.

I did some reading on IBS a while back that said starchy/carby foods were

also a problem. I really need to take the time to learn more about it.

> So that explains the bloating to me, but doesn't explain to me why

> I'm not losing weight. NONE..Zip....zilch..... But I am going to

> try everything everyone has said to me and see if it helps.

Well, you've got me vexed. I can usually pinpoint what the issue is but

this one isn't as easy. The constipation and bloating are undoubtedly

affecting your weight loss. You've spent entirely too much time on phase 1

(and did I just read you want to restart again?) -- you need to move on to

phase 2. In your case, I REALLY think daily tracking with FitDay would be

helpful in hammering out what's going on. I still think you should do a

follow-up with your doctor as well.

[Guest guest]

The only medicines they seem to use are medications to correct

whatever symptoms you currently have, such as Miralax for

constipation, Kaopectate for diarrhea, Metamucil for fiber/regularity,

etc. Charcoal pills work for gas, but they also absorb your vitamins,

so I don't use them.

ann

> Hmm, ya know since you say this I've been eating A LOT of lettuce

bc of my salads. And I hear that can be real hard to digest if you

have certain problems. I've also had my gall bladder removed and that

makes things difficult for me. So let's see, I'll switch to the

Lactaid, cut the lettuce, because really lettuce is the only thing I

eat that's raw, and I'll get the Lactaid pills tomorrow, and also see

if I can cut out some protein. And I'll start all over again tomorrow

bc I took my 7 year old out for pizza after baseball practice tonight

>shakes head in shame< Do you take medication for it?

[Guest guest]

I had just as much dairy on Atkins as I do on SBD.

When I did Atkins, I always ate quiches with plenty of cheese and

heavy whipping cream in them. I made chicken breaded with Parmagiana

cheese. I ate cheeses like provolone and mozzarella for snacking. Even

cheese crisps (fried cheese). Those were all Atkins recipes.

My hubby is still on Atkins and he eats quiches loaded with cheese and

heavy whipping cream, plus sugar free puddings made with heavy

whipping cream. He doesn't eat cheese for snacks, just because he

doesn't like cheese unless it's cooked in something.

At the time I was doing Atkins, I didn't have yogurt. But, now they

have those low carb yogurts and my husband is eating those. So, there

is plenty of dairy on Atkins.

ann

> > You eat no milk products except yogurt IF it doesn't stall you.

>

> Yeah, that is one pretty stark difference -- SBD is all about cheese.

>

[Guest guest]

> I had just as much dairy on Atkins as I do on SBD.

>

> When I did Atkins, I always ate quiches with plenty of cheese

> and heavy whipping cream in them. I made chicken breaded with

> Parmagiana cheese. I ate cheeses like provolone and

> mozzarella for snacking. Even cheese crisps (fried cheese).

> Those were all Atkins recipes.

>

> My hubby is still on Atkins and he eats quiches loaded with

> cheese and heavy whipping cream, plus sugar free puddings

> made with heavy whipping cream. He doesn't eat cheese for

> snacks, just because he doesn't like cheese unless it's

> cooked in something.

>

> At the time I was doing Atkins, I didn't have yogurt. But,

> now they have those low carb yogurts and my husband is eating

> those. So, there is plenty of dairy on Atkins.

During induction?

[Guest guest]

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Yes, during induction. I still have my induction menu. The frittata

and quiche were loaded with cream and cheese. This was it:

Mon:

B-2 scrambled eggs w/2 oz cheddar cheese, 3 oz. sausage; decaf tea

w/½ pack sweet and low, 24 oz water

L-4-6 oz shrimp w/1.5 tsp mayo, and 1 cup salad w/1 tbsp Creamy

Caesar dressing, 16 oz water

D-8-10 oz Hamburgers, 1 cup salad w/1 tbsp blue cheese dressing, 1

cup string beans

S-diet jello with 1 tbsp heavy whipping cream

Tues:

B-4-6 ounces frittata, 16 oz water

L-4-6 ounces leftover hamburger w/2 cups salad and 1 tbsp Italian

dressing

D-8-10 oz Whole chicken with 1 cup broccoli

S- diet jello w/1 tbsp heavy whipping cream

Wed:

B-4-6 ounces leftover frittata

L-4-6 oz leftover chicken, 1 cup salad w/1 tbsp creamy caesar

dressing

D-8-10 oz Meatloaf (meat, pork rind crumbs, 1 tsp water, 1 tsp oil,

soy sauce, spices), 1 cup salad w/1 tbsp creamy caesar dressing, 1

cup zucchini in butter

S-pork rinds

Thurs:

B-3 Scrambled eggs (no milk) w/2 ounces cheddar cheese

L-6 oz leftover chicken, 1 cup salad w/1 tbsp blue cheese dressing

D-8-10 London broil, 1 cup salad w/1 tbsp Italian dressing, 1 cup

broccoli

S-3 turkey slices with 1 tbsp mayo

Fri:

B-Quiche (6 oz cup shredded/sliced cheese, 1/2 cup cream, ¾ lb (12

oz) brown n serve sausages or cooked ham/bacon, 4 eggs. Put meat in

pie dish. Mix and pour other ingredients over it. Bake 350

degrees/45 minutes)

L-6 oz leftover chicken, 1 cup salad w/1 tbsp Italian dressing

D-8-10 oz Salmon, 1 cup salad w/1 tbsp Caesar dressing, 1 cup

cauliflower

S-pork rinds

Sat:

B-3 egg omelette with 1 ounce feta cheese and 6 oz shrimp

L-shrimp salad (2 cups lettuce, 6 oz shrimp, 1 tbsp Caesar dressing)

D-8-10 oz pork, 1 cup string beans

S- diet jello with 1 tbsp heavy whipping cream

Sun:

B-3-egg egg salad w/2 tbsp mayo

L-4-6 oz canned salmon mixed with 1 tbsp mayo

D-out (10 oz beef, salad, veggies)

S- diet jello, 1 cup

Mon:

B-3 scrambled eggs and 4 oz cheese

L-4 oz chicken, 1 cup salad with 1 tbsp creamy caesar dressing

D-8-10 oz tuna, 2 cups salad w/1 tbsp creamy caesar dressing

S-3 oz mozzarella cheese

Tues:

B-2 eggs, 3 oz ham, 1 oz cheddar cheese

L-4-6 oz ham and 1 cup salad with 1 tbsp blue cheese drsg

D-Meatloaf

(meat, pork rind crumbs, 1 tsp water, 1 tsp oil, soy sauce, spices),

1 cup mashed cauliflower with 1 oz. melted cheddar cheese and 1 tbsp

heavy cream (make enough for leftovers), 1 cup salad w/1 tbsp blue

cheese dressing

S-mock danish

(3 ounces of cream cheese, 1 egg beaten, 1/4 tsp vanilla, 1 tsp of

lemon juice, splenda. Melt the cream cheese slowly in a saucepan

over low/med heat Add the vanilla, splenda and lemon juice and stir

til smooth. Add your beaten egg and continue to stir and cook til it

begins to set. Careful not to overcook it. )

Wed:

B-2 scrambled eggs and 4 sausage links

L-4-6 oz lamb and 1 cup salad w/1 tbsp Italian dressing

D-8-10 oz Tilapia in butter, 1 cup salad w/1 tbsp Italian dressing,

1 cup mashed cauliflower with 1 tbsp heavy cream

S- mock danish

Thurs:

B-4 sausage links, 2 eggs

L-4-6 oz ham and 1 cup salad w/1 tbsp caesar dressing

D-8-10 oz Ham, 1 cup salad w/1tbsp caesar dressing, 1 cup string

beans

S- diet jello

Fri:

B-4 sausage, 2 eggs

L-4-6 oz turkey breast lunchmeat, 1 cup salad w/1 tbsp Italian

dressing

D-8-10 oz Chicken breasts in a sauce made of butter, 1 oz cream

cheese, 1 tsp parmigiana cheese, 1 tbsp heavy cream; 1 cup salad w/1

tbsp blue cheese dressing; 1 cup spinach with 1 oz cream cheese, 1

tsp parmigiana cheese, 1 tbsp heavy cream.

S-pork rinds

Sat:

B-3 fried eggs and mock danish

L-4-6 oz tuna mixed with mayo, 1 cup salad w/1 tbsp creamy caesar

dressing

D-8-10 oz meatballs (meat, pork rind crumbs, 1 tsp water, 1 tsp oil,

worcestershire sauce, spices); 1 cup salad with 1 tbsp creamy caesar

dressing, 1 cup broccoli with 1 oz cheddar cheese sauce

S-3 oz cheese

Sun:

B-3-egg egg salad w/2 tbsp mayo, w/4 oz cheese

L-tuna mixed with mayo, 1 cup salad with Italian dressing

D-out (8-10 oz meat, salad)

S-diet jello with 1 tbsp heavy whipping cream

My husband now has yogurt on Atkins, also. There was no low-carb

yogurt back when I did it. Not that I knew of, anyway.

ann

> > I had just as much dairy on Atkins as I do on SBD.

> >

> > When I did Atkins, I always ate quiches with plenty of cheese

> > and heavy whipping cream in them. I made chicken breaded with

> > Parmagiana cheese. I ate cheeses like provolone and

> > mozzarella for snacking. Even cheese crisps (fried cheese).

> > Those were all Atkins recipes.

> >

> > My hubby is still on Atkins and he eats quiches loaded with

> > cheese and heavy whipping cream, plus sugar free puddings

> > made with heavy whipping cream. He doesn't eat cheese for

> > snacks, just because he doesn't like cheese unless it's

> > cooked in something.

> >

> > At the time I was doing Atkins, I didn't have yogurt. But,

> > now they have those low carb yogurts and my husband is eating

> > those. So, there is plenty of dairy on Atkins.

>

> During induction?

[Guest guest]

> Yes, during induction. I still have my induction menu. The

> frittata and quiche were loaded with cream and cheese. This was it:

Wow -- I had no idea you could do dairy during Induction. I really need to

re-read the book/guidelines for Atkins -- it's been a while.

Thanks for the info!