Guest guest Posted October 3, 2000 Report Share Posted October 3, 2000 I am enjoying the religion/epiphany threads. I found an excellent web page that is devoted to this subject. Metacrock is a self described christian apologist but his essays are interesting no matter what one's beliefs may be. The second page (link) about science is a must. The arguments are thought-provoking: http://www.geocities.com/metagetics/1.htm Jim << I think Dave wrote: i have to agree with this, i had a moment of clarity where everything made sense to me once i took god out of the equation. god clouds reality because if you accept god, you have to ponder the age old questions " why does god allow bad things to happen to good people? " why do people do evil things? there is nothing in world which cannot be explained satisfactorily in the human experience by the sciences. once i was able to see this, i was able to , as they say in AA, accept life on life's terms. god beliefs attempt to frame the world to a pre-conceived image which it doesn't fit. > > > > For someone > > > who > > > > despises A.A you seem to have quite a preoccupation with it. It > > > > would > > > > appear to me that A.A still has a hold on you. > > > > > > I wouldn't speak for , but speaking for myself the above is > > > true. I despise *A sometimes, I am preoccupied with *A sometimes, > > > *A still has a hold on me--SOMETIMES. That is slowly changing for > me. > > > I'm learning to understand my preoccupation and have a little more > > > control of my feelings toward the 12 steps. > > > > I'll very probably be preoccupied with the downfall of AA until AA > is > > relegated to a bad chapter in the history books and the AApes are > ridiculed > > mercilessly in the media and every day life. I've gone on record as > saying > > this should happen within 20 years. I hear that stupid argument > all > the > > time. " for someone who claims not to like AA you sure do seem > preoccupied > > by it " (you dry drunk you) as though that really means anything. > It's human > > nature to be preoccupied with stuff you don't like. Look at the > Moralistic > > Minority, People who hate stern, etc.. > > > > That argument is an AA platitude used against people who are > combating AA > > either online or in person. They all use it as though it were > original and > > significant. > > > > > Now, I am in fact grateful to people here who called me on it > when > I > > unintentionally > > > spoke in patterns that I learned in 12 step treatment and *A. > That's > > > what I see doing with you (and frankly I think he's been > very > > > fair). > > > > oops I think I went past the fair marker just a while ago. Should > have read > > this first. Damn. > > Someone got me a couple of times with stuff I said which made me > watch what > > I said but in doing so I eradicated the negative shit from my > internal > > dialogue. > > > > AA in contrast encourages constant negative internal dialogue. > blahhhhh. > > They can have it. > > > > > If you are uncomfortable here there are other lists that > > > may feel more welcoming to you. If you want to keep arguing with > > > , well that's between you and him--it doesn't bother me. > > > > For some reason this one has become personal. I think it was the > paranoid > > crack but more likely it was the subliminal cracks being thrown > around. > > I've seen it happen time and time again where people back off on > one > thread > > then use another to make their points in a thinly veiled secretive > manner. > > The only way I've seen to combat that bs is direct and persistent > frontal > > assault until the shit stops. > > > > > It's your thing, do what you wanna do. > > > > > > judith > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2000 Report Share Posted October 3, 2000 > one's beliefs may be. The second page (link) about science is a must. The > arguments are thought-provoking: > > http://www.geocities.com/metagetics/1.htm > I just discovered an apparent problem with navigating this site. Hitting " next " at the bottom of each page only works for several levels then returns errors. It can be got around by manually inserting the next number in the browser url: http://www.geocities.com/Metagetics/6.htm becomes http://www.geocities.com/Metagetics/7.htm and so on. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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