Re: Reply - All against AA?

[Guest guest]

Roy, Are you sure about the long term sobriety thing? I've met a lot of people

who have 17 yrs.

and up. Maybe that's just long term tome I'm hanging on at 44 days. I'll be

interested to hear

more from you.

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Be well in your day God bless,

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[Guest guest]

> Roy, Are you sure about the long term sobriety thing? I've met a lot

of people who have 17 yrs.

> and up. Maybe that's just long term tome I'm hanging on at 44 days.

I'll be interested to hear

> more from you.

HI

The first year is the riskiest bit, where most ppl fail. After two,

the risks go down a lot; after five; your odds are very good. So if

you can make it for 5, then you should be good for life if thats what

you want. your best bet is if youre one of the ones who never went to

rehab or AA - but dont let that bother you if youve been.

Best,

Pete

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I'm not sure about much anymore. I do know that If I don't pay much

attention to not drinking, and just don't drink, I don't seem to miss it at

all. I rarely even think about it. When I go to lots of meetings, it ends up

on my mind a lot... not good for me.

Actually, I forgot what I wrote you in regards to the long-term sobriety

issue. I'll have to go back through my sent mail and try and find it.

While I'm thinking of it, I love your screen name/address (too cute...)

Regarding 44 days... that's great. My [very humble] advice is to NOT get

obsessive over days, months, etc. Nor do I particularly like the " one day at

a time " baloney. That makes it seem as though we will [forever] struggle

with this - we do not have to. I relapsed a little over a month ago, and

after a couple of days drinking (and feeling sorry for myself) I stopped.

This time I quit... not for today... I quit. PERIOD. NO MORE. That thought

doesn't scare me at all - actually, I find it very comfortable. Much more

comfortable than making it an ongoing ordeal... just for today, I won't

drink...

Am I making any sense, or just rambling?

Roy (royflanigan@...)

Re: Reply - All against AA?

> Roy, Are you sure about the long term sobriety thing? I've met a lot of

people who have 17 yrs.

> and up. Maybe that's just long term tome I'm hanging on at 44 days. I'll

be interested to hear

> more from you.

>

> =====

> Be well in your day God bless,

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

> I've been to both so wish me luck

well, fwiw ppl who get rehabbed are supposed to do better on average

if they *do* go to AA, but I guess that depends if the programming

sticks. If you didnt bite or are deprogramming yourself, then I bet

you go back to being better off away from AA again!

P.

[Guest guest]

> Roy, Are you sure about the long term sobriety thing? I've met a

lot of people who have 17 yrs.

> and up. Maybe that's just long term tome I'm hanging on at 44 days.

--

People who quit engaging in a self-destructive behavior and move

on with their lives don't attend meetings, so you don't realize

they're out there.

In my own experience, the people who are preoccupied with " having

time " are the most likely to have little else in their lives.

[Guest guest]

,

Can I fwd this on to a psychologists' list? There are a few " AA never

did anybody any harm " types there.

P.

> Hi Roy;

>

> Your response to makes a lot of sense to me.

>

> Doing the one day at a time for thirty years I managed usually

> about three months at a time(11 months once) alcohol free. After a

> big controversy in AA, I quit, AA that is. Strangely I stayed

alcohol

> free for 9 years. I did however drink again, took me three months

> to get straight again.

>

> Things are going reasonably well now. Contrary to AA doctrine I

> did not lose everything, though it seemed like it at the time.

>

> A cop who knows me and lives three blocks away had me comitted

> to treatment. In treatment I realized how well off I was compared

to

> most folks there.

>

> However, treatment didn't stop me. Three weeks after treatment I

> was back at it.

>

> One morning through the sweats and the shakes I decided I'd

> enjoyed as much of that as I could stand. Soo I'm back among the

> living now, though it took the last five months to get my bills paid

> up enough to get my phone and net connection back.

>

> Over time, twelve step thinking has done me about the same

> damage as alcohol and I do not exaggerate there.

>

> So yes, I take your point

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Roy;

Your response to makes a lot of sense to me.

Doing the one day at a time for thirty years I managed usually

about three months at a time(11 months once) alcohol free. After a

big controversy in AA, I quit, AA that is. Strangely I stayed alcohol

free for 9 years. I did however drink again, took me three months

to get straight again.

Things are going reasonably well now. Contrary to AA doctrine I

did not lose everything, though it seemed like it at the time.

A cop who knows me and lives three blocks away had me comitted

to treatment. In treatment I realized how well off I was compared to

most folks there.

However, treatment didn't stop me. Three weeks after treatment I

was back at it.

One morning through the sweats and the shakes I decided I'd

enjoyed as much of that as I could stand. Soo I'm back among the

living now, though it took the last five months to get my bills paid

up enough to get my phone and net connection back.

Over time, twelve step thinking has done me about the same

damage as alcohol and I do not exaggerate there.

So yes, I take your point