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In a message dated 3/20/00 9:11:43 AM Pacific Standard Time,

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> I sometimes think I have no milk in there, and that maybe she is not gtting

> enough milk,

Becky,

Im sorry but I have forgotten how old your daughter is. is 6

1/2 months old and she definitely uses me as a pacifier, she has since birth.

I think that it is a wonderful and very tiring at times, she is definitely

not a baby that *gets down to business* and just feeds, she takes her sweet

time and at times can take up to and even go over an hour to let go from the

breast, She will most days want to nurse every three hours, but there are

still days that she wants to be at the breast even sooner than that. She is

also the kind of baby that wants to go to sleep nursing (perfectly normal)

but wants to sippy nurse most of the time she is asleep if she does let go

and I get to sneak off the bed she wakes up in 15 min or so. If your baby is

a *snacker * like mine is I am sure you have more than enough milk, when they

eat so often the breast doesn't seem full because it is constantly getting

used.

<<sometimes she just does not seem full.>>

I think babies have such tiny tummy's that some babies need to eat more often

and breastmilk is so easily digested that there bodies use it more quickly,

therefore needing to eat frequently. I hope this helps you out some.

Rhonda,

Mom to Five girls

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Beckie,

Glad to hear that you had a good time at the movie. I like to think of it

as pacifiers being designed to be used like a breast nipple as opposed to

saying she is using you as a pacifier. Pacifiers were created so that

formula fed babies could do non-nutritive sucking without getting a ton of

formula and getting sick. Babies are very good at changing the pattern of

sucking to get what they need at the breast. Since milk doesn't come

pouring out like from a bottle they are able to modify their suck to just

gain comfort and not get a lot of milk. This comfort sucking is very

important for some babies. Others seem to not really need it. Each baby

has a different level of sucking need. I find that meeting all my babies

needs at my breast help me to feel confident and capable. (not saying that

someone who chooses a paci, is not either of those but just a personal

feeling I get) For me personally relying on bottles and pacifiers (which I

have done in the past) gave me a feeling that I wasn't quite capable of

meeting all my baby's needs. Since having ditched the bottles and

pacifiers, I feel more confident and relaxed and I also have a better milk

supply than I have ever had with either of my babies. So to answer you

question, yes she probably is using you as a pacifier. Only you can decide

if you want to meet all her needs at your breast or introduce a pacifier to

meet them. HTH

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my baby eats a lot

I sometimes think I have no milk in there, and that maybe she is not gtting

enough milk, but she wets a lot, and poopys a lot. but sometimes she

nurses non stop, just like the other night she nursed evevery hour, but

last night she slept 2, 5 hour stretches. and I woke up so full leaking,

and then after she nursed I pumped out another 5 ounces. could she be

trying to use me as a pacifer too, or could she take longer to build my

supply up becasue fo the problems we had in the begginning. sometimes she

just does not seem full.

by the way, the movie was great, we took hr, and she nursed before we went

in(we got their 30 minutes early, and had to wait for 20 minutes) and the

theatre was so hot, she slept almost until the end of the movie(with me

holding her) and nursed little at the end. she did not cry at all.

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Hi Beckie,

If she is wetting, pooping, & gaining wt then

she is getting enough. Don't let anyone tell you different and make you

feel like you should supplement with formula - this happened to me with

my first son (among other things) and I ended up weaning within a month

because my milk dried up. My daughter, Haylee, (1/25/00) will do the same

as your daughter - one day she'll do great then the next she practically

stays attached all day! lol I think its a combination of things - yes,

they do use them as pacifiers for comfort but they also will nurse more

when they are going through a growth spurt. It's natures way of increasing

your milk supply. :) ~Kris

Beckie wrote:

I sometimes think I have no milk in there, and that maybe she is

not gtting

enough milk, but she wets a lot, and poopys a lot. but sometimes

she

nurses non stop, just like the other night she nursed evevery hour,

but

last night she slept 2, 5 hour stretches. and I woke up so

full leaking,

and then after she nursed I pumped out another 5 ounces.

could she be

trying to use me as a pacifer too, or could she take longer to

build my

supply up becasue fo the problems we had in the begginning. sometimes

she

just does not seem full.

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Beckie,

Our babies sound a lot alike lol. Sam (2/10/00) is at the breast alot,

sometimes he eats with ferocity, sometimes he nibbles, sometimes he just

likes to hang there. He also wets alot, and was also having a bm at

every diaper change, but for the last two days seems to only have two

bm's a day,(still wetting plenty tho). He is also passing lots of

gas. Joan

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In a message dated 03/21/2000 11:54:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Lizery@... writes:

<< Pacifiers were created so that

formula fed babies could do non-nutritive sucking without getting a ton of

formula and getting sick. Babies are very good at changing the pattern of

sucking to get what they need at the breast. >>

I know that I've heard and read that long ago, before pacifiers etc .. (I

don't know how far it goes back). That to pacify a crying baby that wants to

suck, that mommies of yesteryear used to offer a wet wash cloth to suck on.

It helps with things like teething and also offers an alternative to nursing

non stop. So I don't know that pacifiers were only developed to mollify that

need for non nutritive sucking of only formula fed babies. It seems that

babies need to suck and mother's have been coming up with alternatives for

years. Just my .02.

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In a message dated 03/21/2000 2:11:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,

NatureBaby@... writes:

<< don't think

just because we have been doing something for a long time that it

necessarily means that its productive or positive. >>

I didn't mean to imply that offering a wet washcloth is a great choice in

satisfying a babies need to suck .. my only point was that people long before

formula, bottles, etc .. were ever invented people were trying to come up

with ways to pacify their babies. That was all that was intended by that

post! Sorry to mislead anyone! LOL :)

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In a message dated 03/21/2000 2:11:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,

NatureBaby@... writes:

<< If a baby has a very

high suck need I would first recommend letting the baby pacify at the

breast, if this isn't possible than I would suggest a finger to suck on. >>

I myself have done this on many a car ride! :)

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thanks all who answered me, I appreciate all the feedback, today she is not

nursing as much, and i am leaking, so I guess I cant win:-) at least I

know I ahve plent of milk now.

I do have another question, she spits up a lot, is this normal for breasted

babies, or is she having a reaction to something I am eating, my other 2

did not spit up at all, and she does a lot, and lots of it when she does.

Beckie

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> To: breastfeedingonelist

> Subject: Re: my baby eats a lot

> Date: Monday, March 20, 2000 8:41 PM

>

Hi Beckie,

If she is wetting, pooping, & gaining wt then she is

getting enough. Don't let anyone tell you different and make

you feel like you should supplement with formula - this

happened to me with my first son (among other things) and I

ended up weaning within a month because my milk dried up. My

daughter, Haylee, (1/25/00) will do the same as your

daughter - one day she'll do great then the next she

practically stays attached all day! lol I think its a

combination of things - yes, they do use them as pacifiers

for comfort but they also will nurse more when they are

going through a growth spurt. It's natures way of increasing

your milk supply. :) ~Kris

Beckie wrote:

>

>

> I sometimes think I have no milk in there, and that maybe

> she is not gtting

> enough milk, but she wets a lot, and poopys a lot. but

> sometimes she

> nurses non stop, just like the other night she nursed

> evevery hour, but

> last night she slept 2, 5 hour stretches. and I woke up

> so full leaking,

> and then after she nursed I pumped out another 5 ounces.

> could she be

> trying to use me as a pacifer too, or could she take

> longer to build my

> supply up becasue fo the problems we had in the

> begginning. sometimes she

> just does not seem full.

> Bekcie

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<>Pacifiers were created so that

formula fed babies could do non-nutritive sucking without getting a ton of

formula and getting sick. Babies are very good at changing the pattern of

sucking to get what they need at the breast. <>

Fabulous post Wendi! May I repost it to another list I am on??

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Beckie,

Is she spitting up like she is overfull and some is running out or is she

actually vomiting semi-digested stomach contents? (sorry to be gross)

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Re: my baby eats a lot

> Date: Monday, March 20, 2000 8:41 PM

>

Hi Beckie,

If she is wetting, pooping, & gaining wt then she is

getting enough. Don't let anyone tell you different and make

you feel like you should supplement with formula - this

happened to me with my first son (among other things) and I

ended up weaning within a month because my milk dried up. My

daughter, Haylee, (1/25/00) will do the same as your

daughter - one day she'll do great then the next she

practically stays attached all day! lol I think its a

combination of things - yes, they do use them as pacifiers

for comfort but they also will nurse more when they are

going through a growth spurt. It's natures way of increasing

your milk supply. :) ~Kris

Beckie wrote:

>

>

> I sometimes think I have no milk in there, and that maybe

> she is not gtting

> enough milk, but she wets a lot, and poopys a lot. but

> sometimes she

> nurses non stop, just like the other night she nursed

> evevery hour, but

> last night she slept 2, 5 hour stretches. and I woke up

> so full leaking,

> and then after she nursed I pumped out another 5 ounces.

> could she be

> trying to use me as a pacifer too, or could she take

> longer to build my

> supply up becasue fo the problems we had in the

> begginning. sometimes she

> just does not seem full.

> Bekcie

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Liz,

Feel free to share it. :D

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<>Pacifiers were created so that

formula fed babies could do non-nutritive sucking without getting a ton of

formula and getting sick. Babies are very good at changing the pattern of

sucking to get what they need at the breast. <>

Fabulous post Wendi! May I repost it to another list I am on??

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It is also common to offer prelacteal feeds (of gruel and porridge) and

throw out the colostrum as many cultures think it is poison. I don't think

just because we have been doing something for a long time that it

necessarily means that its productive or positive. I do think that many

babies have a much higher need to suck than other babies. Letting a young

baby suck on a washcloth soaked in water is the same as giving supplemental

water which isn't recommended in the first 6 months. If a baby has a very

high suck need I would first recommend letting the baby pacify at the

breast, if this isn't possible than I would suggest a finger to suck on.

This assures that the baby maintains a good suck (without getting nipple

confusion) and also allows the baby the human closeness that is so necessary

in the early months.

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From: Nitome@...

In a message dated 03/21/2000 11:54:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Lizery@... writes:

<< Pacifiers were created so that

formula fed babies could do non-nutritive sucking without getting a ton of

formula and getting sick. Babies are very good at changing the pattern of

sucking to get what they need at the breast. >>

I know that I've heard and read that long ago, before pacifiers etc .. (I

don't know how far it goes back). That to pacify a crying baby that wants

to

suck, that mommies of yesteryear used to offer a wet wash cloth to suck on.

It helps with things like teething and also offers an alternative to nursing

non stop. So I don't know that pacifiers were only developed to mollify that

need for non nutritive sucking of only formula fed babies. It seems that

babies need to suck and mother's have been coming up with alternatives for

years. Just my .02.

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Beckie,

It sounds perfectly normal. Many babies spit up because the valve of their

stomach is immature and will allow some liquid out when they burp. I

wouldn't worry about it at all. Even if it was semi-digested it usually is

nothing to worry about. It can be the sign of a food sensitivity is why I

asked.

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Re: my baby eats a lot

> > Date: Monday, March 20, 2000 8:41 PM

> >

> Hi Beckie,

> If she is wetting, pooping, & gaining wt then she is

> getting enough. Don't let anyone tell you different and make

> you feel like you should supplement with formula - this

> happened to me with my first son (among other things) and I

> ended up weaning within a month because my milk dried up. My

> daughter, Haylee, (1/25/00) will do the same as your

> daughter - one day she'll do great then the next she

> practically stays attached all day! lol I think its a

> combination of things - yes, they do use them as pacifiers

> for comfort but they also will nurse more when they are

> going through a growth spurt. It's natures way of increasing

> your milk supply. :) ~Kris

>

> Beckie wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > I sometimes think I have no milk in there, and that maybe

> > she is not gtting

> > enough milk, but she wets a lot, and poopys a lot. but

> > sometimes she

> > nurses non stop, just like the other night she nursed

> > evevery hour, but

> > last night she slept 2, 5 hour stretches. and I woke up

> > so full leaking,

> > and then after she nursed I pumped out another 5 ounces.

> > could she be

> > trying to use me as a pacifer too, or could she take

> > longer to build my

> > supply up becasue fo the problems we had in the

> > begginning. sometimes she

> > just does not seem full.

> > Bekcie

>

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Joan, Mikayla's BM's are about 2-3 a day now too, she use to be poopy at

evry diaper change also.

Beckie

and Mikayla 2/17/00

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> To: breastfeedingonelist

> Subject: Re: my baby eats a lot

> Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 2:51 AM

>

>

>

> Beckie,

> Our babies sound a lot alike lol. Sam (2/10/00) is at the breast alot,

> sometimes he eats with ferocity, sometimes he nibbles, sometimes he just

> likes to hang there. He also wets alot, and was also having a bm at

> every diaper change, but for the last two days seems to only have two

> bm's a day,(still wetting plenty tho). He is also passing lots of

> gas. Joan

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I think it is just running out, there is no semi-digested stomahce

contents, it seems to be when she burbs, she spits up, but it looks like a

lot.

Beckie

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> To: breastfeedingonelist

> Subject: RE: my baby eats a lot

> Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 8:54 AM

>

>

>

> Beckie,

>

> Is she spitting up like she is overfull and some is running out or is she

> actually vomiting semi-digested stomach contents? (sorry to be gross)

>

> Wendi

> http://www.lactivist.com

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>

>

> Re: my baby eats a lot

> > Date: Monday, March 20, 2000 8:41 PM

> >

> Hi Beckie,

> If she is wetting, pooping, & gaining wt then she is

> getting enough. Don't let anyone tell you different and make

> you feel like you should supplement with formula - this

> happened to me with my first son (among other things) and I

> ended up weaning within a month because my milk dried up. My

> daughter, Haylee, (1/25/00) will do the same as your

> daughter - one day she'll do great then the next she

> practically stays attached all day! lol I think its a

> combination of things - yes, they do use them as pacifiers

> for comfort but they also will nurse more when they are

> going through a growth spurt. It's natures way of increasing

> your milk supply. :) ~Kris

>

> Beckie wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > I sometimes think I have no milk in there, and that maybe

> > she is not gtting

> > enough milk, but she wets a lot, and poopys a lot. but

> > sometimes she

> > nurses non stop, just like the other night she nursed

> > evevery hour, but

> > last night she slept 2, 5 hour stretches. and I woke up

> > so full leaking,

> > and then after she nursed I pumped out another 5 ounces.

> > could she be

> > trying to use me as a pacifer too, or could she take

> > longer to build my

> > supply up becasue fo the problems we had in the

> > begginning. sometimes she

> > just does not seem full.

> > Bekcie

>

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Actually, sometimes its curdy looking(she did this today) what kind of

food sensitivity could it be, if it is?

Beckie

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> Subject: RE: my baby eats a lot

> Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 11:20 AM

>

>

>

> Beckie,

>

> It sounds perfectly normal. Many babies spit up because the valve of

their

> stomach is immature and will allow some liquid out when they burp. I

> wouldn't worry about it at all. Even if it was semi-digested it usually

is

> nothing to worry about. It can be the sign of a food sensitivity is why

I

> asked.

>

> Wendi

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>

>

> Re: my baby eats a lot

> > > Date: Monday, March 20, 2000 8:41 PM

> > >

> > Hi Beckie,

> > If she is wetting, pooping, & gaining wt then she is

> > getting enough. Don't let anyone tell you different and make

> > you feel like you should supplement with formula - this

> > happened to me with my first son (among other things) and I

> > ended up weaning within a month because my milk dried up. My

> > daughter, Haylee, (1/25/00) will do the same as your

> > daughter - one day she'll do great then the next she

> > practically stays attached all day! lol I think its a

> > combination of things - yes, they do use them as pacifiers

> > for comfort but they also will nurse more when they are

> > going through a growth spurt. It's natures way of increasing

> > your milk supply. :) ~Kris

> >

> > Beckie wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > I sometimes think I have no milk in there, and that maybe

> > > she is not gtting

> > > enough milk, but she wets a lot, and poopys a lot. but

> > > sometimes she

> > > nurses non stop, just like the other night she nursed

> > > evevery hour, but

> > > last night she slept 2, 5 hour stretches. and I woke up

> > > so full leaking,

> > > and then after she nursed I pumped out another 5 ounces.

> > > could she be

> > > trying to use me as a pacifer too, or could she take

> > > longer to build my

> > > supply up becasue fo the problems we had in the

> > > begginning. sometimes she

> > > just does not seem full.

> > > Bekcie

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> mommies of yesteryear used to offer a wet wash cloth to suck on.

My grandmother (80s) talks about a " sugar tit " that she used, and that

other mothers in her generation used before pacifiers became " in. "

Essentially, it was cheesecloth with a sugar cube inside... that was

sometimes dipped in bourbon for teething pain.

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They were trying to come up with ways to pacify babies but it wasn't until

formula came into vogue that pacifiers became standard.

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Re: my baby eats a lot

From: Nitome@...

In a message dated 03/21/2000 2:11:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,

NatureBaby@... writes:

<< don't think

just because we have been doing something for a long time that it

necessarily means that its productive or positive. >>

I didn't mean to imply that offering a wet washcloth is a great choice in

satisfying a babies need to suck .. my only point was that people long

before

formula, bottles, etc .. were ever invented people were trying to come up

with ways to pacify their babies. That was all that was intended by that

post! Sorry to mislead anyone! LOL :)

<3 B

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Beckie,

Dairy (including casein and whey), soy, citrus, wheat, nuts, strawberries or

chocolate and/or anything that your family has a history of being allergic

to.

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Re: my baby eats a lot

> > > Date: Monday, March 20, 2000 8:41 PM

> > >

> > Hi Beckie,

> > If she is wetting, pooping, & gaining wt then she is

> > getting enough. Don't let anyone tell you different and make

> > you feel like you should supplement with formula - this

> > happened to me with my first son (among other things) and I

> > ended up weaning within a month because my milk dried up. My

> > daughter, Haylee, (1/25/00) will do the same as your

> > daughter - one day she'll do great then the next she

> > practically stays attached all day! lol I think its a

> > combination of things - yes, they do use them as pacifiers

> > for comfort but they also will nurse more when they are

> > going through a growth spurt. It's natures way of increasing

> > your milk supply. :) ~Kris

> >

> > Beckie wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > I sometimes think I have no milk in there, and that maybe

> > > she is not gtting

> > > enough milk, but she wets a lot, and poopys a lot. but

> > > sometimes she

> > > nurses non stop, just like the other night she nursed

> > > evevery hour, but

> > > last night she slept 2, 5 hour stretches. and I woke up

> > > so full leaking,

> > > and then after she nursed I pumped out another 5 ounces.

> > > could she be

> > > trying to use me as a pacifer too, or could she take

> > > longer to build my

> > > supply up becasue fo the problems we had in the

> > > begginning. sometimes she

> > > just does not seem full.

> > > Bekcie

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Your grandmother would have been alive when people were using bottles of

Carnation milk to feed their children (not formula, before that was

invented!) I know that my mother was fed carnation milk as a baby (she was

born in 48, my grandmother is now 82)

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> Nitome@... wrote:

> > mommies of yesteryear used to offer a wet wash cloth to suck on.

>

> My grandmother (80s) talks about a " sugar tit " that she used, and that

> other mothers in her generation used before pacifiers became " in. "

> Essentially, it was cheesecloth with a sugar cube inside... that was

> sometimes dipped in bourbon for teething pain.

>

> Sometimes progress is good, even when it's not!

>

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