Re: dislocated shoulder blade?

[Guest guest]

Bonnie,

Hope that 's surgery goes well and her shoulder feels better . Sara has

had similar stuff and I get a bad pain deep down in my shoulder blade but

mine is from some kind of bursitis that makes it so I can't really breathe.

I can relate to the family demands. Although my mom died at 49, I have had to

" parent " too many family members, " outlaws " and be responsible for more than

my share when there are other able-bodied relatives.. real relatives.

Ahhhhhh!!

[Guest guest]

Yipes, Bonnie! If you tried to do all that, you would REALLY be a mess, and

so would everyone else! Or in MY case, they would be, cuz I'd have to beat

the snot out of SOMEONE, if I had to do all that!

You need to do what your heart and body tell you to do. First and foremost,

I know comes first, so take care of her. Secondly, if you don't take

care of YOU, you can't very well take care of ANYONE else, so you need to do

only what you can and have time to do without wearing yourself to a frazzle!

Thirdly, you can go see your Dad when time permits, and call instead; and if

that doesn't satisfy your sister, then so be it! You're not on this world to

be at her beck and call, and if you call, your Dad should know that you love

him and that you care. Since he's a Dad, which means he's also a PARENT, he

should understand coming first in your life.

If you need me to kick some booty, just holler! Or just holler at me anyway,

if it would help you feel better! What are friends for anyway?!?!? I'm

here if you need me, my friend! Please tell I'll be thinking of her

during her surgery, and I hope her shoulder gets better! Please take care of

YOU, too!!!! (That's selfish of me, cuz you're important to me).

Love Lana

[Guest guest]

Wow Bonnie, one of those " when it rains it pours " . You have your hands very

full. But the shoulder blade/scapula can only dislocate at the top of the

shoulder. It is the only place it connects to another bone. I would guess it's

muscular. Let us know what you find out. /C

dislocated shoulder blade?

Has anyone had a dislocated shoulder blade? is complaining of pain in

her left shoulder blade area. It is very tender along the perimeter of the

shoulder blade, over the blade itself, and down around the rib cage

underneath it.

She has oral surgery tomorrow to remove cysts on her gumline and an

overgrowth of gum.

On top of all that, my dad was admitted to the hospital for pneumonia. He

had a respiratory infection that turned into pneumonia. He is almost 87

years old. My sister is demanding I drive an hour one way to go visit him

in the hospital on Tues and Wed. I have a wake/funeral tomorrow for Ray's

great aunt (he can't go as he has to work and is sick on top of everything

else) plus 's oral surgery.

I fully understand what Hennemann is going thru with her mother's

demands as i have this with my sister/dad. Neither of my dad or sister

understand EDS and what it does to both and I.

I did tell my sister I couldn't make it down on Tues (tomorrow) and probably

not on Wed. We go down to my sister/dad's house on Thursday for Thanksgiving

and then on Sat for family photos - if Dad is up to it.

Arrggh!!! I hate the holidays!!

Thank goodness for the EDS lists I belong to for " family " who understands!

Bonnie

bonnieh4455@...

[Guest guest]

It might be a 'winging scapula'? Just a guess.

On 11/24/03 7:30 PM, " ceda " <ceda > wrote:

>

> Subject: Re: dislocated shoulder blade?

>

>... But the shoulder blade/scapula can only dislocate at the top of the

> shoulder. It is the only place it connects to another bone. I would guess

> it's muscular. Let us know what you find out. /C

[Guest guest]

thanks . It's swollen on the medial edge (nearer to the spine part of

the blade) of the muscles next to the shoulder blade...

Yeppers. when it rains it pours around here! We had our first real

snowflakes today...brrrrrr Winter is here!!!

Re: dislocated shoulder blade?

Wow Bonnie, one of those " when it rains it pours " . You have your hands very

full. But the shoulder blade/scapula can only dislocate at the top of the

shoulder. It is the only place it connects to another bone. I would guess

it's muscular. Let us know what you find out. /C

[Guest guest]

That sounds like the rhomboid muscles. Can you feel a tight muscle there? If so,

you could start rubbing it with light pressure with some lotion, and slowly

increase the pressure. If it hurts her lighten the presure. You can also press

the center of the tight spot for about 15 secounds and slowly release. /C

Re: dislocated shoulder blade?

Wow Bonnie, one of those " when it rains it pours " . You have your hands very

full. But the shoulder blade/scapula can only dislocate at the top of the

shoulder. It is the only place it connects to another bone. I would guess

it's muscular. Let us know what you find out. /C

[Guest guest]

what's a winging scapula???

Thanks for any hellp!

Re: dislocated shoulder blade?

>

>... But the shoulder blade/scapula can only dislocate at the top of the

> shoulder. It is the only place it connects to another bone. I would guess

> it's muscular. Let us know what you find out. /C

[Guest guest]

Thanks ....

Re: dislocated shoulder blade?

Bonnie,

Hope that 's surgery goes well and her shoulder feels better . Sara

has

had similar stuff and I get a bad pain deep down in my shoulder blade but

mine is from some kind of bursitis that makes it so I can't really breathe.

I can relate to the family demands. Although my mom died at 49, I have had

to

" parent " too many family members, " outlaws " and be responsible for more than

my share when there are other able-bodied relatives.. real relatives.

Ahhhhhh!!

[Guest guest]

You know those pics of the wing bone/scapula pushing out like a wing? They stand

out away from the body. You'll find pick of it in the files I think.

Gordo put his picks on there if I remember right. So I guess a winged scapula

would be a subluxation or the joint on the top of the shoulder. C

Re: dislocated shoulder blade?

>

>... But the shoulder blade/scapula can only dislocate at the top of the

> shoulder. It is the only place it connects to another bone. I would guess

> it's muscular. Let us know what you find out. /C

[Guest guest]

Yes, you can dislocate your shoulderblade. My 3rd and 4th (4th is

worse) rib on the left hand side have been coming out and not going

back properly now for MONTHS, and when they go out they dislocate my

shoulder blade as it cannot clear them when the ribs are out.

This HURTS and also makes using the associated arm a bit difficult

asnd painful, I get pain in my back around my shoulder blade and

around most of the ribcage, and also in the front either local or for

the entire front of rib cage, I have breathing difficulties sometimes

as well.

Hope this helps

Sharon

> Has anyone had a dislocated shoulder blade? is complaining

of pain in

> her left shoulder blade area. It is very tender along the perimeter

of the

> shoulder blade, over the blade itself, and down around the rib cage

> underneath it.

>

> She has oral surgery tomorrow to remove cysts on her gumline and an

> overgrowth of gum.

>

> On top of all that, my dad was admitted to the hospital for

pneumonia. He

> had a respiratory infection that turned into pneumonia. He is

almost 87

> years old. My sister is demanding I drive an hour one way to go

visit him

> in the hospital on Tues and Wed. I have a wake/funeral tomorrow for

Ray's

> great aunt (he can't go as he has to work and is sick on top of

everything

> else) plus 's oral surgery.

>

> I fully understand what Hennemann is going thru with her

mother's

> demands as i have this with my sister/dad. Neither of my dad or

sister

> understand EDS and what it does to both and I.

>

> I did tell my sister I couldn't make it down on Tues (tomorrow) and

probably

> not on Wed. We go down to my sister/dad's house on Thursday for

Thanksgiving

> and then on Sat for family photos - if Dad is up to it.

>

> Arrggh!!! I hate the holidays!!

>

> Thank goodness for the EDS lists I belong to for " family " who

understands!

>

> Bonnie

> bonnieh4455@s...

[Guest guest]

I agree with about the " dislocation " and even then it wouldn't

be a true dislocation - it would be " separation. " There are

numerous muscles that connect at various locations around the

scapula. She could be getting contractures and/or spasms. I would

also think in terms of ribs being out, particularly since I know she

has had problems with her ribs in the past.

> Wow Bonnie, one of those " when it rains it pours " . You have your

hands very full. But the shoulder blade/scapula can only dislocate

at the top of the shoulder. It is the only place it connects to

another bone. I would guess it's muscular. Let us know what you

find out. /C

>

>

>

> dislocated shoulder blade?

>

>

> Has anyone had a dislocated shoulder blade? is

complaining of pain in

> her left shoulder blade area. It is very tender along the

perimeter of the

> shoulder blade, over the blade itself, and down around the rib

cage

> underneath it.

>

> She has oral surgery tomorrow to remove cysts on her gumline and

an

> overgrowth of gum.

>

> On top of all that, my dad was admitted to the hospital for

pneumonia. He

> had a respiratory infection that turned into pneumonia. He is

almost 87

> years old. My sister is demanding I drive an hour one way to go

visit him

> in the hospital on Tues and Wed. I have a wake/funeral tomorrow

for Ray's

> great aunt (he can't go as he has to work and is sick on top of

everything

> else) plus 's oral surgery.

>

> I fully understand what Hennemann is going thru with her

mother's

> demands as i have this with my sister/dad. Neither of my dad or

sister

> understand EDS and what it does to both and I.

>

> I did tell my sister I couldn't make it down on Tues (tomorrow)

and probably

> not on Wed. We go down to my sister/dad's house on Thursday for

Thanksgiving

> and then on Sat for family photos - if Dad is up to it.

>

> Arrggh!!! I hate the holidays!!

>

> Thank goodness for the EDS lists I belong to for " family " who

understands!

>

> Bonnie

> bonnieh4455@s...

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sounds like it might be the Rhomboids - they attach along the medial

border.

> thanks . It's swollen on the medial edge (nearer to the spine

part of

> the blade) of the muscles next to the shoulder blade...

>

> Yeppers. when it rains it pours around here! We had our first real

> snowflakes today...brrrrrr Winter is here!!!

>

> Re: dislocated shoulder blade?

>

>

> Wow Bonnie, one of those " when it rains it pours " . You have your

hands very

> full. But the shoulder blade/scapula can only dislocate at the top

of the

> shoulder. It is the only place it connects to another bone. I

would guess

> it's muscular. Let us know what you find out. /C

[Guest guest]

No - a " winged scapula " is not a subluxation. There is no true

joint in the scapula to be able to sublux. " Winging " is a function

of the muscles - how tightly do they hold the scapula in position?

>

> > From: " cindy clark " <c-clark05@c...>

> > Subject: Re: dislocated shoulder blade?

> >

> >... But the shoulder blade/scapula can only dislocate at the

top of the

> > shoulder. It is the only place it connects to another bone. I

would guess

> > it's muscular. Let us know what you find out. /C

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

- Minor point, but I seriously doubt that your shoulder pain

is some form of bursitis because bursitis by definition is an

inflammation of a bursa. And I don't recall in any of my training

that there is a bursa involved with the scapula per se - shoulder

yes, scapula, no. You are probably having some type of tendonitis.

If it feels like it is deep, like under the scapula, it is probably

the subscapularis muscle.

> Bonnie,

> Hope that 's surgery goes well and her shoulder feels

better . Sara has

> had similar stuff and I get a bad pain deep down in my shoulder

blade but

> mine is from some kind of bursitis that makes it so I can't really

breathe.

>

> I can relate to the family demands. Although my mom died at 49, I

have had to

> " parent " too many family members, " outlaws " and be responsible for

more than

> my share when there are other able-bodied relatives.. real

relatives.

> Ahhhhhh!!

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It may " feel " like a dislocated shoulder blade but it is technically

not in fact dislocated. What you are getting are rib separations.

The ribs, being out of position, are putting pressure against the

scapula from underneath. This in turn puts pressure on the shoulder

joint and the acromio-clavicular joint (which is the only true joint

involving the scapula). It may not feel like it, but most of your

pain is actually coming from your ribs.

And I know it hurts and that it can be damn painful to even breath.

If you can find a certified or registered Polarity Therapy

practitioner in your area, there are a two or three really effective

Polarity techniques for the spine and ribs. The one specifically

for the ribs is called a Rib Head Release. I had to use it on Kerry

about three times for about four ribs on the trip to Scotland and at

least twice on my wife on the same trip.

> > Has anyone had a dislocated shoulder blade? is

complaining

> of pain in

> > her left shoulder blade area. It is very tender along the

perimeter

> of the

> > shoulder blade, over the blade itself, and down around the rib

cage

> > underneath it.

> >

> > She has oral surgery tomorrow to remove cysts on her gumline and

an

> > overgrowth of gum.

> >

> > On top of all that, my dad was admitted to the hospital for

> pneumonia. He

> > had a respiratory infection that turned into pneumonia. He is

> almost 87

> > years old. My sister is demanding I drive an hour one way to go

> visit him

> > in the hospital on Tues and Wed. I have a wake/funeral tomorrow

for

> Ray's

> > great aunt (he can't go as he has to work and is sick on top of

> everything

> > else) plus 's oral surgery.

> >

> > I fully understand what Hennemann is going thru with her

> mother's

> > demands as i have this with my sister/dad. Neither of my dad or

> sister

> > understand EDS and what it does to both and I.

> >

> > I did tell my sister I couldn't make it down on Tues (tomorrow)

and

> probably

> > not on Wed. We go down to my sister/dad's house on Thursday for

> Thanksgiving

> > and then on Sat for family photos - if Dad is up to it.

> >

> > Arrggh!!! I hate the holidays!!

> >

> > Thank goodness for the EDS lists I belong to for " family " who

> understands!

> >

> > Bonnie

> > bonnieh4455@s...

[Guest guest]

I see an Osteopath, and he is the one who gets my ribs back for my

(GENTLY) they just wont stay there anymore. He was the one who siad

that my shoulderbalde coun't clear my ribs and was being " knocked/

held out of position " by them as it tries to move across them (or

what ever), it basically means that I am having troubles with my

Shoulder blad not being exactly in the position it should be as it

has to sort of sit further out or is pushed there by the ribs and

this is affecting all of the muscles etc. Most of my pain when my

ribs are in in in my shoulder blade especially in the lower 1/2 and

on the spine side, I am having shoulder problems on this side and

thos could be aprtly due to the fact that due to the RSD etc on the

other side and the results of my stabilisation surgery (arthroscopic

thermal shrinkage and debridgement back in Aug 2001) my left arm is

doing more than it's fair share, it is also NOT my dominant hand but

tries to do a lot of it's work (I even drive with it as my car has

been set up to drive with only one hand due to my Right arm problems

with the RSD and everything else.

Thanx again for the explainations etc.

Sharon

> > > Has anyone had a dislocated shoulder blade? is

> complaining

> > of pain in

> > > her left shoulder blade area. It is very tender along the

> perimeter

> > of the

> > > shoulder blade, over the blade itself, and down around the rib

> cage

> > > underneath it.

> > >

> > > She has oral surgery tomorrow to remove cysts on her gumline

and

> an

> > > overgrowth of gum.

> > >

> > > On top of all that, my dad was admitted to the hospital for

> > pneumonia. He

> > > had a respiratory infection that turned into pneumonia. He is

> > almost 87

> > > years old. My sister is demanding I drive an hour one way to

go

> > visit him

> > > in the hospital on Tues and Wed. I have a wake/funeral tomorrow

> for

> > Ray's

> > > great aunt (he can't go as he has to work and is sick on top of

> > everything

> > > else) plus 's oral surgery.

> > >

> > > I fully understand what Hennemann is going thru with her

> > mother's

> > > demands as i have this with my sister/dad. Neither of my dad or

> > sister

> > > understand EDS and what it does to both and I.

> > >

> > > I did tell my sister I couldn't make it down on Tues (tomorrow)

> and

> > probably

> > > not on Wed. We go down to my sister/dad's house on Thursday for

> > Thanksgiving

> > > and then on Sat for family photos - if Dad is up to it.

> > >

> > > Arrggh!!! I hate the holidays!!

> > >

> > > Thank goodness for the EDS lists I belong to for " family " who

> > understands!

> > >

> > > Bonnie

> > > bonnieh4455@s...

[Guest guest]

First, I am glad to hear that you are seeing an osteopath as opposed

to a chiro. Don't get me wrong about chiros - I think some of them

do great work. However, I don't think they are the best approach for

someone with EDS.

The basic difference between the two, even though both do spinal

manipulation, is that chiros TEND to use more aggressive thrust

techniques where osteos use a gentler technique when they do thrust

adjustments at all and more often than not use other techniques

entirely, such as passive positional release, etc. The other (and

major) difference is that osteos are trained and licensed in the

same way as a regular doctor, including being able to prescribe meds

as necessary and even do surgery if they are trained in it. My

first choice for a primary health care provider has always been to

find a good osteopath.

The two also tend to have completely different philosophies. Most

chiros I have seen over the years want to set you up on some kind of

long-term bi-weekly/bi-monthly schedule where osteos want to treat

you and then have you come back only if necessary. Chiros also tend

to fall into the same mind-set as most regular doctors of them being

the know-all, do-all and you are " just " the patient. Osteos, on the

other hand, are more apt to have an attitude that you are

responsible for your own health and are willing to share what they

know and do.

Many, many of the techniques I have learned in the last couple of

years are actually osteopathic techniques. The osteos that came up

with them basically said that their level of training wasn't

required for someone to be able to safely and effectively use the

technique - so they shared with the other health care fields. You

don't see that with chiros and regular doctors.

Beyond that, the explanation your osteo gave you about your shoulder

blade is exactly correct. Ribs attach at the spine by " locking " into

the transverse facets of the vertebrae. They attach in the front at

the edge of the sternum via a cartilage. When they go out (or

separate), they can do it in a couple of different ways. They can

come out and push against the underside of the scapula. They can

also " twist " at the same time.

And you are also right about affecting other muscles. Any time you

have a muscle that is either over or under worked, you are going to

get compensations on the other side of the body, or compensations

with muscles that perform the opposite action to the primary

muscle. And many, many times where you feel the pain is in the

compensating muscle, not the primary muscle that is causing all the

trouble in the first place.

By the way, I didn't mean to sound nit-picking about the technical

distinction or definition on dislocations yesterday. It is just that

I have seen far too many cases in the last couple of years of

misdiagnois and misdescription, including by doctors. My comments

were meant more for the list at large to clarify the point.

Another observation involving ribs and vertebrae is that there are a

number of distinct ways to treat the " problem " depending on the

practitioner you are seeing. With general MD's, the historical

approach is (1) drugs, (2) bed rest, (3) traction and (4) surgery.

For chiros, it is a forceful thrust adjustment. For osteos, it can

be (1) thrust adjustment, (2) drugs or (3) passive muscle release

techniques. For bodyworkers it can be muscle relaxing massage

techniques or energy based releases.

Personally, I am always going to opt for the least invasive method

that works. I will resort to the more aggressive techniques only

after the others don't do the job. In one sense, I learned some of

this the hard way last year when I had a major episode of rib

separation myself. I saw a chiro to take care of it. However, four

sessions over five days resulted in him causing stress fractures in

at least three ribs which subsequently went to full blown

fractures. I ended up with at least three ribs broken in at least

three different places each. I also went through a very miserable

four months and even now after over a year still get an occasional

twinge.

As a plus, however, this is partly what started to open me up to

some of the energy work. After a couple of months of constantly

rebreaking them, I started to do some work on myself. I ended up

repeatedly resetting them myself by simply holding or touching the

break points. My life proceeded to get very interesting from there.

> > > > Has anyone had a dislocated shoulder blade? is

> > complaining

> > > of pain in

> > > > her left shoulder blade area. It is very tender along the

> > perimeter

> > > of the

> > > > shoulder blade, over the blade itself, and down around the

rib

> > cage

> > > > underneath it.

> > > >

> > > > She has oral surgery tomorrow to remove cysts on her gumline

> and

> > an

> > > > overgrowth of gum.

> > > >

> > > > On top of all that, my dad was admitted to the hospital for

> > > pneumonia. He

> > > > had a respiratory infection that turned into pneumonia. He

is

> > > almost 87

> > > > years old. My sister is demanding I drive an hour one way

to

> go

> > > visit him

> > > > in the hospital on Tues and Wed. I have a wake/funeral

tomorrow

> > for

> > > Ray's

> > > > great aunt (he can't go as he has to work and is sick on top

of

> > > everything

> > > > else) plus 's oral surgery.

> > > >

> > > > I fully understand what Hennemann is going thru with

her

> > > mother's

> > > > demands as i have this with my sister/dad. Neither of my dad

or

> > > sister

> > > > understand EDS and what it does to both and I.

> > > >

> > > > I did tell my sister I couldn't make it down on Tues

(tomorrow)

> > and

> > > probably

> > > > not on Wed. We go down to my sister/dad's house on Thursday

for

> > > Thanksgiving

> > > > and then on Sat for family photos - if Dad is up to it.

> > > >

> > > > Arrggh!!! I hate the holidays!!

> > > >

> > > > Thank goodness for the EDS lists I belong to for " family "

who

> > > understands!

> > > >

> > > > Bonnie

> > > > bonnieh4455@s...

[Guest guest]

Thanx Mike,

My Osteo is the person I trust most with ym care. I have seen

Chiro's int he past but my body was going into full body muscle

spasms (EXTREMELY painful) after adjustments and this was scary as

well as very painful, I had episodes where my back had me bowed

backwards from spasm, after this I refused to go back and after quite

a while I decided to try osteopathic treatments instead and LOVE it.

i also have weekly massage therapy and these really are the only 2

things that keep me functioning at the levels I do (which isn't

much). My Osteo is wonderful and is willing to try anythign and learn

anythign to help me (they have even been to my house on weekends

after hours when I had put myself out and couldn't move. I also get a

LOT of migraines if I stop my osteo and massage.

I too would HIGHLY recommend them to anyone wishing to try.

Sharon

> > > > > Has anyone had a dislocated shoulder blade? is

> > > complaining

> > > > of pain in

> > > > > her left shoulder blade area. It is very tender along the

> > > perimeter

> > > > of the

> > > > > shoulder blade, over the blade itself, and down around the

> rib

> > > cage

> > > > > underneath it.

> > > > >

> > > > > She has oral surgery tomorrow to remove cysts on her

gumline

> > and

> > > an

> > > > > overgrowth of gum.

> > > > >

> > > > > On top of all that, my dad was admitted to the hospital for

> > > > pneumonia. He

> > > > > had a respiratory infection that turned into pneumonia. He

> is

> > > > almost 87

> > > > > years old. My sister is demanding I drive an hour one way

> to

> > go

> > > > visit him

> > > > > in the hospital on Tues and Wed. I have a wake/funeral

> tomorrow

> > > for

> > > > Ray's

> > > > > great aunt (he can't go as he has to work and is sick on

top

> of

> > > > everything

> > > > > else) plus 's oral surgery.

> > > > >

> > > > > I fully understand what Hennemann is going thru with

> her

> > > > mother's

> > > > > demands as i have this with my sister/dad. Neither of my

dad

> or

> > > > sister

> > > > > understand EDS and what it does to both and I.

> > > > >

> > > > > I did tell my sister I couldn't make it down on Tues

> (tomorrow)

> > > and

> > > > probably

> > > > > not on Wed. We go down to my sister/dad's house on Thursday

> for

> > > > Thanksgiving

> > > > > and then on Sat for family photos - if Dad is up to it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Arrggh!!! I hate the holidays!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank goodness for the EDS lists I belong to for " family "

> who

> > > > understands!

> > > > >

> > > > > Bonnie

> > > > > bonnieh4455@s...