Re: Did any see Good Morning America this morning? -

[Guest guest]

karen,

So, do you believe it is better to start on an enzyme instead of

restricting the diet to very limited foods until more healing

happens? It seems like it would be expensive for us, since we all

would use them. The supps we use are somewhat expensive, but I think

the enzymes would outweigh it. What do you think about L-glutamine?

We recently started that for the leaky gut issue, as we have been on

SCD for 6 months and not able to eat many of the legals yet. I have

been reading lots about the glutamine, and all positive except one.

That one said they saw no difference using it, but didn't sight how

long they used it. I am also sensitive to papain (burns my mouth,

pineapple, etc). I don't know what enzyme would work well for us.

We are SO super sensitive to everything it seems!

Thanks for all your input. We are doing very well on the diet, but I

feel that we could be doing better.

Tina

>

> If I just walked into any health food store and randomly grabbed 15

> bottles of any of the named antioxidants off the shelf and analyzed

> them and even took them, I would very probably come to the same

> conclusion that they weren't worth the money (worthless). There is

a

> lot of cruddy stuff on the shelves (unfortunately). Couple that

with

> an impaired digestive tract and you would actually metabolize very

> very little. Consider that most magnesium supplements use mag oxide

> and most calcium supps use carbonate. These are cheap ingredients

> that allow a company to boost the claims on the label.

>

> And that he is correct that loading on up synthetic supplements,

with

> fillers, binders and whatever else is in the product can harm your

> health. Nutrients work best and as a whole food. It is very hard to

> similate that dosing one nutrient at a time. They balance each

other.

> Overloading on one nutrient can create a problem elsewhere.

>

> However, if you have a specific need for something, get a GOOD

> quality supplement from a reputable company, have it in the proper

> form, and account for impaired digestion (and take a therapeutic

> amount of the product for your situation), then you would very

likely

> see improvement.

>

> This is played out over and over and over among those who have

taken

> enzymes. The person will be on a heavily restricted diet and taking

> bucketloads of supplements. The person starts enzymes and can put

> back lots of foods in the diet. Plus they can quit with most of the

> supplements. The child gets significantly better.

>

> There have been people that just stopped bucketloads of supplements

> too and gotten much better.

>

> So supplements can be wonderful but you have to be as

discriminating

> and careful as you would a medication. Or considering foods.

>

> .

[Guest guest]

>>>> So, do you believe it is better to start on an enzyme instead of

> restricting the diet to very limited foods until more healing

happens?

My personal opinion is yes because it is more efficient, and I go for

effective and efficient. Also, my background involved knoweledge of

enzymes and so I am very, very comfortable with enzymes. But I

understand one being hesitant if your comfort level on the subject is

not that great.

If someone has not done either food eliminations or enzymes, I

suggest enzymes first because you can get the proactive healing

going, food digestion going, pathogen control, etc., and then spend

more time learning a diet, trying recipes and meals, getting your

child used to it. Usually enzymes are 'mastered' in terms of weeks

while diets are mastered in terms of months.

If you are already starting SCD, then continuing with that before

considering enzymes would be good so you can get it underway and not

confuse what is happening with diet versus what is happening with

enzymes.

If you are including SCD yogurt, then doing enzymes might be helpful

but you might want to pass for awhile. The SCD dairy includes

enzymes, probiotics and other proactive healing elements. Roughly, I

think enzymes would still be helpful but there hasn't been enough

reported experiences to have a strong opinion on this one way or the

other.

If you are not including SCD dairy, then I definitely think enzymes

would be helpful. Over the past year and a half of watching SCD

experiences it seems like the real impact in success and healing

comes when the dairy is included (particularly the yogurt). And it is

after the dairy that people can include more of the approved SCD

foods.

>>> It seems like it would be expensive for us, since we all

> would use them. The supps we use are somewhat expensive, but I

think the enzymes would outweigh it.

Yes, history with enzymes shows that taking the enzymes makes many of

the other commonly used supplements unnecessary, and many previously

restricted foods can be put back in the diet. So you might be

spending money on a bottle or two of enzymes but you are no longer

buying 20 other different supplements (I realize that supplement

vendors may not be thrilled about this from a business point of

view). Enzymes improve the absorption of foods, other supplements,

and med.

Look at it this way: What is the point of taking supplements if they

aren't being absorbed and just passing right on out of the body -

that is money directly down the drain. Most people find that enzyme

therapy is highly cost effective.

Here are other incidentals where money is saved:

- not as many doctor visits, bills

- can take advantage of local sales because more foods can be eaten

- behavioral and educational therapy is much more effective because

child feels better, acts better, and food is not as much as issue

- don't have to spend money repairing broken and damaged household

items because child isn't throwing fits or using things

inappropriately

On this last point, my son was banging his head so forcefully we had

to replace our sofa twice! And there was the crayon on the garage

door, and toy screwdriver down the plumbing, all the ruined clothes,

etc. It adds up. This is not even accounting for improved health and

quality of life issues.

>>>What do you think about L-glutamine?

Just that it sounds good and some do okay with it, but others have

negative reactions because it is a neuro-stimulant (has excitatory

properties). 50 mg of this was included in the very first formulation

of Peptizyde. A number of kids became adversely hyperactively

(irritable, upset, not sleeping, running all around). The glutamine

was removed in the next batch and all this disappeared - the same

kids did quite well with the Peptizyde.

>>>> We recently started that for the leaky gut issue, as we have

been on SCD for 6 months and not able to eat many of the legals yet.

I would go with enzymes first for leaky gut. After that, choices

would be zinc and essential fatty acids. L-glutamine would be way

down the list. Devin Houston said he initially put in it to help with

leaky gut, but it didn't work out that way in real life.

>>>I am also sensitive to papain (burns my mouth, pineapple, etc). I

don't know what enzyme would work well for us. We are SO super

sensitive to everything it seems!

Consider the Peptizyde AFP (this doesn't have papain or bromelain).

Or the Enzymedica Digest Gold. They have another one called Purify

which is just proteases. The Digest Gold has proteases as well as

broad-spectrum food enzymes. Neither of these has papain or bromelain

in it and are SCD okay.

.

[Guest guest]

So, would it be okay just to use the enzyme when eating the goat

yogurt? What about the nut yogurt? Is it just as good probiotic-

wise and everything? My son seesm to handle it much better than the

goat dairy. Although, we never used enzymes with the goat yogurt.

We have been on SCD for 6 months now already. Would you consider

adding the enzyme at this point? It would be for me and my son

both. For the most part, his issues tend to be histamine reactions

like sneezing, runny nose, itching skin, puffy eyes, irritability,

when he has something that his leaky gut cannot handle. (My symptoms

include joint pain, headache, fatigue, itching, brain fog) His poops

are much better, much more formed, most of the time. He is quite

healthy looking and much more affectionate and attentive. He is not

considered autistic, but could have been headed toward that if we had

not caught his problems with diet when we did. I am a ton better,

but like I said, we are still very limited in diet.

Will the enzymes cause any adverse reactions? Will we always have to

keep taking them, or can we stop after a while on the diet? Are

these considered pancreatic enzymes? What are those?

I do believe he is absorbing his food pretty well, much better than

previously, but we still haven't been able to do the goat yogurt,

only nut. And only a little of that at a time...

For the last 4 days, I have been giving him 500 mg of the L-

glutamine, which is half of the adult recommended dose, once a day.

He seems to be doing just fine so far on it. It may be my

imagination, but he seems better than before, not chewing his nails

as much, not sneezing as much in the morning. This morning, his

sneezing fit only lasted for about 6 or 7 sneezes, but there was

almost no mucous, which is an improvement. Yesterday, he didn't have

a sneezing fit at all. I feel better to myself, calmer. Just a

slight difference I cannot altogether explain.

Thanks,

Tina

Tina

>

> >>>> So, do you believe it is better to start on an enzyme instead

of

> > restricting the diet to very limited foods until more healing

> happens?

>

> My personal opinion is yes because it is more efficient, and I go

for

> effective and efficient. Also, my background involved knoweledge of

> enzymes and so I am very, very comfortable with enzymes. But I

> understand one being hesitant if your comfort level on the subject

is

> not that great.

>

> If someone has not done either food eliminations or enzymes, I

> suggest enzymes first because you can get the proactive healing

> going, food digestion going, pathogen control, etc., and then spend

> more time learning a diet, trying recipes and meals, getting your

> child used to it. Usually enzymes are 'mastered' in terms of weeks

> while diets are mastered in terms of months.

>

> If you are already starting SCD, then continuing with that before

> considering enzymes would be good so you can get it underway and

not

> confuse what is happening with diet versus what is happening with

> enzymes.

>

> If you are including SCD yogurt, then doing enzymes might be

helpful

> but you might want to pass for awhile. The SCD dairy includes

> enzymes, probiotics and other proactive healing elements. Roughly,

I

> think enzymes would still be helpful but there hasn't been enough

> reported experiences to have a strong opinion on this one way or

the

> other.

>

> If you are not including SCD dairy, then I definitely think enzymes

> would be helpful. Over the past year and a half of watching SCD

> experiences it seems like the real impact in success and healing

> comes when the dairy is included (particularly the yogurt). And it

is

> after the dairy that people can include more of the approved SCD

> foods.

>

>

> >>> It seems like it would be expensive for us, since we all

> > would use them. The supps we use are somewhat expensive, but I

> think the enzymes would outweigh it.

>

> Yes, history with enzymes shows that taking the enzymes makes many

of

> the other commonly used supplements unnecessary, and many

previously

> restricted foods can be put back in the diet. So you might be

> spending money on a bottle or two of enzymes but you are no longer

> buying 20 other different supplements (I realize that supplement

> vendors may not be thrilled about this from a business point of

> view). Enzymes improve the absorption of foods, other supplements,

> and med.

>

> Look at it this way: What is the point of taking supplements if

they

> aren't being absorbed and just passing right on out of the body -

> that is money directly down the drain. Most people find that enzyme

> therapy is highly cost effective.

>

> Here are other incidentals where money is saved:

> - not as many doctor visits, bills

> - can take advantage of local sales because more foods can be eaten

> - behavioral and educational therapy is much more effective because

> child feels better, acts better, and food is not as much as issue

> - don't have to spend money repairing broken and damaged household

> items because child isn't throwing fits or using things

> inappropriately

>

> On this last point, my son was banging his head so forcefully we

had

> to replace our sofa twice! And there was the crayon on the garage

> door, and toy screwdriver down the plumbing, all the ruined

clothes,

> etc. It adds up. This is not even accounting for improved health

and

> quality of life issues.

>

>

> >>>What do you think about L-glutamine?

>

> Just that it sounds good and some do okay with it, but others have

> negative reactions because it is a neuro-stimulant (has excitatory

> properties). 50 mg of this was included in the very first

formulation

> of Peptizyde. A number of kids became adversely hyperactively

> (irritable, upset, not sleeping, running all around). The glutamine

> was removed in the next batch and all this disappeared - the same

> kids did quite well with the Peptizyde.

>

>

> >>>> We recently started that for the leaky gut issue, as we have

> been on SCD for 6 months and not able to eat many of the legals

yet.

>

> I would go with enzymes first for leaky gut. After that, choices

> would be zinc and essential fatty acids. L-glutamine would be way

> down the list. Devin Houston said he initially put in it to help

with

> leaky gut, but it didn't work out that way in real life.

>

>

> >>>I am also sensitive to papain (burns my mouth, pineapple, etc).

I

> don't know what enzyme would work well for us. We are SO super

> sensitive to everything it seems!

>

> Consider the Peptizyde AFP (this doesn't have papain or bromelain).

> Or the Enzymedica Digest Gold. They have another one called Purify

> which is just proteases. The Digest Gold has proteases as well as

> broad-spectrum food enzymes. Neither of these has papain or

bromelain

> in it and are SCD okay.

>

> .

[Guest guest]

>>> Just a couple of questions on the use of enzymes:

>>> My son has been on enzymes since his has been 3yrs old (he's now

5yrs old). Does the use of enzymes cause the body to rely on them and

not make its own enzymes for digesting?

No. there have been studies done on this because it was never

observed in real life. Taking supplemental enzymes does give the

pancreas a 'rest'. It does not need to produce as many enzymes

because you are supplement them. So the pancrease can take a break.

This also allows the body to use the energy and raw materials it

would need to make digestive enzymes and use those resources for

other functions in the body.

As soon as one stops taking supplemental enzymes, the pancrease revs

up again and starts making whatever amount of enzymes is needed for

the food eaten.

I heard this for so long I finally asked where that idea came from

since it is not supported in medical history. The answer was that it

was thought that the pancrease was a gland like the adrenals. Since

the adrenals can stop functioning when taking certain meds for

adrenals, there was speculation that this might happen with the

pancreas. However, the pancreas is not a pure gland and it does not

function the same. So this whole idea was just an idea that was never

supported with facts. Rather like a vicious urban rumor gone out of

control, eh?!

Actually, you could say the taking supplemental enzymes increases or

restores you natural enzyme production. Say we have an injured gut so

digestion is not functioning well for some reason (most of us here

find or found ourselves in that situation). Taking enzymes help pro-

actively heal the gut. This helps the intestinal lining restore to

proper functioning. Eventually, the enzymes produced in the

intestinal lining grow back again. Another function of the intestinal

lining is that when the stomach acid hits the lining in the small

intestine, this releases the hormore secretin which tells the

pancrease to release enzymes and bicarbonate into the intestines.

Now digestion is proceeding properly and you don't need as many

supplemental enzymes at all. So in fact, taking enzymes reduces food

intolerances and your need for them, as well as increasing your own

internal enzyme production.

This isn't even going into how enzymes provide the nutrients to the

body so it can function better, including to the pancreas so it can

function better.

>>>> Does oxiditive stress mean the body is very acidity,

I don't know.

>>>we have switched to mineralized water instead of reverse omosis

which cause the body to be more acidity. With using enzymes will

this help his stomach be less acidity?

I really don't know. I will ask a couple people who might have ideas.

I would think the acid/alkaline issue would be much more influenced

by what you ate than enzymes. Enzymes break down the food you eat so

it is usuable by the body. They might influence the issue only in

respect to making the acid or alkaline foods more effective for

whichever end you are shooting for.

>>>> What do you think of Kirkman's Enzyme Complete with DPP-IV?

It is an 'okay' average enzyme product but hasn't proven to be as

effective as other products. It isn't effective enough for someone to

use instead of GFCF diet, for example, whereas Peptizyde is. It is

better than taking nothing. Usually people say they don't see any

improvement with it, or they see a little improvement but when they

try one of the better brands, they see much much more improvement.

Quite a number of kids have had problems tolerating it. It might be

because it has a lot of 'fruity' enzymes. It includes an enzyme from

kiwi which tends to be the most 'allergenic' of the fruity enzymes.

Not many products use that enzyme at all.

If someone is happy with it, great. But if you are wondering what to

start with, some of the others have much better track records. There

is a real art as well as science to blending enzymes so they work in

harmony with one another. That is why enzyme experts are so

specialized and two products that may seem fairly similar on the

label perform produce radically different results in real life use.

.