Re: will sugar cravings ever go away?

[Guest guest]

Sue,

Why, after a year and a half on SCD, are you not wanting them to have fruit?

Fruit is certainly allowed on SCD..... maybe he's craving the nutrients in it?

Are you still having any stool issues?

Patti, mom to Katera

will sugar cravings ever go away?

> my sons have been on the scd for 1 1/2 years... recently i decided to

> take the lock off the fridge to see what would happen and its been a

> free for all... one of my son's actually ate so many frozen

> strawberries that he thru up last week. i decided to do this because

> behaviorly speaking if i continue to deprive/control when he gets

> fruit then when he has open access to it - at a party, visiting

> someone's house, at the supermarket - then, he is a crazed child. i

> wanted to see what would happen if i let him satiate... behaviorly i

> was wondering if that would just calm him down if he knew he could

> have fruit when he wanted it rather than when i said he could.

>

> i did go w/out fruit last yr for 3 months as an experiment and felt my

> kids were calmer, but its not healthy to do this for too long and it

> makes it for a not so fun life to be that deprived and to have to be

> that careful as a family.

>

> i just don't see any end to this... i don't see how after a year and a

> half he still craves anything that has sugar in it... its not just

> fruit.. if he see's a cake or donut, etc... he goes for it. we don't

> keep this stuff in the house, but, again, if we're out, we constantly

> have to get on the watch out.

>

> he is, as you can imagine, more hyper and agitated lately as well.

>

> any thoughts??

>

> Sue

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[Guest guest]

he can have fruit... he has for a long time now... but i was always

controlling when and how much... now, i have decided to open up the

gates to see if he could self regulate and he dosen't seem to satiate

on it... i have also thought that perhaps he needs the nutrients in

them... but i think some of him craving/hourding the fruit is because

he has been denied access for so long unless i give it to him.. does

this make sense?

as far as stool issues; he is certainly going more often now and he has

some gas... but, he isn't going back to daily diarrhea which he used to

have; so i guess that's a good sign

this all may be behavioral then and he may calm down after some time

when he realizes he can have access to it whenever he wants.

Sue

> Sue,

> Why, after a year and a half on SCD, are you not wanting them to have

> fruit? Fruit is certainly allowed on SCD.....  maybe he's craving the

> nutrients in it? Are you still having any stool issues?

>

> Patti, mom to Katera

>   will sugar cravings ever go away?

>

>

>   > my sons have been on the scd for 1 1/2 years... recently i decided

> to

>   > take the lock off the fridge to see what would happen and its been

> a

>   > free for all... one of my son's actually ate so many frozen

>   > strawberries that he thru up last week.  i decided to do this

> because

>   > behaviorly speaking if i continue to deprive/control when he gets

>   > fruit then when he has open access to it - at a party, visiting

>   > someone's house, at the supermarket - then, he is a crazed child. 

> i

>   > wanted to see what would happen if i let him satiate... behaviorly

> i

>   > was wondering if that would just calm him down if he knew he could

>   > have fruit when he wanted it rather than when i said he could.

>   >

>   > i did go w/out fruit last yr for 3 months as an experiment and

> felt my

>   > kids were calmer, but its  not healthy to do this for too long and

> it

>   > makes it for a not so fun life to be that deprived and to have to

> be

>   > that careful as a family.

>   >

>   > i just don't see any end to this... i don't see how after a year

> and a

>   > half he still craves anything that has sugar in it... its not just

>   > fruit.. if he see's a cake or donut, etc... he goes for it.  we

> don't

>   > keep this stuff in the house, but, again, if we're out, we

> constantly

>   > have to get on the watch out.

>   >

>   > he is, as you can imagine, more hyper and agitated lately as well.

>   >

>   > any thoughts??

>   >

>   > Sue

>   >

>   >

>   >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i have played around w/ the phenol issue in the past and believe they

have some connections here... especially since all their favorite

fruits are high in them.

yes, they get probiotics... from harry's, one mini scoop per day

(though not consistent)

and, they get goat yogurt.. 1 heaping tsp per day

i have been very diligent about supplements; i can't imagine this is it.

i still think it might be behavioral; denied access for so long has

increased his desire... i'm going to play out the scene where i let him

have free access for a bit and see what happens.

sue

>

> What kinds of fruits are you giving him? " Crazed child " sounds alot

> like someone who is salicylate sensitive to me!  Salicylates are a

> kind of phenol, a naturally occuring chemical in all foods.

> Strawberries especially have been described as " evil " by some moms on

> the Feingold board.

>

> here's a list of foods and their salicylate content

>

> http://users.bigpond.net.au/allergydietitian/fi/salicylates-list.html

>

> If most of their fruits are high is sals. that could explain alot. Of

> course all the fun fruits like berries, apples and oranges are very

> high...  I have also noticed that kids especially crave the things

> they are most sensitive to. If I'd let him, Sam would eat an entire

> watermelon all by himself in one sitting and he always reacts to

> watermelon (which is not really very high is sals - another puzzle for

> me to figure out! LOL)

>

> Are they getting any probiotics? I agree that it is odd that they are

> still having the sugar cravings so badly. Is it possible that they

> have an illegal supplement?  Just brainstorming to see if we can come

> up with something...How are their stools? 

>

> Chrystee

> Sam, 5, NT, salicylate sensitive

> SCD 9 months

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> > > my sons have been on the scd for 1 1/2 years... recently i decided

> to

> > > take the lock off the fridge to see what would happen and its been

> a

> > > free for all... one of my son's actually ate so many frozen

> > > strawberries that he thru up last week.  i decided to do this

> because

> > > behaviorly speaking if i continue to deprive/control when he gets

> > > fruit then when he has open access to it - at a party, visiting

> > > someone's house, at the supermarket - then, he is a crazed child. 

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> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

> book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_  by Elaine Gottschall and read the

> following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

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[Guest guest]

Sue,

What about a compromise?

Free access to the lower phenol fruits.

And then serve him the high phenol fruits at planned meals and

snacks and give him a No Fenol enzyme before the meal/snack.

And by free access, I mean asking for and then receiving the

item.

I don't think that children should have free access to food. No

matter whether they are NT or ASD. I think that adults should

make food choices for children.

But if he comes to you and asks for something to eat, allow him

a free choice between low phenol foods.

At meals and snacks, give enzymes first and then feed him until

he is full.

Jody

mom to -5 and -8

SCD 21 months