Re: Fwd: [T-S] Speaking of Church and State

[Guest guest]

Yup. Only a die-hard liberal atheist could possibly fail to see that if you

don't want teenagers shooting one another you shouldn't give them condoms!

;-)

-- wally

Fwd: [T-S] Speaking of Church and State

> Hello All

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> This was fwded to the traumatic-stress list as an example of braindead

> religiosity. It gets tedious but its worth reading till the end for the

very

> ironic laugh at the end ...

[Guest guest]

The school shootings didn't seem to start until the Christians

started their " Rally Round the Flag " gatherings and starting Bible

clubs in schools.

> Yup. Only a die-hard liberal atheist could possibly fail to see

that if you

> don't want teenagers shooting one another you shouldn't give them

condoms!

> ;-)

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> -- wally

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> Fwd: [T-S] Speaking of Church and State

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> > Hello All

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> > This was fwded to the traumatic-stress list as an example of

braindead

> > religiosity. It gets tedious but its worth reading till the end

for the

> very

> > ironic laugh at the end ...

[Guest guest]

At 06:19 PM 10/20/00 +0000, you wrote:

>The school shootings didn't seem to start until the Christians

>started their " Rally Round the Flag " gatherings and starting Bible

>clubs in schools.

School violence started a long time ago, and contrary to popular

belief it has been *declining* in recent years. It has been

declining since at least 1993 -- well before the heavy media

coverage started -- and probably since before that, although

I can't find my older figures at the moment.

Here are some online stats for 1993-1997:

http://www.ed.gov/PressReleases/10-1999/violence.html

The heavy media coverage of school shootings is basically

a media fad. They do that, ya know. Increased media

coverage of something doesn't mean that the incidence of it

has actually increased.

Here's a trivia question. Guess what nation has the greatest rate

of student killings per capita? It's not the USA. Scroll down for

the answer.

It's Japan.

[Guest guest]

Hello

The decline of violence in the US in recent years I am sure is

primarily the result of the upturn in the economy. now, was their ever

a time in the US when someone could shoot schoolkids dead and it

*didnt* get a lot of heavy media coverage??? That would be pretty odd

to me. Having said that, I am aware that many such shootings may be

of single victims that wont get as much coverage. It takes multiple

shootings to get media coverage, and recent tragedies have obscured

the fact that the general level of violence has gone down.

Did the Japan figure include suicides? Yes or no I think the high

figure in Japan is a rlection of the same forces as in the US - a

culture crisis in a society that has advanced rapidly in a short

period of time.

P.

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> >The school shootings didn't seem to start until the Christians

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> >clubs in schools.

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> School violence started a long time ago, and contrary to popular

> belief it has been *declining* in recent years. It has been

> declining since at least 1993 -- well before the heavy media

> coverage started -- and probably since before that, although

> I can't find my older figures at the moment.

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> Here are some online stats for 1993-1997:

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> http://www.ed.gov/PressReleases/10-1999/violence.html

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> The heavy media coverage of school shootings is basically

> a media fad. They do that, ya know. Increased media

> coverage of something doesn't mean that the incidence of it

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> Here's a trivia question. Guess what nation has the greatest rate

> of student killings per capita? It's not the USA. Scroll down for

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[Guest guest]

At 08:24 PM 10/21/00 +0000, you wrote:

>Hello

>

>The decline of violence in the US in recent years I am sure is

>primarily the result of the upturn in the economy. now, was their ever

>a time in the US when someone could shoot schoolkids dead and it

>*didnt* get a lot of heavy media coverage??? That would be pretty odd

>to me.

Yes, actually, for some definitions of " heavy. " Back around 1992,

for instance, someone could shoot other teenagers dead without

its being headline national news for a week.

>Having said that, I am aware that many such shootings may be

>of single victims that wont get as much coverage. It takes multiple

>shootings to get media coverage, and recent tragedies have obscured

>the fact that the general level of violence has gone down.

>

>Did the Japan figure include suicides?

No, just murders. The Japanese suicide problem is a whole different

set of numbers.

>Yes or no I think the high

>figure in Japan is a rlection of the same forces as in the US - a

>culture crisis in a society that has advanced rapidly in a short

>period of time.

Could be, could be . . . there are probably a lot of factors.

[Guest guest]

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> Yes, actually, for some definitions of " heavy. " Back around 1992,

> for instance, someone could shoot other teenagers dead without

> its being headline national news for a week.

But so many all at one go? and with bombs and booby traps all over

the

place? Please tell me that that stuff didnt go on all the time

without anyone commenting?

How do the murders happen in Japan? Are they mostly shootings or

stabbings? What are their gun laws like? I must admit this fact is an

eye opener.

P.

[Guest guest]

At 10:12 PM 10/21/00 +0000, you wrote:

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> > Yes, actually, for some definitions of " heavy. " Back around 1992,

> > for instance, someone could shoot other teenagers dead without

> > its being headline national news for a week.

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>But so many all at one go? and with bombs and booby traps all over

>the

>place? Please tell me that that stuff didnt go on all the time

>without anyone commenting?

No, the Columbine incident was unique. It was the worst

such massacre in the USA's history.

>How do the murders happen in Japan? Are they mostly shootings or

>stabbings? What are their gun laws like? I must admit this fact is an

>eye opener.

The student weapon of choice is the machete.

Japan has a sword subculture, in much the way that the USA

has a firearm subculture. They have very strict gun control

and blade control. As usual, though, that doesn't seem to

stop anyone who really wants one.