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hi mark,

you illustrate perectly how AA has nothing to do with sobriety, but

rather conformity to a belief system and programs a self

fullflilling propehcy of doom for heretics.

im sure many epeople on the list would love to learn more about

your " free thinkers " meeting and what you guys have witnessed.

> Hello everyone, I am new to this list but have been lurking for

awhile. I

> went to XA back in 1976 after I went through a bad period in my

life. My wife

> of 4 years decided she wanted a trial separation to date other

guys. I didn't

> take it well and started to drink every night to get over the

depression.

> Needless to say I got a DWI and was forced to go to XA. After 2

years of

> abstainence and going to open speakers meetings, having no

sponsor and not

> working the steps I left the program. I did not want the XA

program to be my

> life. I felt that I could not and would conform to what I regarded

stepford

> behavior. I guess I bought into the disease theory of

alcoholism. I relapsed

> in 1998. I went back to meetings only to find that they are full of

the same

> garbage as before. This time after 21 years of abstainance I

was being

> treated like I had no brain! My " best thinking got me here " , don't

speak at

> meetings for a year, etc. I have now realized that XA's influence

in my life

> has changed my previous controlled drinking to out of control

binge drinking.

> It had given me an excuse to come home drunk etc. I now only

go to a

> Freethinker XA meeting where we do not read the steps and

ignore many of the

> XA cult beliefs. This group is one in which newbies are warned

not to go.I am

> drinking moderately and now realize I was probably never a

alcoholic but just

> a problem drinker. I no longer see it as a disease but as a

behavioral

> problem.

>

> Mark

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Welcome Mark.

> Hello everyone, I am new to this list but have been lurking for

awhile. I

> went to XA back in 1976 after I went through a bad period in my

life. My wife

> of 4 years decided she wanted a trial separation to date other

guys. I didn't

> take it well and started to drink every night to get over the

depression.

> Needless to say I got a DWI and was forced to go to XA. After 2

years of

> abstainence and going to open speakers meetings, having no sponsor

and not

> working the steps I left the program. I did not want the XA program

to be my

> life. I felt that I could not and would conform to what I regarded

stepford

> behavior. I guess I bought into the disease theory of alcoholism. I

relapsed

> in 1998. I went back to meetings only to find that they are full of

the same

> garbage as before. This time after 21 years of abstainance I was

being

> treated like I had no brain! My " best thinking got me here " , don't

speak at

> meetings for a year, etc. I have now realized that XA's influence

in my life

> has changed my previous controlled drinking to out of control binge

drinking.

> It had given me an excuse to come home drunk etc. I now only go to

a

> Freethinker XA meeting where we do not read the steps and ignore

many of the

> XA cult beliefs. This group is one in which newbies are warned not

to go.I am

> drinking moderately and now realize I was probably never a

alcoholic but just

> a problem drinker. I no longer see it as a disease but as a

behavioral

> problem.

>

> Mark

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Welcome Aiden!! This is a fantastic group. You will get lots of support and get to share in some very unique insights of why we eat the way we do.

Kim

IE since Aug 08

Subject: IntroductionTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 12:30 PM

Hi, I'm new here and thought I'd introduce myself. My name is Aidan, and I'm a single mom with four kids. Yes, I have alot of stress in my life! I'm learning a lot about coping and beinghappy "anyway", not just around food issues.Some of my history with food. My mother has struggled with her weightsince she was a child. So I grew up immersed in diets, binging, severeguilt over food choices- my mom really has this stuff running herlife. I have always had the diet mentality too, though until I hadfour kids, I was very slim; so it never seemed like a problem. But itIS a problem, and always was! Even though I was slim, that depended onfactors like the work I did, which was very physical, and keepingmyself out and busy so I never experienced eating from boredom orloneliness. I don't want my own kids to have an unhealthy relationshipwith food and with their own bodies. My struggles right

now are around eating unconsciously- I eat all day,every day. I also soothe myself with treats. The guilt keeps me fromwanting to exercise, and I'm struggling to find hope and themotivation to care for myself. I'm used to that coming from the desireto be slim like I used to be, and thinking that if I could just workup some more self discipline, I would lose weight, learn to lovemyself (but not till I lose the weight!), and be happy.I haven't read Intuitive Eating all the way through, but so far I likewhat I've read. I am hoping to get some real-life advice and supportthrough this group. Thanks for having me!Aidan

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Welcome Joy! This group is great and I'm sure you'll get the support you need here. And congratulations on the almost here baby! :)

Subject: IntroductionTo: IntuitiveEating_Support Received: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 7:18 AM

Hello everyone, I just came across this group over the weekend and have been reading a few posts. I thought I would introduce myself and tell you a little about me. I'm in my early 30's with my first baby on the way. I'm happily married and have a great job (self-employed) . My weight is something that I've struggled with since childhood. I was a very obese girl/adolescent, but when I moved into junior high started to exercise and "eat right" (10 grams of fat a day!?!). I soon went the other way--though I never became anorexic, I definitely had disordered feelings around food and my body. I still have some of these feelings. I first read Geneen Roth's books in 2001. That was the time when I "legalized" foods, or at least attempted to. Since that time, I have definitely felt more comfortable with food and my body. In fact, I would say I've had long periods of time where food just wasn't much of an issue for me.

Getting pregnant however, has been a real challenge in the weight/body issues area. I've read so much on what is healthy for the baby to have, and not have. Sweets should be avoided at all costs. Not too much salt. Tons of fruits and veggies. Lots of protein. No junk food. Good grief!I did my best throughout my pregnancy (I'm expecting any day now) and still gained a fairly large amount of weight. What has been bothering me most though, is that my obession with food and all the things I "can't" have is back. That makes me really, really upset because I thought that that portion of my life was over. I have started the Thin Within program (a Christian based IE program) as well as reading "Healing from Within". I'm also going to try to get a copy of "Intuitive Eating" which I read years ago. I have been trying to return to eating intuitively for the past week and have already noticed huge changes. The cravings are about 1/3

what they've been for the past months. I feel more content and less anxious. And I feel hopeful that I will someday get back to that place where food isn't so important to me. So, that's a rather long-winded introduction! Thanks for letting me join your group. And if I don't post back right away it may be because I've gone into labor! :)-Joy

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Anxiety can definitely cause your blood pressure to go up, for example, if you are anxious about seeing the doctor. This is where the term " white coat hypertension " comes from!

 

I think being in a lot of pain would have the same effect.

Thanks for the warm welcome--and no, we don't know what we're having but I'm very anxious at this point to see what it is! :)

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