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I think most of us who have these things can trace a few symptoms back to early

childhood. I know I had ADD (undiagnosed, as nobody really knew about it in the

early 50s) but was always getting notes from teachers or on my report cards

saying... " not living up to potential " or somesuch crud! I was also ill a lot,

and got no sympathy from my parents, they thought I was making excuses not to go

to school. AND, I always had my days and nights confused. I couldn't get up in

the mornings, and my father's favourite way to awaken me was to turn on the

overhead light, so it would shine directly into my eyes. It was agony and

torture, and would always set my day off on the wrong foot. I was angry and

hurt. Of course, I wasn't allowed to express any such feelings to my parents.

When my mother was angry she would slam pots and pans about, or otherwise make a

lot of racket, and that would also set me off. I too have always been overly

sensitive to loud noises, bright lights and odours. I cannot bear fluorescent

lights, both cos of the quality of the light itself, which I find disturbing,

and the noises they make. I hate them, and though we are all meant to be using

them these days as they are so much more energy-efficient, I just cannot do it.

Oh yes, and I ALWAYS caught whatever cold or virus was making the rounds. My

doctor even commented on it when I was young, telling my parents that they

needed to protect me as much as possible from coming into contact with anyone

who was ill. My mother, who was an RN felt differently though. She thought that

getting all of these illnesses would somehow build up my immune system. She

certainly was wrong about that!! Add to this the fact that we traveled

world-wide during my childhood, and each three years I had to undergo the entire

series of vaccinations that were available. There's a lot of talk about

childhood vaccinations now. My daughter did have all of hers, but only on a

'normal' schedule, not constantly repeated every few years. So, I don't know if

vaccines could have anything to do with things or not. We have all been through

so many different experiences, I don't know if they will ever find a single

causative agent for any of these so-called syndromes!!

Peace and Love

Caroline

> It sounds like you did have early onset. I also cant stand bright light

> lights and loud noises. When Mike watches tv (which is all the time) I

> have to keep turning it down and he has florescent bulbs in the lights

> and has those on alot. Drives me crazy! My sense of smell is very strong

> and bad orders make me sick. The joys of fibro! Theresa

>

> Ruthie Dyer wrote: Starting to wonder

> if I wasn't pre programmed to have Fibro. I remember as a child I was

> terribly intolerant of loud noises and bright lights (still can't stand

> either) and always complained to my mother that my knees hurt. I was told

> it was " growing pains " . I was about 5 years old at the time. As a young

> teenager, I had what was referred to as " intercostal neuralgia " which

> just means pain between the ribs. It was like someone stabbed a knife in

> me. I would scream from the pain. I had chest X-rays and naturally

> nothing showed up. The doctor said I was " too thin " and the pains would

> go away if I fattened up. Glad to say those knife stabs did go away. And

> yeah, I fattened up. LOL! I also have a phenomenal sense of smell. My DH

> calls me his " bloodhound " . Comes in handy when you are tracking down a

> pet mess smell. Oh, and I have a pretty strong ESP as well. Don't get me

> started on that. My stories are weird! Anyway, The FM

> monster may well have been lurking in here all along just waiting for

> something to bring it out in the open which I believe was my fall and

> back fracture. Or it may have been those three concussions over the

> years? Um, or the carbon monoxide poisoning? Oh well, the old devil is

> here for what ever reason and I just have to find a way to live with him.

> I am NOT going to let him ruin my wacky sense of humor though. That he

> cannot have.

>

> Ruthie (off to la la land)

>

>

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Ruthie - I firmly believe I had symptoms as a child. I had frequent tummy

aches, and general achiness. The nurse at school and my mom thought I was

just trying to get attention. So I tried to toughen up. I had more and

more psych issues as I went into my teens, but my mom didn't want to believe

I had any real problems. It was the 70's and people didn't talk about

mental health, much less in kids. It's all just gradually built up until

the day when I couldn't function anymore at work. So, yeah, there are some

genetic components. My 14 yr. old daughter was diagnosed 4 years ago.

Jeanne in WI

> Starting to wonder if I wasn't pre programmed to have Fibro. I remember

> as a child I was terribly intolerant of loud noises and bright lights

> (still can't stand either) and always complained to my mother that my

> knees hurt. I was told it was " growing pains " . I was about 5 years old at

> the time. As a young teenager, I had what was referred to as " intercostal

> neuralgia " which just means pain between the ribs. It was like someone

> stabbed a knife in me. I would scream from the pain. I had chest X-rays

> and naturally nothing showed up. The doctor said I was " too thin " and the

> pains would go away if I fattened up. Glad to say those knife stabs did go

> away. And yeah, I fattened up. LOL! I also have a phenomenal sense of

> smell. My DH calls me his " bloodhound " . Comes in handy when you are

> tracking down a pet mess smell. Oh, and I have a pretty strong ESP as

> well. Don't get me started on that. My stories are weird! Anyway, The FM

> monster may well have been lurking in here all along just waiting for

> something to bring it out in the open which I believe was my fall and back

> fracture. Or it may have been those three concussions over the years? Um,

> or the carbon monoxide poisoning? Oh well, the old devil is here for what

> ever reason and I just have to find a way to live with him. I am NOT going

> to let him ruin my wacky sense of humor though. That he cannot have.

>

> Ruthie (off to la la land)

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We are all going to be in trouble when they no longer sell incandescent bulbs

in, I think, 2009. I hope they will make some dimmer florescent bulbs so those

of us who are sensitive to bright lights have an option. We have florescent

lights at work and at the kid's nap time it is a relief to be able to turn them

off. Theresa in Tn

Caroline Witte wrote: I think most of us who

have these things can trace a few symptoms back to early childhood. I know I had

ADD (undiagnosed, as nobody really knew about it in the early 50s) but was

always getting notes from teachers or on my report cards saying... " not living up

to potential " or somesuch crud! I was also ill a lot, and got no sympathy from

my parents, they thought I was making excuses not to go to school. AND, I always

had my days and nights confused. I couldn't get up in the mornings, and my

father's favourite way to awaken me was to turn on the overhead light, so it

would shine directly into my eyes. It was agony and torture, and would always

set my day off on the wrong foot. I was angry and hurt. Of course, I wasn't

allowed to express any such feelings to my parents. When my mother was angry she

would slam pots and pans about, or otherwise make a lot of racket, and that

would also set me off. I too have always been

overly sensitive to loud noises, bright lights and odours. I cannot bear

fluorescent lights, both cos of the quality of the light itself, which I find

disturbing, and the noises they make. I hate them, and though we are all meant

to be using them these days as they are so much more energy-efficient, I just

cannot do it.

Oh yes, and I ALWAYS caught whatever cold or virus was making the rounds. My

doctor even commented on it when I was young, telling my parents that they

needed to protect me as much as possible from coming into contact with anyone

who was ill. My mother, who was an RN felt differently though. She thought that

getting all of these illnesses would somehow build up my immune system. She

certainly was wrong about that!! Add to this the fact that we traveled

world-wide during my childhood, and each three years I had to undergo the entire

series of vaccinations that were available. There's a lot of talk about

childhood vaccinations now. My daughter did have all of hers, but only on a

'normal' schedule, not constantly repeated every few years. So, I don't know if

vaccines could have anything to do with things or not. We have all been through

so many different experiences, I don't know if they will ever find a single

causative agent for any of these so-called syndromes!!

Peace and Love

Caroline

> It sounds like you did have early onset. I also cant stand bright light

> lights and loud noises. When Mike watches tv (which is all the time) I

> have to keep turning it down and he has florescent bulbs in the lights

> and has those on alot. Drives me crazy! My sense of smell is very strong

> and bad orders make me sick. The joys of fibro! Theresa

>

> Ruthie Dyer wrote: Starting to wonder

> if I wasn't pre programmed to have Fibro. I remember as a child I was

> terribly intolerant of loud noises and bright lights (still can't stand

> either) and always complained to my mother that my knees hurt. I was told

> it was " growing pains " . I was about 5 years old at the time. As a young

> teenager, I had what was referred to as " intercostal neuralgia " which

> just means pain between the ribs. It was like someone stabbed a knife in

> me. I would scream from the pain. I had chest X-rays and naturally

> nothing showed up. The doctor said I was " too thin " and the pains would

> go away if I fattened up. Glad to say those knife stabs did go away. And

> yeah, I fattened up. LOL! I also have a phenomenal sense of smell. My DH

> calls me his " bloodhound " . Comes in handy when you are tracking down a

> pet mess smell. Oh, and I have a pretty strong ESP as well. Don't get me

> started on that. My stories are weird! Anyway, The FM

> monster may well have been lurking in here all along just waiting for

> something to bring it out in the open which I believe was my fall and

> back fracture. Or it may have been those three concussions over the

> years? Um, or the carbon monoxide poisoning? Oh well, the old devil is

> here for what ever reason and I just have to find a way to live with him.

> I am NOT going to let him ruin my wacky sense of humor though. That he

> cannot have.

>

> Ruthie (off to la la land)

>

>

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actually I haven't used regular light bulbs in over a year now. I

switched to flourescent throughout my house becuase they are more

energy efficient. You can even get floursecent that fit your regular

light bulb outlets.

lisa n.

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I know, and I feel guilty for not doing it, but I absolutely CANNOT stand them.

I have read that in some states they are actually going to outlaw regular bulbs,

at least from being sold. If I hear even a whisper of that in AZ, I will begin

'hoarding' regular bulbs!!

Peace and Love

Caroline

> actually I haven't used regular light bulbs in over a year now. I

> switched to flourescent throughout my house becuase they are more

> energy efficient. You can even get floursecent that fit your regular

> light bulb outlets.

>

> lisa n.

>

>

>

> 1. While it is wonderful to share our experiences with everyone on the

> list as to what treatments do and don't work for us, pls always check

> with your dr. Some treatments are dangerous when given along with other

> meds as well as to certain health conditions or just dangerous in

> general.

>

> 2. If you are in a difficult situation (doesn't matter what it is) pls

> don't be afraid to ask for help. It is the first step to trying to make

> that situation better.

>

> 3. To unsubscribe the e-mail is:

> Fibromyalgia_Support_Group-unsubscribe

>

> 4. Also, it is not uncommon for more than one member to be feeling bad at

> the same time when it comes to flares and b/c of that potentially take

> something another member says the wrong way. And that includes the

> things that one member may find funny (even if it's laughing at fibro

> itself) even though we who deal with illness whether one such as fibro or

> multiple illnesses try to keep a sense of humor.

>

> 5. Pls let's be gentle with each other, and if you are having a bad day

> pls let us know so that we can do our best to offer our support.

>

> Have a nice day everyone.

>

>

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Well you better start hoarding LOL The energy bill signed by

President Bush on December 18, 2007 bans incadescent light bulbs

nationwide by 2014. The phase-out of incandescent light is to begin

with the 100-watt bulb in 2012 and end in 2014 with the 40-watt.

All light bulbs must use 25 percent to 30 percent less 2014. By 2020,

bulbs must be 70 percent more efficient than they are today.

Australia and Canada I think have already passed laws banning them

beginning in 2010 and I know that Ireland is looking at a law banning

them also.

lisa n.

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Wow! Seems like a lot of us probably started on this wonderful ride as children.

Very strange. Like it is genetic or something. Well they can splice that gene

out. I am an only child with no children so it stops with me.

Ruthie

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Truthfully, I will start!!! I seldom use anything brighter than a 60 watt bulb

anyway. If I begin buying just a couple extra packs a month, I should be set for

as long as I might need them. Of course, just another reason never to leave my

own home!! Not only can I 'hear' them, everything looks eerie to me under their

light, and if I'm exposed to it for too long, I will get bad headaches and my

brain fog will go through the roof!!

Peace and Love

Caroline

> Well you better start hoarding LOL The energy bill signed by

> President Bush on December 18, 2007 bans incadescent light bulbs

> nationwide by 2014. The phase-out of incandescent light is to begin

> with the 100-watt bulb in 2012 and end in 2014 with the 40-watt.

>

> All light bulbs must use 25 percent to 30 percent less 2014. By 2020,

> bulbs must be 70 percent more efficient than they are today.

>

> Australia and Canada I think have already passed laws banning them

> beginning in 2010 and I know that Ireland is looking at a law banning

> them also.

>

> lisa n.

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It might have a bit to do with genes, but I agree with those who think a lot of

it might have to do with all the toxins and chemicals we are exposed to now. Not

to even mention all the new viruses and bugs that seem to be jumping up

everywhere!! It's probable that the cause is different in each of us. Since it

is becoming so much more prevelant as time goes by, it makes sense that it is

often caused by the environment. My daugter is 37, and shows no signs of it at

all, so I'm not so sure about the genetics of it. I'm pretty sure, however, that

my mother had it. I'll never know for sure, but she was an alcoholic, and not

the kind who drank 'for kicks', she didn't go out to bars, but drank only at

home, usually. I think she was self-medicating, looking back. I wonder if ANYONE

will ever unravel this mystery.

Peace and Love

Caroline

> Wow! Seems like a lot of us probably started on this wonderful ride as

> children. Very strange. Like it is genetic or something. Well they can

> splice that gene out. I am an only child with no children so it stops

> with me.

>

> Ruthie

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Hi Ruthie,what a great email. It brought up memories

of childhood.

I remember my legs hurting so much, growing pains..

ha I never got past 5'3 " .but when my grandmother would

visit she would rub them with alcohol...

and the migraines ohh, they started about 13. and to

make things worse when my mom would take me to the

doctor (Air Force brat) they would just say , " well its

the stress she is under with her dad being Missing " .

well ummm I have grown up with a dad who is still

MIA, a son that died, my mom too. and worked 20 years

on an Ambulance. I don't think my dads situation

caused all the health problems, like you said we may

have been programed just like any one else who ends up

with health problems.

I am so glad to have found this group.

Diane

www.geocities.com/paramedic_di

In Honor of my dad

--- Ruthie Dyer wrote:

> Starting to wonder if I wasn't pre programmed to

> have Fibro. I remember as a child I was terribly

> intolerant of loud noises and bright lights (still

> can't stand either) and always complained to my

> mother that my knees hurt. I was told it was

> " growing pains " . I was about 5 years old at the

> time. As a young teenager, I had what was referred

> to as " intercostal neuralgia " which just means pain

> between the ribs. It was like someone stabbed a

> knife in me. I would scream from the pain. I had

> chest X-rays and naturally nothing showed up. The

> doctor said I was " too thin " and the pains would go

> away if I fattened up. Glad to say those knife stabs

> did go away. And yeah, I fattened up. LOL! I also

> have a phenomenal sense of smell. My DH calls me his

> " bloodhound " . Comes in handy when you are tracking

> down a pet mess smell. Oh, and I have a pretty

> strong ESP as well. Don't get me started on that. My

> stories are weird! Anyway, The FM monster may well

> have been lurking in here all along just waiting for

> something to bring it out in the open which I

> believe was my fall and back fracture. Or it may

> have been those three concussions over the years?

> Um, or the carbon monoxide poisoning? Oh well, the

> old devil is here for what ever reason and I just

> have to find a way to live with him. I am NOT going

> to let him ruin my wacky sense of humor though. That

> he cannot have.

>

> Ruthie (off to la la land)

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

> 1. While it is wonderful to share our experiences

> with everyone on the list as to what treatments do

> and don't work for us, pls always check with your

> dr. Some treatments are dangerous when given along

> with other meds as well as to certain health

> conditions or just dangerous in general.

>

> 2. If you are in a difficult situation (doesn't

> matter what it is) pls don't be afraid to ask for

> help. It is the first step to trying to make that

> situation better.

>

> 3. To unsubscribe the e-mail is:

>

Fibromyalgia_Support_Group-unsubscribe

>

> 4. Also, it is not uncommon for more than one member

> to be feeling bad at the same time when it comes to

> flares and b/c of that potentially take something

> another member says the wrong way. And that

> includes the things that one member may find funny

> (even if it's laughing at fibro itself) even though

> we who deal with illness whether one such as fibro

> or multiple illnesses try to keep a sense of humor.

>

> 5. Pls let's be gentle with each other, and if you

> are having a bad day pls let us know so that we can

> do our best to offer our support.

>

> Have a nice day everyone.

>

>

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Hi Diane,

I worked on an ambulance too but as a volunteer first responder with two

squads. I did it for only about three years. Really tough work sometimes but

worth it when a life is saved. Much praise to you for being so very involved in

emergency response.

Ruthie

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