RE: From Kraft

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beth_cosby_1999 wrote:

New South Beach Diet Foods from Kraft

What is everyone's opinion on things like this? I'm so used to being quick to think that any foods "made for a diet" are bad, because of what was going on towards the end of my doing Atkins. Dr Atkins had passed away & people who were less than interested in the health aspects of the diet & more in the $$$, were taking over & putting out products that sold well, but didn't really help with the diet itself. These South Beach products look like they may be different though? Dr. A is still staying on top of things & approving them? For people like me, who are forever second guessing & never totally sure what works for them, products that say "Yes You Can Have This" right on them, may be really good

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My opinion? I think Agatston is selling out and has been doing so more and

more for some time. I suppose we shouldn't be surprised though -- this is

America and everything is about convenience and $$$ here.

Good nutrition doesn't come in a cellophane wrapper or plastic tin. The

food industry has been pumping consumers full of unhealthy garbage for

decades -- preservatives, various synthetics, sodium, sugar, fat and so on,

all in the name of profit. Any diet plan or way of eating that encourages

healthy eating is a threat to the food industry's bottom line. Since true

healthy eating is NOT convenient and typically involves fresh foods, the

food industry cannot be a major component of it -- they specialize in

processed food and that is not a major component of a healthy diet.

On the positive side, these products offer people a " healthier " alternative

to their counterparts at the market for those occasions when one needs

something quick on the go. Hopefully, folks will get the picture that this

means OCCASIONAL -- not regularly. What I suspect will happen (what I

EXPECT) is that folks will start using these products as a part of their

daily eating habits to the point that they become staples. No good.

FWIW, that's my nickle 98.

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On the positive side, these products offer people a "healthier" alternativeto their counterparts at the market for those occasions when one needssomething quick on the go.

That's what I was hoping to find... Something I could have once in a while, that's a little more convenient. I agree though, like with all the low carb products that came out, people may use them as a staple & then blame the "diet" because it's marketed in a way that makes people think it's OK.

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[Guest guest]

> What is everyone's opinion on things like this? I'm so used to

being quick to think that any foods " made for a diet " are bad,

because of what was going on towards the end of my doing

Atkins.

>

I think the same thing I thought when I was on Atkins---that I'll

stick to fresh foods, and avoid this stuff like the plague.

Pass me some celery...

[Guest guest]

I wonder if they will be availiable in Canada

-- From Kraft

New South Beach Diet Foods from Kraft(In case you did not get this I wanted everyone to see it)Looking for a meal that's fast and South Beach Diet™-friendly?Beginning in April, Kraft will be launching a whole new line ofdelicious products made especially for South Beachers — and with Dr.Agatston's seal of approval, these products will help keep you "on theBeach." These join The South Beach Diet™ recommended products (likenuts and deli meats) that hit stores last fall — all designed to makeit easier than ever to follow The South Beach Diet™. Here's a sneak peek: Cereal (Phases 2 and 3). Two new options, South Beach Toasted Wheatsand Whole Grain Crunch, will help you start your morning right with ataste of good nutrition. Besides being an excellent source of theright whole-grain carbs, these cereals are high in fiber and leanprotein, yet low in sugar. Cereal Bars (Phases 2 and 3). Rushing around in the morning withlittle time to prepare a meal? These cereal bars are tasty andsatisfying — perfect with a piece of fruit or cup of vegetable juice. Sandwich Wraps (Phases 2 and 3). With lean meats, low-fat cheeses,flavorful sauces, and whole-grain tortilla wraps, theseeasy-to-prepare lunch items are fresh and nutritious. They come infour varieties and are packaged with sugar-free gelatin — perfect fora lunch on-the-go. Frozen Entrees (four entrees suitable for Phase 1; all for Phases 2and 3). Loaded with the right carbs, the right fats, and lean sourcesof protein, these frozen entrees not only taste great, but also aregreat for you and convenient to make. With eight different flavors,such as Penne and Chicken in Roasted Red Pepper Sauce, these mealsoffer satisfying portion sizes and no trans fats. Frozen Pizza (Phases 2 and 3). Fiber-rich crusts and generous toppingsmake these four varieties of pizza delicious and healthy — and they'regreat for kids, too! Loaded with veggies or covered with your favoritecheeses, you won't have to forgo one of your favorite foods while onThe South Beach Diet™. Meal Replacement Bars (Phases 2 and 3). In a time crunch or need topack light for a hike? The South Beach Diet™ Meal Replacement Bars area great substitute when you can't get near the kitchen. Unlike manyother bars, these contain no trans fats, are a good source of fiberand protein, and offer 23 vitamins and minerals. Watch for these South Beach Diet™ foods to start hitting your localsupermarket shelves in April! Want to know more about these products?Visit www.southbeachdiet.com/kraft for nutrition information, recipes,and more.Reminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. Nor is it low-fat. The South Beach Diet teaches you to rely on the right carbs and the right fats-the good ones - and enables you to live quite happily without the bad carbs and bad fats. For more on this Way Of Eating please read "The South Beach Diet" by Arthur Agatston, MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8

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> That's what I was hoping to find... Something I could have

> once in a while, that's a little more convenient. I agree

> though, like with all the low carb products that came out,

> people may use them as a staple & then blame the " diet " because

> it's marketed in a way that makes people think it's OK.

We go out shopping from time to time, usually at the grocery store of course

<Grin>, and sometimes our trips will take a couple three hours or more. At

those times, we never have a " snack in the purse " sort of thing available,

least of all anything that could really tie my wife over. At times, even

*I* could go for a quick snack to tie me over to the next meal. When this

sort of thing happens, there's more than a temptation to buy something

that's just unhealthy and contrary to the SBD. By having these alternatives

available, we might slip off the wagon but we'll still be holding on to the

back rather than taking a flip, landing in the dirt, and being rolled over

as the wagon backs up to see what went wrong.

[Guest guest]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but frankly I can't wait for these to come out. I know we've heard over and over that we DO have time to prepare meals, but frankly there are days that I don't. I work full time (can't stop that as if I don't work, I don't live indoors), have two children who are active in sports, and work out about 4 to 5 times a week. If my kids have a game (and most practices), I am there with them. I'm not willing to tell my kids I can't come to your game because I have to spend time cooking. So, if on the days that as soon as I get off work, I'm headed for a soccer game (or three - my daughter plays on two teams - right now it's indoor soccer and my son is on yet another team), I can throw something like this in the microwave, that is what I will do. Also, I have shared parenting w/ their dad which means I'm the only one home for dinner 3 nights a week. Sometimes you just don't want to cook for one - or do dishes for one. Now, I know I can use the crockpot, however, I'm NOT a morning person (I hit the snooze button for an hour . . ) and I have to be at work at 6:30 AM three days a week and 6 AM the other two, so unless I go to work in my nightgown . . .

I'm not saying I'm going to use these all the time, but I WILL be using them. Weekends are also usually taken up with my kids' sports. I also look forward the the SBD approved cereal bars as I find it too hard to carry snacks with me other than nuts because everything requires refrigeration. When we flew to California, I carried a cooler on the plane. While it does work, it sure wasn't convenient - or practical - to carry that cooler, the purse, the suitcase, etc.

Anyway, like I said, I'm probably in the minority here, but I look forward to some convenient, easy to prepare, no dishes using food to hit the market - I just hope they're accompanied with high value coupons.

Amy

----- Original

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I agree with you , 100%. This diet is learning to eat healthy.

Popping frozen dinners in the microwave, eating breakfast bars and

unwrapping cheese slices is not healthy and should not be condoned much

less promoted. I think SB is starting down the slippery slide Atkins

took. But that's okay. I still have my original SB book and I know

what really works.

Noctaire wrote:

> My opinion? I think Agatston is selling out and has been doing so

> more and

> more for some time. I suppose we shouldn't be surprised though -- this is

> America and everything is about convenience and $$$ here.

>

> FWIW, that's my nickle 98.

>

>

>

>

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Just remember you have to build your wagon before you

can paint it.. LOL

--- Noctaire wrote:

At times, even

> *I* could go for a quick snack to tie me over to the

> next meal. When this

> sort of thing happens, there's more than a

> temptation to buy something

> that's just unhealthy and contrary to the SBD. By

> having these alternatives

> available, we might slip off the wagon but we'll

> still be holding on to the

> back rather than taking a flip, landing in the dirt,

> and being rolled over

> as the wagon backs up to see what went wrong.

>

>

>

>

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I, agree, I don't find this healthy eating at all, and he is a cardiologist. I find this amazing.

Di

[Guest guest]

> Maybe I'm in the minority, but frankly I can't wait for these

> to come out. I know we've heard over and over that we DO have

> time to prepare meals, but frankly there are days that I don't.

> I work full time (can't stop that as if I don't work, I don't

> live indoors), have two children who are active in sports, and

> work out about 4 to 5 times a week. If my kids have a game

> (and most practices), I am there with them. I'm not willing

> to tell my kids I can't come to your game because I have to

> spend time cooking. So, if on the days that as soon as I

> get off work, I'm headed for a soccer game (or three - my

> daughter plays on two teams - right now it's indoor soccer

> and my son is on yet another team), I can throw something

> like this in the microwave, that is what I will do. Also,

> I have shared parenting w/ their dad which means I'm the

> only one home for dinner 3 nights a week. Sometimes you

> just don't want to cook for one - or do dishes for one.

I'm REALLY hoping you aren't saying that if you use a dishwashing

machine....

Sometimes it's a pain to cook. That's why you make up extra at meal times;

to have leftovers. Leftovers can be frozen and nuked just as easily as any

TV dinner. If you take the time to prep foods for cooking (such as one of

those evenings when Dad has the kids) you can have chopped, cut foods that

are ready to toss into a wok or crock pot for quick cooking.

> Now, I know I can use the crockpot, however, I'm NOT a

> morning person (I hit the snooze button for an hour . . )

> and I have to be at work at 6:30 AM three days a week and

> 6 AM the other two, so unless I go to work in my nightgown . . .

Do this -- the evening before, put everything for the crock pot on the top

shelf of your fridge, at the front. Even put the water that's going into

the crock pot in there. Then, in the morning, pull it all out of the fridge

and toss it in the crock pot. Flip the dial to low heat and walk out the

door. The whole process shouldn't take more than 2 minutes of your morning

if it even takes that.

> I'm not saying I'm going to use these all the time, but I WILL be using

> them. Weekends are also usually taken up with my kids' sports. I also

> look forward the the SBD approved cereal bars as I find it too hard to

> carry snacks with me other than nuts because everything requires

> refrigeration. When we flew to California, I carried a cooler on

> the plane. While it does work, it sure wasn't convenient - or practical

> - to carry that cooler, the purse, the suitcase, etc.

>

> Anyway, like I said, I'm probably in the minority here, but I look

> forward to some convenient, easy to prepare, no dishes using food to

> hit the market - I just hope they're accompanied with high value coupons.

Everyone has to make their choices and decide where to draw the line on

these sorts of things. Some will take the all fresh route, others will do a

mix, and I'll wager a bunch of folks will make these something they eat on a

daily basis. Since you've been on the diet a while BEFORE these foods came

available, hopefully you'll be able to gauge what effects they have on your

health and weight loss. Others though, will likely not be so fortunate.

My prediction: a new edition of the SBD book that is re-geared to include

these new Kraft products, some other product lines, and so forth. That's

also about the time the diet will stop working so well and the next carb

modification diet will come out.

[Guest guest]

> I agree with you , 100%. This diet is learning to eat healthy.

> Popping frozen dinners in the microwave, eating breakfast

> bars and unwrapping cheese slices is not healthy and should

> not be condoned much less promoted. I think SB is starting

> down the slippery slide Atkins took. But that's okay. I

> still have my original SB book and I know what really works.

I give it a year. Then the next diet will come out. It's a shame, really

-- this is the first diet of its kind to really get it right.

[Guest guest]

> Just remember you have to build your wagon before you can

> paint it.. LOL

Last time I looked, I have a train rather than a wagon. Although, my

caboose has definitely gotten smaller over the last month and a half....

<Grin>

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/Noctaire wrote:/

> / My prediction: a new edition of the SBD book that is re-geared to

> include these new Kraft products, some other product lines, and so

> forth. That's also about the time the diet will stop working so well

> and the next carb modification diet will come out.

>

> /

Again, agreed. Shortly after I started SB I joined a couple Atkins lists

because I kept hearing the words low carb/South Beach/Atkins mentioned

as one entity. I wanted to know how they compare and what the

differences are. I am perfectly happy with SB and feel it is a healthier

plan. But while on those lists I heard over and over how the packaged

Atkins foods will stall weight loss, make some people down right sick

because of the stuff in them, and are not what the Dr. intended. It

became obvious after awhile there are two camps - those who follow the

original plan based on fresh foods and those who use the prepared foods.

I suspect the same will happen with SB.

Eventually, as said, the next diet will come out based on fresh

foods and we'll be off and running again. Can't blame SB for jumping on

the corporate bandwagon as I'm sure there are big $$$ to be had there.

And the option of sticking to the original plan is always there.

From the email announcing this -

" In a time crunch or need to pack light for a hike? The South Beach

Diet™ Meal Replacement Bars are a great substitute when you can't get

near the kitchen. "

This implies this stuff is not intended to be used everyday or replace

fresh food. But you know people will exist on it. I think you'll be able

to click a stop watch and record the time it takes before someone

complains, 'when I eat the prepared SB foods I don't lose weight'. We've

already heard, 'Dr. A wouldn't endorse them if they weren't good for

you.' The Atkins people said that one too.

We all make our own choices. To each his/her own.

[Guest guest]

Well ...

Nothing like bringing up the rear.. LOL

--- Noctaire wrote:

>

> Last time I looked, I have a train rather than a

> wagon. Although, my

> caboose has definitely gotten smaller over the last

> month and a half....

> <Grin>

>

>

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Amy,

I’m right with you sister. I have the same schedule with work and the

kids as you do. This will help tremendously at those times when you really

need them. I still love fresh veggies but at those times when I’m too

stressed to even think straight, I’m all for the convenience.

~Lori

From: Amy

Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005

11:46 AM

To: South-Beach-Diet-Getting-It-Right

Subject: Re:

From Kraft

Maybe I'm in the minority, but

frankly I can't wait for these to come out. I know we've heard over and

over that we DO have time to prepare meals, but frankly there are days that I

don't. I work full time (can't stop that as if I don't work, I don't live

indoors), have two children who are active in sports, and work out about 4 to 5

times a week. If my kids have a game (and most practices), I am there

with them. I'm not willing to tell my kids I can't come to your game

because I have to spend time cooking. So, if on the days that as soon as

I get off work, I'm headed for a soccer game (or three - my daughter plays on

two teams - right now it's indoor soccer and my son is on yet another team), I

can throw something like this in the microwave, that is what I will do.

Also, I have shared parenting w/ their dad which means I'm the only one home

for dinner 3 nights a week. Sometimes you just don't want to cook for one

- or do dishes for one. Now, I know I can use the crockpot, however, I'm

NOT a morning person (I hit the snooze button for an hour . . ) and I have to

be at work at 6:30 AM three days a week and 6 AM the other two, so unless I go

to work in my nightgown . . .

I'm not saying I'm going to use

these all the time, but I WILL be using them. Weekends are also usually

taken up with my kids' sports. I also look forward the the SBD approved

cereal bars as I find it too hard to carry snacks with me other than nuts

because everything requires refrigeration. When we flew to California, I carried a

cooler on the plane. While it does work, it sure wasn't convenient - or

practical - to carry that cooler, the purse, the suitcase, etc.

Anyway, like I said, I'm probably in

the minority here, but I look forward to some convenient, easy to prepare, no

dishes using food to hit the market - I just hope they're accompanied with high

value coupons.

Amy

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Sorry, but I believe that Dr. A sold himself out after seeing the ingredients for this food. The best thing on the menu was the pizza. That's pretty bad. These products have a ton of sugar and all kinds of things that Dr. A told us NOT to have. I was hoping that maybe he was trying to help the people that are too busy to cook all the time, but he's not. He's helping his pocket book. Once everyone starts to eat this crap, they are not going to lose and they will blame SBD, the same that happened to Atkins. I'm very disappointed. Carol

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The good news is the book only costs about $15 (or less) and it's all we

really need.

I figured something like this was inevitable but I'm disappointed too.

I imagine Dr. A will hang his head all the way to the bank with his big

check from Kraft.

Carol Parsons wrote:

> Sorry, but I believe that Dr. A sold himself out after seeing the

> ingredients for this food. The best thing on the menu was the pizza.

> That's pretty bad. These products have a ton of sugar and all kinds of

> things that Dr. A told us NOT to have. I was hoping that maybe he was

> trying to help the people that are too busy to cook all the time, but

> he's not. He's helping his pocket book. Once everyone starts to eat

> this crap, they are not going to lose and they will blame SBD, the

> same that happened to Atkins. I'm very disappointed. Carol

>

[Guest guest]

Alas, add me to the group of disappointed.

At first, I thought, "What a great idea." But upon further study, it is painfully obvious that a train wreck awaits many, maybe the entire South Beach Plan altogether. Sure, those people whom purchased and followed the book know better and should be fine. But I think many of us can already hear it, "That SBD is no better than the rest of them. You don't loose a pound. Pardon me while I finish eating my second SB pizza myself."

Please, no one take this personally, I'm going to paint with a broad brush. Many overweight people are extremely lazy. These type of people are looking for that "quick fix." They'll take any shortcut available to them. Many won't buy the SBD book and read it so they can understand what is at work. Instead, they'll just join a list or two and pick up misinformation that is bound to be out there. They are going to have selective "hearing." They will cherry-pick all the things that they like and ignore the rest. Then they'll curse the program for failing, even though they are the ones to blame.

Now, this in itself is bad enough, but here's where the real damage comes in. As time passes, these SBD failures, who were never really SBD to begin with, will start to be tallied and labeled. When the numbers are all run, South Beach Diet is going to come out looking like a dismal failure. Many of us on here know it works, but that won't count for much.

What really troubles me is that some manufacturers are really trying to come out with SBD friendly products - Like Pepperidge Farm breads. As soon as the numbers begin to swing against SBD, these manufacturers will start to see sales drop. They will begin to discontinue product lines as a result and we get screwed. I remember when my wife and I started SBD, many of these items were tough to find. 2% cheese was something you had to really keep an eye open for. The 9-grain PF bread was so scarce we had to rotate between three grocery stores to find it on the shelf, and when we found an extra loaf, we snapped it up and in the freezer it went.

So, somehow, we need to let it be known to Dr. Agatston and his group that we don't want to risk a train wreck. I'm not a crusader, so I'm the wrong person to move this forward. However, anyone that wants to do so is free to utilize anything I've said in this post.

It's time for my walk. We'll talk more later.

Chuck

Re: From Kraft

Sorry, but I believe that Dr. A sold himself out after seeing the ingredients for this food. The best thing on the menu was the pizza. That's pretty bad. These products have a ton of sugar and all kinds of things that Dr. A told us NOT to have. I was hoping that maybe he was trying to help the people that are too busy to cook all the time, but he's not. He's helping his pocket book. Once everyone starts to eat this crap, they are not going to lose and they will blame SBD, the same that happened to Atkins. I'm very disappointed. Carol

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We were talking about comparing some of the meals/entrees. I went online

and both Lean Cuisine and Healthy Choice offer nutritional details, so as

part of a discussion on another group I looked at a few. I tried to go with

something that was beef and noodles to stay reasonably even.

******************************************************************

Kraft/SBD Beef with Asian Style Noodles (Phase 2/3)....

Calories.......... 320

Fat............... 13g

Cholesterol....... 45mg

Sodium............ 1050mg

Carbohydrates..... 32g

Fiber............. 9g

Sugar............. 8g

Protein........... 30g

-------------------------------------------------

Lean Cuisine Café Classics Oriental Beef

Calories.......... 210

Fat............... 3.5g

Cholesterol....... 25mg

Sodium............ 570mg

Carbohydrates..... 31g

Fiber............. 2g

Sugar............. 8g

Protein........... 14g

-------------------------------------------------

Healthy Choice Beef Stroganoff

Calories.......... 330

Total Fat......... 9g

Saturated Fat..... 3g

Cholesterol....... 60mg

Sodium............ 600mg

Carbohydrates..... 40g

Dietary Fiber..... 7g

Sugar............. 14g

Protein........... 22g

-------------------------------------------------

I considered a few of the Lean Cuisine meals and they all come out in the

same general category -- less protein, same sugar, less fiber, same carbs,

half the sodium, half the cholesterol, a fourth of the fat, same to less

calories. The Healthy Choice meals seem to come out ahead -- same calories,

less fat, same cholesterol, around half the sodium, similar carbs, similar

fiber, little more sugar, a little less protein.

I'm thinking that where we'll see the biggest difference among these meals

are in fiber/sugar, and fat/sodium/calories. It appears that the typical

frozen diet meals have gone to great lengths to limit fat, sodium, and

calories in general with less of an emphasis on fiber and sugar whereas

Kraft SBD meals has gone the opposite direction. Some are better than

others in approaching the items in the lesser emphasis category (such as the

Healthy Choice meals which have very similar fiber and sugar contents to the

Kraft SBD meals) while in some cases there are other products already on the

market that are nutritionally superior to the new SBD products (such as the

Atkins MorningStar bars.

In the end though --> IT'S ALL JUNK FOOD. I really do feel for those who

will be coming to the diet later in its evolution.

[Guest guest]

<SNIP>

Chuck -- While I'm not in disagreement with your points, IMHO it's too late

to do anything about it. Agatston has already cut the deal with Kraft --

this has been in the works for a while. I mean, how long ago was it that

they started recommending Kraft dressings and cheeses over the original

vinaigrette and mozzarella sticks? They have the meals worked out,

packaging is done, and I'll wager the ad campaign is set to launch any day

now. Since April is the launch date, I've no doubt at all that Kraft is

already madly mass-producing things for the launch and to sustain the

momentum of sales.

The check's been written and I really don't think anything that any of us

says will make one iota of a difference.

[Guest guest]

I think I already knew that, but had to say it none-the-less. Made me feel

better, for a moment. Funny what money can do to a person.

Chuck

RE: From Kraft

>

> <SNIP>

>

> Chuck -- While I'm not in disagreement with your points, IMHO it's too

> late

> to do anything about it. Agatston has already cut the deal with Kraft --

> this has been in the works for a while. I mean, how long ago was it that

> they started recommending Kraft dressings and cheeses over the original

> vinaigrette and mozzarella sticks? They have the meals worked out,

> packaging is done, and I'll wager the ad campaign is set to launch any day

> now. Since April is the launch date, I've no doubt at all that Kraft is

> already madly mass-producing things for the launch and to sustain the

> momentum of sales.

>

> The check's been written and I really don't think anything that any of us

> says will make one iota of a difference.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Reminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. Nor is it low-fat. The

> South Beach Diet teaches you to rely on the right carbs and the right

> fats-the good ones - and enables you to live quite happily without the bad

> carbs and bad fats.

>

> For more on this Way Of Eating please read " The South Beach Diet " by

> Arthur Agatston, MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8

>

[Guest guest]

thanks for doing the research and posting your info....helps us all make our own personal choices if we want to try them....and from reading those that you posted I'll probably pass on them...I"m sure there are preservatives and dyes too that you don't have listed too so I'll keep making my own and freezing left overs

Licienne

RE: From Kraft

We were talking about comparing some of the meals/entrees. I went onlineand both Lean Cuisine and Healthy Choice offer nutritional details, so aspart of a discussion on another group I looked at a few. I tried to go withsomething that was beef and noodles to stay reasonably even.******************************************************************Kraft/SBD Beef with Asian Style Noodles (Phase 2/3)....Calories.......... 320Fat............... 13gCholesterol....... 45mgSodium............ 1050mgCarbohydrates..... 32gFiber............. 9gSugar............. 8gProtein........... 30g-------------------------------------------------Lean Cuisine Café Classics Oriental BeefCalories.......... 210Fat............... 3.5gCholesterol....... 25mgSodium............ 570mgCarbohydrates..... 31gFiber............. 2gSugar............. 8gProtein........... 14g-------------------------------------------------Healthy Choice Beef StroganoffCalories.......... 330Total Fat......... 9gSaturated Fat..... 3gCholesterol....... 60mgSodium............ 600mgCarbohydrates..... 40gDietary Fiber..... 7gSugar............. 14gProtein........... 22g-------------------------------------------------I considered a few of the Lean Cuisine meals and they all come out in thesame general category -- less protein, same sugar, less fiber, same carbs,half the sodium, half the cholesterol, a fourth of the fat, same to lesscalories. The Healthy Choice meals seem to come out ahead -- same calories,less fat, same cholesterol, around half the sodium, similar carbs, similarfiber, little more sugar, a little less protein.I'm thinking that where we'll see the biggest difference among these mealsare in fiber/sugar, and fat/sodium/calories. It appears that the typicalfrozen diet meals have gone to great lengths to limit fat, sodium, andcalories in general with less of an emphasis on fiber and sugar whereasKraft SBD meals has gone the opposite direction. Some are better thanothers in approaching the items in the lesser emphasis category (such as theHealthy Choice meals which have very similar fiber and sugar contents to theKraft SBD meals) while in some cases there are other products already on themarket that are nutritionally superior to the new SBD products (such as theAtkins MorningStar bars.In the end though --> IT'S ALL JUNK FOOD. I really do feel for those whowill be coming to the diet later in its evolution. :(Reminder: The South Beach Diet is not low-carb. Nor is it low-fat. The South Beach Diet teaches you to rely on the right carbs and the right fats-the good ones - and enables you to live quite happily without the bad carbs and bad fats. For more on this Way Of Eating please read "The South Beach Diet" by Arthur Agatston, MD. ISBN 1-57954-814-8

[Guest guest]

> thanks for doing the research and posting your info....helps us

> all make our own personal choices if we want to try them....and from

> reading those that you posted I'll probably pass on them...I " m sure

> there are preservatives and dyes too that you don't have listed too

> so I'll keep making my own and freezing left overs

See, that's what I don't get. You (generic) can easily make a healthy,

SBD-compliant frozen dinner by simply cooking too much at any given meal and

tossing it in a bowl in the fridge/freezer. Yet, some folks would actually

rather go buy one of these. I understand the one-off sort of situation,

sure, but one-offs do not happen several times a week. The " I'm too busy " ,

" I don't have enough time " folks are coming out of the woodwork in support

of these products and I have to wonder if they'll remember these discussions

when they start complaining about how SBD doesn't work, how their weight

loss has stalled, and so forth.

[Guest guest]

> I think I already knew that, but had to say it none-the-less.

> Made me feel better, for a moment. Funny what money can do to

> a person.

I know what you mean. You'd think he was doing well enough already, being

quite probably the hottest diet in America. :-(

Here in our area, there are a few chefs who have taken over the school

cafeterias of several schools. They've removed the deep fryers, thrown out

white flour, and eliminated both junk food and soda pop machines. They

installed a salad bar and the lunch menu includes healthy foods that are low

in fat, low in sodium, and low in sugar.

There ARE folks out there that get it. Starting this at an early age may be

the way of undermining the food industry's effort to turn everything into a

profit at the expense of nutrition.