Re: my story...

[Guest guest]

,

Maybe he didn't narrow the intestin that leaves the stomach enough??,

which if it wasen't narrowed enough would make the food empty more

quickly and make you feel hungry more often. So, What if he went in to

narrow it a little more??? Also the placement of the leaveing intestin.

Maybe when he was putting it back on he did it to low??

Pam

On Sat, 7 Apr 2001 21:43:16 -0400 " achhab " writes:

> he can't really explain it. he said he makes the outlet the same

> size for

> everyone and that it could have stretched. the pouch has not

> though. that

> is what is strange. some surgeons do a version of the rny that

> include

> banding. that is why he is thinking this can be done. he is still

> researching this and waiting to make sure it is absolutely necessary

> in my

> case. it's just that the information i've gathered regarding bands

> is not

> good. they eventually fail and another surgery is almost certain

> sometime

> down the road, especially since i'm only 35.

>

> thanks for the support!

> mary

> Re: my story...

>

>

> > ,

> >

> > Wow! I have never heard of this happening. Other than no weight

> loss after

> 4

> > months, did you have any other symptoms? What does Dr. T say is

> the cause

> of

> > this? I hope that this can be fixed for you soon so that you can

> continue

> on

> > your weight loss journey.

> >

> > Hugs,

> > Joni - Dr. Thayer 11/27/00

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I have heard of several who's pouch has remained the same but the stoma

where the food exits stretches so that literally food is passing right

through them.

I myself have an appt next week if I can make it (depends on dh is in town

or not) to talk to Dr. Thayer about this very same thing.

Lyssa

[Guest guest]

pam,

those are all possibilities. you would think those types of things could be

corrected with another surgery using sutures instead of a band. i need to

talk to him to find out if that is possible. i think with a little

tweaking, this procedure could work wonders for me.

thanks for the support,

mary

Re: my story...

> >

> >

> > > ,

> > >

> > > Wow! I have never heard of this happening. Other than no weight

> > loss after

> > 4

> > > months, did you have any other symptoms? What does Dr. T say is

> > the cause

> > of

> > > this? I hope that this can be fixed for you soon so that you can

> > continue

> > on

> > > your weight loss journey.

> > >

> > > Hugs,

> > > Joni - Dr. Thayer 11/27/00

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

i'd love to hear how your appmt goes. are you having an upper gi?

mary

RE: my story...

> I have heard of several who's pouch has remained the same but the stoma

> where the food exits stretches so that literally food is passing right

> through them.

> I myself have an appt next week if I can make it (depends on dh is in town

> or not) to talk to Dr. Thayer about this very same thing.

> Lyssa

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

DEAR MARY AND CHRISTINA

ALL I HAVE TO SAY MARY IS I HOPE YOU ARE NOT GOING BACK TO THE SURGEON WHO DID THE RNY THAT GAVE YOU THESE PROBLEMS. PLEASE CHECK IT OUT WITH ANOTHER SURGEON. ITS LIKE GOING TO A PLASTIC SURGEON AND HE DIDN'T DO THE SURGERY RIGHT AND YOU GO BACK TO THE SAME PLASTIC SURGEON TO DO THE CORRECTION. GIVE ME A BREAK.

RAYNA JUST MY OPINION

[Guest guest]

this is just a consult with Dr. Thayer to tell him what I think is

going on with me. I'm hoping after that visit I'll leave with an order for

an upper gi.

Lyssa

[Guest guest]

good luck. i still hope you will post and keep this discussion going. if

anyone else out there thinks or knows they have this situation, or if anyone

knows of someone who had a revision to correct the problem, i would love as

much information as possible.

thanks,

mary

RE: my story...

> this is just a consult with Dr. Thayer to tell him what I think is

> going on with me. I'm hoping after that visit I'll leave with an order for

> an upper gi.

> Lyssa

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

That’s very interesting. I have my one year post-op visit next week.

Do you think I should mention to Dr. Thayer the fact that I haven’t lost

any weight in 7 months?

- AA

achhab wrote:

that's

exactly what happened to me. i am able to eat more than i should.

i don't get a full sensation. for someone who has a problem controlling

what they put in their mouth, as i do and why i had this surgery in the

first place, this is a major problem! i am trying very hard to be

"good" and that is why i have managed to not put on any weight, i just

can't lose. at first, everything was fine and then i hit what i thought

was a plateau. after 2 months, i talked to dr thayer about it and

he ordered the upper gi. i saw for myself on the screen that the

stoma is pretty much the size of the pouch and immediately as the food

enters my stomach it comes right out. if

any of us were able to "diet" i don't think we would have had to have this

surgery. i am so happy that i lost 65lbs. but i have 140 to go.

tomorrow is the 1 year anniversary of my surgery. i really thought

by now i would be down at least 100 lbs. and maybe close to goal. thanks

for listening,mary

RE: my

story...

The exit

on the other end of the pouch. It can stretch in time and allow food to

pass through you more quickly ... LyssaDEAR

LYSSA

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IF THE STOMA STRETCHES

AND THE FOOD PASSES RIGHT THROUGH.

RAYNA

[Guest guest]

hi alice,

sorry to hear that you have been having trouble losing weight too. it's very upsetting when you hear all the big numbers and you aren't losing anything! i keep blaming myself, which doesn't help the "dieting", but i'm starting to hear about more people in the same boat. lyssa was nice enough to give me her appmt slot for wednesday because she won't be able to make it. so i'll be talking to dr thayer then to see if there are any solutions.

were you able to lose all/most of your weight in the beginning and now feel you can eat more. i still have a long way to go... i think it's important for dr. thayer to see that not everyone is sailing through this. i'd love for you to post to the group after you've met with him.

thanks,

mary

RE: my story... The exit on the other end of the pouch. It can stretch in time and allow food to pass through you more quickly ... LyssaDEAR LYSSA WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IF THE STOMA STRETCHES AND THE FOOD PASSES RIGHT THROUGH. RAYNA

[Guest guest]

,

I did find that I lost 80% of my weight in that first 6 months. Although

I’d love to lose another 10#, I’m quite happy with how I look at 153#.

I’m just afraid of it creeping back on, but so far, so good. I can certainly

eat much more now than I could at the beginning, but I think that’s normal.

Still, I get nervous when I can eat an entire sandwich and a small bag

of baked chips for lunch. Some days I can eat a ton, but others I can’t.

So, I’m thinking that this is normal, and maybe nothing’s wrong with my

pouch. I’ll discuss it with the doc and let you all know what he says.

- AA

achhab wrote:

hi alice, sorry

to hear that you have been having trouble losing weight too. it's

very upsetting when you hear all the big numbers and you aren't losing

anything! i keep blaming myself, which doesn't help the "dieting",

but i'm starting to hear about more people in the same boat. lyssa

was nice enough to give me her appmt slot for wednesday because she won't

be able to make it. so i'll be talking to dr thayer then to see if

there are any solutions. were

you able to lose all/most of your weight in the beginning and now feel

you can eat more. i still have a long way to go... i think

it's important for dr. thayer to see that not everyone is sailing through

this. i'd love for you to post to the group after you've met with

him. thanks,mary

RE: my

story...

The exit on the

other end of the pouch. It can stretch in time and allow food to pass through

you more quickly ... LyssaDEAR

LYSSA

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IF THE STOMA STRETCHES

AND THE FOOD PASSES RIGHT THROUGH.

RAYNA

[Guest guest]

alice,

that does sound like the norm and i was prepared for the fact that as time goes on you are able to eat more. i just had/have so much weight to lose that i still have a long way to go and i'm getting no where right now. this surgery was my last resort and hope. i'm not ready to give up, but i'm just feeling a little lost.

thanks for listening,

mary

RE: my story...The exit on the other end of the pouch. It can stretch in time and allow food to pass through you more quickly ... LyssaDEAR LYSSA WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IF THE STOMA STRETCHES AND THE FOOD PASSES RIGHT THROUGH. RAYNA

[Guest guest]

Stuff happens.

I will share about years 3-5 for me. I started grazing innocently on fat free pretzels. Over a few months it wasn't long before I was going through a large bag every 2 days. then the sugar snuck back in. Just a taste mind you but over a period of time my dumping grew milder cuz of the tolerance build up. Then the cabinet cruising really started and I was back to the old habits I had before surgery. Guess what. Those that forget the past are doomed to repeat it. I almost did. I regained 64lbs over that 2 years. I denied the scale, was eating anything I wanted without question, in a lesser amount at one sitting which is why I did not gain all of the weight back. I was scared, embarrassed and sure I was gonna fail the surgery. I finally gave up fighting the food. I could not do it. I went back to exercise. I stopped grazing, my meals have a beginning and an end. I gave up soda, an old binge food for me. Then I decided I needed to try something new. I decided to give up carbs. I found that when I ate cereal or bagels or toast for breakfast the cravings came in all day and by 2:30 I could eat the walls. As soon as I stopped the starches the cravings went away. I started eating 6 times a day to get enough in and to give myself permission to have a snack. So, to finally finish the turn around I devised a simple way of living daily:

1. Eat 6 times a day

2. Drink 80+ounces of water daily

3. Eat protein first then veggies

4. do not drink with meals

5. do not drink carbonated beverages

6. exercise

7 take all supplements

When I started doing this the weight came off plus more.

I am now at the lowest weight I have ever been. I am at the smallest size.

So, assuming there is nothing medically wrong, I have never been scoped, I have to take responsibility for what I am doing. I had to stop blaming my surgery, (Gee, I am only 50 cms bypassed, why wasn't I 120 cms bypassed like others), and my usual " it's his fault, he brings in the junk food " .

Again I stress, I am assuming I have nothing medically wrong. I do believe I " stretched " my pouch a bit but that's the same thing as " stretching " the stomach when we overeat. No such thing, the stomach doesn't stretch, it only inflates and when emptied out it seems like it was stretched because you feel hungrier. this is why I don't drink soda.

Anyway, JMHE.

Ritahttp://ossg-nyc-metro.org/Profiles/Rita2/index.html5'8 " Open RNY 3/31/94 463 lbs BMI 73As of 1/23/01 195 lbs BMI 29 (-268 lbs)Dr. Laurie SpauldingFletcher Health CareBurlington, Vermont*********People will forget what you said,People will forget what you did, But,People will never forget how you made them feel.~~~~~~~~~~~~~I have gone from NOT fitting into Lane to NOT fitting into Lane

Re: my story...

alice,

that does sound like the norm and i was prepared for the fact that as time goes on you are able to eat more. i just had/have so much weight to lose that i still have a long way to go and i'm getting no where right now. this surgery was my last resort and hope. i'm not ready to give up, but i'm just feeling a little lost.

thanks for listening,

mary

RE: my story...The exit on the other end of the pouch. It can stretch in time and allow food to pass through you more quickly ... LyssaDEAR LYSSA WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IF THE STOMA STRETCHES AND THE FOOD PASSES RIGHT THROUGH. RAYNA

[Guest guest]

i'm glad you were able to find a way of life that works for you. it sounds like you've got it down. like i said, i knew going in that over time the food intake was going to increase but i'm talking about 4 months here and i'm not talking about gaining weight, i'm just not losing. i am not binge eating like i was before surgery. being a vegetarian, protein is another issue. but i've upped my water intake. i am not trying to blame the surgery. i had this surgery because if i don't lose this weight, i'll die, one way or another. i am not perfect, but i just want people to know that this can happen and has. the so called "stretching" of the stoma is why they do banding. i don't want to make a huge issue of this, but i thought i could get some support here. i think everyone in this group has had a few issues with food and can relate to the viscous cycle that can happen when we feel bad. you think?

RE: my story...The exit on the other end of the pouch. It can stretch in time and allow food to pass through you more quickly ... LyssaDEAR LYSSA WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IF THE STOMA STRETCHES AND THE FOOD PASSES RIGHT THROUGH. RAYNA

[Guest guest]

I agree with you. Mind you I did stress that there is an assumption that there is no medical reason for the weight stagnation or weight gain. I do know several people who needed to get the stoma decreased in size due to stretching. My surgeon said the common thread of all of these was diet soda because the carbonation warms up in the pouch and the gas expands as it warms. Just a thought here.

And BTW, you do have support here. This is why we all are here, to share our experiences and reach out others.

Hugs.

Rita

Re: my story...

i am not trying to blame the surgery. i had this surgery because if i don't lose this weight, i'll die, one way or another. i am not perfect, but i just want people to know that this can happen and has. the so called " stretching " of the stoma is why they do banding. i don't want to make a huge issue of this, but i thought i could get some support here. i think everyone in this group has had a few issues with food and can relate to the viscous cycle that can happen when we feel bad. you think?

RE: my story...The exit on the other end of the pouch. It can stretch in time and allow food to pass through you more quickly ... LyssaDEAR LYSSA WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IF THE STOMA STRETCHES AND THE FOOD PASSES RIGHT THROUGH. RAYNA

[Guest guest]

i do drink diet soda and most of my water intake is sparkling water. i was told by the nutritionist that it was ok even though i have heard others say that it's a no no. i just read your story on the website you posted below. i'm very happy for you.

wishing you continued success,

mary

RE: my story...The exit on the other end of the pouch. It can stretch in time and allow food to pass through you more quickly ... LyssaDEAR LYSSA WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IF THE STOMA STRETCHES AND THE FOOD PASSES RIGHT THROUGH. RAYNA

[Guest guest]

do you know how the stoma was decreased in size?

RE: my story...The exit on the other end of the pouch. It can stretch in time and allow food to pass through you more quickly ... LyssaDEAR LYSSA WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IF THE STOMA STRETCHES AND THE FOOD PASSES RIGHT THROUGH. RAYNA

[Guest guest]

,

Hang in there. I'm sure you and Dr. Thayer will come up with a solution.

All hope is certainly not lost!

Hugs,

AA

[Guest guest]

thanks alice.

Re: my story...

> ,

>

> Hang in there. I'm sure you and Dr. Thayer will come up with a solution.

> All hope is certainly not lost!

>

> Hugs,

>

> AA

>

>

[Guest guest]

Rita thank you for your little rules they are a valuable tool and a good reminder to us older post ops who are straying off the path!

Lyssa

[Guest guest]

I just share my experience.

Thanks Lyssa

Rita

RE: my story...

Rita thank you for your little rules they are a valuable tool and a good reminder to us older post ops who are straying off the path!

Lyssa

[Guest guest]

Rita:

Thank you so much for sharing your experiences. I am coming up on my one year anniversary. Like you, I am 5'-8" and right now I weigh 210 lbs (down from 345 at time of surgery).

My biggest fear is that I will go back to the old eating habits and, as time goes by and more types and quantity of foods can be tolerated, the weight will return. I read with interest your 7 daily steps and except for the water, I pretty much follow them. I get about 60 oz. per day, but that's seems to be the most I can do.

I still eat 6 times a day (if hungry, if not, I skip a snack) and exercise faithfully. Still, I am worried sick that the weight will return. After all, it always has in the past. Your experiences prove that yes, the weight can and will return if we get careless, but with some effort on our part, the weight can stay off.

After all, this surgery is only a tool not a miracle cure for obesity, so I guess we should all expect to have to work at keeping at a healthy weight for the rest of our lives.

Thanks again for sharing!!

Lois

[Guest guest]

Lois

Glad I can provide support. I try to share my experiences and hope they can help someone else.

I found that If I don't eat enough I will not do well. So I try to keep my body running smoothly.

Take Care

Ritahttp://ossg-nyc-metro.org/Profiles/Rita2/index.html5'8 " Open RNY 3/31/94 463 lbs BMI 73As of 1/23/01 195 lbs BMI 29 (-268 lbs)Dr. Laurie SpauldingFletcher Health CareBurlington, Vermont*********People will forget what you said,People will forget what you did, But,People will never forget how you made them feel.~~~~~~~~~~~~~I have gone from NOT fitting into Lane to NOT fitting into Lane

Re: my story...Rita: Thank you so much for sharing your experiences. I am coming up on my one year anniversary. Like you, I am 5'-8 " and right now I weigh 210 lbs (down from 345 at time of surgery). My biggest fear is that I will go back to the old eating habits and, as time goes by and more types and quantity of foods can be tolerated, the weight will return. I read with interest your 7 daily steps and except for the water, I pretty much follow them. I get about 60 oz. per day, but that's seems to be the most I can do. I still eat 6 times a day (if hungry, if not, I skip a snack) and exercise faithfully. Still, I am worried sick that the weight will return. After all, it always has in the past. Your experiences prove that yes, the weight can and will return if we get careless, but with some effort on our part, the weight can stay off. After all, this surgery is only a tool not a miracle cure for obesity, so I guess we should all expect to have to work at keeping at a healthy weight for the rest of our lives. Thanks again for sharing!! Lois

[Guest guest]

Rita,

I don't remember if I ever told you this, but you are such a huge inspiration to

me!

Thank you so much for being so honest! I love honesty!

You look GREAT!!!!!!!!!!

Dawn

Original Message:

-----------------

From: howie and rita weisburgh howiew@...

Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 16:06:21 -0400

To: OSSG-NewEngland

Subject: Re: my story...

Lois

Glad I can provide support. I try to share my experiences and hope they can help

someone else.

I found that If I don't eat enough I will not do well. So I try to keep my body

running smoothly.

Take Care

Rita

http://ossg-nyc-metro.org/Profiles/Rita2/index.html

5'8 "

Open RNY 3/31/94 463 lbs BMI 73

As of 1/23/01 195 lbs BMI 29 (-268 lbs)

Dr. Laurie Spaulding

Fletcher Health Care

Burlington, Vermont

*********

People will forget what you said,

People will forget what you did,

But,

People will never forget how you made them feel.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I have gone from NOT fitting into Lane

to NOT fitting into Lane

Re: my story...

Rita:

Thank you so much for sharing your experiences. I am coming up on my one

year anniversary. Like you, I am 5'-8 " and right now I weigh 210 lbs (down

from 345 at time of surgery).

My biggest fear is that I will go back to the old eating habits and, as time

goes by and more types and quantity of foods can be tolerated, the weight

will return. I read with interest your 7 daily steps and except for the

water, I pretty much follow them. I get about 60 oz. per day, but that's

seems to be the most I can do.

I still eat 6 times a day (if hungry, if not, I skip a snack) and exercise

faithfully. Still, I am worried sick that the weight will return. After all,

it always has in the past. Your experiences prove that yes, the weight can

and will return if we get careless, but with some effort on our part, the

weight can stay off.

After all, this surgery is only a tool not a miracle cure for obesity, so I

guess we should all expect to have to work at keeping at a healthy weight for

the rest of our lives.

Thanks again for sharing!!

Lois

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[Guest guest]

Thanks so much dawn. You are to me too. I love reading everyone's posts and getting so much encouragement.

hugs

Ritahttp://ossg-nyc-metro.org/Profiles/Rita2/index.html5'8 " Open RNY 3/31/94 463 lbs BMI 73As of 1/23/01 195 lbs BMI 29 (-268 lbs)Dr. Laurie SpauldingFletcher Health CareBurlington, Vermont*********People will forget what you said,People will forget what you did, But,People will never forget how you made them feel.~~~~~~~~~~~~~I have gone from NOT fitting into Lane to NOT fitting into Lane

RE: Re: my story...Rita, I don't remember if I ever told you this, but you are such a huge inspiration to me! Thank you so much for being so honest! I love honesty! You look GREAT!!!!!!!!!!Dawn

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Rita. I will try to get in more water. I pray for a faster weight loss. You get depressed because of all the people who say they lose sometimes 5 to 6 lbs a week. I don't even get that in a month!

Re: my story...

Hi ,

I feel that I am able to eat more than I should. Or at least get hungry more often than I should. I would love to hear from others who have been successful in their weight loss what they eat during the course of a day. I figure that I must be doing something wrong. But there are times when certain things I can eat more of and certain things I can't. Let's hear from all you successes out there! What do you eat during the day!!!

Marla Seelye