Guest guest Posted November 2, 2003 Report Share Posted November 2, 2003 Hi Mel Thsi won;t help much but Sam went 10 days with a constant temp of 104 back in Novemebr 2001. No cause could be found on testing, it resolved after 10 days. He looked the best he ever had (due I think to no food at all). If I knew then what I know now I wouldn;t have stopped his enzymes, I would have increased the proteases (Pep in our case). My theory was he that he was having a major general detox reaction. Hope he is better VERY soon Take care Mandi in UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2003 Report Share Posted November 2, 2003 > I know it is late on Sunday night and most likely no one is around, but if > there is anybody out there I would appreciate some help. I'm sorry I'm not more help. I feel pretty lame! > - could these high fever possibly be a form of die off? I don't think so. Fever mobilizes the immune system. White blood cells work WAY WAY better with fever. It is a strategy to help fight the illness--- it is the response to the illness. Cool washcloth on forehead or neck will help keep him comfortable. Again sorry I'm not more help. Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2003 Report Share Posted November 2, 2003 Mandi; I was wondering if he was going through a major detox because of the pearls we have been giving him for the last 2 weeks. I would love to feed him more enzymes and other things, but right now he is not keeping anything down. 10 days at 104? that is increadable! I don't think I could survive emotionally... Mel --- In , Mum231ASD@a... wrote: > Hi Mel > Thsi won;t help much but Sam went 10 days with a constant temp of 104 back in > Novemebr 2001. No cause could be found on testing, it resolved after 10 days. > He looked the best he ever had (due I think to no food at all). If I knew > then what I know now I wouldn;t have stopped his enzymes, I would have increased > the proteases (Pep in our case). > > My theory was he that he was having a major general detox reaction. Hope he > is better VERY soon > Take care > Mandi in UK > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2003 Report Share Posted November 2, 2003 Any help is some help. Thanks. Mel > > I know it is late on Sunday night and most likely no one is around, > but if > > there is anybody out there I would appreciate some help. > > I'm sorry I'm not more help. I feel pretty lame! > > > - could these high fever possibly be a form of die off? > > I don't think so. Fever mobilizes the immune system. White > blood cells work WAY WAY better with fever. It is a strategy > to help fight the illness--- it is the response to the illness. > > Cool washcloth on forehead or neck will help keep him > comfortable. > > Again sorry I'm not more help. > > Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2003 Report Share Posted November 2, 2003 Mel, have they attempted a blood culture or fecal culture? High doses of vit C can clear up some kidney infections, don't know about stones, however. BTW, other than a rapid culture, cultures take several days to complete. once ran a fever as her only presenting symptom for five days, but white blood cell count was at 24,000. We gave her antibiotics. She got better, but of course we don't know for sure if it was a viral that she had begun to recover or if she needed the antibiotics. Debi > I know it is late on Sunday night and most likely no one is around, but if > there is anybody out there I would appreciate some help. > Our son has had a very high fever for 2 days (104+). > The doctors ran tests that show nothing specific other than a very high white > cell count (over 15,000) > They say that this suggests there is a bacterial problem, but nothing shows > up on the urine, blood or x-rays. > Although they say something strange shows up as calcium crystals. Which > usually suggests kidney stones. Since he is only 2 years old, this is unlikely, but > they can not explain it. > > They want to give antibiotics even though there is no proof of a bacterial > problem. Since it was late I talked them into waiting until tomorrow morning. > They have given him Tylenol and want us to give it to him every 4 hours. > Since the fever is so high for so long, I can’t argue this. > Questions: > - should I allow the use of antibiotics? > - any ideas as to what would cause the calcium crystals? > - could the recent daily use of “pearls†lead to a bacterial problem? > - is it possible that the pearls are made from calcium that would should up > as crystals in the urine? > - could these high fever possibly be a form of die off? > > Any suggestions help or idea are greatly appreciated. > > Thanks. > > Mel Lindstrom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 No definitive answers, just comments. Below are links to three sites -- one on Urinary Tract Infections and two on fevers and hyperthermia. It is worth reading Dr. ' entire article on Autism and Fever Suppression, and the other article is good for understanding fever and the immune system. I usually let fevers run and covered up with blankets to induce sweating. I always thought they should sweat it out, and once the fever broke, I knew they were on the mend. But, I never took temperatures, and don't know how high anything went. My son who had the highest fevers seems to be my healthiest. My son with bowel disease is unable to mount a productive fever, which makes me wonder why that is... Was your son's throat looked at? My niece's baby kept having pseudomonas infections in the throat. High price antibiotics for that one. What are the pearls you're talking about? The typed word is garbled in the message. Is it possible it is releasing infection, and the immune system wants to deal with it through fever? It used to be uncommon for kids to get UTIs, but now seems more common. My son has already had kidney stones, as have some young kids I'm aware of. My son's urine shows oxalate particles (or something). My elderly mother (with dementia) often has UTIs where nothing shows on urinalysis, but antibiotics fix it. Also, as Marti said, can be bowel-related. My son has bowel disease, and running fevers is common. Usually accompanies bellyache. There usually are obvious bowel symptoms, - though not always. Some kids with bowel disease will ping-pong between very high and very low fevers. Is there any abdominal tenderness? Anywhere? Could be belly button area, or area of appendix, or even the back. High WBC count can sometimes be indicative of " autoimmune " disease. If they do any more blood work, they might want to check SED rate (indicates inflammation). You can also have inflammation in the urinary tract as part of autoimmune syndromes. Hope all is well soon. Take the antibiotics. IMO. Urinary Tract Infections: http://www.medhelp.org/HealthTopics/UTI.html Fevers and Immune System: http://www.oup.com/pdf/019508103X_09.pdf Dr. Fever Suppression and Autism: http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2431/3/9/abstract -- In , skelvin@a... wrote: > I know it is late on Sunday night and most likely no one is around, but if there is anybody out there I would appreciate some help. > Our son has had a very high fever for 2 days (104+). > The doctors ran tests that show nothing specific other than a very high white cell count (over 15,000) > They say that this suggests there is a bacterial problem, but nothing shows up on the urine, blood or x-rays. Although they say something strange shows up as calcium crystals. Which usually suggests kidney stones. Since he is only 2 years old, this is unlikely, but they can not explain it. > > They want to give antibiotics even though there is no proof of a bacterial problem. Since it was late I talked them into waiting until tomorrow morning. They have given him Tylenol and want us to give it to him every 4 hours. Since the fever is so high for so long, I can't argue this. > Questions: > - should I allow the use of antibiotics? > - any ideas as to what would cause the calcium crystals? > - could the recent daily use of “pearls†lead to a bacterial problem? > - is it possible that the pearls are made from calcium that would should up as crystals in the urine? > - could these high fever possibly be a form of die off? > > Any suggestions help or idea are greatly appreciated. > > Thanks. > > Mel Lindstrom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 Mel, I had the same experience as Mandi, my son went 9 days with high fever last spring. The docs guessed flu, but I think it was detox. Even the docs said flu doesn't usually cause fever for that long. Can you get any clear fluids into him? Nell > Hi Mel > Thsi won;t help much but Sam went 10 days with a constant temp of 104 back in > Novemebr 2001. No cause could be found on testing, it resolved after 10 days. > He looked the best he ever had (due I think to no food at all). If I knew > then what I know now I wouldn;t have stopped his enzymes, I would have increased > the proteases (Pep in our case). > > My theory was he that he was having a major general detox reaction. Hope he > is better VERY soon > Take care > Mandi in UK > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 And I just remembered I put n in a lukewarm bath, it brought his fever down at least as well as meds. Nell > OOh just remebered, damp socks reported helps calm temp, redampen as soon as > it dries out and put them back on. Sam wouldn;t take ibuprofen, spat it at me, > tried some paracetamol suppostories - didn;t work > Mandi > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been remov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 Hello Mel, You have been around long enough to know you should use Motrin instead of Tylenol-- I remember several time in the last year or so parents saying the this kind of fever thing has turned out to be a good thing and I just found a paper from the group abmd message #25662 a medical review- Heat-killed Bacteria's role in inducing an innate Immune response and its possible link to autism by Carlton and Brauninger( I think there will be a thread that was all about fevers seem to be a turning point for the better for our kids- you do need to keep fluids in the and control the fever if it gets above 104 and bacis take care of there every need) We all know how hard these decissions are- what does your gut stay? my personal beleave is the Tylenol is worse than the antibiotics. I am sorry I can't send you info why Tylenol is so bad but I cant find anything right now - I have talked to at least one parent in the last few month that said that there daughter was doing really well when on a antibiotic that we suggest she take the child back in to see the doctor so the doctor could see the improvement- because if a regression happen she might consider a longer trial of the antibiotic I am sorry I don't know the end to that story- the mom did do that-- but did not email me back on what happened... well keep us posted. My 2 cents Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 > Other syptoms are a dry couch, but not as bad as croup. > Does not keep anything down. Even water. > No bowels movement at all inthe last 2 days. > Very little urination at all. > Runny nose, typical signs of a cold. Which he may have. But doc > says fever would not be this high, neither would white cell count. > Urine shows no bacterial or viral infection. But does show the > strange calcium crystals. > > Mel I would definitely watch out for signs of dehydration. I've heard motrin might be better than tylenol because tylenol is hard on the sulfation system. I personally have also found motrin to be more effective for lowering fever than tylenol. However, you should ask your doctor in case there's some particular reason not to use motrin in this situation. My younger son has also had a few occasions in which he ran a fever of 104 with no apparent cause but it never lasted more than a day. My guess is that he has some sort of chronic viral issue or was having a detox reaction but I don't know for sure. Regarding the calcium crystals, when my older boy was 5, he had calcium oxalate crystals show up on a urinalysis that was done when he was NOT sick. I never got an explanation of what it meant, but the doctor didn't seem worried. He's never had kidney stones as far as I know. In an earlier post, you mentioned one of the things your son was taking was colostrum, and you also mentioned he's had a runny nose for 2 months. I don't know much about colostrum---could it contain any milk protein, and does your son have problems with casein? My son had lots of congestion while on milk products. Just a guess. I don't know if that helps or not. I hope your son is better soon! Let us know how he does. Kat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 sounds like he got ahold of a food that he couldn't tolerate. my son does this if he gets ahold of wheat Re: [ ] Urgent questions Hi Mel Thsi won;t help much but Sam went 10 days with a constant temp of 104 back in Novemebr 2001. No cause could be found on testing, it resolved after 10 days. He looked the best he ever had (due I think to no food at all). If I knew then what I know now I wouldn;t have stopped his enzymes, I would have increased the proteases (Pep in our case). My theory was he that he was having a major general detox reaction. Hope he is better VERY soon Take care Mandi in UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 are you supplimenting with high amounts of cal?>? [ ] Urgent questions I know it is late on Sunday night and most likely no one is around, but if there is anybody out there I would appreciate some help. Our son has had a very high fever for 2 days (104+). The doctors ran tests that show nothing specific other than a very high white cell count (over 15,000) They say that this suggests there is a bacterial problem, but nothing shows up on the urine, blood or x-rays. Although they say something strange shows up as calcium crystals. Which usually suggests kidney stones. Since he is only 2 years old, this is unlikely, but they can not explain it. They want to give antibiotics even though there is no proof of a bacterial problem. Since it was late I talked them into waiting until tomorrow morning. They have given him Tylenol and want us to give it to him every 4 hours. Since the fever is so high for so long, I can’t argue this. Questions: - should I allow the use of antibiotics? - any ideas as to what would cause the calcium crystals? - could the recent daily use of “pearls†lead to a bacterial problem? - is it possible that the pearls are made from calcium that would should up as crystals in the urine? - could these high fever possibly be a form of die off? Any suggestions help or idea are greatly appreciated. Thanks. Mel Lindstrom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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