Re: Questions about Chelation

[Guest guest]

Hi

> If I know she does not have any lead (she had a blood test) do I have

> to use DMSA?

>>>No. But then my son showed 'normal' levels of Lead on a blood test, high

on hair and has consistently shown it being excreted on urine and stool testing

druing chelation with DMSA/ALA

> Can I just use ALA by itself instead?

>>>Yes, many do. Dana's family springs to mind www.danasview.net

> I read on the FAQ's page that ALA can drive copper levels higher and

> do not use ALA if the child has a copper excretion problem - so I

> should have a hair analysis before we begin?

>>> If you can afford it, I would. Elemental Hair test from DDI would be best

and then you can use it for the counting rules also

If the hair analysis

> shows a copper excretion problem then how do you get mercury out of

> the brain?

>>>You get the copper down first and then use the ALA. Zinc and Molybedum

supps will help bring the copper down

HTH

Mandi in Uk

Mum to Sam 14.1.97, Dx 47XYY, Autism, Heavy Metal Toxicity

[Guest guest]

--- In , " Becky " <beccaboo722@y...>

wrote:

> Can I just use ALA by itself instead?

I use only ALA.

> I read on the FAQ's page that ALA can drive copper levels higher and

> do not use ALA if the child has a copper excretion problem - so I

> should have a hair analysis before we begin? If the hair analysis

> shows a copper excretion problem then how do you get mercury out of

> the brain?

I give zinc along with the ALA, to keep the copper down.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> I'm still preparing to chelate my daughter but I have some more

> questions before I begin.

>

> If I know she does not have any lead (she had a blood test) do I have

> to use DMSA?

sorry, but a blood test shows current exposure, not accumulation.

> Can I just use ALA by itself instead?

yes, it is fine to use just ALA.

> I read on the FAQ's page that ALA can drive copper levels higher and

> do not use ALA if the child has a copper excretion problem - so I

> should have a hair analysis before we begin? If the hair analysis

> shows a copper excretion problem then how do you get mercury out of

> the brain?

This is only an issue if the copper is really high, which is

uncommon (but important for the cases where it is). In that

case (that is, if both copper and mercury appear to be problems)

then you would first lower the copper. You could use DMSA/DMPS

at that point if you want. Then after reducing copper, use ALA.

Also some people have high copper AND NOT mercury. Use of

ALA/DMPS/DMSA will not help--- but lowering the copper (e.g.

with zinc) will probably help significantly.

good wishes,

Moria

[Guest guest]

My son's Copper levels were sky high based on the DDI hair elements test.

How do you know (how can you tell?)that you've got the levels of Copper down

so that you can begin Chelation? Thanks, KIM

Re: [ ] Questions about Chelation

> Hi

>

> > If I know she does not have any lead (she had a blood test) do I have

> > to use DMSA?

>

> >>>No. But then my son showed 'normal' levels of Lead on a blood test,

high

> on hair and has consistently shown it being excreted on urine and stool

testing

> druing chelation with DMSA/ALA

>

> > Can I just use ALA by itself instead?

>

> >>>Yes, many do. Dana's family springs to mind www.danasview.net

>

> > I read on the FAQ's page that ALA can drive copper levels higher and

> > do not use ALA if the child has a copper excretion problem - so I

> > should have a hair analysis before we begin?

>

> >>> If you can afford it, I would. Elemental Hair test from DDI would be

best

> and then you can use it for the counting rules also

>

> If the hair analysis

> > shows a copper excretion problem then how do you get mercury out of

> > the brain?

>

> >>>You get the copper down first and then use the ALA. Zinc and Molybedum

> supps will help bring the copper down

>

> HTH

> Mandi in Uk

> Mum to Sam 14.1.97, Dx 47XYY, Autism, Heavy Metal Toxicity

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> My son's Copper levels were sky high based on the DDI hair elements

test.

> How do you know (how can you tell?)that you've got the levels of

Copper down

> so that you can begin Chelation? Thanks, KIM

Hi Kim,

The only way I know of to know would be to hair test again.

I'd wait a few months or longer--- hair grows slowly---

and I'm not sure how long it takes to lower copper, but

I don't think it is terribly quick. If it is not a big

financial strain, you might just plan to do a hair test

every 4 or 4 months for a year or two --- or something

along those lines. Are you seeing

improvements from your efforts to detox the copper?

best,

Moria

[Guest guest]

What would I see behavior -wise? I'm trying to find Apple Pectin in a

powder, liquid or capsule form since he's 3 y.o.a. and I have to mix

everything in juice. I'm giving Vit. C four times/day and Brain Child II

Minerals, one teaspoon 3 X per day (but stopped the Vitamins b/c of

increased hyperness). I give two Pro-EFA per day and 10,000 IU Vit. A

(Retinyl Palmitate) per day. I give Culturelle and GSE when I think he

needs it and I give all three Houston Enzymes with every meal and snack.

I'm going to very slowly start the vitamin portion of Brainchild in a week

or two and keep it at a low dose. Anything else I should add? I will re-so

the hair test like you suggest. Plus, we're in a rental built in 1982 so I

want to wait until we move into our new house b/4 I start chelation (about

6-8 weeks) in case he's exposed to something here. Oh, I just got the

Ojibwa tea I'd like to try and I have Milk Thistle I'm waiting to introduce

too. Thanks for being there to help. I truly appreciate it! KIM

[ ] Re: Questions about Chelation

>

> > My son's Copper levels were sky high based on the DDI hair elements

> test.

> > How do you know (how can you tell?)that you've got the levels of

> Copper down

> > so that you can begin Chelation? Thanks, KIM

>

>

> Hi Kim,

>

> The only way I know of to know would be to hair test again.

> I'd wait a few months or longer--- hair grows slowly---

> and I'm not sure how long it takes to lower copper, but

> I don't think it is terribly quick. If it is not a big

> financial strain, you might just plan to do a hair test

> every 4 or 4 months for a year or two --- or something

> along those lines. Are you seeing

> improvements from your efforts to detox the copper?

>

> best,

> Moria

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

> I'm going to very slowly start the vitamin portion of Brainchild in

a week

> or two and keep it at a low dose.

Make sure these vitamins don't contain lipoic acid (alpha lipoic acid,

ALA). If they do they are not suitable for use on toxic children.

Andy . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . .

[Guest guest]

Thanks Andy. No, I checked. The Spectrum II doesn't have ALA, but thanks

for looking out for my little fellow. I really appreciate it. KIM

[ ] Re: Questions about Chelation

> > I'm going to very slowly start the vitamin portion of Brainchild in

> a week

> > or two and keep it at a low dose.

>

> Make sure these vitamins don't contain lipoic acid (alpha lipoic acid,

> ALA). If they do they are not suitable for use on toxic children.

>

> Andy . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . .

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

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Make sure these vitamins don't contain lipoic acid (alpha lipoic

acid,

ALA). If they do they are not suitable for use on toxic children

>>Curious why you would say this. My daughter has been on a low dose

3 times a day of the Brainchild Grad formula(with ALA) for a few

months now and is doing brilliantly. It is the best supplement she

has ever had other than Houston's enzymes. Her teachers are amazed at

the improvements she has made over the summer including physical ones

like weight gain and hair thickening. The ALA amount is extremely low.

--

In , " andrewhallcutler "

<AndyCutler@a...> wrote:

> > I'm going to very slowly start the vitamin portion of Brainchild

in

> a week

> > or two and keep it at a low dose.

>

> Make sure these vitamins don't contain lipoic acid (alpha lipoic

acid,

> ALA). If they do they are not suitable for use on toxic children.

>

> Andy . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . .

[Guest guest]

The amount of ALA is not extremely low, it is extremely large.

You are chelating her on the 8 hour protocol.

While it is true some people are " tough enough " to take it and get

better, proper chelation usually works better.

Besides, if she was constipated, would you beat the crap out of her to

correct it? That is in essence what you are doing with the mercury by

giving her large amounts of ALA 3 times a day.

Andy. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

> -

> Make sure these vitamins don't contain lipoic acid (alpha lipoic

> acid,

> ALA). If they do they are not suitable for use on toxic children

>

> >>Curious why you would say this. My daughter has been on a low dose

> 3 times a day of the Brainchild Grad formula(with ALA) for a few

> months now and is doing brilliantly. It is the best supplement she

> has ever had other than Houston's enzymes. Her teachers are amazed

at

> the improvements she has made over the summer including physical

ones

> like weight gain and hair thickening. The ALA amount is extremely

low.

>

> --

> In , " andrewhallcutler "

> <AndyCutler@a...> wrote:

> > > I'm going to very slowly start the vitamin portion of Brainchild

> in

> > a week

> > > or two and keep it at a low dose.

> >

> > Make sure these vitamins don't contain lipoic acid (alpha lipoic

> acid,

> > ALA). If they do they are not suitable for use on toxic children.

> >

> > Andy . . . . .. . . . . . . . . .

[Guest guest]

According to your dose recommendations my daughter would need aprox

25 mg of ALA every 3 hours for chelation. Brainchild has 20 mg per oz

and she only gets 1/4 tsp of the vitamins 3 times a day. I do not

think this is an " extremely large " dose. As for the " beating the

crap out of her " crack that was quite uncalled for. If you do not

like the Brainchild vitamins that is fine, but I have spoked to

and Terri at length and find them well informed and helpful.

As I said before my daughter is thriving. Obviously posting my

question here was a mistake.

-

-- In , " andrewhallcutler "

<AndyCutler@a...> wrote:

> The amount of ALA is not extremely low, it is extremely large.

>

> You are chelating her on the 8 hour protocol.

>

> While it is true some people are " tough enough " to take it and get

> better, proper chelation usually works better.

>

> Besides, if she was constipated, would you beat the crap out of her

to

> correct it? That is in essence what you are doing with the mercury

by

> giving her large amounts of ALA 3 times a day.

>

> Andy. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

> > -

> > Make sure these vitamins don't contain lipoic acid (alpha lipoic

> > acid,

> > ALA). If they do they are not suitable for use on toxic children

> >

> > >>Curious why you would say this. My daughter has been on a low

dose

> > 3 times a day of the Brainchild Grad formula(with ALA) for a few

> > months now and is doing brilliantly. It is the best supplement

she

> > has ever had other than Houston's enzymes. Her teachers are

amazed

> at

> > the improvements she has made over the summer including physical

> ones

> > like weight gain and hair thickening. The ALA amount is extremely

> low.

> >

> >

--

> > In , " andrewhallcutler "

> > <AndyCutler@a...> wrote:

> > > > I'm going to very slowly start the vitamin portion of

Brainchild

> > in

> > > a week

> > > > or two and keep it at a low dose.

> > >

> > > Make sure these vitamins don't contain lipoic acid (alpha

lipoic

> > acid,

> > > ALA). If they do they are not suitable for use on toxic

children.

> > >

> > > Andy . . . . .. . . . . . . . . .

[Guest guest]

How much does she weigh? Generally tolerance is 1/4 to 1/8 mg per

pound. Not that many people are comfortable even at 1/2.

The " beating the crap " out of her crack is a correct technical

description of your chelation protocol, used precisely because it is

also very attention getting. It is NOT solely inflammatory. I often

use inflammabory examples because my experience has been that parents

will (quite amazingly) ignore vast quantities of rational argument,

proceed to hurt their kid A LOT by doing something that has been

pitched to them using glib salesmanship, and then come looking for

what to do when it is very hard to fix. If I am really inflammatory

it seems to actually get the parent's attention so they think about

what I am saying up front and don't hurt their children unnecessarily.

I would much prefer the calm and dispassionate approach but it has

repeatedly demonstrated its ineffectiveness.

I also have some sympathy for these children so I really really REALLY

don't like the " what do I do now " stuff because the kid got hurt a lot

and I feel for them. I much prefer avoiding that, which does seem to

require causing the parents some emotional distress. If I knew how to

do it differently, I would.

The inappropriate and harmful chelation protocols that use

inadequately frequent dosing hit the children's insides with a big

wave of chelator that knocks a bunch of mercury loose and then isn't

there to grab onto it, so the mercury bounces around and a lot of it

finds someplace else to settle down and do more damage instead of

being excreted.

Andy . .. . . . . .. . . . . . .

> According to your dose recommendations my daughter would need aprox

> 25 mg of ALA every 3 hours for chelation. Brainchild has 20 mg per

oz

> and she only gets 1/4 tsp of the vitamins 3 times a day. I do not

> think this is an " extremely large " dose. As for the " beating the

> crap out of her " crack that was quite uncalled for. If you do not

> like the Brainchild vitamins that is fine, but I have spoked to

> and Terri at length and find them well informed and helpful.

> As I said before my daughter is thriving. Obviously posting my

> question here was a mistake.

>

-

> -- In , " andrewhallcutler "

> <AndyCutler@a...> wrote:

> > The amount of ALA is not extremely low, it is extremely large.

> >

> > You are chelating her on the 8 hour protocol.

> >

> > While it is true some people are " tough enough " to take it and get

> > better, proper chelation usually works better.

> >

> > Besides, if she was constipated, would you beat the crap out of

her

> to

> > correct it? That is in essence what you are doing with the mercury

> by

> > giving her large amounts of ALA 3 times a day.

> >

> > Andy. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

> > > -

> > > Make sure these vitamins don't contain lipoic acid (alpha lipoic

> > > acid,

> > > ALA). If they do they are not suitable for use on toxic children

> > >

> > > >>Curious why you would say this. My daughter has been on a low

> dose

> > > 3 times a day of the Brainchild Grad formula(with ALA) for a few

> > > months now and is doing brilliantly. It is the best supplement

> she

> > > has ever had other than Houston's enzymes. Her teachers are

> amazed

> > at

> > > the improvements she has made over the summer including physical

> > ones

> > > like weight gain and hair thickening. The ALA amount is

extremely

> > low.

> > >

> > >

> --

> > > In , " andrewhallcutler "

> > > <AndyCutler@a...> wrote:

> > > > > I'm going to very slowly start the vitamin portion of

> Brainchild

> > > in

> > > > a week

> > > > > or two and keep it at a low dose.

> > > >

> > > > Make sure these vitamins don't contain lipoic acid (alpha

> lipoic

> > > acid,

> > > > ALA). If they do they are not suitable for use on toxic

> children.

> > > >

> > > > Andy . .

[Guest guest]

A cup of green peas contains 7 mg of ALA.

A cup of broccoli contains 4 mg of ALA.

Each dose of vitamins is giving her daughter contains less than 1

mg of ALA.

That's really all I have to say.

Terri at Brainchild

terri@...

[Guest guest]

> A cup of green peas contains 7 mg of ALA.

> A cup of broccoli contains 4 mg of ALA.

Gee, can you provide references for this since every source I looked

in was way way different than this? And pork heart was stated to have

the highest alpha lipoic acid content, at 1.6 mg/kg?

> Each dose of vitamins is giving her daughter contains less

than 1

> mg of ALA.

>

> That's really all I have to say.

>

> Terri at Brainchild

> terri@b...

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been remov

[Guest guest]

> Each dose of vitamins is giving her daughter contains less

than 1

> mg of ALA.

If she said enough to calculate a dose I missed it.

The labeled ingredients of SS 3 are 25 mg ALA in a 1 ounce serving,

which is the recommended amount for a 50# kid in a day.

This is wildly too much to be safe on any other than a chelation

administration schedule.

I've had (highly toxic) adults that were having severe side effects at

5 and 10 mg doses. ALA is NOT benign in toxic people, and the amount

that is insignificant is very low. . . . .. . . . . . .

Andy . . . .. . . . . . .

[Guest guest]

andrewhallcutler wrote:

> How much does she weigh? Generally tolerance is 1/4 to 1/8 mg per

> pound. Not that many people are comfortable even at 1/2.

So, for a 60 pound child the dose would be 7-15 mg? How much DMSA per pound?

What if you are doing both?

>

>

> The " beating the crap " out of her crack is a correct technical

> description of your chelation protocol, used precisely because it is

> also very attention getting. It is NOT solely inflammatory. I often

> use inflammabory examples because my experience has been that parents

> will (quite amazingly) ignore vast quantities of rational argument,

> proceed to hurt their kid A LOT by doing something that has been

> pitched to them using glib salesmanship, and then come looking for

> what to do when it is very hard to fix. If I am really inflammatory

> it seems to actually get the parent's attention so they think about

> what I am saying up front and don't hurt their children unnecessarily.

> I would much prefer the calm and dispassionate approach but it has

> repeatedly demonstrated its ineffectiveness.

And if this is what it takes to get parents attention, then go for it.

This is why I am continually trying to do my own research. We haven't seen bad

results with DMSA, but I do think the

dose that our Doctor had our son on is too high. It seemed like Chelation was

helping him, but he was also getting

worn out in the process. We have taken a break for a while but want to get

started again soon. I'd like to try some

of the lower doses that you suggest and see what happens.

>

>

> I also have some sympathy for these children so I really really REALLY

> don't like the " what do I do now " stuff because the kid got hurt a lot

> and I feel for them. I much prefer avoiding that, which does seem to

> require causing the parents some emotional distress. If I knew how to

> do it differently, I would.

>

> The inappropriate and harmful chelation protocols that use

> inadequately frequent dosing hit the children's insides with a big

> wave of chelator that knocks a bunch of mercury loose and then isn't

> there to grab onto it, so the mercury bounces around and a lot of it

> finds someplace else to settle down and do more damage instead of

> being excreted.

>

> Andy . .. . . . . .. . . . . . .

Thanks for your help

[Guest guest]

Start by reading the FAQs of this list. I presume your child has NO mercury

amalgam dental fillings? When were his most recent vaccines?

S S

questions about chealtion

Posted by: " Farooq Bari " farooq_bari@... farooq_bari

Thu Sep 3, 2009 10:14 am (PDT)

i want to start Chelation for my three old son with autism, but do not have

idea how to do it start itand where to go? Can some one give me suggestions and

information about it?

Thanks

uzma

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